[00:27] <mhall119> popey: maybe under the new gnome control center?
[01:54] <pleia2> cjohnston: apparently only you get the user-days-team emails now since you're the team owner, can you forward me any that you've received? (lyz@ubuntu.com)
[01:55] <pleia2> should be at least two of them, one from magicfab and one from bkerensa
[01:55] <pleia2> want to make sure we haven't lost any, that was the class submission method we had documented, but launchpad has changed since our last user days (part of their "people hate email from launchpad" crusade, sigh)
[01:57] <pleia2> cjohnston: yes! thank you
[01:57] <pleia2> should be one from magicfab last week too, and maybe others?
[01:58] <pleia2> while you're at it if you could transfer ownership of the team to myself or nigelb that'd be great
[05:48] <head_victim> pleia2: nice email timing
[05:49] <pleia2> awful timing, sorry for taking so long
[05:49] <pleia2> I saw your email and went "oh no, that's today!"
[05:49] <head_victim> It's ok, I realise proxies probably aren't acceptable either I more just wanted to find a way forward with a list of applicants that dates back over a year.
[05:50] <pleia2> replying to your email now (not addressing proxies, just the backlog issue)
[05:50] <head_victim> No worries, thanks.
[05:51] <head_victim> I assume the meeting is meant to be tonight, the only mention of meeting times I can see is 2nd and 4th Tuesdays of the month but no documented meetings since March.
[05:51] <pleia2> yeah, APAC is kinda a mess right now
[05:52] <head_victim> Someone needs to find a cure for "real life" :)
[05:52] <pleia2> indeed :)
[05:53] <pleia2> most boards meet once a month, it would probably be worthwhile for you to start a thread to re-evaluate when people are available and adjust the schedule accordingly
[05:53] <head_victim> I don't mind doing some admin work on the board just don't want to barge in my first day and appear to be attempting to "take over".
[05:53] <head_victim> Well we'll see how the attendance is tonight. If it doesn't work out I'll shoot an email in the next few days.
[05:53] <pleia2> I wouldn't worry about that, I'll help you out as I can
[05:53] <pleia2> but right now my dinner has arrived :)
[05:53] <head_victim> Enjoy!
[05:53] <pleia2> thanks!
[05:54] <head_victim> I need to head to work soon myself, love nightshifts. Cheerio
[06:03] <AlanBell> popey: Daviey: bug 848336
[06:03] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 848336 in unity "screensaver is behind the unity dash so impossible to unlock" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848336
[06:25] <jono> morning dpm
[06:25] <dpm> hey jono
[06:25] <dpm> good morning all
[06:44] <dpm> hey nigelb, have you had the chance to start looking at writing that "Getting started with Python" tutorial?
[07:01] <nigelb> dpm: Not yet, but I'll look this wweek.
[07:02] <dpm> cool, thanks nigelb!
[07:31] <jussi> dpm: did you get sorted?
[07:32] <dpm> jussi, yeah, tsimpson helped me out, thanks for checking out :)
[07:32] <jussi> great :)
[07:39] <dholbach> good morning
[07:44] <dpm> hey dholbach, good morning :)
[07:45] <dholbach> hola dpm
[07:58] <kim0> Morning folks
[08:01] <dpm> hey kim0 :)
[08:01] <kim0> dpm: hey man :)
[08:07] <dpm> morning :)
[08:08] <kim0> dholbach_ in a bouncy state ?
[08:08] <dholbach_> yes
[08:19] <ejat> morning all ..
[09:10] <czajkowski> hmmm
[09:10] <czajkowski> desktop still wont boot into normal desktop still have to go to unity 2d
[09:17] <popey> czajkowski: can you create a new user and try to get into unity that way?
[09:17] <popey> see if its a user specific thing
[09:21] <czajkowski> will try
[09:26] <czajkowski> pposame thing with a new user also
[10:05] <dpm> does anyone know how to type the Ubuntu logo using the Ubuntu font? I can't remember the key combination...
[10:13] <head_victim_defy> Any membership board members around that wouldn't mind helping asia oceania tonight? were one short.
