[00:11] <nucc1> how do i find out what the binary for apache2 is on ubuntu server 10.04?
[01:10] <MartijnVdS> nucc1: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[05:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Community Management Crib Notes: Conflict Resolution - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/13/community-management-crib-notes-conflict-resolution/
[07:33] <hoover> morning all
[07:55] <popey> morning
[07:57] <diplo> morning
[08:07] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> \o bc
[08:11] <bigcalm> o/
[08:21] <JamesTait> Good morning, everyone! :-D
[08:23] <hoover> mornin JamesTait
[08:23] <Pernig> morning James
[08:36] <diplo> .
[08:37] <DJones> Morning all
[08:38] <Myrtti> moin
[08:39]  * Myrtti looks at her inbox. :sadface:
[08:42] <bigcalm> Mitta?
[08:45] <bigcalm> I still find myself saying Mitta, Kiitos and Maito
[08:47] <bigcalm> Wow, just recited the alphabet in Finnish
[08:47] <bigcalm> I need coffee!
[08:49] <christel> o.O
[08:50] <bigcalm> christel: I was with a _crazy_ Finn for 4 years. Some things rub off.
[08:50] <bigcalm> I am in no way saying that all Finns are crazy :)
[08:50] <christel> hehe
[08:50]  * bigcalm tickles christel for a giggle
[08:50] <Myrtti> bigcalm: no important email :-(
[08:51] <bigcalm> Myrtti: Google?
[08:52] <Myrtti> total silence from everywhere Ive applied :-(
[08:54] <bigcalm> Myrtti: I'm sorry :(
[09:10] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[09:20] <dogmatic69> o/
[09:20] <daubers> o/
[09:20] <brobostigon> o/
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> (that was left-handed!)
[09:28] <jpds> No, that was your right-hand.
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> jpds: it was not.
[09:28] <jpds> It's like a mirror.
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> jpds: no you're looking at the back of everybody's heads
[09:29] <bigcalm> <o/
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: "YMCA"?
[09:29] <jpds> MartijnVdS: Why would you be waving at us facing the other way?
[09:29] <bigcalm> Wave you hands in the air, like you just don't care
[09:29] <jpds> Anywya.
[09:36]  * daubers requires foodstuffs
[09:37] <bigcalm> I had poptarts this morning
[09:37] <bigcalm> I blame gord
[09:37] <daubers> poptarts are evil
[09:37] <kirrus> why? They're awesome
[09:38] <daubers> They're like the endermen of foodstuffs. They're fine until you look at them, then they teleport to you and attack you with their hot sugary calorificness
[09:38] <daubers> Now I want poptarts
[09:38] <daubers>  /o\
[09:38] <bigcalm> Bwuhaha
[09:44]  * daubers wonders if a stupid delivery company will actually succeed in delivering his package, against all the experience of said  company failing in every regard
[09:47] <kirrus> daubers: which company?
[09:48] <daubers> kirrus: Yodel (used to be called Home Delivery Network)
[09:48] <kirrus> Oh... I've got a package coming with them today...
[09:48] <kirrus> :/
[09:49] <daubers> kirrus: Anything exciting? Mines OU course stuff, fully expecting to have to go to their depot and collect it
[09:49] <daubers> (although last time I arranged that with them they decided to redeliver it.... never did get that package)
[09:55] <kirrus> Books! Fiction.
[09:56] <daubers> kirrus: From Amazon?
[09:56] <kirrus> Yup
[09:56] <daubers> Hmm.... http://twitter.com/#!/RoughleeHandled/status/113536810092740608
[09:57] <daubers> I think the parcel I never recieved was an amazon one. Was an electric razor. Went and bought it from Boots in the end
[09:57] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: http://t.co/nWtb9sy
[09:59] <daubers> Sometimes I think the high street survives because of the poor quality of delivery services in the UK
[10:01] <dogmatic69> lol
[10:01] <dogmatic69> you should try delivery service in other countries...
[10:02] <daubers> dogmatic69: Since I moved to reading, I haven't had a single package actually delivered. Always had to go collect them
[10:03] <dogmatic69> daubers: in south africa i never had a single package actually delivered. they all got stolen
[10:03] <daubers> dogmatic69: Well, if you will live in SA
[10:03] <dogmatic69> nope, i live in a country with awesome postal service... the UK :)
[10:05] <davmor2> MooDoo: anything?
[10:06] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, prod, prod......etc
[10:06] <czajkowski> davmor2: oi oi oi oi
[10:06] <davmor2> everyone morning all
[10:06] <daubers> dogmatic69: I'll agree with you if the day I don't have to make a 40 mile roundtrip to collect something I paid someone else to deliver to me
[10:07] <davmor2> czajkowski: well can't pick on you for a while, while you get settled so I need to get it out of my system :P
[10:07] <christel> czajkowski: are you all ready for tomorrow? :)
[10:07] <dogmatic69> daubers: get a bigger post flap thing
[10:08] <czajkowski> christel: yup :D
[10:08] <christel> :D
[10:08] <dogmatic69> the post guys normally push packages through my window if its too big
[10:08] <daubers> dogmatic69: That doesn't seem to be the issue. I don't even get cards saying "We tried to deliver but you where out" I end up ringing them, askign where my package is and get told they left a card (which they didn't)
[10:08] <dogmatic69> or i get it delivered to work where there is always someone about
[10:08] <dogmatic69> strange
[10:09] <dogmatic69> you must have the black sheep of royal mail doing deliveries
[10:09] <daubers> dogmatic69: RM actually leave cards (which is fine), other delivery companies tend to not bother
[10:09] <dogmatic69> ah.. like fedex etc?
