=== Unit193_ is now known as Unit193 === ablomen_oops is now known as ablomen [13:48] Good morning [13:49] Good afternoon, madnick [13:55] morning charlie-tca how's xubuntu going? [13:56] morning charlie-tca :) [13:57] davmor2: Good morning! Things are looking very good right now [14:00] hey [14:01] Good morning, mr_pouit [14:04] micahg: have you started to work on xfce4-dev-tools? (I'm thinking of forgetting about multiarch for now, with the beta and final freeze coming soon, and with the ftbfs & bugfix releases to sync...) [14:07] (also, the latest garcon release [0.1.9] contains many internal changes, I'm not sure it's very wise to update it at this point) [14:19] and would remain: exo (fix ftbfs, and sync in o+1); gigolo, libxfce4util, libxfcegui4, xfce4-clipman-plugin, xfce4-dict, xfce4-fsguard-plugin and xfce4-utils (sync from unstable) [14:19] I trust your judgement in this stuff [14:20] Let's not break what we can't fix :) [14:22] let's wait for micahg's opinion (if he has started to work on them, let's continue ;-) [14:23] okay [15:33] hi, can I bring your attention to bug 844027; I'm concerned that dropping gnome-bluetooth to suggests as proposed would have it drop from the xubuntu image; there may be a need to change the seed file [15:33] Launchpad bug 844027 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu) "Consider dropping gnome-bluetooth to suggests" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/844027 [15:35] AFAICT gnome-bluetooth isn't seeded explicitly, and instead is getting pulled by network-manager-gnome; I can fix this by sending a merge request, but I just want to make sure outside of any doubt that this is what we want :) [15:35] cyphermox: we are looking at using blueman to configure bluetooth, since bluetooth now requires gnome-control-center to configure it. [15:36] mr_pouit: do we need gnome-bluetooth? [15:36] good thing I asked then ;) [15:36] We would prefer not to have to pull half of gnome3 to use bluetooth [15:37] fwiw, the upload I'll do to fix this will also include a fix for bug 606825 [15:37] Launchpad bug 606825 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu) "Showing many Dont Show This Messege again" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/606825 [15:38] We need mr_pouit or micahg to give us a reading here. They are much more knowledgeable than myself on these things [15:39] sure sure, no rush [16:19] mr_pouit: I test built exo last night, we at least need the -m fixes, I'd almost rather pull the whole thing in unless it's going to break in bad ways [16:21] cyphermox: we can seed it if we need it, that's not an issue, thanks [16:21] alright [16:21] micahg: thanks! [16:57] charlie-tca: i wanted to say that i think xubuntu natty is a beautiful release, especially the themeing and panel layout [16:58] i enjoy the simplistic window dressings as they are simplistically beautiful yet extremely functional [16:59] i am setting up a six core machine to do video on and i am using xubuntu 11.04 as the base for it [16:59] i have used xubuntu before (even natty) but i am especially enjoying setting up this machine with xubuntu this time [17:00] i am keeping a log of the things that i have been changing and will submit it to the xubuntu-devel mailing list as suggestions within the coming week or so [17:02] Thanks [17:03] ochosi did the theme for natty and oneiric [17:04] ochosi: good job on the natty theme! [17:06] charlie-tca: i was looking at bug 844027, are you considering change network applications? [17:06] Launchpad bug 844027 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu) "Consider dropping gnome-bluetooth to suggests" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/844027 [17:07] no, we are thinking bluetooth right now requires pulling in gnome3 for user configuration purposes [17:07] so, we won't use gnome-control-center [17:07] we will seed gnome-bluetooth if we decide to use it, but see no reason it has to be there at the present time [17:08] ah, we don't want any bluetooth included by default since we really aren't a "desktop" distribution [17:08] but don't people use bluetooth headsets for music? [17:08] or am I confused again? [17:09] hmmmm, perhaps [17:09] but i don't think they are routinely used in studio settings [17:10] i could be wrong however [17:10] I don't know. I don't do much of anything with music, including listening to it anymore [17:11] This also isn't Ubuntu Studio ;) [17:11] i would posit that bluetooth headphones would be used more for pedestrian listening [17:11] true Unit193 :) [17:12] We are thinking about blueman IIRC [18:17] mr_pouit: BTW, I'm with you on no new upstreams, but I think the Debian packaging changes we should probably take unless you think multiarch will break stuff badly (in which case I guess we cherry pick the linker flag fixes) [21:25] micahg: no, I think it's ok to sync (I tested the helpers - open an url/a mailto from xfce4-terminal, and they still work) [21:26] ok, I'll try to get it all in for beta 2 then [21:26] micahg: and the xfce4-dev-tools sync won't cause any new rebuild iirc [21:26] (because only exo is ready for multiarch) [21:29] micahg: do you know if https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+localpackagediffs can be used for syncs? [21:29] (and is it buggy and will cause a massive autosync by accident? ;-) [21:29] s/and/or/ [21:29] mr_pouit: yes, it can, but syncpackage will now use that interface as well [21:29] oh, nice [21:29] the multiarch changes need an FFe [21:33] charlie-tca: Around? [21:42] I'm doing some syncs (libxfce4util, libxfcegui4 and xfce4-utils), and if I'm not too sleepy I'll prepare the bug report for exo (otherwise I'll do it tomorrow morning) [22:03] Unit193: I am back now [22:03] ~4.* enough for an install? The resize screen didn't tell me how large it was giving me [22:07] yes, we can install Xubuntu in 2. GB if the installer will run [22:08] I have done installs in 1.9 using the alternate image [22:08] You said something about it acting funny at ~3 I think? [22:09] If you are using the desktop image, and trying to install, ubiquity gives you issues when the drive size is less than 4.4GB, but you can actually install in 1.9 with a separate swap file of 192MB [22:09] without the swap file, it gets really cranky [22:10] oh, and it is slower, too [22:10] I only had issues with it not telling me how much space each was [22:11] I think it's supposed to be a "feature" though [22:12] wierd [22:13] weird [22:13] it should tell you, but maybe it is changed now [22:13] Is the alternate image working for you? [22:14] It gave me a missing kernel message today [22:14] Haven't testing that yet, going down the line of tests (Entire yesterday, resize today, etc) I could test 32bit though [22:14] That's great! [22:14] I will run alternate images tomorrow, just to verify what is working in them [22:15] So you would like me to run one? I just don't really have much more to mark down than "Pass" :/ [22:16] No, I will try both alternate images tomorrow [22:17] PASS is good! Most of the bugs that were real obvious got fixed [22:32] I have been updated xubuntu daily iso testing site to 13 october :P some1 could add there anything :] [22:35] There should be a form for each month [22:35] I show July, August, September there now [22:40] my bad [22:46] No problem. I will make it easier to find the right one