[10:13] <czajkowski> I just said I was in there
[10:15] <head_victim_defy> Sorry on a portions typing is slow
[10:19] <dpm> If anyone is interested, I just found it: Shift+Ctrl+u, then release and type e0ff
[10:19] <dholbach> 
[10:19] <dholbach> a bit tiny :)
[10:21] <dpm> yeah, but it looks quite cool with bigger font sizes :)
[10:36] <nigelb> dpm: Nice find.
[10:36] <nigelb> Looks great on big sizes
[10:42] <dpm> you're not looking at a dead pixel on your screen , it's the ubuntu logo!
[10:52] <AlanBell> it is used on the superkey of onboard :)
[10:58] <jussi> head_victim_defy: what time?
[11:00] <jussi> oh looks like it hapened already.
[11:00] <jussi> Meh, maybe next time.
[11:15] <dholbach> dpm, you're famous: http://www.thevarguy.com/2011/09/12/canonical-focuses-efforts-on-engaging-independent-developers/
[11:19] <kim0> dpm: yay :)
[11:28] <daker> nigelb, bug 848778
[11:28] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 848778 in launchpad "Launchpad has ugly fonts under Konqueror" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848778
[11:33] <nigelb> daker: I saw.
[11:33] <nigelb> I'll probably look at it when I get home.
[11:33] <daker> ok
[11:33] <nigelb> I couldn't reproduce on my machine so I'll try to run sid in a vm.
[12:16] <dpm> dholbach, ah, thanks, I hadn't seen it, cool :). I'm not too sure about becoming famous. If you remember not too long ago when I offered to do a talk the response I got was "sorry, but we were expecting Mark Shuttleworth" :)
[13:03] <jussi> dpm: famous !=wanted :P
[13:04] <dholbach> dpm, you can't compete with a cosmonaut - did you expect that? :)
[13:05] <dpm> jussi, in that case I was !famous & !wanted ;)
[13:18] <dpm> dholbach, no I wasn't expecting to compete. It was one of those I-know-which-reply-I'm-going-to-get moments :)
[13:18]  * dholbach hugs dpm
[13:18]  * dpm hugs dholbach :)
[13:40] <ejat> :)
[14:26] <jcastro> james_w: ok so stephen-doel can't seem to log into summit
[14:26] <jcastro> any ideas?
[14:36] <jcastro> james_w: I should just be able to reset his password for him right?
[14:44] <james_w> jcastro, I've fixed it
[14:45] <james_w> he didn't know to login before going to the admin area
[14:49] <jcastro> oh ok
[14:49] <jcastro> thanks for that.
[14:49] <jcastro> I gave him all the proper permissions and showed him the page to edit for the tracks
[14:52] <james_w> yep, I'm working with him to get it all set up
[14:52] <james_w> thanks for the help
[14:58] <jono> dholbach, setting up thw G+ hangout now
[14:59] <dholbach> jono, can you give me 2 minutes? I'm still sorting out a few bits re: TB election - talking to 500 people at the same time right now
[14:59] <dholbach> I'll tell them to bugger off, ok?
[14:59]  * czajkowski hugs dholbach 
[14:59] <jono> dholbach, np
[15:02]  * dholbach hugs you all back
[15:07] <jcastro> wait
[15:07] <jcastro> do we have a call?
[15:07] <jcastro> oh nm, it's _tuesday_
[15:08] <Pici> I thought it was Wednesday today.
[15:08] <czajkowski> no then I'd have missed my first day at work and I'd be rather pissed
[16:00] <jono> dholbach, creating the hangout
[16:02] <dholbach> jono, ok, can't see it yet, but I'll join as soon as it's there
[16:22] <kim0> hmm .. any idea if I can revert to an earlier version of http://pad.ubuntu.com/serverguide ? someone seems to have deleted some info
[16:22] <jcastro> yeah
[16:22] <jcastro> there's a slider thinger
[16:23] <jcastro> hmm, where did it go
[16:23] <jcastro> kim0: does hitting undo a bunch of times work?
[16:23] <kim0> trying
[16:24] <kim0> jcastro: hmm doesn't seem to work now
[16:24] <kim0> I hope I wasn't expected to manually click "save a version"
[16:25] <jcastro> it like auto takes versions
[16:25] <jcastro> looks like just the UI is missing
[16:25] <jcastro> AlanBell: ^^^
[16:25] <nigelb> jcastro: looking
[16:26] <nigelb> kim0: http://pad.ubuntu.com/ep/pad/view/serverguide/latest
[16:26] <kim0> nigelb: woohoo! nice
[16:26] <nigelb> Just remember the magic URL
[16:26] <AlanBell> we should put that link on the summit pages
[16:26] <nigelb> AlanBell: already in.