[10:09] <daubers> Yodel is the worst as I arranged to collect it, went to get it and they'd sent it out for redelivery (which never arrived and had no card)
[10:10] <daubers> Remeber having something being delievered by city link that after two days of rearranging delivery I went to their depot and complained. They found my package (a Psion Revo) in the rubbish pile
[10:20] <oimon> psion revo \o/
[10:30]  * BigRedS wants a psion again
[10:30] <BigRedS> does the revo do wifi?
[10:32] <bigcalm> BigRedS: yes
[10:32] <bigcalm> BigRedS: I have a Psion II if you want it ;)
[10:33] <bigcalm> Or had, doubt it's been chucked
[10:33] <oimon> i have a revo too if anyone wants
[10:34] <oimon> plus i have the dock somewhere too.
[10:34] <BigRedS> bigcalm: ooooh! I had a 3 and then a 5mx. I'm trying to think what teh II was like
[10:34] <oimon> BigRedS: no wifi or bluetooth, but best OS ever until android
[10:34] <BigRedS> haha, just had a quick google
[10:34] <bigcalm> I think we might be thinking of different revos
[10:34] <oimon> the agenda and spreadsheet app were ace
[10:34] <BigRedS> there was a bit of a jump from II to 3 :)
[10:34] <bigcalm> BigRedS: think brick
[10:35] <bigcalm> Just a little
[10:35] <daubers> Had rubbish batteries
[10:35] <bigcalm> Yep
[10:35] <BigRedS> oimon: It was all about battleships over IR
[10:35] <oimon> BigRedS: i miised out on that :(
[10:35] <oimon> only user i knew
[10:35] <oimon> i read books on it, and did my accounts
[10:36] <daubers> Battleships was cool
[10:37] <oimon> my wife used it until last year when she got an htc
[10:37] <oimon> the only problem was when the rechargeable batteries died, you lost your data :(
[10:37] <BigRedS> oimon: Oooh, I don't remember that, but I was very good at syncing and charging
[10:37] <daubers> Changing the batteries in the revo was a nightmare. Had to resort to a soldering iron
[10:38] <oimon> lol, i bought replacements from ebay designed for revo
[10:38] <BigRedS> haha
[10:39] <BigRedS> Oh! The revo does bluetooth apparently
[10:39] <BigRedS> so I might be able to get to the internets via that :) Wonder if there's an epoc ssh client
[10:40] <daubers> BigRedS: if in doubt, there is a *nix ported to ir
[10:40] <daubers> http://linux-7110.sourceforge.net/
[10:41] <BigRedS> oh! This looks dangerously like becoming a project...
[10:41] <BigRedS> Awww, that's Sarge based. That makes it even better :)
[10:42] <oimon> BigRedS: psion revo doesn't do BT
[10:42] <oimon> although there was a colour prototype made with BT
[10:43] <BigRedS> oimon: ahh, yeah I'm seeing conflicting reports on BT
[10:49] <dogmatic69> what is the best way to do dual boot?
[10:50] <dogmatic69> looks like im forced to use windows for something :/
[10:50] <BigRedS> er, with grub?
[10:50] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: I'd create an empty space for Windows, install it there, then boot from a LiveCD to reinstall grub
[10:50] <BigRedS> or stick it in a VM, which is an awful lot less hassle
[10:51] <BigRedS> but really not dual-booting. It depends what you need Windows for
[10:51] <dogmatic69> well i need it for a vinyl cutter
[10:51] <dogmatic69> so dont know if vm will pass the port along properly
[10:52] <BigRedS> ah yeah, then a dual boot is your better bet
[10:54] <dogmatic69> need to make this work http://www.direct-shops.co.uk/products.php?product=Professional-Vinyl-Cutter-Cutting-Plotter-28%22-With-Optical-Eye
[10:54] <dogmatic69> would be super happy if it worked on ubuntu
[10:54] <bigcalm> Wine no good?
[10:54] <dogmatic69> im sure ps files would work some how
[11:06] <davmor2> czajkowski: MooDoo + Mrs MooDoo == Baby girl ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[11:07] <czajkowski> davmor2: I saw on saturday
[11:07] <czajkowski> so nice
[11:08] <davmor2> meh I didn't get the news till I saw it on FB this morning :(
[11:10] <czajkowski> davmor2: was on SAturday same day as the other kid
[11:11] <diplo> Anyone in here ever used rpmbuild ?
[11:11] <davmor2> czajkowski: Hopefully she takes after her Mom for looks if she looks like her dad I'd get to practice here LadyGAGA impressions from a early age :D
[11:12] <davmor2> czajkowski: it was always going to be wasn't it as soon as MooDoo said any day but....
