=== Squt is now known as Sput [06:42] is Muon our package manager by default in 11.10? [06:43] downloading the 11.10 isos is so incredibly slow -- why didn't I start torrenting last week? [06:47] valorie: looking at kubuntu-desktop, I'd say "yes" [06:48] apachelogger: !! I found a job for you... http://www.mol.fi/paikat/Job.do?lang=fi&jobID=7776326&index=553&anchor=7776326 (scroll down for english) [06:49] (the job title says "Ice princess") :D [06:55] well, I've given up on my liveUSB etc. and am just making my netbook Oneiric [06:55] wish me luck [06:57] * valorie could be Mrs. Gingerbread [07:47] morning [08:07] morning bambee === lool- is now known as lool [09:01] jussi: I could do that [09:04] :D [09:17] debfx, yofel_: did someone fix startkde yet? [09:48] is there a doc on how to backport a package from sid to ubuntu? [09:48] (any version, really) [09:48] just replace the files? [09:52] danimo: depends on what version is in ubuntu and what version is in sid... if the ubuntu version diverges from debian you'd get the debian version the ubuntu version is based on, diff those two, then get the new debian version and apply the diff [09:52] no idea if we have documentation on that [09:52] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/Merging-and-Syncing that might be as close as it gets [09:52] apachelogger: ok [09:52] oh [09:52] danimo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging [09:52] apachelogger: I noticed that icecc needs some love. getting in touch with fabo [09:52] that seems more useful [09:53] see kde-packagers (performance related bugfix in kwin for kde 4.6), we could import this patch to kubuntu-ppa/ppa ... no? [09:53] danimo: I think the 11.10 icecc should be in line with debian again, natty might indeed need some love [09:53] bambee: see mail on kubuntu-devel :P [09:53] apachelogger: we have builders as old as 8.04 [09:54] apachelogger: (yay for backwards compat!) [09:54] oh dear [09:54] apachelogger: what can you do? [09:54] 8.04? I do not even think that is supported anymore :S [09:54] apachelogger: it's LTS [09:54] not for kubuntu :P [09:54] apachelogger: that's not relevant, we do not use any gui packages [09:54] apachelogger: they are purely builders [09:54] ah, fair enough then [09:54] apachelogger: "I think we have enough feedback to move the patch into Oneiric." ? [09:55] bambee: I should hope someone pushes it to the bzr branches [09:55] or more likely someone already did [09:55] * bambee checks [09:56] http://i.imgur.com/AsYcU.png :D :D [09:56] good times [09:56] apachelogger: but even sid/oneiric are missing icecc features in the init script [09:58] danimo: oh, you should definitely talk to fabo then [09:58] apachelogger: yepp, waiting for him to return from a meeting [09:59] kthx [09:59] apachelogger: kubuntu-ppa/ppa contains nothing about this fix. I will import it after dinner [09:59] bambee: you mean backport to versions older than natty? [10:00] or maybe we could import it to natty-updates... don't know (it's an important fix...) [10:01] or both [10:01] updates makes more sense IMHO [10:01] backports ppa will get the fix with 4.7.2 [10:11] debfx: thanks for the fix! [11:06] apachelogger: What's the deal for phonon-xine? Should it be removed? [11:06] yes [11:07] bambee: I think it's fine to push the kwin performance thing to kde 4.6.5 in the PPA. [11:08] apachelogger: Thanks. Will do. [11:19] ScottK: not in natty-updates ? some user might use archives and not the ppa :) [11:20] bambee: We need to get 4.6.5 into -updates. That's how we solve that. [11:20] ohh [11:20] right [11:20] I agree now [11:42] bambee, ScottK: someone needs to backport http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kde-workspace.git&a=commit&h=fc34fa863f7b61fd32ae6736be925db20bae950a [11:42] first step towards fixing root-only kcms [11:43] apachelogger: If only there were a Kubuntu developer that was familiar with the patch ... [11:44] * apachelogger is busy fixing systemsettings upstream [11:44] also