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selinuxiumMorinng all, anyone still up?00:00
sammmmHazRPG: I just went for a really big dump, but instead of it coming out in one massive piece, it came out in lots of small pieces.02:21
sammmmThe first bit was a little hard, but then it was plain sailing. :)02:21
sammmmHazRPG: And I only bled a little bit on the toilet paper. :)02:22
Azelphur!ops02:36
lubotu3Help!  dgjones, Myrtti, Mez, jono, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild or X3N02:36
Azelphurnobody awake for that one, :(02:37
HazRPGapparently not02:49
HazRPGsammm: btw, just to point out... tis a family-orientated channel, plus it is logged02:50
HazRPGe.g. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/09/13/%23ubuntu-uk.html02:51
sammmHazRPG: OMG02:54
HazRPGsammm: not know it was logged?02:54
sammmHazRPG: Maybe we should stop talking to each other here.02:54
sammmHazRPG: No.02:54
HazRPGdoes say in the topic dude :P02:54
HazRPGfirst rule of irc: always read the topic before you enter/post :P02:55
HazRPGfirst (unwritten) rule*02:55
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czajkowskialoha06:04
AlanBellmorning06:07
TheOpenSourcerermornign all.06:28
TheOpenSourcererhttps://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer/status/11385427076750950406:29
czajkowskiTheOpenSourcerer: awwww06:30
TheOpenSourcererHow kid's tastes have changed eh? Imagine asking your mum & dad for one of these for your birthday: http://www.montezumas.co.uk/search/showitem.asp?r=&q=chilli&g=&i=1477&pg=106:31
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Azelphurit's a popey, morning popey \o/06:58
popeymng06:59
diploMorning all07:00
Azelphurnight all :D07:09
* Azelphur wanders off to sleep07:09
czajkowskipopey: you're missing from over there--->07:17
smittixMorning all07:31
andylockranmorning sportsfans07:34
hoovergood morning07:44
DJonesMorning all07:45
smittixCan anyone recommend anywhere to purchase a VPS?07:49
smittixlowest cost would be good07:49
andylockranbitfolk is a good bet07:50
smittixta, I will take a look07:51
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danfishsmittix: amazon are offering more or less free micro instances for the first year08:12
MartijnVdS"first one's free", like a drug dealer ;)08:15
smittixheh08:18
smittixWell I found one thats 512mb Ram, 1ghz Processor, 50gb HD and Unmetered bandwidth for £8pm08:19
gordi don't really understand the concept of kickstarter - it seems to be people who have buckets, they are asking other people to put money in the bucket so they can have the money so they can start doing something to make money08:19
MartijnVdSgord: as you know, it's impossible to make any money at all without a big investment08:22
gordbut its not an investment08:23
gordits a donation08:23
gordthats what i don't get08:23
MartijnVdSeven better! don't have to pay it back!08:23
MartijnVdSfree moneys08:23
gordi get that its great for the people on kickstarter, i just don't get why anyone would give money to it, you won't get it back08:24
danfishgord: it's a pyramid scheme, but with less risk of going to gaol ;)08:25
JamesTaitGood morning, all!08:25
danfisho/08:30
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gordi'm gonna start a kickstarter called "gord wants cake"08:37
gordyou can put money in the gord wants cake bucket, i will use it to eat cake08:37
aquariusgord, I think that's what flattr is for :)08:39
MartijnVdShe won't get any flattr from eating lots of cake thouhg08:41
MartijnVdSthough*08:41
oimonkickstarter won't give you the cake if you don't reach the total though :(08:44
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j0nrgood moaning09:00
* Laney gives terminaling with UbuntuBeta Mono a go09:09
gordis that public now?09:10
Laneyas public as it was09:12
AlanBellhi all09:39
smittixMorning AlanBell09:42
FNDhi - I'm struggling with X font definitions (for dmenu); how can I find out which font gnome-terminal uses (Preferences dialog suggests Mono 11) and convert that to old-school X format (-misc-*-*-...)?09:43
MartijnVdSThe "old-school" X fonts don't map well to "new style" font definitions09:44
MartijnVdSthey use a completely different system of finding and rendering fonts09:44
MartijnVdSI'd install something like xfontsel09:44
FNDI was afraid of that09:44
FNDI actually used xfontsel, but didn't get on with it too well09:44
FNDI guess that's because the font selection doesn't map my expectations09:45
