[01:06] Hello, I was in here some other night and talking about a browser redirecter that malwarebytes and spybot could mot pick up on scans. [01:06] Someone mentioned some other utility that picked up things that those two didn't. [01:07] But I forgot the name of the utility. Any sugestions or ideas? [01:08] Anyone here?? (echo, echo, echo) [01:08] * holstein is here uberbuntu [01:08] I am all alone, alone, alone [01:08] you have a moment for me to read your question? [01:08] Sounds more fitting for ##windows , but SuperAntiSpyware isn't bad [01:09] yeah, i think thats what it was [01:09] holstein: was it you with the suggestin Saturday? [01:09] That may be it [01:09] nope [01:10] i dont have any suggestions for windows that you want to hear ;) [01:10] Yeh I think htere was a word 'super' in the name [01:11] uberbuntu: do you remember exactly when it was? [01:11] this channel is logged [01:11] We, hey hey, some other hard core linuxe guy were telling me that there is a place for windows after I was saying that it was only good for the circular bin. [01:12] When It was ,Saturday between 8-10 pm [01:12] holstein: You keep logs? [01:12] Oh you said that [01:12] uberbuntu: this channel is logged officially [01:12] What was your name? [01:13] My name or nick was the same [01:13] Nope, it was Ooberbuntu [01:13] Anything with the name 'Super' in it make me nervous. [01:14] If you have to say its 'Super' then ,,,,,, [01:14] Oberubuntu [01:15] something like that was your nick [01:15] Yeh extra o may have been what I used [01:15] uberbuntu: do me a favor.. when you re-join the channel.. state your question, then wait... wait at least 20 minutes before assuming the channel is dead [01:15] * holstein thanks you in advance :) [01:16] Ok [01:16] 20:34 < Ooberbuntu> Interestig that Malwarebytes nor Spybot Serch and destroy would pick anything up.\ [01:16] 20:34 < Ooberbuntu> So I am goin gto have to dig deeper. [01:16] 20:35 < iceflatline> Another I use is Superantispyware [01:17] * Unit193 had to wait 3 days for an answer once [01:17] yeah, i joined #ubuntustudio and just stayed around to answer ;) [01:20] 3 days? Holly cow. You stayed logged into the chat the whole time? [01:21] I've been logged for 8 days now (And that is very little) [01:21] You should bottle yoru patience and sell it. A lot of people need it. Could make a fortune. You have way too much. [01:21] VERY little [01:21] I really don't have all that much [01:22] Well I have kept my windows maching booted up for almost 8 monthes at a time but I don't have the patience to wait for an answer for three days. I'd give up. [01:22] im working on 70 days :) [01:23] this channel is active.. and #ubuntu is quite active [01:23] some of the smaller channels though, you have to wait 24hours [01:24] I sadly have computer problems on the computer running this session. Sometimes you just have to wait for the one person that knows [01:24] Just when i get my windows all customized the way I want it I start thinking about going all or mostly linux for most of my work. [01:24] Makes me feel like I wasted all that time customizing. [01:24] i got my windows all customized the way i like it ;0 [01:25] "This session"? How many chat sessions you have open? [01:25] Or on haw many machines? [01:25] channels? [01:26] i have this chat running on my server, and im connecting with another machine [01:26] lots of folk do it that way [01:27] i like to stay in some of the slower channels around the clock, and try to at least respond to everyone [01:27] Unit193 was who mentioned, "This session" [01:28] holstein: Do you even have a windows macine? [01:28] I feel some real animosity between you and Bill [01:28] nah [01:28] Did you get into a fist fight with him at one time? [01:28] its just not for me [01:28] everyone should do what works for them [01:29] Yeh like you still can't fun your adobe cs4 on Linux . [01:29] i just get a little frustrated with the 'my windows machine is broken' folks.. when theres nothing wrong with the computer [01:29] its just spyware or whatever [01:29] and some other things so it makes it almost necessary for some of us to keep one around [01:29] and they get another machine... and they dont say 'maybe i should try something else' [01:29] even a mac... [01:30] i mean, theres nothing wrong with windows if you maintain it... but if you dont/cant, get something else [01:30] i can do task that are done with adobe cs4 on linux though [01:31] anyways.. im really not hating on windows [01:31] Well there are plenty of people that cant maintain anything, a car, whatever it is [01:31] uberbuntu: Screen session, I have around ~30 channels [01:31] They are just too lazy to learn and read anything and when they surf the web they only look at the picture and icons [01:32] Those are the ones that screw up their new machines in days. [01:32] sure, and we could argue, is that their fault? should windows be secure out-of-the-box ? [01:32] but... we dont have to [01:35] I had afriend get his teenage kids a new wind desktop the last xmas. I asked why he didn't use it for his business and give them his 3 year old machine. [01:35] He said, too much work switching his files. I don't think he knew how. [01:35] yeah, but he'll firgure it out... [01:36] So I put some security on the thing and parental controlls so they couldn't jsut download anything willy nilly. [01:37] The next time I came over his 10 year old son, who really know nothing about pc except how to play game, was in the command promp enter all kinds of network command that he found searching online. [01:37] Just trying to find a way to download Google Earth [01:37] hehe [01:38] dinnertime... BBL [01:38] Well he screwed up the user loggins somehow and we stil ldon't know what he did. [01:43] Enjoy dinner [01:44] You must be on the west coast [01:59] Still listening to 'Living' only have gotten to the song 'Ride' For some reason my conection stops loading the songe every minutes or so. [02:00] Its good stuff. I just got some new jazz t olisten to from the library last Friday. [02:00] uberbuntu: hehe thanks for checking it out [02:00] * holstein is on the east coast just eating late [02:01] Awesome, same tz just your clock seems a tad fast ;) [02:01] Yo ugot family and crumsnachers? [02:02] not me [02:04] I'v though of setting up a website with a database where musicians and band could post availability, how far they would travel adn such and cities, or other establishments could book them through the portal. [02:05] cool.. there was something like that for a bit... gigamerica? [02:07] Unit193: i just noticed your time query :) [02:07] im not sure whats up with my server [02:07] it was *way* off the other day [02:08] Heh [02:09] holstein: Just curious. Did you start off ni computers some, I don't know, three decades ago o nwindows or did you start rght off cutting your teechon linux? [02:10] nah, im still learning about linux [02:10] im a computer hobbyist really [02:10] This is my keyboard where the spacebar is finicky. Just put the spaces i ntheir apropriet places. [02:11] i found linux about 5-6 years ago? something like that [02:11] it just worked for me [02:11] You never owned a windows machine? [02:11] sure, this is a windows machine.. its got win7 on it somewhere [02:12] i dont think im going to keep it next time i do some maintenance though [02:12] Oh, LOl you jsut never booted to it. [02:12] i thought i would use it to help my folks or whatever [02:12] but, i used XP a lot [02:12] its just been a while [02:12] holstein: Don'e be afraid, Windows won't byte .....too much. [02:12] took me a long time to transition my recording studio over to linux [02:13] when i got that worked out, i just didnt need to go back [02:13] im not a big gamer, and i dont have an special needs like office or adobe [02:13] any* [02:14] I just spent too much time learning Adobe Dreamweaver ,even when it was still Macromedia. SO I will probably keep using it. [02:14] holstein, did you do you do Living with that studio? [02:15] yup :) [02:15] all with FOSS, start to finish [02:15] holstein, cool [02:15] But I have been messing with Linux a little more than a year. [02:16] I am still trying to get my head rapped around the difference in the look and feel of things. [02:16] THough I would get aclimated slowly. Really slowly. [02:17] Linux apps are more of a plain wrapper and I find that, at least while learning it and learning new apps ,you have to read more and not rely on visuals as much. [02:18] Why can't this chat relay have a left border or padding? [02:18] Who designed this? [02:18] Retoricle [02:25] i like the fact that in linux, it can look literally however you want it to [02:25] that is to say, you can even make your own UI if you want, and you dont have to hack anything to do it [02:25] you are encouraged to do it :) [02:26] Tell that to GDM? [02:26] Unit193: lol [02:27] Whos GDM, the Developres? [02:27] I'd have to look that acronym up [02:27] gnome [02:27] !info gdm [02:27] ubot2`: info gdm [02:27] Unit193: gdm (source: gdm): GNOME Display Manager. In component main, is optional. Version 2.30.5-0ubuntu4 (maverick), package size 723 kB, installed size 2304 kB [02:28] Stupid ubot2`.... [02:28] Yo have to work arond the GDM to get it done in other workd? [02:29] .......other words [02:29] holstein: I finaly got to 'Dancer' [02:29] Only took 40 minutes [02:29] :) [02:30] opps it stalled right in the middle. [02:30] you can start there next time :) [02:30] I want my Road Runner Turbo back [02:31] never had a problem donig anything. [02:32] says I have 12Mbps but .....probably the redirector messing things up for me rihgt now. [02:37] I need another hard drive. Got 3 TB and running out fast. [02:45] Any ideas why someone would opt for having an untouched Windows MBR on a Master HDD and Grob installed i nthe MBR on a Slave HDD and ahving to switch 1st