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| andy7534211 | so i made a PPA, but it was the first one i've made and it got all goofed up | 05:11 |
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| andy7534211 | so then i deleted it so i could re-create it from scratch | 05:11 |
| andy7534211 | except launchpad kind of acted like i deleted it, but really didn't because it still shows up and i can't create a new one with the same name? | 05:12 |
| andy7534211 | is there any way to *actually* delete it, or does it do that automatically after a week or so? | 05:13 |
| maxb_ | andy7534211: No... it never gets deleted. Sorry. | 05:15 |
| wgrant | PPA deletion as it stands now exists mainly to let people rename their accounts. | 05:16 |
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| wgrant | It could be taken further, but there wasn't an urgent need. | 05:16 |
| wgrant | And it's a lot harder to do a full deletion. | 05:16 |
| andy7534211 | hm, and no way to rename or move the deleted ppa? | 05:18 |
| wgrant | Sadly not. It would be easy to automatically rename them to something else upon deletion, if you file a bug requesting that. | 05:19 |
| andy7534211 | alright | 05:19 |
| wgrant | It's all pretty complicated, as we have to deal with stuff on disk under ppa.launchpad.net, as well as copies to and from other PPAs. | 05:20 |
| wgrant | So unrestricted deleting/renaming is problematic. | 05:20 |
| wgrant | But once the deletion is complete, we can automatically rename to something that's unlikely to conflict. | 05:20 |
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| andy7534211 | file against "Launchpad itself"? | 05:22 |
| wgrant | That's the one. | 05:22 |
| wgrant | https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug | 05:22 |
| andy7534211 | wgrant: would it also be easy to just recreate/reactivate the ppa? | 05:28 |
| wgrant | andy7534211: Ummm, sort of. It will work if you add /+edit to the URL and turn the Publish and Enabled flags back on. | 05:29 |
| wgrant | It's not supported, but it will work. | 05:29 |
| andy7534211 | yikes, that was easy.. i think | 05:30 |
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| mrevell | Hi | 07:58 |
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| dpm | morning henninge, could you give me a hand with language packs? It seems that the Oneiric language pack exports from last Thursday and yesterday didn't happen -> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+language-packs | 09:13 |
| dpm | or jtv? ^ | 09:17 |
| jtv | dpm: I'm more or less committed for the rest of the day I'm afraid. :/ | 09:18 |
| dpm | jtv, no worries, thanks | 09:18 |
| dpm | if anyone else could give a hand, that'd be great. We're nearing the second beta and it would be good to have working language packs | 09:19 |
| henninge | dpm: did you request a full language pack? | 09:25 |
| wgrant | henninge, dpm: Do you know when it was running? | 09:25 |
| wgrant | If it takes several or 24 hours, that's going to be difficult to do except over weekends. | 09:26 |
| henninge | wgrant: it starts at 22 utc | 09:26 |
| henninge | because of the roll-outs? | 09:26 |
| dpm | wgrant, henninge, I did not request a full export (the checkbox is not ticked on that page ^) | 09:26 |
| wgrant | Right, the DB disappears for 2 minutes every couple of days. | 09:26 |
| dpm | the two exports that are missing are delta exports, which do not take as near as long as full exports (which iirc take ~16 hours) | 09:28 |
| henninge | dpm: it does not really matter, the db reloads will kill it anyway. | 09:28 |
| wgrant | Ah, I see two failed langpack runs here... | 09:28 |
| wgrant | Let me see.. | 09:28 |
| henninge | yes, just found them, too. | 09:29 |
| wgrant | DisconnectionError: server closed the connection unexpectedly | 09:29 |
| wgrant | As expected. | 09:29 |
| wgrant | Interesting. | 09:29 |
| wgrant | Looks like they'd been going for 16.5 hours? | 09:30 |
| henninge | dpm, wgrant: the last full export was quite a while ago | 09:31 |
| henninge | so, the delta will be quite large. | 09:31 |
| wgrant | So, if you'd requested one yesterday it would probably have been OK, since we (unpredictably) didn't have downtime tonight. | 09:32 |
| wgrant | If they take less than 48 hours, the weekend should be safe... | 09:32 |
| henninge | the last deta only took 8 hours | 09:33 |
| henninge | wgrant: they are on a schedule | 09:33 |
| henninge | dpm: can you please file a bug to make the language pack export restartable? It needs to be able to pick up where it left off. | 09:34 |
| henninge | Not sure that is easily possible, though. | 09:34 |
| dpm | wgrant, exports happen automatically on a cron job - https://dev.launchpad.net/Translations/LanguagePackSchedule. Full exports need to be requested through that page ^, but are also started according to the schedule | 09:36 |
| dpm | henninge, sure, give me a minute. However, what changed recently? Scheduled delta exports used to work until last week at least | 09:36 |
| henninge | dpm: last week we started to restart the database a few times a week. | 09:37 |
| henninge | wgrant: but we have a fairly fixed time for when that happens, right? | 09:37 |
| henninge | jtv: do you remember the specific reason to star language pack export at 22 UTC? | 09:38 |
| dpm | hm, so what can we do to ensure the langpacks are exported in the meantime, assuming that the bug to restart langpacks might take a while to get fixed? | 09:38 |
| henninge | I think the quickest solution would be to have them start right after the database restart window. | 09:38 |
| jtv | henninge: it used to be later, but we moved it forward a bit to ensure that it completed before langpack-o-matic runs. | 09:38 |
| henninge | ok, but we could move langpack-o-matic, too | 09:39 |
| jtv | We can if needed, yes, but it involves coordinating across teams. | 09:39 |
| henninge | jtv, dpm: when and where does langpack-o-matic run? Who controls that? | 09:39 |