nucc1for some reason, postfix isn't getting its config info for PAM from /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf, how can i find out where it is looking?09:45
hoovernucc1: strace?09:46
BigRedSnucc1: grep -r /etc/postfix pwcheck_method  ?09:46
hooverpostconf -a?09:46
BigRedSoh yeah, that's more sensible09:46
nucc1hoover, postconf -a lists cyrus and dovecot09:49
popeymorning all09:52
nucc1hoover, how would i run it with strace?09:56
nucc1strace postfix doesn't seem to help09:56
davmor2MooDoo: you online yet dude?10:01
davmor2czajkowski: enjoy your first day I hope everything goes well10:01
gordgots me a black revo, wonder how it differs from the white ones10:02
popeyis that the one that stands on its corner?10:03
gordi don't think so, i mean, i quickly took it out to take a look at it but it looks 100% the same as the regular revos but black10:04
gordhttp://www.ebuyer.com/279898-acer-aspire-revo-r3700-net-top-pc-pt-semec-036 this one10:05
popey3700?10:05
popeyyeah, stands on the corner10:05
popeywell, looks like it :D10:05
dogmatic69popey: o/10:05
popeywonder what performance is like compared to the 1.6GHz atoms10:05
popeygord: run hugos random benchmark on it!10:05
dogmatic69have you got a list of things you run on the mc server? maps backups etc10:06
popeyhttp://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/HugoRandomBenchmark10:06
popeynot to hand dogmatic6910:06
dogmatic69k :(10:06
popeywhat specifics do you want to know?10:07
dogmatic69was just hoping for a blog post titled "how to run a mc server by: popey" :)10:07
gordfunny enough, even though it was the linux version of the revo it came with a "webroot personal security" dvd10:08
dogmatic69ill just have to wade through the minecraft wiki again10:09
dogmatic69my little i3 is way up the list :D10:18
andylockranguys - is there a documented way to upgrade a dead version of ubuntu to a newer release (eg jaunty) ?10:19
popeyhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades10:19
andylockranthanks popey :)10:21
dogmatic69node.js is pretty damn fast... does that time thing in 0.061s10:23
gordi think in reality your javascript compiler is good10:24
gordi mean, its a simple statement that evaluates to i=1e8, you can just replace the entire loop with that if your recompiler is smart enough10:25
* AlanBell sits in the cafe below millbank tower10:45
dogmatic69gord: ye, i was thinking its doing something like that.10:46
davmor2AlanBell: etsu by any chance?10:47
AlanBelldavmor2: yes10:48
davmor2AlanBell: Cheese ploughmans sandwich from there is one of the best10:48
AlanBellcoffee is cheap10:49
AlanBell£1.25 bargain10:49
hamitron£1.25 is cheap? :|10:49
AlanBellare you upstairs davmor2?10:49
AlanBellhamitron: this is London10:49
davmor2AlanBell: Sandwich, pack of crisps and a drink is like a fiver10:49
* hamitron crosses London off his "to visit" list10:50
davmor2AlanBell: No I'm in wolvo10:50
BigRedSlondon has plus points that outweigh the minus point of expensive things10:50
davmor2hamitron: that's amasing cheap in London10:50
hamitronnever been10:50
* AlanBell needs more contacts in the tower of power10:51
hamitronI struggle to convince myself to spend 70p on a coffee10:51
hamitron:/10:51
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BigRedShamitron: depends on teh size of the coffee, surely?10:58
hamitronI never drink more than a mugs worth10:59
hamitron:)10:59
hamitronwhat is the name of that player like XMMS and Winamp?10:59
hamitronbegins with A11:00
MartijnVdSamarok?11:00
hamitronna11:00
MartijnVdSample?11:00
hamitronAu*11:00
hamitronAud* even11:00
MartijnVdSaudacity? audacious?11:00
BigRedShamitron: amp?11:01
hamitronaudacious11:01
hamitron:)11:01
hamitronty11:01
* AlanBell has gained entry :)11:16
davmor2AlanBell: <Kenith_Williams_impression> Ooooooh Matron! </Kenith_Williams_impression>11:22
kaushal__Hi11:23
kaushal__can i have sun-java6 version 24 deb package ?11:23
kaushal__sun-java6-jdk11:23
kaushal__for 10.0411:24
smittixIve been staring at a blank html document for about 3 hours trying to think of what to have on my homepage. 3 hours worth of creativity and i come up with this http://smittix.co.uk11:27
smittix:/11:27
AlanBellI like it11:29
smittixheh11:29
smittixAlanBell: Regarding the Notts Release Party, I will wait for a future date. After the notts beer festival11:30
kaushal__AlanBell: hi11:30
kaushal__where can i get sun-java6-jdk version 24 .deb package for 10.04 ?11:30
kaushal__i had it but i have lost it11:30