[16:26] <AlanBell> great
[16:27] <jcastro> or maybe just have it off for UDS
[16:27] <jcastro> but on during normal working hours of the cycle
[16:27] <jcastro> but whatevs
[16:27] <nigelb> kim0: When in doubt, visit pad.ubuntu-uk.org and find the magic URL. the buttons are available there.
[16:27] <AlanBell> we could put the button back in the pad
[16:27] <kim0> nigelb: thanks man .. this is great
[16:28] <nigelb> AlanBell: I'd rrather have it hidden from trolls.
[16:28] <AlanBell> but it was a hastily knocked together theme for summit integration and we wanted to rip most of it out for simplicity
[16:28] <AlanBell> it is fairly harmless for trolls
[16:28] <nigelb> Not like they can do much anyway
[16:28] <nigelb> yeah.
[16:28] <nigelb> AlanBell: Keep it simple
[16:28] <nigelb> exposing from summit seems okay for DUS
[16:28] <nigelb> err UDS
[16:29] <AlanBell> what would be ideal is to fix the content type of the HTML download so it just displays a static page
[16:30] <nigelb> Yeah.That needs deep digging though.
[16:30] <AlanBell> then in theory summit could iframe the static page if you are not logged in to summit and the editable page if you are
[16:30] <nigelb> AlanBell: But that doesn't stop people from editing it directly on pad.ubuntu.com
[16:31] <AlanBell> no, but they would have to do more thinking than I believe they are capable of
[16:31] <nigelb> jcastro: Hi
[16:31] <jcastro> hi
[16:31] <nigelb> jcastro: Is there a way we can let everyone at UDS know how to restore a pad that has been spammed?
[16:31] <nigelb> UDS mailing list?
[16:31] <nigelb> Or do you want me to give you a blurb you can mail everyone?
[16:32] <kim0> nigelb: any better idea to reverting than to copy/paste the old text back ? :)
[16:32] <AlanBell> kim0: no, that is how you do it
[16:32] <jcastro> currently -devel is the "UDS mailing list"
[16:32] <AlanBell> the "save" button just puts a * on the timeline
[16:32] <kim0> mm .. that'd loose the colors n stuff .. ok I guess
[16:32] <jcastro> if you make an etherpad wiki page with the tips and tricks I can just add it to UDS mails
[16:32] <jcastro> that way you have them all on one place
[16:32] <nigelb> I think I'll do that.
[16:32] <jcastro> or dude. ... I know
[16:32] <jcastro> you know how you guys prefill text in the pad?
[16:32] <jcastro> add a link there
[16:33] <nigelb> AHHH
[16:33] <jcastro> !!!
[16:33] <nigelb> AlanBell: Did you work on the prefilling?
[16:33] <AlanBell> yeah
[16:33] <jcastro> "Make sure you check the _instructions_ on how to use this pad" or whatever
[16:33] <AlanBell> you expect me to remember how I did it?
[16:33] <nigelb> heh
[16:33] <jcastro> heh
[16:34] <nigelb> AlanBell: I think I know. Need to look at the source.
[16:34] <nigelb> Its something in the theme
[16:39] <nigelb> AlanBell: still have the source for your theme?
[16:39] <nigelb> AlanBell: Anyway, we should just start an etherpad with tips
[16:40] <nigelb> http://pad.ubuntu.com/Etherpad
[16:46] <nigelb> People - help by adding more questions! http://pad.ubuntu.com/Etherpad
[16:50] <akgraner> nigelb, ok I added my two quetions :-)  If I think of more I'll add them
[16:50] <nigelb> akgraner: I answered one, I just PM'd you about the other one ;)
[16:50] <akgraner> gotcha...
[16:54]  * AlanBell isn't convinced that hitting the save button often is a good idea
[16:54] <nigelb> AlanBell: why not?
[16:54] <nigelb> AlanBell: Maybe we should say at the end of the session instead?
