[13:48] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[13:49] <charlie-tca> Good afternoon, madnick 
[13:55] <davmor2> morning charlie-tca how's xubuntu going?
[13:56] <madnick> morning charlie-tca :)
[13:57] <charlie-tca> davmor2: Good morning! Things are looking very good right now
[14:00] <mr_pouit> hey
[14:01] <charlie-tca> Good morning, mr_pouit 
[14:04] <mr_pouit> micahg: have you started to work on xfce4-dev-tools? (I'm thinking of forgetting about multiarch for now, with the beta and final freeze coming soon, and with the ftbfs & bugfix releases to sync...)
[14:07] <mr_pouit> (also, the latest garcon release [0.1.9] contains many internal changes, I'm not sure it's very wise to update it at this point)
[14:19] <mr_pouit> and would remain: exo (fix ftbfs, and sync in o+1); gigolo, libxfce4util, libxfcegui4, xfce4-clipman-plugin, xfce4-dict, xfce4-fsguard-plugin and xfce4-utils (sync from unstable)
[14:19] <charlie-tca> I trust your judgement in this stuff
[14:20] <charlie-tca> Let's not break what we can't fix :)
[14:22] <mr_pouit> let's wait for micahg's opinion (if he has started to work on them, let's continue ;-)
[14:23] <charlie-tca> okay
[15:33] <cyphermox> hi, can I bring your attention to bug 844027; I'm concerned that dropping gnome-bluetooth to suggests as proposed would have it drop from the xubuntu image; there may be a need to change the seed file
[15:35] <cyphermox> AFAICT gnome-bluetooth isn't seeded explicitly, and instead is getting pulled by network-manager-gnome; I can fix this by sending a merge request, but I just want to make sure outside of any doubt that this is what we want :)
[15:35] <charlie-tca> cyphermox: we are looking at using blueman to configure bluetooth, since bluetooth now requires gnome-control-center to configure it. 
[15:36] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: do we need gnome-bluetooth?
[15:36] <cyphermox> good thing I asked then ;)
[15:36] <charlie-tca> We would prefer not to have to pull half of gnome3 to use bluetooth
[15:37] <cyphermox> fwiw, the upload I'll do to fix this will also include a fix for bug 606825
[15:38] <charlie-tca> We need mr_pouit or micahg to give us a reading here. They are much more knowledgeable than myself on these things
[15:39] <cyphermox> sure sure, no rush
[16:19] <micahg> mr_pouit: I test built exo last night, we at least need the -m fixes, I'd almost rather pull the whole thing in unless it's going to break in bad ways
[16:21] <micahg> cyphermox: we can seed it if we need it, that's not an issue, thanks
[16:21] <cyphermox> alright
[16:21] <cyphermox> micahg: thanks!
[16:57] <scott-work> charlie-tca: i wanted to say that i think xubuntu natty is a beautiful release, especially the themeing and panel layout
[16:58] <scott-work> i enjoy the simplistic window dressings as they are simplistically beautiful yet extremely functional
[16:59] <scott-work> i am setting up a six core machine to do video on and i am using xubuntu 11.04 as the base for it
[16:59] <scott-work> i have used xubuntu before (even natty) but i am especially enjoying setting up this machine with xubuntu this time
[17:00] <scott-work> i am keeping a log of the things that i have been changing and will submit it to the xubuntu-devel mailing list as suggestions within the coming week or so
[17:02] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[17:03] <charlie-tca> ochosi did the theme for natty and oneiric
[17:04] <scott-work> ochosi: good job on the natty theme!
[17:06] <scott-work> charlie-tca:  i was looking at bug 844027, are you considering change network applications?
[17:07] <charlie-tca> no, we are thinking bluetooth right now requires pulling in gnome3 for user configuration purposes
[17:07] <charlie-tca> so, we won't use gnome-control-center
[17:07] <charlie-tca> we will seed gnome-bluetooth if we decide to use it, but see no reason it has to be there at the present time
[17:08] <scott-work> ah, we don't want any bluetooth included by default since we really aren't a "desktop" distribution
[17:08] <charlie-tca> but don't people use bluetooth headsets for music?