kaushal__somehow11:30
AlanBell!info sun-dava6-jdk11:34
lubotu3Package sun-dava6-jdk does not exist in natty11:34
AlanBell!info sun-java6-jdk11:34
lubotu3Package sun-java6-jdk does not exist in natty11:34
AlanBell!info sun-java6-jdk hardy11:36
lubotu3sun-java6-jdk (source: sun-java6): Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 6. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6.24-1build0.8.04.1 (hardy), package size 19745 kB, installed size 61372 kB (Only available for all amd64 i386 lpia ia64)11:36
AlanBellhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=sun-java6-jdk11:36
AlanBell!info openjdk-6-jdk11:37
lubotu3openjdk-6-jdk (source: openjdk-6): OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK). In component main, is optional. Version 6b22-1.10.2-0ubuntu1~11.04.1 (natty), package size 10851 kB, installed size 34168 kB11:37
AlanBellI would try and use that ^^11:37
AlanBellor you can turn on the partner repo, it is in there11:38
AlanBellhttp://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/s/sun-java6/11:39
davmor2AlanBell: Why you at Canonical HQ anyhow?11:40
AlanBelldavmor2: to get some stuff printed out :)11:40
davmor2AlanBell: you don't own a printer of you own ;)11:41
AlanBellI was sent the stuff to print after I got on the train11:41
davmor2AlanBell: haha :)11:42
AlanBelland I printed a copy of http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/happyhour.pdf and stuck it on the fridge11:43
davmor2AlanBell: Nice11:44
* AlanBell heads out for a cheese ploughmans sandwich then on to the Home Office11:46
brobostigonafternoonings everyone.11:59
davmor2brobostigon: morning12:02
brobostigondavmor2: morning.12:02
JGJonesguys, just wondering - for a small organisation (around 30 staff) - what's a good asset database to use? or a template for libreoffice base?12:13
drussellJGJones: depending on how much information you want, and how complex you want to go...12:27
drussellJGJones: http://www.xtuple.com/node/228412:28
JGJoneshmm was just looking at spiceworks12:28
drussellJGJones: for future reference osalt.com is good for answering these kind of questions...12:28
JGJonesdrussell - thanks, taking a look12:28
drussellJGJones: http://www.osalt.com/search?q=asset12:28
drussellJGJones: yvw :o)12:28
HazRPG_\o12:38
brobostigono/12:40
oimonyesterday i was throwing away some old junk and as i was throwing away a dvd case containing fedora core 5, i decided to open it to look inside (why?). and i found a music CD that i bought years ago and lost 3 days after buying, and never replaced :D :D12:40
MartijnVdS\o/12:40
oimonthat's better than finding a fiver in the pocket of old jeans12:40
HazRPG_brobostigon: :)12:41
hamitronmoral of the story.... don't be a lazy git and put stuff away properly after use? ;)12:41
brobostigonHazRPG_: :)12:41
MartijnVdSWe found a CD Single of Ice Ice Baby when moving offices a few months ago :)12:41
oimonhamitron: it's only happened since i was married, although my wife denies it.12:41
hamitronhaha12:41
oimoni am still missing a footy game for the wii12:41
hamitrongotta love marriage....12:41
hamitronsomeone to blame ;)12:41
oimonmaybe i never tidied up in a rush before i was married12:41
oimoncurrently 2hrs into a 10TB filesystem repair12:42
hamitron:)12:42
hamitronI'm trying to find space to move 400Gb off my windows 7 comp12:42
MartijnVdSoimon: Ah, always a good excuse to clean the desk ;)12:42
oimonalready repaired it on monday :(12:42
* MartijnVdS hands hamitron /dev/null12:42
hamitronsince win7 decided to break itself12:43
MartijnVdSoimon: time for fresh disks?12:43
hamitron:/12:43
oimonMartijnVdS: it's a machine for a colleague who is on holiday. should have 20TB of disk in RAID 112:43
oimonwith 92GB SSD cache12:43
hamitron:-o12:43
* hamitron dreams12:43
BigRedSI'm trying to configure an apache vhost to use its own php.ini, anyone remember how to?12:43
BigRedSAll I can find are people saying 'no, use ini_set()' or 'no, use php_value'. But that doesn't work with sendmail_path, which is what I particularly want to set12:44
MartijnVdSisn't that some SetEnv thing?12:44
BigRedSMartijnVdS: maybe :)12:45
oimonalready rearranged my whole office MartijnVdS :)12:45
BigRedSaha!12:47
BigRedSphp_admin_value works12:47
BigRedSd'oh. But php doesn't have a 'my'...12:49
JGJoneshamitron - that's what a dog is for. Blaming all the farts on ;-)12:50
hamitron:D12:50
oimonslowly moving my entire collection of linux magazine into my work office to make space at home :)12:51