[16:55] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu.com/ep/pad/view/serverguide/latest <- because it isn't useful
[16:56] <nigelb> AlanBell: Edit as you feel necessary
[16:56] <akgraner> which is why I suugested - designated someone to do that so a 35 people aren't doing it all at the same til or everyone else thinks someone else is doing it and no one does it at all
[16:56] <akgraner> s/til/time
[16:56] <AlanBell> no one at all is fine :)
[16:57] <akgraner> That will be a hard habit for me to break - I click save each time I finish with something
[16:57] <mhall119> awesome: http://ubuntuone.com/1R7CeImjtAYjMVPk1Ozp76
[16:57] <AlanBell> you can hit save still, but it is a comfort blanket thing on etherpad really
[16:58] <nigelb> mhall119: WOAH.
[16:58] <nigelb> mhall119: Got it for your kids?
[17:02] <mhall119> uh...yeah...for the kids
[17:03] <nigelb> lol
[17:05] <AlanBell> src/themes/default/templates/misc/pad_default.ejs:15:put your session notes here
[17:05] <nigelb> \o/
[17:05] <AlanBell> that will be where the default is set
[17:06] <AlanBell> and yeah, I have the source
[17:14] <jcastro> hey james_w
[17:14] <james_w> hi jcastro
[17:14] <jcastro> james_w: These blueprints should just be able to be imported right?
[17:14] <james_w> jcastro, the linaro-summits ones that I guess Stephen just pinged you about?
[17:15] <jcastro> yeah
[17:15] <jcastro> ok I'm confused
[17:15] <jcastro> I thought you guys were going to make your own sprint page?
[17:15] <james_w> that's not decided yet
[17:15] <jcastro> so like, you would propose the blueprints to that sprint and accept them
[17:15] <jcastro> oh
[17:15] <jcastro> ok, well, that needs to be decided before the blueprints are submitted!
[17:15] <james_w> because summit only imports from one LP sprint for each summit
[17:16] <nigelb> we could run two instances of summit
[17:16] <nigelb> but that'd mean twice the trouble :)
[17:16] <james_w> nigelb, then we can't share attendees
[17:16] <jcastro> well
[17:16] <nigelb> james_w: oh.right.
[17:16] <nigelb> LDS and UDS is separate but not really separate :)
[17:16] <jcastro> I don't think breaking scheduling for both conferences is worth all this minimal branding
[17:17] <james_w> jcastro, I'm not sure that it has to be decided before we do the first few does it?
[17:17] <nigelb> Can we just delete summit and start over?
[17:17] <nigelb> :/
[17:18] <jcastro> ok so
[17:18] <jcastro> we have those 2 blueprints
[17:18] <jcastro> is it possible to like run the importer once to see if it works?
[17:18] <james_w> I've just been doing that
[17:19] <james_w> it's found a small issue with Launchpad, but it's basically working
[17:19] <james_w> well, the issue with LP is getting bigger by the minute :-)
[17:19] <james_w> if you want the separate sprint thing sorted before we do this then I can work on that
[17:20] <jcastro> ok so are they supposed to be on the schedule?
[17:20] <nigelb> I thought we confirmed the blueprint was actually gone before deleting it.
[17:20] <jcastro> the blueprints?
[17:20] <mhall119> james_w: you also can't share rooms between summits
[17:20] <mhall119> (yet)
[17:20] <james_w> mhall119, well, we're not sharing rooms this time :-)
[17:20] <mhall119> oh, ok
[17:20] <james_w> jcastro, I haven't scheduled them yet. I can if you lik
[17:20] <james_w> e
[17:20] <nigelb> so, our only block is attendees?
[17:21] <james_w> nigelb, detecting when someone is supposed to be in two places at once
[17:21] <nigelb> AAAAAAAH.
[17:21] <mhall119> which means it's got to go through slots
[17:21] <nigelb> Hrm.
[17:21] <mhall119> presumably linaro summit would have a separate set of Slots
[17:21] <james_w> so that for instance Ricardo can attend UDS sessions without risking clashes with Connect sessions
[17:21] <nigelb> and you as well :)
[17:22] <mhall119> james_w isn't allowed at UDS sessions, it's just easier that way ;)
[17:22] <nigelb> heh
[17:22] <james_w> I'm all about UDS
[17:23] <nigelb> What he really means is - he's all about the beer at UDS :P
[17:23] <mhall119> Linaro doesn't have beer?