[11:12] <oimon> diplo: yes
[11:12] <czajkowski> davmor2: aye
[11:13] <diplo> Trying to build cups oimon, last error and It should do it..
[11:13] <diplo> RPM build errors: File not found by glob: /tmp/cups-root/usr/share/icons/*
[11:13] <diplo> Any ideas ?
[11:13] <diplo> CentOS channel is not exactly the nicest place to be at times :)
[11:15] <oimon> are you rebuilding from SRPM?
[11:16] <oimon> diplo: come to #slforum and we'll discuss in there :)
[11:30] <aquarius> anyone know if there's a thing to let you do presentations from a phone? that is: a phone-USB-socket-to-VGA connector and associated software?
[11:57]  * popey hands aquarius an ipad
[11:57] <oimon> i still think of feminine hygeine products when I see ipad mentioned :-\
[11:59] <oimon> would be cool in future to connect a raspberry pi with bluetooth dongle to the projector, and control the presentation with a bluetooth presenter gadget
[11:59] <nigelb> popey: I now am a fan of your ideology. Things that work.
[12:03] <aquarius> popey: the idea is to work with my phone, which fits in my pocket. If I have to carry an ipad I might as well carry my laptop :)
[12:04] <popey> what ports does your phone have?
[12:04] <popey> HDMI?
[12:04] <czajkowski> they're very lgith and fit in my handbag
[12:04] <czajkowski> *light
[12:05] <jonsaint> hi all. can anyone help?? i got an iphone 4, can anyone tell me if itunes will work on ubuntu so i can keep my phone updated?
[12:06] <oimon> "The Droid X is the second smartphone to get an HDMI out port that allows you to connect the device to a projector or flat panel television"
[12:06] <oimon> probably lots more since then
[12:06] <dwatkins> jonsaint: itunes itself won't work natively on Ubuntu, but there are alternative applications (they won't update your phone, though)
[12:06] <dwatkins> !itunes
[12:07]  * AlanBell thinks aquarius would like the Samsung Galaxy Beam
[12:07] <jonsaint> drat. looks like il have to keep my pc as a dual boot then :-(
[12:07] <AlanBell> although it is probably a little less than awesome as a projector
[12:07] <dwatkins> jonsaint: you could run windows in a virtual machine with VirtualBox for itunes etc.
[12:08] <jonsaint> dwatkins, sorry but im new to all this and i wouldnt have a clue what to do lol
[12:08]  * oimon wonders if "update phone" means system updates or add new songs to it
[12:08] <aquarius> AlanBell, ah, no, that's a phone with a projector *in* it. I'm thinking of doing presentations at lugs or whatever where they already have a projector
[12:09] <AlanBell> aquarius: yeah, fun concept form factor though! Not sure how practical it really is
[12:09] <aquarius> pico projectors *drink* battery :)
[12:09] <dwatkins> good point oimon - which do you want to do, jonsaint?
[12:09] <aquarius> it is interesting, but not what I'm looking for :)
[12:09] <dwatkins> pico projectors also need a really dark room as they're not very bright
[12:10] <AlanBell> aquarius: there is a reasonable chance of getting hdmi out of a phone, possibly with a docking adapter or MHL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-definition_Link
[12:10] <jonsaint> well ive fell in love with ubuntu but know little about it. all im worried about is keeping my iphone updated. if i can find a way on ubuntu then il wipe my drive and just have ubuntu on here
[12:10] <aquarius> AlanBell, ooh, that's interesting
[12:10] <dwatkins> jonsaint: do you mean 'keeping the phone updated with the latest software'?
[12:10] <jonsaint> yes
[12:10] <AlanBell> VGA is unlikely, no analog circuits
[12:11] <AlanBell> jonsaint: can't the iPhone do over the air updates?
[12:11] <jonsaint> not sure. ive always done updates via itunes
[12:11] <aquarius> dammit, I'd have to buy a Samsung Galaxy S II. :(
[12:11] <dwatkins> jonsaint: I suspect you don't absolutely need to do this, and in fact it might be best not to update it all the time, as it might possibly break support for Amarok, Banshee or whatever you're using in Ubuntu to copy music to it
[12:11] <aquarius> I don't mind having a little box with a vga socket on it and a micro-usb lead poking out the side or whatever
[12:11] <dwatkins> jonsaint: no reason you can't keep the windows partition for booting occasionally to run updates on your phone, though.
[12:11] <AlanBell> I thought they were only a brick when you get them, after they have been introduced to itunes and your credit card they are fine to manage from other players
[12:12] <jonsaint> bit of a pain in the ass tho to have 2. would be good if i could turn on my pc and have just ubuntu on there
[12:12] <dwatkins> jonsaint: yeah, I sometimes use a virtual machine for windows-only apps, in theory it should work ok, but your mileage may vary as usual with this sort of thing.
[12:14] <jonsaint> all i actually need windows for is my itunes update for my phone software
[12:14] <dwatkins> why do you need to update your phone, jonsaint?