I still have no flat [11:44] eeeh [11:44] * apachelogger needs a cig [11:48] apachelogger: Then it's fortunate that smoking is allowed under the bridge. [11:49] indeed [11:49] do we have any kcms other than partitionmanager and userconfig that need root? [11:51] Not that I know of, but there's legions of stuff I don't know, so take it FWIW. [12:14] apachelogger: nope, I haven't worked on startkde [12:20] ScottK: We're seeing progress from the sysadmins on that RT ticket :) [12:21] ryanakca: Excellent. [12:21] also http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kde-workspace.git&a=commit&h=a80fd773d376a715f5d1a5320b0a40c8e954d2da needs to be applied [12:28] ScottK: debfx: what about a FFe for Qt Creator 2.3.0? [12:29] debfx: have you disabled the QML Designer because it fails to build on armel? [12:31] fabo: If you think it's the right thing to do and have packages, have tested, etc, I'd say sounds reasonable. [12:33] bambee: do we have a FFe for bluedevil yet? [12:33] fabo: yes, we've disabled it on armel [12:35] https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTCREATORBUG-5547 [12:36] debfx: ok, it should be fixed in 2.3.0 [12:36] ScottK: I have the package ready and tested [12:37] need to check the arm build to make sure QTCREATORBUG-5547 is fixed [12:38] OK. [12:40] debfx: Generally we shouldn't remove a package from an architecture for temporary issues like that. Leaving it FTBFS is better so if the bug is fixed in an later upload you don't have to mess with the architecture list. [12:41] ScottK: which package are you talking about? [12:41] debfx: qtcreator. [12:41] Nevermind if I misunderstood what you said. [12:42] we haven't removed it, just disabled the qmldesigner plugin [12:43] Ah. [12:43] I see. [12:43] Nevermind me then. [12:43] * ScottK goes for more coffee. [12:45] +1 [12:45] for coffee [12:45] continue. [12:47] apachelogger: assuming I've assigned the FFe to the wrong project (just assuming :P), I need to re-assign it to the "ubuntu" project right? (there are too many ubuntu related project through launchpad :\) [12:48] * bambee has assigned the bug to "Launchpad itself" o.O [12:48] * bambee hides [12:48] bambee: at least now you can easily move stuff from project -> distro [12:50] * bambee blames himself [12:51] apachelogger: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/revision/564 [12:55] apachelogger: bug 849936 [12:55] Launchpad bug 849936 in Ubuntu "Feature Freeze Exception for bluedevil 1.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/849936 [12:56] * ScottK thought from the ML there were still some unresolved questions? [12:57] Ice creaming is working again on the arm boxen: ICECC[23972] 12:54:25: Compiled on 192.168.111.101 [13:01] is anyone interested in writing a script that generates rebuild uploads of the kde sc packages and pushes the changes to bzr? [13:01] otherwise we have to do that manually :/ [13:42] Who was working on digikam? IIRC we still need that one. [13:51] apachelogger: ping ping [13:51] so i hear you wanted a iCal parser [13:52] and oh [13:52] what is this i see [13:52] hackfests @ UDS ? [13:53] apachelogger: would it be acceptable to write a qt wrapper around libical? [14:08] debfx: cheers [14:08] shadeslayer: aye [14:08] shadeslayer: actually [14:09] shadeslayer: it might be even better to just us a javascript only solution [14:09] surely there is some js impl for turning ical into json objects [14:09] oh .. uh .. i'm not that well versed with js [14:09] which would be a good enough solution IMHO [14:09] there's a perl parser i can see [14:09] but thats pretty much it [14:10] http://code.google.com/p/ijp/ [14:10] ohk [14:11] interesting :D [14:11] not that it'd be the best solution [14:11] were just thinking yesterday [14:12] doing the parsing in JS might not be all the inefficient [14:12] apachelogger: i think C++ as the backend for the parser would be faster ... just a thought, no proof to back that theory [14:13] it certainly would be, but I am not sure