[17:23] <nigelb> Hrm, cjohnston did have linaro beer.
[17:24] <mhall119> I thought he had linary BBQ
[17:24] <mhall119> linaro
[17:24] <mhall119> I don't know why, but my fingers have decided to type linary every time
[17:24] <nigelb> mhall119: Can we write summit from scratch? Pretty please?
[17:24] <mhall119> nigelb: knock yourself out
[17:24] <mhall119> but we aren't gonna use it
[17:24] <nigelb> lol
[17:25] <nigelb> I'll bribe Daviey to deploy it :P
[17:25] <mhall119> james_w: what's your default shell name?
[17:25] <mhall119> nigelb: I'm getting Daviey off from server access
[17:25] <mhall119> cutting
[17:25] <jcastro> james_w: ok so when he says he wants the schedule ready by wednesday ....
[17:25] <james_w> mhall119, on Canonical?
[17:25] <dholbach> alright, I call it a day
[17:25] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[17:25] <jcastro> and you've got them importing that shouldn't be a problem right?
[17:25] <nigelb> g'nite dholbach :)
[17:25] <jussi> laters dholbach
[17:25] <mhall119> james_w: I'm going to add you to my ec2 testing instance of summit
[17:25] <nigelb> mhall119: oh. ok.
[17:25] <mhall119> g'night dholbach
[17:26] <james_w> mhall119, jw2328 is my default
[17:26] <james_w> jcastro, yeah, he actually means last Friday...
[17:26]  * jussi waves to Mr Westby
[17:27] <james_w> OMG
[17:27] <jcastro> james_w: oh well, if you can import them I can schedule them now if you want.
[17:27] <nigelb> popey: Why does this make me think of you "Why fill yourself up with love when you can do it with tea?"
[17:27] <james_w> you can't have a session that spans a break
[17:27] <jcastro> hah no
[17:27] <jcastro> of course not
[17:27] <james_w> jcastro, that's ok, Stephen is going to schedule them
[17:27] <jcastro> you need to make a session for each block
[17:27] <jcastro> part 1
[17:27] <dholbach> night everyone
[17:27] <jcastro> part 2
[17:27] <jcastro> part 3
[17:27] <jcastro> and then put them in the right order
[17:28] <james_w> http://summit.linaro.org/uds-p/2011-11-01/
[17:29] <james_w> it will likely disappear in a minute
[17:29] <jcastro> at least it works!
[17:29] <nigelb> (for now)
[17:29] <mhall119> james_w: you should be able to ssh into ec2-50-16-76-22.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[17:29] <james_w> mhall119, thanks
[17:30] <mhall119> it's running the latest trunk of summit, so not what's in production
[17:34] <nigelb> where's crabbytag?
[17:38] <czajkowski> nigelb: calling him that isn't likely to get him to join in here any more
[17:40] <jcastro> did I miss some drama?
[17:40] <czajkowski> nope
[17:41] <nigelb> jcastro: Yeah, the bit where he applied for DM last night :)
[17:41] <nigelb> (j/k) :D
[17:41] <mhall119> I hope he gets it
[17:42] <nigelb> I'm fairly sure he'll get it. Ever since I've known him he's been doing something on Debian.
[17:42] <mhall119> yeah
[17:42] <czajkowski> he's going more than way than ubuntu from now on
[17:42] <czajkowski> but still keeping on the LC
[17:48] <akgraner> Oh this camera/headset combination is going to kill me...I can get one or the other to work but not both at the same time....grrr....that's all...:-)
[18:00] <jcastro> I got a new camera
[18:00] <jcastro> but don't use a headset
[18:13]  * czajkowski is like a kid here, have her bag packed for work tomrrow with all her bits and bobs, stuff for id, and list of questions ready to ask 
[18:21] <pleia2> :D
[18:22] <czajkowski> pleia2: scared shitless tbh, never done anything like this before, and it's only a 4 month contract but still
[18:22] <czajkowski> 2 other people started as well this week, 1 monday, 1 today and me tomorrow
[18:23] <pleia2> you'll be great
[18:23] <pleia2> new jobs scare me too, I need to stop switching careers
[18:23] <czajkowski> heh
[18:42] <mhall119> +1, new starts are lways scary
[19:12] <jcastro> AlanBell: hey are you on one eyed rick?
