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charlie-tcaGood morning13:48
charlie-tcaGood afternoon, madnick 13:49
davmor2morning charlie-tca how's xubuntu going?13:55
madnickmorning charlie-tca :)13:56
charlie-tcadavmor2: Good morning! Things are looking very good right now13:57
charlie-tcaGood morning, mr_pouit 14:01
mr_pouitmicahg: have you started to work on xfce4-dev-tools? (I'm thinking of forgetting about multiarch for now, with the beta and final freeze coming soon, and with the ftbfs & bugfix releases to sync...)14:04
mr_pouit(also, the latest garcon release [0.1.9] contains many internal changes, I'm not sure it's very wise to update it at this point)14:07
mr_pouitand would remain: exo (fix ftbfs, and sync in o+1); gigolo, libxfce4util, libxfcegui4, xfce4-clipman-plugin, xfce4-dict, xfce4-fsguard-plugin and xfce4-utils (sync from unstable)14:19
charlie-tcaI trust your judgement in this stuff14:19
charlie-tcaLet's not break what we can't fix :)14:20
mr_pouitlet's wait for micahg's opinion (if he has started to work on them, let's continue ;-)14:22
cyphermoxhi, can I bring your attention to bug 844027; I'm concerned that dropping gnome-bluetooth to suggests as proposed would have it drop from the xubuntu image; there may be a need to change the seed file15:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 844027 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu) "Consider dropping gnome-bluetooth to suggests" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84402715:33
cyphermoxAFAICT gnome-bluetooth isn't seeded explicitly, and instead is getting pulled by network-manager-gnome; I can fix this by sending a merge request, but I just want to make sure outside of any doubt that this is what we want :)15:35
charlie-tcacyphermox: we are looking at using blueman to configure bluetooth, since bluetooth now requires gnome-control-center to configure it. 15:35
charlie-tcamr_pouit: do we need gnome-bluetooth?15:36
cyphermoxgood thing I asked then ;)15:36
charlie-tcaWe would prefer not to have to pull half of gnome3 to use bluetooth15:36
cyphermoxfwiw, the upload I'll do to fix this will also include a fix for bug 60682515:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 606825 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu) "Showing many Dont Show This Messege again" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60682515:37
charlie-tcaWe need mr_pouit or micahg to give us a reading here. They are much more knowledgeable than myself on these things15:38
cyphermoxsure sure, no rush15:39
micahgmr_pouit: I test built exo last night, we at least need the -m fixes, I'd almost rather pull the whole thing in unless it's going to break in bad ways16:19
micahgcyphermox: we can seed it if we need it, that's not an issue, thanks16:21
cyphermoxmicahg: thanks!16:21
scott-workcharlie-tca: i wanted to say that i think xubuntu natty is a beautiful release, especially the themeing and panel layout16:57
scott-worki enjoy the simplistic window dressings as they are simplistically beautiful yet extremely functional16:58
scott-worki am setting up a six core machine to do video on and i am using xubuntu 11.04 as the base for it16:59
scott-worki have used xubuntu before (even natty) but i am especially enjoying setting up this machine with xubuntu this time16:59
scott-worki am keeping a log of the things that i have been changing and will submit it to the xubuntu-devel mailing list as suggestions within the coming week or so17:00
charlie-tcaochosi did the theme for natty and oneiric17:03
scott-workochosi: good job on the natty theme!17:04
scott-workcharlie-tca:  i was looking at bug 844027, are you considering change network applications?17:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 844027 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu) "Consider dropping gnome-bluetooth to suggests" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84402717:06
charlie-tcano, we are thinking bluetooth right now requires pulling in gnome3 for user configuration purposes17:07
charlie-tcaso, we won't use gnome-control-center17:07
charlie-tcawe will seed gnome-bluetooth if we decide to use it, but see no reason it has to be there at the present time17:07
scott-workah, we don't want any bluetooth included by default since we really aren't a "desktop" distribution17:08
charlie-tcabut don't people use bluetooth headsets for music?17:08
charlie-tcaor am I confused again?17:08
scott-workhmmmm, perhaps17:09
scott-workbut i don't think they are routinely used in studio settings17:09
scott-worki could be wrong however17:10
charlie-tcaI don't know. I don't do much of anything with music, including listening to it anymore17:10
Unit193This also isn't Ubuntu Studio ;)17:11
scott-worki would posit that bluetooth headphones would be used more for pedestrian listening17:11
scott-worktrue Unit193  :)17:11
Unit193We are thinking about blueman IIRC17:12
micahgmr_pouit: BTW, I'm with you on no new upstreams, but I think the Debian packaging changes we should probably take unless you think multiarch will break stuff badly (in which case I guess we cherry pick the linker flag fixes)18:17
mr_pouitmicahg: no, I think it's ok to sync (I tested the helpers - open an url/a mailto from xfce4-terminal, and they still work)21:25
micahgok, I'll try to get it all in for beta 2 then21:26
mr_pouitmicahg: and the xfce4-dev-tools sync won't cause any new rebuild iirc21:26
mr_pouit(because only exo is ready for multiarch)21:26
mr_pouitmicahg: do you know if https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+localpackagediffs can be used for syncs?21:29
mr_pouit(and is it buggy and will cause a massive autosync by accident? ;-)21:29
micahgmr_pouit: yes, it can, but syncpackage will now use that interface as well21:29
mr_pouitoh, nice21:29
micahgthe multiarch changes need an FFe21:29
Unit193charlie-tca: Around?21:33
mr_pouitI'm doing some syncs (libxfce4util, libxfcegui4 and xfce4-utils), and if I'm not too sleepy I'll prepare the bug report for exo (otherwise I'll do it tomorrow morning)21:42
charlie-tcaUnit193: I am back now22:03
Unit193~4.* enough for an install? The resize screen didn't tell me how large it was giving me22:03
charlie-tcayes, we can install Xubuntu in 2. GB if the installer will run22:07
charlie-tcaI have done installs in 1.9 using the alternate image22:08
Unit193You said something about it acting funny at ~3 I think?22:08
charlie-tcaIf you are using the desktop image, and trying to install, ubiquity gives you issues when the drive size is less than 4.4GB, but you can actually install in 1.9 with a separate swap file of 192MB22:09
charlie-tcawithout the swap file, it gets really cranky22:09
charlie-tcaoh, and it is slower, too22:10
Unit193I only had issues with it not telling me how much space each was22:10
Unit193I think it's supposed to be a "feature" though22:11
charlie-tcait should tell you, but maybe it is changed now22:13
charlie-tcaIs the alternate image working for you?22:13
charlie-tcaIt gave me a missing kernel message today22:14
Unit193Haven't testing that yet, going down the line of tests (Entire yesterday, resize today, etc) I could test 32bit though22:14
charlie-tcaThat's great!22:14
charlie-tcaI will run alternate images tomorrow, just to verify what is working in them22:14
Unit193So you would like me to run one? I just don't really have much more to mark down than "Pass" :/22:15
charlie-tcaNo, I will try both alternate images tomorrow22:16
charlie-tcaPASS is good! Most of the bugs that were real obvious got fixed22:17
OlbiI have been updated xubuntu daily iso testing site to 13 october :P some1 could add there anything :]22:32
charlie-tcaThere should be a form for each month22:35
charlie-tcaI show July, August, September there now22:35
Olbimy bad22:40
charlie-tcaNo problem. I will make it easier to find the right one22:46

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