JGJonescos if I blamed my wife...well...you're welcome to my funeral.12:51
MartijnVdSBigRedS: Aren't those per <VirtualHost> block?12:55
BigRedSMartijnVdS: yeah - I wanted to set teh sendmail path for php for a single virtualhost12:55
MartijnVdSBigRedS: so you don't need a "my" :)12:55
BigRedSoh, no, that was in the test php script12:55
BigRedSjust perl habits12:56
MartijnVdS:)12:56
MartijnVdSPerl habits are good habits12:56
BigRedSoh yes12:56
MartijnVdSexcept our sysadmin's perl habits12:57
MartijnVdSthey're horrible ;)12:57
oimonthat's because it's python :)12:57
MartijnVdSoimon: ...12:57
oimonMartijnVdS: ....12:58
BigRedSwell, sysadmin perl is different to developer perl12:58
BigRedSand, er, I'm the former :)12:58
* MartijnVdS the latter12:58
BigRedSI write everything so it runs in perl core on debian sarge, just in case :)12:58
MartijnVdSeek :)13:03
* MartijnVdS uses loads of Squeeze backports on lenny13:03
BigRedShaha13:04
HazRPGhmm, is there a way to convert (or a plugin of sorts) irssi log files into html?13:36
MartijnVdShttp://www.t2-project.org/packages/2.1/nudelstats.html (first hit for "irssi log to html")13:39
DJonesHazRPG: I think so, give me a sec13:54
DJones!logs13:54
lubotu3Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ . LoCo channels are now logged there too; for older LoCo channel logs, see http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/13:54
DJonesActually, I was thinking of this which is used by the ubuntu log bots http://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/13:55
HazRPGDJones: yeah, I noticed that at the end of one of the logs @ irclogs.ubuntu.com :) - much thanks, I'll have to give that a shot13:56
oimonbugzilla needs to die in a fire :(13:58
davmor2oimon: Bugzilla is there to teach you not to take LP for granted :)14:01
hamitronand to not code bugs14:08
hamitron;)14:08
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* oimon agrees14:19
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brobostigonquestion, a friend of mine tells me, that within hotmail, within its standard functions, you can tell it to not show ads. now, why on earth would Ms out in such a function, and block their income streams, to start with. so i do not believe this to be true.15:39
oimonbrobostigon: slashdot has that feature. although i haven't seen hotmail since the 90s15:40
oimonand i've used adblock since forever too :)15:40
brobostigonok.15:41
oimonsorry, i'm not helping :)15:41
brobostigonno worries. :)15:41
gordhum, they must of updated the wireless chipset in the new revos, it no work15:41
brobostigonbut i would be interested as to if it is true or not. as that would mean, MS are stabbing themselves in the foot.15:42
oimongord:  which model?15:42
gordoimon, um. "black"15:42
oimonR3700?15:43
popeythssim15:43
gordi guess?15:43
oimonu need to install a package15:43
oimonfirmware-non-free or something like that15:44
oimoni found the wifi on it very flaky though15:44
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popeybrobostigon: only if people know about the feature, which almost certainly not many do15:45
brobostigonpopey: and also, i am finding no reference to such a feature, being built into hotmail. anywhere.15:46
popeyso it's an unsubstantiated rumour15:46
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brobostigonseems so, but the person i am talking to, claims it is there. i am doubtful, as to the truth a validity, of his words on it.15:47
oimoni am also doubtful ;)15:47
brobostigonwhy would they stab themselves in the foot, :)15:48
oimonunless it's a feature for paying "office live 365" mugs^H^H^H^Hcustomers15:48
brobostigonmaybe, but it would still be documented somewhere wouldnt it.15:49
oimonmaybe they were referring to live365 VIP15:52
oimonhttps://store.live365.com/popup/popup-preferred_membership_agreement.live section 115:52
oimonsorry forget that - it's not the micrsoft live 36515:52
oimonit's another one15:52
popeybrobostigon: the problem is you're asking this in a channel full of people who probably really, honestly, don't give a toss :D15:55
brobostigonpopey: i totally agree, you are quite correct, including me. :)15:55
gordpopey, what was that benchmark site again?15:55
oimontoday has sucked :(15:58
popeygord: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/HugoRandomBenchmark15:59
gordta15:59
popeyyou are obliged to update it :D16:00
gordthats the plan16:01