[19:12] <czajkowski> is that some sort of ride
[19:12] <czajkowski> sounds awfully painful
[19:12] <jcastro> depends
[19:12] <jcastro> if you want a working computer or not
[19:13] <czajkowski> oh I do
[19:13] <czajkowski> but I don't have one exactly
[19:13] <czajkowski> much screaming and swearing at mine for the last 24hrs
[19:13] <czajkowski> :/
[19:13] <czajkowski> now I have chocolate so a lot happier
[19:14] <nigelb> woah.
[19:14] <nigelb> http://www.google.com/flights/
[19:16] <jcastro> nice!
[19:16] <jcastro> man I could have used that the other day
[19:17] <czajkowski> trying to take over from skyscanner
[19:17] <czajkowski> but that only works for USA
[19:17] <AlanBell> jcastro: in virtualbox I am breaking things
[19:17] <czajkowski> the goog one
[19:18] <AlanBell> I think oneiric is going to be awesome in another 6 months or so
[19:19] <jcastro> AlanBell: hey can you try something for me
[19:19] <jcastro> you know in 11.04
[19:19] <jcastro> the little |> expander thing in the dash
[19:19] <jcastro> is yours broken in 11.10?
[19:20] <jcastro> I click on it and it doesn't collapse the dash
[19:20] <AlanBell> hmm, not sure what you mean quite
[19:22] <jcastro> in the home dash
[19:22] <jcastro> there's like a little house
[19:22] <jcastro> then "Shortcuts"
[19:22] <AlanBell> in the main dash there is a twistie next to Shortcuts
[19:22] <jcastro> and then an expando matic thing
[19:22] <jcastro> yeah!
[19:22] <jcastro> does that work for you?
[19:22] <AlanBell> click it and it goes away and does nothing
[19:22] <jcastro> aha!
[19:22] <jcastro> so it's not just me
[19:22] <jcastro> cool, let me file a bug
[19:23] <jcastro> what is the UI name for that expander thing?
[19:23] <jcastro> collapse-o-tron!
[19:23] <AlanBell> well in Lotus land they are called twisties
[19:24] <AlanBell> the original name for them was "hinkie dinkie"
[19:24] <AlanBell> which is what happens when programmers name things
[19:24]  * Pici blinks
[19:25] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/849334
[19:25] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 849334 in unity "Dash "twistie" doesn't work, making it impossible to collapse the dash" [Undecided,New]
[19:25] <jcastro> AlanBell: can you confirm that pls?
[19:27] <AlanBell> tried this one yet? https://launchpad.net/bugs/848336
[19:27] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 848336 in unity "screensaver is behind the unity dash so impossible to unlock" [Undecided,New]
[19:27]  * AlanBell greps the unity bugs for "impossible to"
[19:28] <jcastro> yea
[19:28] <jcastro> anything with window stacking order is probably doomed
[19:28] <jcastro> wanna try something awesome?
[19:28] <jcastro> click on an empty desktop
[19:28] <jcastro> so that the nautilus menu is in the app menu
[19:28] <jcastro> then click on file
[19:28] <jcastro> and select "New Tab"
[19:29] <jcastro> enjoy!
[19:29] <nigelb> Does it crash horribly?
[19:29] <AlanBell> interesting
[19:29] <jcastro> it's hard to explain
[19:29] <jcastro> more like, devil possession
[19:30] <AlanBell> so it kind of draws nautilus on the background then decides it is a bad idea and spawns a window
[19:30] <nigelb> jcastro: lol
[19:30] <AlanBell> and zooming out you can see the tabs "Loading..."
[19:31] <AlanBell> and you can switch between the tabs!
[19:33] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/849075
[19:33] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 849075 in nautilus "Desktop menubar should not have "open new tab"" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:33] <AlanBell> tabbed desktops could be really rather good
[19:33] <czajkowski> p/c
[19:36] <AlanBell> jcastro: you can right click on the tabs and close them to leave yourself back on the desktop
[19:53] <jcastro> AlanBell: ok I asked mterry and he recommended to assign it to pedro
[19:53] <jcastro> so I did
[19:53] <jcastro> mwahahaha
[19:54] <AlanBell> nice
[19:55] <AlanBell> what are you feeding the cloud people!