bootable in the BIOS whenever you want to boot Windows? [02:46] uberbuntu: somethings can break grub [02:46] i forget what... [02:46] something really common like an office update [02:47] I don't think Windowa can break it. [02:47] right, not widows [02:47] I guess if you have it bootloading everything and it breaks then you have issues to work out huh [02:47] but an update from something in windows [02:47] i forget what though [02:47] can't boot anything and that would make somethings bootable donig it that way [02:48] there were some applications storing data in there [02:48] Apps storing datat i nthe MBR? [02:49] uberbuntu: right [02:49] Not much room to store anythiing in there. [02:49] so, you update a windows application, and boom.. it writes in the MBR, and breakage occurs [02:49] thats probably not why though [02:49] probably just want to keep it seperate [02:49] Well that makes me nervous settin gup a multi boot. [02:49] yeah? [02:50] DOn't want my main system to go down. [02:50] just back up your date, and know how to reinstall grub [02:50] its a computer... dont be nervous ;) [02:50] it *will* break [02:50] guaranteed :) [02:50] all you can do is just plan for i, and relax [02:50] it* [02:51] You mean back up your data or did you mean 'date' [02:51] hehe.. yeah, *data* [02:51] !grub [02:51] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10) [02:52] you can read there about ways to recover grub with a live CD [02:52] you can also install virtual box or VMware, and play around... save the state, break it... fix it [02:52] Oh good, I have about 20 linux distros on live cd's [02:53] time consuming, but you'll learn without breaking you're current setup [02:53] Have other machines to look up info. What am I nervous about? The time to fix things that I want to spend on somethingelse I guess. [02:54] I always want everything perfect. Shoulda learned by now that nothing ever is. [02:55] eh.. perfect is a matter of opinion [02:55] I need to have reckless abandone like my friends 10 yr. old typing anything he could find in to the command promt of a new system. [02:56] LOL [02:56] as long as you have a test case, or another box, go for it :) [02:56] Not knowing what it was that he was typing or what it would do. [02:57] I need to build my new bos that I bought last Feburary with all the parts still sitting in a box all in retail wrappers. [02:58] By the time I get around to building it it will be obsolete. [02:58] hehe, i was going to say... put it together while its still worth something [02:59] I know I had it sitting around for the first 4 weeks deciding wether i needed it and if I was gonig to return it and MicroCenter dropped the price on the MB another $10 [03:03] I jsut wanted to use the HDD I got for it to set up a multi boot. [03:05] you dont *need* multiple drives for multiboot [03:06] No, But my two drives are full and I need more space [03:07] Course I need to switch this hrdware to the new box and the new hrdware goes in here nad I wanted a raid config i nthe new one and hm. to omuch work. [03:07] I have to time. [03:08] Maybe if I take the HD out of my dad's old machine, no its only 60GB [03:08] 60gb's is plenty :) [03:09] I could get maybe 3 ditros on there right? Whats recomended for a linux ditro? 20GB" 4-5GB swap? [03:09] swap depends [03:09] you dont *need* swap [03:09] anyways, it all depends [03:10] Why no swap? [03:10] if you need/want the space [03:11] I think I did read where somwone somehow confied his Window's Virtual Memory to use the smae partition as the swap but had to be FAT32 [03:11] Maybe I'm dreaming [03:12] maybe, i dont think you get a different partition typically in windows, i think its just a part of the filesystem [03:12] im sure you can have linux use whatever though... anyways, you dont have to have swap at all if you want the space [03:12] and you can definitely have the linux's share swap [03:14] How does it work without swap? Less overhead for opening up multiple apps and 50 browser tabs wich I am notorious for doing? [03:14] it just works [03:14] nothing gets swapped [03:15] i mean, if you have like 4gb's of memory anyways [03:15] i did it when i was running on SSD's and SD cards [03:16] It must st up some space for a swap file inside the root dir if you don't specify a partition on install [03:16] it just doesnt use swap [03:16] you have no swap [03:16] I use a sdhc card at times for swap if I. actually using maxing the ram I have the swappness set to 10 though, thta workd better haveing it off the disc. [03:16] i didnt want swap, writing like that to SD or SSD can wear the drive out [03:17] What do you do that yo uneed SSD'd? You don't game. Just to make your server faster? [03:17] it came in the EEE [03:17] and i was running installs off of SD cards on there too [03:18] iEEE? [03:18] eeepc... asus netbook eee900 [03:19] does Asus put them i na lot of their netbooks or just the expensiveones? [03:19] hehe... not sure.. this was not an expensive one though [03:20] it was the slower SSD [03:21] Whats slow for Solid State? 