[12:14] <AlanBell> I don't think you need that
[12:15] <jonsaint> well i was told by a few folks to keep the updates current for the phone
[12:15] <dwatkins> (I appreciate there are often security fixes and so on, but I would hope there weren't any vulnerabilities that were accessible from the mobile phone network)
[12:15] <jonsaint> i dont really use it for music
[12:15] <dwatkins> I don't tend to update my iphone, but that's beause I'm a naughty jailbreak user ;)
[12:15] <jonsaint> haha. superb!
[12:16] <dwatkins> I also don't update it because as my primary communication device, I don't want it to potentially break when a software update causes problems, but I accept that's more likely because I've jailbroken it.
[12:16] <shauno> fwiw, ios5 goes a long way towards unchaining from itunes.  it does over-the-air updates, first-time setup without itunes, etc.  doesn't help you right now, but requiring a VM will go away eventually
[12:17] <dwatkins> that's good to know, shauno - I gather they also hired the developer of mobilenotifier, which makes iOS have some much needed improvements to the notification mechanism.
[12:17] <daubers> When OTA updates appears on IOS I'm sure Apple will start pointing out how android copied it
[12:18] <dwatkins> jonsaint: since you're new to Ubuntu, I suggest the simplest solution would be to keep a windows partition so you have the option of dual-booting if necessary, then you can update the phone if you desire.
[12:18] <dwatkins> You should be able to run itunes inside a virtual instance of Windows, but I've read there can be problems with the phone being recognised.
[12:19] <popey> 13:11:04 < AlanBell> jonsaint: can't the iPhone do over the air updates?
[12:19] <popey> In iOS5, yes, not before
[12:19] <dwatkins> I'd start by reading this thread, for example, just make sure you have backups and other methods of transferring data etc. jonsaint - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=687098
[12:20] <popey> daubers: its already here, I do OTA updates on my iPhone
[12:20] <popey> itunes in a VM is painful
[12:20] <daubers> popey: My missus will never be able too (unless she updates her iPhone)
[12:20] <popey> so update it?
[12:20] <popey> (when iOS5 releases)
[12:21] <daubers> popey: Also, iOS 5 is still only being seeded isn't it? Didn't think it was on general release (just dev accounts)
[12:21] <jonsaint> can an iphone be updated without itunes then?
[12:21] <daubers> popey: Didn't think iOS5 works on a 3GS
[12:21] <daubers> jonsaint: Not yet
[12:21] <popey> correct
[12:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Mrs TheOpenSourcerer uses iTunes in a VM and is living with it.
[12:21] <popey> jonsaint: in iOS5, yes
[12:21] <popey> due for release in October AIUI
[12:21] <jonsaint> what is this i0s5?? all new to me lol
[12:22] <shauno> the next major software update for your phone, makes it a little less addicted to itunes
[12:22]  * dwatkins heads off to the station
[12:22] <dwatkins> have fun, folks ;)
[12:22] <daubers> jonsaint: Cisco's Internetwork Operating System (until apple took the name anyway)
[12:23] <AlanBell> it is Apple's version of Android :)
[12:23] <jonsaint> so whats this new update supposed o do?#
[12:23] <bigcalm> AlanBell: lol
[12:23] <daubers> jonsaint: It will let you update without iTunes
[12:23] <jonsaint> ah superb
[12:23] <daubers> jonsaint: Amongst other things
[12:23] <jonsaint> more like apple being able to spy on us more you mean lol
[12:23]  * czajkowski does the 1 more day back to work dance :)
[12:24] <daubers> either way, I lost interest in ios ages ago. Can't do anything interesting in it
[12:25] <jonsaint> looks like keeping it dual boot then. but when his new update happens, i can get rid of windows then??
[12:26] <popey> yes, and no
[12:26] <jonsaint> yes and no?????
[12:27] <popey> well, you can software update over the air, you can get music on using ubuntu based music apps
[12:27] <popey> not sure about application installation
[12:27] <popey> you can of course install _some_ apps over the air
[12:27] <jonsaint> ah right
[12:27] <popey> but some require installing via itunes
[12:28] <popey> you can backup to the 'icloud'
[12:28] <jonsaint> cheers for all the info. better shoot and get back to doing some sort of work lol
[12:28] <popey> :D
[12:29] <czajkowski> davmor2: you on oneiric there ?
[12:32] <davmor2> czajkowski: I have an oneiric box yes
[12:33] <czajkowski> davmor2: click on your date and time and try and move to october cal please
[12:33] <czajkowski> or any other cal other than september
[12:34] <davmor2> czajkowski: can't move it fullstop
[12:34] <czajkowski> me neither
[12:34] <czajkowski> bit of a bug no
[12:35] <davmor2> czajkowski: pass I think it's known I'm hoping that they include lightning if they are sticking with TB and actually have a working calendar again
[12:36] <czajkowski> davmor2: I cant even boot to Unity 3d any more
[12:36] <czajkowski> find me a bug on that
[12:36] <czajkowski> I tried what popey suggested by creating a new user and logging in via that
[12:36] <czajkowski> but no good
[12:37] <davmor2> czajkowski: yes but you break stuff without trying anyway so that doesn't count :P
[12:37] <czajkowski> davmor2: no my fault it worked yesterday. update/upgrade shut down restart and kapoof no worky
[12:37] <czajkowski> most fliping annoying
[12:48] <oimon> need to stop trusting my weather app :(
[12:49] <popey> czajkowski: any errors in the home directory of the new user?