| wgrant | henninge: 0830UTC | 09:39 |
| dpm | henninge, it's on the schedule ^ | 09:40 |
| wgrant | henninge: That's fastdowntime. | 09:40 |
| henninge | right | 09:40 |
| wgrant | The window is 0830-0835 | 09:40 |
| wgrant | We do occasionally run a minute over. | 09:40 |
| dpm | henninge, pitti or myself can adjust the langpack-o-matic runs | 09:40 |
| henninge | so if we start at 9UTC and the runs take under 23 hours, we are safe. | 09:40 |
| henninge | wgrant: that's ok ;-) | 09:40 |
| wgrant | "The timing is chosen so we hit the times when we usually expect the lowest load. Most of the translation work happens in Europe, South America and Asia, and 22:00 UTC should mean less load on LP due to translation activity. With DB slaves, though, this is probably not something we should worry about." | 09:41 |
| wgrant | Given that we are well under DB capacity, I agree with the last sentence. | 09:41 |
| dpm | wgrant, henninge - ok, so you suggest we should move the start times for the language pack export jobs in LP and adjust the langpack-o-matic builds accordingly? | 09:42 |
| wgrant | That would be my recommendation, but I'd also strongly suggest prioritisation of optimisations :) | 09:43 |
| henninge | yes, that is the only short-term solution I can see. | 09:43 |
| henninge | wgrant: come again? ;) | 09:43 |
| wgrant | henninge: You have two days left, you can do it! | 09:43 |
| henninge | ha! | 09:43 |
| nigelb | heh | 09:43 |
| nigelb | 48 hours should be just about enough :P | 09:44 |
| henninge | dpm: I will have to relocate now but will go about moving the jobs when I am back online. | 09:49 |
| dpm | thanks henninge, here's bug 849829 | 09:50 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 849829 in Launchpad itself "Language pack exports need to be restartable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/849829 | 09:50 |
| dpm | wgrant, could you confirm if the langpack export started yesterday at 22:00UTC is still running? | 09:52 |
| wgrant | dpm: If one started, it should be running. | 09:52 |
| nigelb | Wasn't there downtime today? | 09:52 |
| wgrant | We didn't interrupt them 1.5 hours ago. | 09:52 |
| wgrant | No. | 09:52 |
| wgrant | buildbot was broken, so we couldn't deploy. | 09:52 |
| wgrant | I don't have a failure email from yesterday's, either. | 09:52 |
| wgrant | So it is probably still running. | 09:52 |
| wgrant | a LOSA could confirm. | 09:52 |
| dpm | how do I get a losa to confirm? | 09:53 |
| wgrant | LOSA ping: could you please check if there's a language-pack-exporter.py from yesterday still running on loganberry? | 09:54 |
| jtv | wgrant: you're thinking #-ops | 09:54 |
| wgrant | Oh? | 09:54 |
| wgrant | LOSAs live here too, and taking the discussion to -ops hardly seems productive. | 09:54 |
| mthaddon | wgrant: no lang pack export running on loganberry or ackee | 09:55 |
| wgrant | Hm. | 09:55 |
| wgrant | Maybe it finished. | 09:55 |
| wgrant | I don't have an error email. | 09:55 |
| wgrant | Thanks mthaddon. | 09:55 |
| dpm | thanks mthaddon | 09:57 |
| mthaddon | np | 09:57 |
| dpm | wgrant, not sure it finished, it's not listed in there: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+language-packs | 09:57 |
| wgrant | dpm: http://paste.ubuntu.com/689029/ | 10:00 |
| wgrant | Yesterday's run was for natty. | 10:00 |
| dpm | wgrant, ah, yes I confused the build day with the export day. I was thinking of Oneiric, so it seems the Oneiric export on Monday was interrupted and didn't happen | 10:02 |
| wgrant | dpm: Right, there have been interruptions at 0830UTC every weekday since last Thursday, except today. | 10:05 |
| wgrant | Amusingly enough, today was the one day it would have been OK. | 10:06 |
| dpm | oh well... | 10:06 |
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| Sweetsha1k | is there an easy way to query launchpad for an upstream bug (i.e. 'also affects project') | 12:44 |
| Sweetsha1k | ? | 12:45 |
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| abentley | matsubara: branch scanner oopes aren't showing up in the oops viewer, e.g. OOPS-2076SMS9, OOPS-2075SMS15, OOPS-2075SMS17 | 14:18 |
| ubot5 | https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=2076SMS9 | 14:18 |
| ubot5 | https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=2075SMS15 | 14:18 |
| ubot5 | https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=2075SMS17 | 14:18 |
| matsubara | abentley, yep, danilos told me about it yesterday. I'm still debugging the issue and filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/oops-tools/+bug/849446 for it | 14:19 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 849446 in OOPS Tools "dir_finder script not finding some oops directories" [Undecided,New] | 14:19 |
| abentley | matsubara: great. | 14:19 |
| abentley | matsubara: you know that they moved the branch scanner to ackee recently, right? | 14:20 |
| matsubara | abentley, nope. that shouldn't be a problem though. it's likely there's a bug in the dir_finder script which is making it fail to find the new directories | 14:21 |
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| danilos | matsubara, fwiw, could the problem be the fact there are "duplicate" directories for the same OOPS type (i.e. loganberry-bzr-syncd/branch-scanner and ackee-bzrsyncd/branch-scanner)? | 15:15 |
| matsubara | danilos, not sure. the dir_finder code isn't supposed to take that into account | 15:20 |
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| deryck | over to you, abentley..... | 17:11 |
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| abentley | deryck: ack | 17:12 |
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| head_victim | Is there anyway to reset the quota for direct contact of other launchpad users? | 21:59 |
| head_victim | I'm contacting several users on behalf of a team and need to contact 4 more :/ | 21:59 |
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