[17:08] <charlie-tca> or am I confused again?
[17:09] <scott-work> hmmmm, perhaps
[17:09] <scott-work> but i don't think they are routinely used in studio settings
[17:10] <scott-work> i could be wrong however
[17:10] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I don't do much of anything with music, including listening to it anymore
[17:11] <Unit193> This also isn't Ubuntu Studio ;)
[17:11] <scott-work> i would posit that bluetooth headphones would be used more for pedestrian listening
[17:11] <scott-work> true Unit193  :)
[17:12] <Unit193> We are thinking about blueman IIRC
[18:17] <micahg> mr_pouit: BTW, I'm with you on no new upstreams, but I think the Debian packaging changes we should probably take unless you think multiarch will break stuff badly (in which case I guess we cherry pick the linker flag fixes)
[21:25] <mr_pouit> micahg: no, I think it's ok to sync (I tested the helpers - open an url/a mailto from xfce4-terminal, and they still work)
[21:26] <micahg> ok, I'll try to get it all in for beta 2 then
[21:26] <mr_pouit> micahg: and the xfce4-dev-tools sync won't cause any new rebuild iirc
[21:26] <mr_pouit> (because only exo is ready for multiarch)
[21:29] <mr_pouit> micahg: do you know if https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+localpackagediffs can be used for syncs?
[21:29] <mr_pouit> (and is it buggy and will cause a massive autosync by accident? ;-)
[21:29] <mr_pouit> s/and/or/
[21:29] <micahg> mr_pouit: yes, it can, but syncpackage will now use that interface as well
[21:29] <mr_pouit> oh, nice
[21:29] <micahg> the multiarch changes need an FFe
[21:33] <Unit193> charlie-tca: Around?
[21:42] <mr_pouit> I'm doing some syncs (libxfce4util, libxfcegui4 and xfce4-utils), and if I'm not too sleepy I'll prepare the bug report for exo (otherwise I'll do it tomorrow morning)
[22:03] <charlie-tca> Unit193: I am back now
[22:03] <Unit193> ~4.* enough for an install? The resize screen didn't tell me how large it was giving me
[22:07] <charlie-tca> yes, we can install Xubuntu in 2. GB if the installer will run
[22:08] <charlie-tca> I have done installs in 1.9 using the alternate image
[22:08] <Unit193> You said something about it acting funny at ~3 I think?
[22:09] <charlie-tca> If you are using the desktop image, and trying to install, ubiquity gives you issues when the drive size is less than 4.4GB, but you can actually install in 1.9 with a separate swap file of 192MB
[22:09] <charlie-tca> without the swap file, it gets really cranky
[22:10] <charlie-tca> oh, and it is slower, too
[22:10] <Unit193> I only had issues with it not telling me how much space each was
[22:11] <Unit193> I think it's supposed to be a "feature" though
[22:12] <charlie-tca> wierd
[22:13] <charlie-tca> weird
[22:13] <charlie-tca> it should tell you, but maybe it is changed now
[22:13] <charlie-tca> Is the alternate image working for you?
[22:14] <charlie-tca> It gave me a missing kernel message today
[22:14] <Unit193> Haven't testing that yet, going down the line of tests (Entire yesterday, resize today, etc) I could test 32bit though
[22:14] <charlie-tca> That's great!
[22:14] <charlie-tca> I will run alternate images tomorrow, just to verify what is working in them
[22:15] <Unit193> So you would like me to run one? I just don't really have much more to mark down than "Pass" :/
[22:16] <charlie-tca> No, I will try both alternate images tomorrow
[22:17] <charlie-tca> PASS is good! Most of the bugs that were real obvious got fixed
[22:32] <Olbi> I have been updated xubuntu daily iso testing site to 13 october :P some1 could add there anything :]
[22:35] <charlie-tca> There should be a form for each month
[22:35] <charlie-tca> I show July, August, September there now
[22:40] <Olbi> my bad
[22:46] <charlie-tca> No problem. I will make it easier to find the right one