it would be sufficent [14:13] I mean, if you can whip up a low effort ical wrapper that would just be fine [14:13] of course doing it in js has the advantage that we need not worry about a dependency [14:14] (FWIW libical is available on harmattan, but thinking about ultimate portability we'd have to have it available on other platforms) [14:14] (other platforms being mostly symbian ^^) [14:15] hmm [14:16] looking at the js ical parser I think we could just do the same in Qt [14:16] we do not need full ical support for UDS schedule [14:16] only need event support === bipolar_ is now known as bipolar [14:18] hmm [14:19] rdieter: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kde-workspace.git&a=commit&h=a80fd773d376a715f5d1a5320b0a40c8e954d2da http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kde-workspace.git&a=commit&h=fc34fa863f7b61fd32ae6736be925db20bae950a kevin was pulling a captain obvious earlier, so I am not sure he is going to move away from the weird rootonly stuff === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | Feature Freeze in effect - 11.10 Beta 1 Released | TODO: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-flavor-kubuntu.html | 4.7.1: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | Congratulations to bulldog98 [14:24] apachelogger: so what do you want me to do ? [14:24] select the best solution :P [14:24] and that library seems to have no active solution [14:25] s/solution/contributors/ [14:25] shadeslayer meant: "and that library seems to have no active contributors" [14:25] the one written in js [14:25] last release is in ... Feb 2008 @_@ [14:26] so? [14:26] RFCs are not changing very often :P [14:27] well, no, but what about bugs in the library? [14:27] we can fix em [14:27] or you start writing a Qt parser for ical :P [14:28] qt wrapper for libical you mean :P [14:28] nah [14:28] too fat [14:28] or do you mean design something from the ground up [14:28] just reimplement that js thing in Qt [14:28] heh, for that i'll need to read the RFC myself :P [14:28] as I said, we do not need the entire RFC [14:28] right [14:28] we only need to be able to parse events [14:29] the thing does not have to do anything but parse the events and spit out a qlist [14:39] apachelogger: thanks [15:23] fabo: Do you have an opinion on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=20;bug=640210 - I grepped the code a bit and it seems reasonable at a glance, but I'm no expert. [15:28] apachelogger: question, i'm not sure i understand the 'Convert the js library to Qt' part [15:28] if its a js lib, can't you directly use it in yer QML app [15:35] shadeslayer: if it were working :P [15:36] plus the code is a bit ewww [15:41] heh [15:47] ew ew ew [15:48] regex ... in js [15:53] shadeslayer: exactly [15:53] apachelogger: my eyes burn === bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98 [16:06] https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com//browse/QTBUG-14645 [16:06] lol [16:12] why does ubottu or kubotu not show a line for qt bugs? [16:12] shadeslayer: http://i.imgur.com/dvnrm.png [16:12] bulldog98: ENOTIMPLEMENTED [16:13] sweet [16:13] dreadfully slow though [16:13] oh [16:13] also interestingly enough the parser algorithm uses recursion for lists [16:19] apachelogger: I guess I should keep desktop-template-list in pkg-kde-tools for now so kde-l10n doesn't fall over it? [16:19] or you fix kde-l10n :P [16:20] yeah I'll fix it in bzr, but I don't want to upload all those packages for no reason [16:22] well [16:22] there surely will be another release ^^ [16:26] not during this cycle [16:30] does someone have an USB audio headset ? [16:33] it works perfectly on natty with a great sound , however on oneiric I get strange sizzles :\ [16:41] shadeslayer: http://i.imgur.com/zap0I.png [16:42] ok [16:42] show me the code [16:42] you really dont wanna see [16:42] hahaha [16:42] apachelogger: but i want to :P [16:43] shadeslayer: run before you see it, run :) [16:43] apachelogger: are