[12:49] <popey> like ~/.xsession-errors ?
[12:50] <czajkowski> lemmie see
[12:50] <czajkowski> nope :/
[12:51] <czajkowski> don't know how to report the bug I have atm though and nobody seems to have a similar issues
[12:51] <czajkowski> maybe tis just cypher begining to die
[12:54] <gord> Myrtti, shame you already got a 3ds, nintendo just announced a new colour :) http://www.next-gen.biz/files/images/3DS_misty_pink_426.jpg
[12:55] <oimon> czajkowski: which graphics card?
[12:58] <davmor2> czajkowski: fresh install and stop beating round the bush with it ;)
[12:58] <czajkowski> whats the command again for that ?
[12:59] <czajkowski> davmor2: noooo
[12:59] <oimon> lspci | grep -i vga
[12:59] <davmor2> czajkowski: lshw -html file.html and then post that on your server and direct oimon at it :)
[13:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> czajkowski: Who you going to be working for then?
[13:01] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: codegent.com
[13:01] <oimon> you call them to hire a well-dressed developer?
[13:03] <oimon> what do people think of this story? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-14887428 'Wi-fi refugees' shelter in West Virginia mountains
[13:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cool. Good luck.
[13:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> And don't expect to me to say anything more nice to you until after the RWC - or at least until you are out ;-)
[13:04] <czajkowski> davmor2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/688311/
[13:05] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: hey you barely got through the othe day
[13:05] <czajkowski> be careful
[13:06] <oimon> Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
[13:06] <davmor2> czajkowski: why you telling me you hw I said point oimon at it ;) oimon over to you
[13:08] <Myrtti> gord: I don't buy pink electronics
[13:08] <gord> Myrtti, oh, aren't you the person with pink on highlight?
[13:09] <Myrtti> gord: I am, but I still don't buy pink electronics
[13:09] <czajkowski> gord: pleia2 does
[13:09] <Myrtti> I think she has 3DS alreaedy tooo
[13:10] <Myrtti> for some unknown reason I think pink electronics have smaller resale value
[13:10] <Myrtti> so I don't buy pink electronics
[13:13] <oimon> czajkowski: ugly hack, but have you tried forcing unity to start?
[13:13] <czajkowski> nope
[13:13] <czajkowski> how ?
[13:13] <oimon> Add "UNITY_FORCE_START=1" to the  "/etc/environment" file
[13:13] <czajkowski> ah ok
[13:13] <czajkowski> will try that
[13:17] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1283/detail/ release party \o/
[13:31] <BigRedS> whoop!
[13:31] <bigcalm> Do I really want to venture all the way to London?
[13:33] <andylockran> hey guys - I have a pdf
[13:33] <andylockran> if I print it from acroread in X, then it prints great with the default settings on my printer
[13:33] <andylockran> (set in cups)
[13:33] <andylockran> but how do I get that same output from lp - it prints a test page fine, but send it the pdf and it prints nowt :(
[13:33] <andylockran> *desperate*
[13:34] <daubers> andylockran: Convert it to postscript?
[13:34] <BigRedS> bigcalm: yes
[13:34] <AlanBell> andylockran: you need to pipe it through ghostscript
[13:34] <BigRedS> bah. why is it midweek? that's a silly idea
[13:34]  * daubers needs coffee
[13:34] <andylockran> AlanBell: ooh?
[13:34] <AlanBell> BigRedS: it is always on a Thursday unless they get excited by 10/10/10 and put it on Sunday
[13:34] <bigcalm> What time of day would the release party be?
[13:35] <AlanBell> it is an evening thing
[13:35] <AlanBell> after work drinks
[13:35] <bigcalm> I would have to take 2 days off work
[13:35] <bigcalm> Or 2 half daysa
[13:35] <bigcalm> -a
[13:36] <AlanBell> or . . . organise a release party somewhere more convenient
[13:36] <bigcalm> Having never been to one, I don't really want to host one
[13:36] <BigRedS> Oh, I really should have spotted that pattern
[13:36] <BigRedS> I think every year I complain about it :)
[13:37] <AlanBell> that is why we are doing the happy hours
[13:37] <AlanBell> on reflection starting in London does put it a bit close to the release party
[13:37] <czajkowski> If I hear one mention of it's i London on the ML I will throttle someone
[13:37] <czajkowski> if you wnat a release party in your area, organise one ! aka do something, even if tis go to a pub and drink and talk mingle
[13:37] <AlanBell> I will mail the list shortly with a pre-emptive paragraph about that
[13:38] <AlanBell> and referencing the happy hours
[13:38] <AlanBell> the second of which I will also announce
[13:38] <bigcalm> I'm not complaining, just gathering information :)
[13:38] <AlanBell> and I think the third happy hour might be in Nottingham
[13:38] <Laney> yeah?
[13:40] <andylockran> AlanBell: doesn't look like that's working for me.. the printer is ps compatibl
[13:47] <oimon> andylockran: tried running pdf2ps on the file and printing the resulting file?