[19:55] <AlanBell> http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2011/09/from-zero-to-drawbridge-via-ubuntu-server-ensemble-and-cloudfoundry-in-less-than-10-minutes/
[19:56] <AlanBell> you too could run a shared cut down tuxpaint with just 6 large instances on EC2
[20:39] <jcastro> jono: you were most correct sir
[20:39] <jcastro> Diamond Head ftw.
[20:41] <jono> jcastro, :-)
[20:42] <jcastro> also here's a bonus
[20:42] <jcastro> when crazy man King Diamond left Mercyful Fate
[20:42] <jcastro> the dual guitarists started their own band called Force of Evil
[20:42] <jcastro> which I am hoping is basically the jamming of MF without the crack head.
[20:43] <jcastro> but it's behind my new 2 disc Diamond Head anthology .... \m/
[21:14] <cjohnston> jono: ping
[21:15] <jono> cjohnston, yo
[21:15] <cjohnston> mhall119: :-P
[21:15] <jono> jcastro, :-)
[21:16] <cjohnston> jono: need some help with rt 17895... This is to have summit stable for UDS.. They have a deadline of Oct 1... Which doesn't give us much further troubleshooting time if this doesnt work.
[21:16] <jono> cjohnston, what is the issue in the RT?
[21:16] <jono> have a link?
[21:17] <cjohnston> https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=17895
[21:17] <jono> thanks cjohnston
[21:17] <jono> one sec
[21:18] <cjohnston> the issue is just the deadline IS assigned to it does not provide much cusion for trying other things if that idea doesnt work
[21:18] <cjohnston> cushion
[21:18] <jono> cjohnston, what would you like me to do here?
[21:18] <jono> escalate it?
[21:19] <cjohnston> Push for a deadline sooner than oct 1 for them to complete the RT?
[21:19] <jono> surely a month should be enough?
[21:19] <jono> UDS starts on the 31st
[21:20] <nigelb> jono: What that RT describes is steps to get more info.
[21:20] <nigelb> Not how to fix.
[21:20] <nigelb> We have no idea what's going wrong yet.
[21:20] <jono> nigelb, why don't you guys respond to the ticket to outline this first
[21:20] <jono> and ask them to provide a sooner deadline
[21:20] <nigelb> Hrm. Okay.
[21:21] <jono> nigelb, it would premature of me to escalate when you guys haven't provided this feedback yet :-)
[21:22] <jono> jcastro, listening to the new Maiden again
[21:22] <jono> been a while
[21:22] <jono> nigelb, cjohnston provide feedback about your concerns to the RT and if it doesn't get any resolution, I will escalate
[21:23] <jono> thanks
[21:23] <cjohnston> thanks jono
[21:23] <nigelb> cool!
[21:23] <jono> thanks, fellas
[21:24] <jcastro> cjohnston: nigelb
[21:25]  * cjohnston hides
[21:25] <jcastro> hey you can ask james_w for juice too
[21:25] <jcastro> since they actually started scheduling already
[21:25] <nigelb> jcastro: He already fixed one bug :P
[21:25] <jcastro> right, I'm just saying, "also affects linaro" is a good way to get attention to a problem
[21:26] <jcastro> theoretically they'll have a bunch of sessions imported by tomorrow
[21:26] <james_w> jono, you should escalate along with that feedback going in the ticket
[21:26] <nigelb> heh, yes. Now we know james_w's weakness, we'll fully exploit it.
[21:26] <james_w> (from experience)
[21:26] <james_w> but yeah, that should have been written in the ticket before now, and it might not have reached this point
[21:26] <jono> james_w, escalate what? sorry I didn't understand what you mean
[21:27] <james_w> jono, escalate the RT ticket
[21:27] <james_w> to emphasise that it is important to Ubuntu to have the earlier deadline
[21:28] <jcastro> that is a good idea
[21:28] <james_w> waiting a week to do it means that that it can only be bought forward by up to 10 days at that point
[21:29] <james_w> providing clear, early information about importance and deadlines is better all around
[21:29] <jcastro> plus we need the slack room from when summit decides to do whatever undeterministic higgs-boson maneuver that will cause us all to want to kill ourselves.
