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| asac | we have problems getting http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/mcgrof/firmware/ath6k.tar.gz :) ... wonder if we have that in any ubuntu firmware package in archive? | 07:44 |
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| asac | found it in linux-firmware (obviously) ... thanks | 07:51 |
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| apw | Trying 2a01:450:10:1::10... | 09:46 |
| Kano | hi, since 2 weeks no updates to mainline kernel. why cant somebody change the git repo? | 10:04 |
| apw | Kano, hadn't considered it, we have enough problems due to that breakin as it is | 10:08 |
| Kano | couldnt be a huge change in your script i think | 10:08 |
| Kano | also i forgot how to update the kernel config with your package, something with update-config or so? | 10:09 |
| apw | probabally not even a change there, probabally only need to change the remote url | 10:09 |
| apw | fakeroot debian/rules updateconfigs | 10:09 |
| Kano | ah | 10:09 |
| Kano | i did a grep in the rules and did not find it | 10:10 |
| Kano | also i had to remove the dpkg >... depend, why is that there? | 10:10 |
| Kano | hmm, maybe fix your target | 10:11 |
| Kano | debian/scripts/misc/kernelconfig: line 130: /root/kernel/linux-3.0.0/debian/scripts/misc/splitconfig.pl: Permission denied | 10:11 |
| Kano | in your release package | 10:11 |
| apw | thats a 'problem' introduced by the orig+patch format for debian | 10:12 |
| apw | those are not really intended for use against the package but in the git repo | 10:12 |
| apw | where the permissions are honoured | 10:12 |
| Kano | chmod 755 there | 10:12 |
| Kano | same for config-check | 10:12 |
| apw | yep, you simply cannot represent that in the package | 10:13 |
| Kano | but you can add that in the rules | 10:13 |
| apw | patch does not carry executable information at all, and can not do so | 10:13 |
| Kano | thats not impossible | 10:13 |
| apw | yeah, but we never use it that way ever, its not our process model, so we'd never notice | 10:14 |
| apw | the normal debian way is not chmod, but to change it to like $(PERL) script or $(SHELL) script | 10:14 |
| Kano | well then use that | 10:15 |
| apw | or i could spend my time fixing cves | 10:15 |
| apw | its a priority thing, its not a priority as noone working they way we intend would ever hit it | 10:15 |
| apw | and they will hit the cves | 10:15 |
| apw | but we'd happily accept a patch if someone figured out all the places it is needed | 10:16 |
| Kano | what was the reason to add dpkg >..? | 10:16 |
| Kano | not mentioned in changelog | 10:17 |
| apw | in which release | 10:17 |
| Kano | oneric | 10:18 |
| apw | UBUNTU: [Config] Make linux-libc-dev coinstallable under multiarch | 10:18 |
| Kano | ok, i dont build that, can ignore that | 10:19 |
| Kano | it build still too much, like tools/source/doc with emtpy packages | 10:20 |
| apw | yep, we only turn those off for debugging builds, and its simpler to handle the empty packages than add a bunch of handling to the control file generation to turn them off | 10:20 |
| Kano | i would prefer when they would not build at all when i disable em | 10:21 |
| Kano | i dont see those in mainline too | 10:21 |
| apw | right in mainline i use the uber-complex 'rm' command to remove them before syncing them out | 10:22 |
| Kano | well if you have got free time maybe consider em not to build | 10:23 |
| apw | i have considered it, i have even got patches to do it, and it makes the rules vile and complex | 10:23 |
| apw | for something we never use | 10:23 |
| apw | and afterall they are our packages to build our kernel not all things to all men | 10:24 |
| Kano | well they would be more usefull | 10:24 |
| Kano | i always try to write scripts as generic as possible | 10:25 |
| cking | generic for whom? | 10:25 |
| apw | so do we but at some point one has to trade genericity for maintainability | 10:26 |
| apw | we have to maintain them for years against old kernels and that is not free | 10:26 |
| Kano | well i just want to script all changes i need against your packages | 10:27 |
| apw | so what you are saying is, its too much effort for you to fix the packaging, but you think we should | 10:28 |