you using that js lib> [16:45] parts of it [16:45] shadeslayer: kde:scratch/sitter/uds-qml [16:45] you better clone from git.kde.org as anongit apparently takes some time [16:46] right [16:46] * apachelogger needs to buy cigs [16:46] *cough* qmake *cough* [16:47] shadeslayer: btw a simple readwhile parser would be way better than all the regex there [16:48] ical has a block begin and end line, so you can simply do while (!blockend) parseLine(line) [16:48] or something similar, that really can be done in way more readable code [16:48] also using qobject you can do arbitary property injection if you want to [16:48] though since we have a limited use case static Q_PROPERTIES would be totally sufficient [16:48] anyhow [16:48] -> [16:51] heh [16:52] apachelogger: file:///home/shadeslayer/kde/uds-qml/build/qml/ubuntudevelopersummit/main.qml:1:1: module "QtQuick" version 1.1 is not installed [16:54] ah [16:55] yofel_: time to update project-neon-qt [17:05] shadeslayer: mind that you will also need the meego qt components [17:05] along with the artwork (which is tricky to get unless you have either the emulator or a harmattan device) [17:05] fooey [17:10] well [17:10] easy enough to solve [17:10] just write a desktop ui :P [17:10] oh, actually [17:10] * apachelogger whips one up [17:10] i be QML nub [17:11] and as much as i like the entire UI ... somehow js isn't really something i forsee learning :P [17:11] shadeslayer: push'd [17:12] * apachelogger points out that qml != javascript [17:12] sure, but most of it is :P [17:13] in qml you do not use half the stuff of javascript [17:13] since you do the business logic in cpp anyway [17:13] so what is left is the declarative markup and maybe a couple of signal handlers [17:13] now I could really use a design idea [17:13] shadeslayer: you tell me design idea [17:14] hmm ... well, you could do a grid like thing [17:14] and then when you touch a grid box, you get a list view of all the events for that day [17:14] hm [17:14] as for what is actually shown in the grid boxes, i'm not swure what info we should sho [17:14] also a grid? [17:14] I mean [17:15] there are 3 relevant data as I see it [17:15] a) the day [17:15] b) the room [17:15] c) the track [17:15] time? [17:15] well, day == time [17:15] ah ok [17:15] i'll bbiab, need to run a errand [17:20] bulldog98: congratulations on getting membership, sorry I missed the meeting [17:26] apachelogger: right, but then if you represent the all days in boxes, what info do you display in the box itself apart from the date? [17:29] shadeslayer: I do not follow [17:31] hold on [17:33] apachelogger: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.8-snapshot/images/gridview-simple.png << we would have something like that right? [17:33] why? [17:34] we can have whatever we want [17:34] true that [17:35] I do however believe that a calendar like view might make most sense [18:02] http://i.imgur.com/9Pwty.png [18:06] nice [18:18] !find pull-lp-package [18:18] brr [18:18] Package/file pull-lp-package does not exist in natty [18:19] Riddell: kthx [18:20] * bulldog98 needs a hook for finding an host to build on [18:20] bulldog98: host to build on? [18:21] what does that mean? :P [18:21] shadeslayer: I have tree pc and all three should build one package each, so I need a hook or script to get a free host and run pbuilder on it [18:22] would speedup my packaging nearly 3 times [18:22] or .. you could hook all of them together with icecc and speed up the builds [18:22] shadeslayer: doesn’t work if main is amd64 and others are i386 [18:22] ah [18:22] fooey [18:23] * bulldog98 guesses there is a bug either in icecc or pbuilder [18:23] and I reported that as debian bug [18:26] nice rebuilding for natty gives lots of missing in symbols [18:28] probably because of different gcc versions [18:28] could be. I just patch that stuff in and check if something rdepends on it [18:29] and is not rebuild [18:29] and where is Quintasan these days? [18:29] shadeslayer: Microsoft send