[13:48] <AlanBell> Laney: pick a day in November
[13:58] <Laney> 25
[13:58] <Laney> is 8 late for people to travel? or do you only expect locals?
[14:00] <Laney> also oneiric's release date coincides with the nottingham beer festival
[14:00] <Laney> how happy that is
[14:02] <AlanBell> there isn't a hard defined start time
[14:04] <AlanBell> just with the happy hours I want to specify a defined hour where you can expect to find people
[14:05] <AlanBell> so November 25th in Nottingham?
[14:06] <Laney> probably works
[14:22] <aaronr> I've recently had a server handed off to me that's running the unsupported Ubuntu 9.04, unfortunately the upgrade path requires going through the also-now-unsupported 9.10. Are there any docs on how to deal with this?
[14:25] <drussell> aaronr: not as far as I know... essentially backup anything important, cross your fingers and go through the upgrades until you reach something supported.
[14:25] <aaronr> heh. thought that might be the answer.
[14:26] <aaronr> no probs.
[14:26] <drussell> aaronr: good luck :o)
[14:26] <aaronr> haha, thanks :)
[14:29] <Myrtti> yeah, skipping versions isn't supported unless it's from LTS to LTS
[14:30] <aaronr> yeah. i'm guessing that do-release-upgrade will fail because the repo for 9.10 has moved to old-releases
[14:39] <popey> uhm
[14:40] <popey> have you tried it?
[14:41] <popey> aaronr: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[14:43] <aaronr> popey: yeah i read that, but won't that expect the "next" release to not be on old-releases too?
[14:44] <aaronr> i mean sure, i can make the current release know it's on old-releases, but do-release-upgrades rewrites /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:53] <popey> tbh I'd just modify the sources list and do a dist-upgrade
[14:55] <Lcawte> Release party at a pub eh? Hmm
[14:55] <aaronr> i thought doing dist-upgrade was bad now do-release-upgrade was around?
[14:56] <czajkowski> Lcawte: always is
[14:57] <popey> aaronr: do-release-upgrade is better. and I would try it first, but if it fails I'd do the dist-upgrade route
[14:57] <aaronr> okay. thanks.
[15:35] <AlanBell> Lcawte: we do non-pub events too, but the release parties are somewhat unavoidably pubish
[15:38] <Myrtti> hm
[15:39] <Myrtti> I think the correct term would be "have been"
[15:40] <Myrtti> or even "historically have been"
[15:41] <AlanBell> for the parties Myrtti?
[15:41] <Myrtti> yeah
[15:42] <Myrtti> what is that sentence the banks put in their adverts...
[15:42] <popey> Your home is at risk if you do not keep up repayments on a loan secured against it?
[15:42] <AlanBell> the London after work on the last day thing that the Canonical engineers turn up to will be in a pub
[15:42] <popey> The value of your investment may go down as well as up?
[15:42] <AlanBell> it is beyond my ability to alter that
[15:42] <Myrtti> "past performance does not guarantee future results"
[15:43] <popey> thassim
[15:43] <AlanBell> if at first you don't succeed, give up
[15:43]  * bigcalm gives up trying to be smelly and has a shower
[15:45] <shauno> if at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you :/
[15:45] <bigcalm> That sounds like Milton Jones
[15:56] <Myrtti> meh
[15:56] <Myrtti> I like the Finnish undergraduate education system
[15:57] <Myrtti> I know where to look for studies in such and such
[16:23] <MartijnVdS> Hmm.. stack of new music \o/
[16:28] <smittix> heh I like the screenshot camera sound in 11.10
[16:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Dominic Watkins] Some useful apps for Mac OS X - http://rowla.dyndns.org/blog/2011/09/13/some-useful-apps-for-mac-os-x/
[16:35]  * popey emails zoostorm asking if they will supply a naked pc
[16:37] <Myrtti> has anyone used or tried shotwell in oneiric?
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> I have
[16:37] <Myrtti> do you use Flickr?
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> yes, but not from shotwell
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> shotwell + raw doesn't work nicely yes, so I load raw into shotwell, then process to jpg, and upload the jpgs to flickr using postr
[16:38] <Myrtti> ah
[16:39] <smittix> I still love DigiKam for that kind of thing. When im using my kubuntu machine
[16:39] <smittix> export straight to flickr
[16:39] <Catbuskris> anyone know a good program for recording video with webcam?
[16:40] <smittix> Catbuskris: You can do it with VLC iirc
[16:40] <The_Fred> check out 'monitor', I know it does still, but i think i recall somemention in the man pages about .avi's
[16:40] <Catbuskris> thanks guys
[16:41] <smittix> Catbuskris: See here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=143732
[16:55] <Catbuskris> what is my audio device??? ls /dev/audio* returns no results
[16:56] <Catbuskris> i can record video on VLC but no sound :(
[16:57] <bigcalm> Catbuskris: in the Software Centre, look for PulseAudio Volume Control
[16:57] <bigcalm> Catbuskris: that will give you more control over input and output hardware
[17:01] <Catbuskris> but bigcalm, i don't know what to put in th "audio device name" box analogous to "video device name".  According to PulseAudio the devices are called "Analogue/Internal Microphone"
[17:35] <Azelphur> so my friend sent me a pic of the desk he built, it looks like what I want. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23102991/IMG_0772.JPG anyone know where I might get something like that?