| Kano | well you know the packageing | 10:28 |
| apw | indeed, so which is more important for your kernel | 10:29 |
| apw | having pretty packaging that allows a derivative to build easily, or having CVEs fixed in your kernle | 10:29 |
| apw | as right now, that is what you are stopping me doing | 10:29 |
| Kano | well i mainly use that for live mode, i need mainline builds... | 10:29 |
| Kano | for the hd installs | 10:29 |
| Kano | i write a tiny script for every kernel update, but there is no update | 10:31 |
| Kano | daily is of course always the same script | 10:31 |
| apw | yep the entire kernel.org infrastucture being compromised has been a huge problem | 10:32 |
| apw | not least because it has _prioritised_ security fixes above _ALL_ELSE_ | 10:32 |
| apw | now i wonder why that would be | 10:32 |
| Kano | you mean for the older kernels? | 10:35 |
| Kano | the latest is on github, that should be no problem to build rc6/daily | 10:36 |
| apw | yep, indeed and i'll put it on my todo list | 10:43 |
| Kano | is armel somehow differently handled? not that i would use it but | 10:57 |
| Kano | http://paste.debian.net/129942/ | 10:59 |
| apw | no its not handled differently | 11:01 |
| Kano | why is there no 1000 hz for it then | 11:02 |
| apw | perhaps because it can't do 1000Hz ? | 11:03 |
| Kano | maybe | 11:03 |
| cking | 1000Hz for arm is a bit excessive isn't it? | 11:03 |
| apw | 1000HZ == 10% powerformance cost too | 11:03 |
| Kano | what bootloader is used on arm? | 11:09 |
| apw | depends on the board they are all different pretty much | 11:12 |
| Kano | the wireless-cdra package is weird, it has got no depends but | 12:16 |
| Kano | crda: error while loading shared libraries: libnl-genl.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 12:16 |
| apw | sounds like a bug to me | 12:16 |
| AnAnt | Hello | 12:19 |
| AnAnt | I am developing a kernel module under Ubuntu, sometimes this module causes the PC to freeze, is there a way to get dmesg (or whatever debug info) output over the network ? | 12:20 |
| apw | AnAnt, netconsole might do it, depending how hard it freezes | 12:20 |
| AnAnt | apw: how about serial port (note, the PC does not have a serial port, but I can use a USB/serial converter) | 12:22 |
| apw | usb serial can work sometimes, again depending on how hard the kernel is crashing | 12:22 |
| tgardner | apw, need to bounce gomeisa for kernel update | 12:58 |
| apw | tgardner, ACK now is as good a time as any | 13:00 |
| AnAnt | apw: thanks | 13:02 |
| apw | tgardner, let me know when its done i have some builds pending | 13:02 |
| tgardner | apw, its bouncing, should be back up in 90 seconds or so | 13:02 |
| AnAnt | apw: how to do it on serial ? | 13:03 |
| apw | AnAnt, usb serial? | 13:03 |
| AnAnt | apw: yes | 13:03 |
| apw | just add console=ttyUSBN I think | 13:03 |
| AnAnt | ok, thanks | 13:04 |
| AnAnt | apw: so I can only set the serial console during boot? | 13:05 |
| apw | i believe so ... never heard of any way to add them | 13:05 |
| AnAnt | apw: ok, thanks a lot | 13:07 |
| * ogasawara back in 20 | 13:30 | |
| cking | apw, git://kernel.ubuntu.com/cking/pmdebug.git --> systemtap/s3.stp led_flash() | 13:33 |
| ppisati | herton: lucid was respinned, and the reverted patchset was only the i915, right? i'll invalidate all the derivative arm lucid bug trackers | 13:41 |
| herton | ppisati: yep | 13:42 |
| apw | $ ps -ef | grep gcc | wc -l | 14:10 |
| apw | 282 | 14:10 |
| apw | $ ps -ef | grep cc1 | wc -l | 14:10 |
| apw | 41 | 14:10 |
| hallyn | so is there a non-kernel.org mirror of Linus' tree right now? | 14:29 |
| apw | hallyn, yes | 14:29 |
| hallyn | Need to base some patches on it to send upstream... | 14:29 |
| apw | git://github.com/torvalds/linux | 14:30 |
| hallyn | apw: great, thanks | 14:30 |
| ogasawara | ubuntu-oneiric$ git push origin :Ubuntu-P-sync | 14:49 |
| ogasawara | remote: *** Deleting a tag is not allowed in this repository | 14:49 |
| ogasawara | remote: error: hook declined to update refs/tags/Ubuntu-P-sync | 14:49 |
| ogasawara | To git+ssh://zinc.canonical.com/srv/kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-oneiric.git | 14:49 |
| ogasawara | ! [remote rejected] Ubuntu-P-sync (hook declined) | 14:49 |
| ubot2` | ogasawara: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 14:49 |