guys to cut his inet off [18:29] oh .. [18:30] :) [18:30] * shadeslayer dispatches some penguins to ward off the MS people [18:30] no some workers did something wrong and he has no access [18:30] ouch [18:30] shadeslayer: they’ll need some time until they are near Quintasan [18:31] shadeslayer: 640199@bugs.debian.org [18:32] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640199 [18:32] Debian bug 640199 in icecc "icecc builds local if building in an i386 pbuilder on amd64 and useing ccache" [Normal,Open] [18:32] right, sawn [18:33] * shadeslayer shakes his fist at rfc 5245 [18:34] !search rfc 5245 [18:34] Found: [18:34] heh [18:35] ~google rfc 5245 [18:35] Results for rfc 5245: 1. RFC 5245 - Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE): A Protocol ...: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5245 | 2. RFC 5245 on Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE): A ...: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg07383.html | 3. Information on RFC 5245: http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc5245 [18:35] nice kubotu, bad ubottu [18:35] I have to ask. Is Kubuntu going to have an accessible installer this cycle, or did it get postponed to LTS? [18:36] fregl: ping ^ [18:44] ScottK, kdelibs active-development branch merged into KDE/4.7 :-D [18:45] ScottK, we don't need to separate the dev packages anymore [18:45] Well, that seems to break compatiblity a bit, but OK. [18:45] ScottK, notmart is working to merge kde-runtime active-development [18:45] OK. [18:45] When will it be done? [18:51] ScottK, he made the kdelibs today [18:52] Beta 2 freeze is tomorrow. [18:52] ScottK, and already started kde-runtime [18:52] charlie-tca: I don't think maco ended up getting a lot done on that. [18:52] Okay, There's always next cycle [18:53] back when the installer didnt run i had time :P [19:03] !find soprano [19:03] Found: libsmokesoprano-dev, libsmokesoprano3, libsmokesopranoclient3, libsmokesopranoserver3, libsoprano-dbg, libsoprano-dev, libsoprano-doc, libsoprano2.0-cil, libsoprano4, soprano-daemon (and 2 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=soprano&searchon=names&suite=natty§ion=all [19:04] !find libsoprano-dev [19:04] Found: libsoprano-dev [19:04] !show libsoprano-dev [19:04] Sorry, I don't know anything about show libsoprano-dev [19:04] !help [19:04] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [19:05] !man [19:05] The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the command line, or see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal | Manpages online: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/ [19:05] doesn’t ubottu has a man page? [19:07] bulldog98: its a suppybot i think [19:07] or sth thats spelled like that [19:07] !find suppybot [19:07] Package/file suppybot does not exist in natty [19:07] !info supybot [19:08] supybot (source: supybot): robust and user friendly Python IRC bot. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.83.4.1.ds-2 (natty), package size 430 kB, installed size 2676 kB [19:08] !ubottu, tell bulldog98 about yourself [19:08] bulldog98, please see my private message [19:08] bulldog98: ^ [19:08] shadeslayer: I simply want to get to know the version of a package in natty [19:08] bulldog98: use !info [19:08] bulldog98: just use !info PACKAGENAME [19:08] charlie-tca: hah, that as neat [19:09] !info libsoprano-dev [19:09] libsoprano-dev (source: soprano): development files for the Soprano RDF framework. In component main, is extra. Version 2.5.63+dfsg.1-0ubuntu1.1 (natty), package size 107 kB, installed size 1376 kB [19:09] * shadeslayer forgot what he was doing [19:09] Those !info things are always for the latest release, so if you need a different one, add it after package [19:09] !info libsoprano-dev lucid [19:09] ah right, kde-wallpapers [19:10] libsoprano-dev (source: soprano): development files for the Soprano RDF framework. In component main, is extra. Version 2.4.2+dfsg.1-0ubuntu1.1 (lucid), package size 