[21:29] <nigelb> jcastro++
[21:30] <jono> james_w, oh I see, agree totally
[21:30] <jcastro> but hey, now that we removed the periods from the track names ....
[21:30] <jcastro> WHAT CAN GO WRONG NOW.
[21:30] <mhall119> jcastro: not this cycle
[21:30] <mhall119> jcastro: as long as you stay out of the admin
[21:30] <nigelb> lol
[21:30]  * cjohnston takes away jcastro's admin access... Summit is fixed!
[21:30] <mhall119> and Daviey stays off the production box
[21:30] <nigelb> when jcastro touches the admin, everthing breaks. When Daviey tests in production, nothing breaks.
[21:30] <jcastro> Ray, you said crossing the streams was bad.
[21:31] <cjohnston> its when Daviey lets nigelb play on the production box that there are problems
[21:31] <nigelb> WE DID NOT BREAK ANYTHING.
[21:31] <jcastro> this reminds me of that scene in Armageddon
[21:31] <nigelb> jcastro broke stuff by just renaming something.
[21:31] <jcastro> with the crazy Russian in the space space station
[21:31] <james_w> see, I just don't tell anyone when I change things in production, then I avoid all the blame :-)
[21:32] <jcastro> "That's why I told you touch nothing. But you're bunch of cowboys!"
[21:32] <nigelb> The BEST was the night of linaro dinner.
[21:32] <nigelb> Daviey tells me about reschedule.py.  Then james_w tells me about it.
[21:33] <nigelb> I'm like "What are you guys talking about? I don't see it here"
[21:33] <jcastro> "Components. American components, Russian Components, ALL MADE IN TAIWAN! "
[21:33] <cjohnston> lol
[21:33] <nigelb> jcastro++
[21:33] <nigelb> I love that scene
[21:34] <jcastro> "Also cjohnston is wondering if you can bring back 8 track tapes .... "
[21:40]  * AlanBell thinks the canonical desktop team should go on compulsory orca training
[21:41] <nigelb> Or just have their monitors stolen for a day :P
[21:41]  * Daviey perks up
[21:41] <AlanBell> it is at least now testable in Oneiric
[21:42] <AlanBell> but *so* full of fail when you try to use unity with it
[21:42] <Daviey> mhall119: what have i done?
[21:54] <jcastro> AlanBell: hey how's your alt-apps thing coming along?
[21:55] <jcastro> I'm going to need it at this rate
[22:04] <mhall119> Daviey: awstrial is what you did
[22:13] <AlanBell> jcastro: well it works just fine, but is an ugly fork of njpatel's code
[22:13] <AlanBell> so is covered in canonical copyrights and I have generally made a mess of it
[22:14] <AlanBell> I want to write it again from scratch in python so I actually understand what it does
[22:14] <AlanBell> rather than starting with something big and just cutting stuff off
[22:15] <AlanBell> and I have no idea how to do packaging
[22:16] <jcastro> if you can do the lense I can get you help with the packaging
[22:29] <AlanBell> that would be great
[22:52] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitya11y.ogv I need to record it again, the sound level for orca speaking is completly wrong, but you should get the general idea
[22:56] <james_w> jcastro, what does it take to get a sprint registered in Launchpad?
[22:56] <james_w> If I can get this done then we'll likely bug you a lot less :-)
[22:57] <james_w> ah, https://launchpad.net/sprints/+new
[22:58] <james_w> I can do it myself!
[22:58] <james_w> now I just need to bribe a summit hacker to land this change for me
[22:58] <popey> AlanBell: http://lwn.net/Articles/452233/ is a way I use to record screencasts, and it records the audio from the microphone _and_ from the sound card, rather than you recording sound coming out of the speakers and back into the mic. works nicely
[22:59] <AlanBell> thanks popey
[23:00] <popey> one day I'll make a nice gui for that
[23:02] <nigelb> james_w: or bribe jcastro to make you a summit hacker ;)
[23:46] <jcastro> done
[23:46] <jcastro> he's in
[23:50] <jcastro> ok, so trello is awesome
[23:50] <jcastro> who's bored and is a GTD/todo geek