| ogasawara | error: failed to push some refs to 'git+ssh://zinc.canonical.com/srv/kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-oneiric.git' | 14:49 |
| ogasawara | apw: ^^ I assume that's due to the new restrictions in our repo? | 14:50 |
| apw | ogasawara, yeah, hmmm, thats neither a signed tag, nor is updating them allowed ... hmmm ... push it as a branch for now perhaps | 14:53 |
| ogasawara | apw: ack | 14:53 |
| apw | we can likely just add an exception for that tag namespace | 14:54 |
| apw | :q | 14:56 |
| * apw punches unity in the face repeatedly ... _do_not_paste_my_output_in_the_wrong_window_that_might_be_my_password_ | 14:57 | |
| _ruben | :q is your password? good to know :) | 14:58 |
| ogasawara | heh | 14:58 |
| apw | heh luckily not, but it might be safest if it was | 14:58 |
| _ruben | ;) | 14:58 |
| apw | "smb, what time is it there?" would make a good password | 14:58 |
| hallyn | hm, laptop isn't even that hot, but just shut itself down... | 15:09 |
| hallyn | nothing in syslog | 15:09 |
| apw | hallyn, how quickly | 15:18 |
| apw | and its not suspended is it? | 15:19 |
| hallyn | no, it just acted as though i'd hit the power button | 15:19 |
| apw | we seem to have a new suspend on idle on AC | 15:19 |
| hallyn | it also wasn't idle, i was in the middle of typing :) | 15:19 |
| apw | so ... like you pressed it (full shutdown messages) or like you held it | 15:19 |
| hallyn | like i held it | 15:19 |
| hallyn | no shutdown msg | 15:19 |
| hallyn | nothing in syslog at all for several mins before booting up | 15:20 |
| apw | hallyn, running what release, which kernel | 15:20 |
| hallyn | oneiric, uptodate | 15:20 |
| apw | not see that, no | 15:20 |
| hallyn | thermal0/temp is showing 84000 - whatever that means | 15:20 |
| apw | could be anything, likely as not 84c | 15:20 |
| apw | but hte units are not easy to determine at times | 15:21 |
| hallyn | I've had this happen once or twice before, but when it was much hotter, and I do believe that file was around 100 when i rebooted | 15:21 |
| apw | 105 is a common 'i am turning of NOW' value | 15:21 |
| hallyn | i think i once deduced it actually did correspond to degrees celsius, don't recall how/why | 15:21 |
| apw | indeed they are often listed in /proc/<somewhere> | 15:21 |
| apw | cking, where is the thermal trip stuff hidden in proc ? | 15:22 |
| cking | apw - i'm on a call at the mo | 15:22 |
| hallyn | serge@sergelap:/sys/devices/virtual/thermal/thermal_zone0$ cat trip_point_0_temp | 15:22 |
| hallyn | 98000 | 15:22 |
| apw | ahh there you go then, but if you are at 84c that in of itself is worrying | 15:22 |
| apw | are you fanning? | 15:22 |
| hallyn | I'm down to 70 now | 15:22 |
| hallyn | yeah, fan is always goin gon this thing | 15:23 |
| apw | thinkpad ? | 15:23 |
| hallyn | vaio f11 | 15:23 |
| apw | what is your machine doing that 70c is a sane temp ? | 15:23 |
| hallyn | I had shut down u1 some time before, so i was just doing a libvirt build, running kvm, and playing a song... | 15:23 |
| apw | it'd want to be compileing on something | 15:23 |
| apw | so you are kicking the crap out of it, so perhaps 70 is expectable | 15:24 |
| hallyn | well, it's an 8-core 8G laptop, I don't take it easy on it | 15:24 |
| hallyn | no serioualy this thing easily hits 90 | 15:24 |
| hallyn | but i dont' think it had hit 98 | 15:24 |
| apw | that sounds like pretty poor thermal control. an 8 core thingy in a laptop, mental | 15:24 |
| hallyn | all right, i guess i'll keep a little display up with the temp values | 15:24 |
| apw | yeah good plan try and keep some history | 15:24 |
| hallyn | heh, i had to quickly choose something when i joined canonical. i'd have preferred a good desktop and a netbook. but this thing mostly serves me well | 15:25 |
| hallyn | all right, i'll ping back if it does it again without hitting 98 | 15:25 |
| hallyn | thanks | 15:25 |
| apw | hallyn, made the same mistake myself | 15:29 |
| hallyn | I guess in about 1.5 years I'll start looking for a kick-ass desktop :) | 15:30 |
| hallyn | (this is one of those times i'm happy to be using wmii so i can just change my status shellscript :) | 16:10 |
| hallyn | hanging steady at 67 right now | 16:10 |