109 kB, installed size 1364 kB [19:10] charlie-tca: can we get the info for the current development release in the devel channels? [19:10] yes [19:10] just add oneiric instead of lucid [19:11] charlie-tca: my question was, can oneiric be made default for devel channels? [19:11] oh [19:11] I don' [19:11] today is not my day to phrase questions/replies [19:11] I don't know, most people prefer not to have the development release there [19:11] * bulldog98 thinks he also has to backport soprano to get pykde4 compiling [19:12] ah, in that case, chuck it [19:13] shadeslayer: should I adjust the dep in bzr? [19:14] bulldog98: if it builds with older soprano, then yes [19:14] bulldog98: if cmake says you *need* newer soprano, i can backport it right now [19:17] hmm [19:17] shadeslayer: cmake doesn’t says that, but that’s what I read from the buildlog [19:18] bulldog98: can you pastebin this somewhere? I don't understand what you're trying to do :) [19:18] like i said, today is not my day :P [19:19] shadeslayer: I’m trying that, but batpaste laggs [19:19] or my inet [19:19] bulldog98: use kpaste :P [19:19] shadeslayer: where is it in? [19:19] alias kpaste='pastebinit -b http://paste.kde.org' [19:21] shadeslayer: nice [19:22] shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/689457/ [19:23] bulldog98: -- Found Soprano: /usr/include .. looks just fine [19:24] shadeslayer: look to the place, where the build fails [19:24] aw [19:25] this needs to be fixed in pykde as well [19:25] because CMake should fail if it can't find proper version [19:26] bulldog98: soprano needs backport, which is a PITA itself [19:26] bulldog98: http://paste.kde.org/121411/ [19:28] shadeslayer: I should patch batpaste to be something like that: http://paste.kde.org/121417 [19:28] and nice log [19:28] maybe we should patch batpaste to be something like the above [19:29] hehe [19:29] bulldog98: lets look at that over the weekend then [19:29] then I could also unify the completion into _pasteing and add #compdef batpaste kpaste [19:30] shadeslayer: I’m not at home on Saturday [19:30] oh ok, Monday then [19:31] * bulldog98 has lots of time on Monday [19:33] shadeslayer: don’t hurry with the backport pykde isn’t that important [19:33] perlqt is neither [19:33] bulldog98: thats alright, i'm taking my time :P [19:33] found the issue tho [19:34] so marble is up [19:34] will upload in a couple of minutes if it builds fine [19:34] mean while I’ll upload kde-baseapps [19:36] btw couldn’t we split the packaging into to tables and include them? [19:36] wiki Packaging TODO [19:37] note to myself add an -b option to kgetsource (for backporting -> set different release etc) [19:37] bonkers : /usr/include/rasqal/rasqal.h:910:81: error: 'raptor_message_handler' has not been declared [19:37] !info librasqal2 oneiric [19:37] Package librasqal2 does not exist in oneiric [19:38] !info librasqal3-dev [19:38] Package librasqal3-dev does not exist in natty [19:38] !info librasqal3-dev oneiric [19:38] librasqal3-dev (source: rasqal): Rasqal RDF query library development libraries and headers. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.26-1 (oneiric), package size 231 kB, installed size 836 kB [19:38] there we go [19:38] that needs a backport now [19:39] bulldog98: i'm off to sleep, cya [19:39] shadeslayer: cya and good sleep [19:39] will look at this on friday since i have 0 time tomorrow [19:40] ciao === bulldog98 is now known as bulldog98_ === bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98 [20:29] apachelogger: do you want to the keep the SVNURL and SVNREV stuff in the debian/rules file of kde-l10n? [20:30] it's only used by the get-desktop targets but there is also an empty get-messages [20:33] better leave it there [20:33] you never know when we need it again [20:41] yofel_: again new digikam release http://www.digikam.org/drupal/node/624 [21:21] We need to get digikam 2.0 at least. [21:31] !info ttf-me-quran [21:31] Package ttf-me-quran does not exist in natty [21:31]