300Gbps or 600? [03:21] 800? [03:21] Probably 1200Gbps [03:21] Thats what we call a slow SSD LOL [03:21] i forget the specs on this one, but it was nothing like that [03:23] Well if o uset up SWAP maybe it doesn't even use it if it doesn't need it? Only when It needs it/ [03:23] yeah, i never hit it anyways [03:23] not on the daily use box [03:24] Thinking I should set it up in case. [03:24] what? [03:24] swap? [03:24] in case what? [03:24] holstein: how much RAM you have on the daily use? [03:24] this EEEpc came with a gb, but i have 2gb's in it now [03:24] I have 2GB o nthis one and the new one, when I build it will start wit h 4GB [03:25] In case I run outa RAM [03:25] im not saying *dont* install swap, im just saying, if you want to reclaim that space, you'll probably never notice its not there [03:25] sharing swap would be the way to go [03:26] I am sure if you run low on RAM Linux won't freeze like Winblows but may slow down, I don't know. I'v only ran linux thus far from live cd's [03:27] Anyone in here interested in an irc tutorial on iptables ? [03:27] I would definately share. Thinking that subsequent linux install may auto see the SWAP file and link to it anyway. [03:27] #fedora-classroom bodhizazen ? [03:27] =) [03:28] * holstein is interested [03:28] i thought i had missed it [03:28] Hey everyone, there is going to be an IPtables class in #fedora-classroom on 2011-09-15 at 2100UTC -- see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom for more info and classes. [03:28] uberbuntu: you'll tell it [03:28] There is a link on that page to an odt document I prepped, the document should help even if you miss the class [03:29] Driect link : http://bodhizazen.net/IPTables.odt [03:30] the class is probably good ifyo have a server. I would forget the info by the time I set one up, who knows when [03:30] I can't even find time to build a new box. [03:30] grab a screwdriver and do it right now :) [03:30] anways... i gotta run.. GN all [03:31] reminds me I need some thermal glue in case I decide to overclock one day [03:31] chow [03:33] uberbuntu, if you want ufer fast, go gentoo [03:33] It took me a month to install and configure gentoo on my netbook , but it is faster then a binary install =) [03:36] Yeh, I read where Gentoo is not a binary based OS. Right? [03:36] Whats better about it and what is it based on? [03:36] Yeah, you build everything from source. [03:36] Including a headache =) [03:37] Since I don't write code yet tell me. Does this mean that in a binary based you are writing 1's and 0's all day bit by bit? [03:37] No, not at all. A binary is a term for a precompiled package you download and install. [03:38] No, in a binary base you install pre-compiled binaries packaged into .deb or .rpm or whatever the package manager uses [03:38] Oh, now , hmmm. Even i nbinary based you can get source code right? [03:38] Yes [03:38] In a source based OS you download the source code (usually C ) and then compile it locally [03:38] And build from it can't you? [03:39] yes, but the source code you get from your package manager is highly patched [03:39] Sure, you can build stuff from source if there isn't a binary available, or if you need some special options. [03:39] in gentoo or LFS less so [03:39] I explained Gentoo to a friend thus: think about your clothes. You can go buy clothes at a department store and be set, but if you made your own clothes, they would fit you perfectly, be exactly what you wanted, and you'd have the satisfaction of saying you made your own clothes. Of course, its a lot harder to make your own clothes, and you're bound to mess up more than a few times. That's how gentoo is. [03:40] Gentoo is like growing your own cotton and sheep from which to build the cloths you want [03:41] So if I got this right, even in binary 'package' based you can write from source only the whole OS is more patched? [03:42] And in essense mor emessy? [03:42] more messy [03:42] Not exactly what you want and yo uhave so write sloppy sode to match mssy patches? [03:43] I think this is a nice page [03:43] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_management_system [03:43] See in particular this pat : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_management_system#Why_mixing_source_installs_and_packages_is_a_bad_idea [03:47] That explains a lot [03:48] Does linus ditros use C# or is that more an MS thing? [03:48] They use C , just a different C compiler [03:48] gcc [03:49] C+? [03:49] Not C# though [03:49] C# is a .NET language which is Microsoft, but you can use C# with something called Mono. [03:49] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compilers [03:50] Linux should do what MS did and dump all old code and start something new like Cb [03:50] or C flat [03:50] maybe C- [03:50] I do not see mono on that list ^^ [03:51] http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page It's an open source implementation of C# [06:04] hey. flash player is giving me no sound in youtube videos? has anyone else seen this error? [06:35] so I can play a flash video but i just cant play a flash video in youtube with any sound... [06:35] darn you flash === Unit193_ is now known as Unit193 === Akos is now known as Puck` [08:40] hi everyone i have just join the ubuntu community and am glad for the good work that the community is doing. [08:40] maryann_: glad to hear and welcome... [08:41] welcome maryann_ :P [08:42] thank you for the warm welcome [08:43] maryann_, hello and ignore the evil organ music in the background. :D [08:48] Currently am working on a community tech project and we are evaluating between using twiki or moimoin for our service, what advice would you give in making the desicion. [08:54] Hello can somebody please help I like to register my PGP key with launchpad but I cant upload it :( [08:54] sry my english isnt that good [08:55] but I try to give my best [09:02] Nartales: you have been following the info provided on launchpad? [09:02] yes [09:02] but I cant sent it to the server [09:03] because there is no option for that in the key and encryption [09:04] I do have my Key and I can sign it and everything [09:04] but I cant sync it [09:04] there is no option for that [09:04] only export into a filde [09:04] file [09:04] Nartales: http://pastebin.com/27t0YXtu ... so you get to the end of this and no luck? [09:05] I cant get to the end [09:06] because there is no remote > Sync and Publish Keys option [09:06] or maybe I cant see it or find it [09:06] but I do see my key [09:07] Nartales: Odd... You are using Ubuntu correct... and you where following the way to make your key as described on the site? [09:08] I did make the key through the terminal because it didnt work through the Password and Encryption Menu [09:08] But now I can see the Key there [09:08] Its rly odd :) [09:09] hi Nartales [09:09] hi coalwater [09:09] what version are u using [09:09] Nartales: sorry, I have no idea... I always have to follow the steps on launchpad to the letter or it doesn't work for me... coalwater will sort you out I am sure :) [09:10] which ubuntu version [09:10] 64bit the newest one sorry dont know the number [09:10] ok then 11.04 [09:10] I guess so I downloaded it yesterday [09:10] u use seahorse right, the keys and stuff interface [09:11] ? [09:11] I use the one that comes with ubuntu [09:12] remote > sync ? [09:12] is now option for that or I dont see one [09:12] on the top [09:12] if u use unity then it's the top panel [09:12] hover up [09:13] to see them [09:13] or hold alt if you cant find them [09:14] ahhh yes [09:14] I found it :) [09:14] I have to get used to all of that first sorry :) [09:14] thx alot [09:15] np [09:16] alot to learn but I rly like it :) [09:21] oh wow... never thought about the menu being hidden >.< [09:26] nlsthzn: u use gnome-classic? [09:27] coalwater: no... but seeing as I use Unity I have become aware that the menu isn't always shown... seeing as this is the default ... so I don't even think about it [09:29] is it possible to always show the menu? [09:37] Nartales yes in the unity plugin in the compiz configuration manager is a always show. [09:41] With GNU/Linux there is always a way :p [09:44] hehe it looks like :) Iam now fighting to get the new thunderbird running :) [10:00] what was the bzr login syntax? [10:00] cause i forgot how to do launchpad login, i tried bzr lp-login and lp-login alone, neither works [10:01] ok, finally figured it out [10:13] hi all [10:27] hi ApOgEE [10:29] Well done apogee [10:34] thanks head_victim_defy [10:34] hi coalwater [10:34] i'm now official [10:34] ;) [10:38] Well done [11:18] So I do have a new problem :) [11:18] I tried do sign the code of conduct but I do get the error that there is no signature [11:19] when I do try open the asc. file [11:19] .asc [11:30] niemand eine Idee :) [11:35] hey Nartales [11:36] did u figure it out yet [11:38] no : ( [11:39] I did try it with gpa agent but it didnt work [13:50] Hi guys! [13:50] I got a nooby question :p [13:51] I'm trying to put a script into usr/sbin/ but I don't have permission [13:53] I've looked for how to get root access, but they all seem to recommend sudo [13:54] But I don't know how that would work from gedit save as? :| [13:57] open gedit as 'gksudo gedit filename' [13:58] NoobyMcNoobins: did u figure it out [14:05] Yeap I did thanks guys :D [14:34] Should've adviced him to put it in /usr/local/sbin instead [15:38] hello [15:39] i wanna reduce my console screens those console when u hit ctrl+alt + F1 [15:39] how can i do that [15:46] kosaidpo: What do you mean by reduce? [15:47] geirha: well u can have 7 console by hitin ctrl_alt +F1 till F7 ight so me iwanna have only one [15:47] i dont think you can mess with that, that's something about the OS it self [15:48]