| tgardner | apw, dpkg-buildpackage is just a script. AFAICT it simply adds -jX to MAKEFLAGS before running debian/rules. | 16:28 |
| apw | hmmmm | 16:28 |
| tgardner | I haven't quite been able to simulate it by hand yet | 16:28 |
| tgardner | ppisati, do you want the ti-omap4 kernels uplaoded with the DMA/SMP performance fix ? | 16:50 |
| tgardner | apw, ogasawara: pushed 'UBUNTU: [Config] Fix binary-% build target' to oneiric master-next | 16:53 |
| ogasawara | tgardner: ack | 16:53 |
| apw | tgardner, nice | 16:54 |
| tgardner | I'll figure out the AMKEFLAGS business and build it into debian/rules somehow | 16:54 |
| tgardner | MAKEFLAGS* | 16:54 |
| hallyn | apw: say do you know of a way to set the trip_point? file isn't writeable... and a simple sbuild of libvirt-bin quickly brought temps to 92 (trip point being 98) | 17:12 |
| apw | hallyn, normally they are bios set and bios enforced, they are exposed to allow the OS to help in heat managment i expect | 17:13 |
| tgardner | hallyn, trip points are typically the domain of BIOS/SMI AFAIK | 17:13 |
| hallyn | drat | 17:13 |
| apw | i really don't think you should be hitting anywhere near it if the bios was managing fans correctly | 17:13 |
| hallyn | at least 94 seems to be another, 'passive' trip point. I guess I should go read up. must be some discussion online | 17:13 |
| apw | it must burn your hands if you go anywhere near the case | 17:13 |
| hallyn | it gets warm, but not that bad. | 17:14 |
| hallyn | maybe one of those fancy powered laptop stands would help :) | 17:14 |
| apw | i am suspicious that there are a number of bioss out there which do not handle the fans, but they ship windows drivers to override the fans to make things work | 17:15 |
| hallyn | oh! actually, i guess sony had a bios update about this. | 17:15 |
| hallyn | but the damned thing isn't usable in linux or even in windows 2008 | 17:15 |
| hallyn | now, this time after it hit 94 it started going down. so maybe the 'passive' trip poitn didn't trip last time, and so it kept climbing? | 17:16 |
| hallyn | maybe i should drop by the sony store | 17:17 |
| tgardner | hallyn, maybe you should be using tangerine | 17:18 |
| hallyn | tgardner: i was just compiling libvirt... | 17:18 |
| hallyn | that would feel like abusing resources | 17:19 |
| tgardner | hallyn, well, it beats having your laptop sizzle | 17:19 |
| hallyn | true | 17:19 |
| bjf | hallyn, i use http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/689370/ to jam the fans on for my thinkpad, don't know what you'd need to change for it to work for you | 17:19 |
| hallyn | bjf: yeah, i might have to bypass the kernel's trip point and have my own little daemon bump up the fan. good idea. | 17:20 |
| tgardner | its gotta have support in the platform driver | 17:20 |
| hallyn | yeah and i don't see a fan control under /sys/module/sony_laptop | 17:23 |
| * tgardner --> lunch | 17:36 | |
| apw | bjf, did you get the magic for bootchart ? as i have just seen one with the lines which was generated this week | 17:55 |
| bjf | apw, yes been working on it all a.m. :-) | 17:55 |
| apw | bjf, can you make sure you also turn on initcall_debug on the test boots and grab the dmesg as well | 17:59 |
| bjf | apw, ack | 18:00 |
| jjohansen | rebooting | 18:04 |
| htorque | ogasawara: hi! bug 834725 → looks like this is not a bug in linux after all, right? | 18:06 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 834725 in linux "Powertop fails to report number of wakeups/events" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834725 | 18:06 |
| ogasawara | htorque: was just about to comment there. indeed, I do not believe this to be a kernel issue. so I was going to close out the linux task. | 18:06 |
| htorque | good, thanks :) | 18:07 |
| * jjohansen -> lunch | 18:37 | |
| smoser | smb, do you happen to be around ? | 19:25 |
| smoser | http://groups.google.com/group/ec2ubuntu/browse_frm/thread/57ff20c6370f7bb9 | 19:25 |
| smoser | we should have someone look at that. | 19:26 |
| * ogasawara bails a little early for an appointment, back on later. | 20:30 | |
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| jj-afk | back on later | 21:26 |
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| openfly | well that sucks | 22:54 |
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