[17:36] <Azelphur> perhaps without the weird middle cupboard, but that kinda shape desk :D
[17:38] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: IKEA kitchen cupboard + kitchen worktop?
[17:38] <Azelphur> except I don't want to build it myself :p
[17:39]  * Azelphur is scared of power tools
[17:39] <mgdm> If it's IKEA stuff you won't need to
[17:39] <mgdm> I mean, no power tools at least
[17:39] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: for customizing it like that you might need to
[17:39] <MartijnVdS> but IKEA has nice desks
[18:12] <tonytiger> Evening all
[18:12] <tonytiger> I hope you're going to listen in in an hour or so
[18:12] <Azelphur> why would we want to do that :o
[18:12]  * Azelphur runs
[18:13] <Azelphur> tonytiger: what are you doing in an hour or so? :)
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: ubuntu-uk-podcast-recording, I think
[18:15] <tonytiger> :)
[18:15] <Azelphur> ah cool :D
[18:16]  * MartijnVdS watches the Star Wars bluray
[18:31] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: is it the same as the normal version?
[18:40] <AlanBell> Han shot first
[18:42] <AlanBell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_changes_in_Star_Wars_re-releases#Blu-ray_edition
[18:50] <StevenR> AlanBell: the way it should be :)
[19:00] <andybleaden> Hi All tweeted a few days ago about the possibility of setting up a Launch party sometime in October in Manchester. Firstly, anybody doing one already. Secondly I was thinking of try to approach Madlab to possibly host it and thirdly..who would like to come?
[19:02] <AlanBell> hi andybleaden
[19:02] <andybleaden> hi
[19:02] <AlanBell> I don't know of anyone doing one already
[19:03] <andybleaden> good...did want to tread on toes
[19:03] <AlanBell> there was mention of Leeds on the list, but not Manchester
[19:03] <andybleaden> AlanBell, Is there many do es and donts ...not done one before
[19:04] <AlanBell> don't pay for a venue, just nominate a pub
[19:04] <AlanBell> make sure there are at least a handful of people likely to turn up
[19:04] <andybleaden> so pubs better I guess
[19:04] <andybleaden> just thinking about wifi
[19:04] <AlanBell> don't worry about wifi
[19:04] <andybleaden> and the madlab place sounds cool
[19:04] <andybleaden> aha
[19:05] <andybleaden> hmm
[19:05] <AlanBell> if you can do something at madlab then that would be cool
[19:05] <andybleaden> AlanBell, how come wifi not a problem..people too busy drinking beer!
[19:05] <AlanBell> yes
[19:06] <andybleaden> outragious
[19:06] <AlanBell> and just tether a phone if anyone wants it
[19:06] <andybleaden> ah
[19:06] <AlanBell> generally on the release day parties some people kick off a torrent before going out
[19:06] <andybleaden> so having not been to one...what happens
[19:06] <andybleaden> torrent..what of the release?
[19:07] <AlanBell> however downloading a CD now takes about a minute or two on fast broadband :)
[19:07] <andybleaden> So do some CDs pen drives etc
[19:17] <andybleaden> Anyway ...anyone here from the North West who would like to come along to a Launch party in Manchester in October
[19:19] <andybleaden> or even outside of the north west if they can come
[19:24] <nucc1> i'm experiencing some weird issue with postfix, courier and sasl authentication. If i append any number of extra characters to the supplied password, authentication still passes
[19:26] <mgdm> how many characters is the password?
[19:26] <nucc1> 8 characters
[19:26] <nucc1> only the first 8 characters are checked?
[19:26] <mgdm> that's probably it then - depending on the way the passwords are stored it'll only check 8
[19:27] <nucc1> mgdm, darn.
[19:27] <nucc1> first, it requires plaintext passwords, then it only checks 8 chars.
[19:27] <nucc1> i shudder.
[19:28] <nucc1> i should look into a better scheme.
[19:28] <mgdm> I have my Postfix and Dovecot set up to use TLS, but I'm fairly sure it uses more than 8 chars
[19:28] <nucc1> what did you mean by "depending on the way the passwords are stored?"
[19:28] <nucc1> they are stored in a mysql database
[19:29] <nucc1> i'm using TLS too
[19:29] <mgdm> well if you'd ended up using an old-school Unix crypt scheme at the back end, that'd only check 8 chars
[19:30] <nucc1> the second problem is that smtp always fails with a message Authentication Failure
[19:30] <nucc1> mgdm, what scheme are you using at your backend?
[19:31] <mgdm> just the system shadow PW DB
[19:31] <nucc1> i want to use a mysql database
[19:31] <nucc1> because i'm using virtual domains
[19:31] <mgdm> (probably not a brilliant idea in the long run, but I've got got around to changing)
[20:01] <nucc1> mgdm, do you happen to know where the backend scheme is specified?
[20:02] <nucc1> in my /etc/pam.d/smtp , i find that each line ends with crypt=1
[20:02] <nucc1> and i don't quite understand what that means.
[20:04] <mgdm> nucc1: I'm afraid not, I don't use SASL directly - I use Dovecot's authentication stuff instead, it's far easier to handle
[20:08] <nucc1> mgdm, ok. i'll consider dovecot if this courier stuff proves to be too troublesome
[20:09] <mgdm> I highly recommend it
[20:09] <mgdm> It can talk to MySQL as well
[20:11] <nucc1> mgdm, what they call it. cognitive dissonance? i just want to justify the effort i've already put into courier at this stage :p
[20:11] <nucc1> but i'll give up if i don't succeed in the next 2 hours.
[20:11] <j0nr> hey folks
[20:12] <Laney> I am doing that right now with a particular build failure
[20:12] <mgdm> nucc1: ah yes, I can understand that
[20:12] <Laney> keep getting further and then hitting more problems
[20:12] <Laney> but now I'm in too deep and have to see it through
[20:12] <Laney> oh, works \o/
[20:12] <j0nr> I am trying to get xbmc running on server edition. I therefore need to be able to launch it with xinit or something...as I do not want to run a full on desktop environment. I am struggling to get video driver working.... starting to get in a bit of a mess
[21:00] <aquarius> j0nr, any reason why you don't want to run a full desktop environment? I mean, a lightweight window manager will not be any serious use of resources, and then all these problems go away, no?
[21:00] <aquarius> install openbox or something like that
[21:01] <aquarius> and then, pow, you've got proper X
[21:01] <aquarius> and your video stuff will work :)
[21:09] <j0nr> aquarius: Maybe I will try
[21:09] <j0nr> as I am lost
[21:10] <AlanBell> j0nr: what hardware?
[21:10] <aquarius> j0nr, yeah. I suspect that'll help. install lubuntu-desktop, say, to get a Lubuntu system, and then work from there; that way, people who are prepared to delve into the misery of X and graphics and drivers and such are solving your problem, so you don't have to
[21:10] <aquarius> (or, to be honest, just run real Ubuntu desktop. That's what I do on my Revo with boxee, and it's fine; a desktop environment that isn't doing anything doesn't use up resources.)
[21:12] <j0nr> AlanBell: radaon mobility rv250
[21:12] <AlanBell> that is just the graphics card right?
[21:13] <j0nr> AlanBell: yes, its  Dell D600 Latitude
[21:14] <j0nr> aquarius: the only thing it when I flick my tv to the pc input, i will be seeing a desktop right? I really just wanted to start 'xinit xbmc', so that when I went to PC on the tv, I would just see XBMC interface
[21:14] <j0nr> so it is more of a media centre than just a pc plugged into the tv
[21:14] <aquarius> j0nr, just put xbmc in your Startup Programs
[21:14] <j0nr> certainly want to not have to sit with a keyboard and mouse
[21:14] <aquarius> then as soon as the desktop starts, so will xbmc.
[21:15] <j0nr> hm, yeah :)
[21:15] <aquarius> search for Startup Applications in the dash
[21:15] <j0nr> i'll give it a go... just worried as I am limited to 500mb RAM
[21:15] <aquarius> and that way you get all the sensible ways to do things like configure the screensaver, etc.
[21:15] <aquarius> well... lubuntu desktop might be a good way to go if you find that proper Ubuntu is too much for your machine
[21:16] <aquarius> they do a reasonable job at making a lightweight desktop; I'm sure it has some way of setting a startup application :)
[21:17] <j0nr> but is it differetn under the skin? i.e. right now I have server-edition installed. Is the difference between ubuntu and lubuntu just whether I install ubunut-desktop or lubuntu-desktop (in a manner of speaking)
[21:19] <aquarius> j0nr, that's indeed the difference. The underlying infrastructure is the same for both
[21:22] <diplo> evening all
[21:22] <diplo> What do you guys use for ripping CD's ?
[21:23] <j0nr> aquarius: downloading lubuntu - a fresh start methinks... cheers
[21:25] <mgdm> diplo: sound juicer, I think it's called
[21:26] <diplo> heh ta mgdm just found in software centre
[21:26] <diplo> Giving it a go now
[21:27] <mgdm> If you want to rip to MP3, you need to fiddle with the presets a bit
[21:29] <aquarius> diplo, I rip CDs with the standard music player (Banshee). Nice and easy
[21:29] <mgdm> Banshee's the standard now?
[21:29] <diplo> oh not tried that, will take a look ta
[21:29] <mgdm> Oh
[21:30] <doc_matt> I still use grip ..
[21:31] <doc_matt> does a better job with id3 tags on ogg vorbis
[21:31] <doc_matt> or at least, it did last time I tried banshee
[21:32] <diplo> not heard of grip either, got to be mp3's though  :/
[21:33] <doc_matt> grip is quite ..old ..
[21:34] <doc_matt> not even sure it's still being maintained
[21:34] <diplo> I've always used CDEX on windows, never ripped under linux i don't think yet ive been using for years
[21:34] <diplo> not in ubuntu repos
[21:35] <doc_matt> my installs go a way back
[21:35] <doc_matt> some stuff hanging around from a while ago
[21:36] <diplo> :)
[22:49] <shauno> spent almost an hour picking colours for various shell prompts.  tis an exciting life.