oimonever used "disown" to move jobs into a screen session?16:04
gordpopey, done and done16:07
popeyooo, not much faster than my 360016:08
Laneyoimon: try reptyr16:09
gordfastest atom on there though ;)16:10
gordand of course, that test only uses one core16:11
gordshame i have to say bye to the machine... if it were a white one i could swap it for one of my own and they would be non the wiser ;)16:13
gordwell i guess i could swap the contents16:13
popey:D16:15
popeythey're not _too_ painful to take apart16:15
popeyare they physically identical in shape?16:16
popeythe 3700 doesn't have esata now does it?16:16
gordoh right no, thats what that blocked off bit was16:17
gordbut yeah they look the same16:17
hamitronjust over 5s on my i316:19
hamitron:/16:19
gorddang it, the wifi chipset isn't picking up my N ssid16:21
MartijnVdSN-only?16:23
MartijnVdSmaybe it's a 2.4 vs 5GHz issue?16:23
gordit should see both16:24
MartijnVdSgord: man iw :)16:24
matti:)16:25
* TheOpenSourcerer is installing Windows 8 Dev preview in VirtualBox on Ubuntu :-)16:30
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: ah the morphine drip kicked in? :)16:31
TheOpenSourcererIt's quite slow... I'm interested in having a recent version of IE available for testing web sites and I do not want to buy Win 7 if I can avoid it.16:32
TheOpenSourcererGosh only one reboot so far. It's updated the registry and is now "getting devices ready"...16:34
TheOpenSourcererAh restart #216:34
TheOpenSourcerer3rd time lucky?16:35
mattiLOL16:35
matti;)16:36
TheOpenSourcererOooh - A green desktop16:36
TheOpenSourcererSeveral questions *after* the install. Why do they do that? Why can't they ask this stuff first time round?16:38
TheOpenSourcerer"Preparing PC" - I'm sure that happened before...16:38
TheOpenSourcererLots of network activity.16:38
TheOpenSourcererMight be interesting to wireshark that16:38
brobostigoni found an answer, there is an opt-out for personalised advertising within hotmail. but no advertising block.16:39
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: that's in my browser anyway :)16:39
brobostigonMartijnVdS: exactly, :)16:40
TheOpenSourcererbrobostigon: I still have a hotmail account. I use it for spammy type email stuff. And I access it via Thunderbird so never logon nor see the ads.16:40
MartijnVdSyou can do that now?16:40
brobostigonTheOpenSourcerer: :) good plan.16:40
* MartijnVdS though it used some weird outlook-only protocol16:40
TheOpenSourcererI have a Windows 8 front-end16:40
TheOpenSourcererMartijnVdS: POP16:40
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: tbh I haven't used hotmail ever16:41
derek19does anyone know how to create two or three email accounts in evolution?16:41
MartijnVdSderek19: yes, in Edit -> Accounts add more accounts (maybe it's in Tools -> Accounts)?16:42
derek19great stuff  I've had a go a few times put was unable to configure-nice one :-D16:45
derek19derek19 is leaving- thanks for evolution tip MartijnVds16:47
nuclearworm_hello, can someone help me to create a bootable cd rom to upgrade bios?16:59
popeynuclearworm_: bootdisk.com ?17:01
smittixEvening all17:01
popeylo17:02
smittixhow goes it?17:02
nuclearworm_popey , which image should i choose to create a bootable cd rom?17:04
popeynuclearworm_: there is link on the front page that talks about flashing bioses17:04
popeyhttp://www.bootdisk.com/flash.htm17:05
gordwoo i hate samba17:06
gordalso hate the new nautilus17:09
MartijnVdSyou're full of rage aren'tyou17:10
popeyI had a nice tweet today17:10
popeysaid something like 'oh, i see why you're angry, you like open source'17:11
popeyfrom a .net developer17:11
gordjust keeps rejecting my password attempts =\17:11
gordand the log files are next to useless17:12
AlanBellhi all17:18
* AlanBell is in a pub17:18
TheOpenSourcererpah17:18
AlanBellspecifically the Cask17:18
hamitronpopey, "oh, I see why you're not, you have no clue what is happening"17:18
brobostigon:)17:18
popeyheh17:19
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gordi thought this guide looked familiar, turns out i wrote it17:56
MartijnVdS8-)18:02
gordbleh hdmi audio isn't working for some reason, what on earth did i do to get it running on other revo18:33
czajkowskiAloha18:34
bigcalmgord: check in pulseaudio volume control, you'll be able to set the sound output as the hdmi port18:34
bigcalmHi czajkowski, how was work?18:34
gordbigcalm, nope already checked18:34
czajkowskifantastic18:34
bigcalmArse18:34
bigcalmGreat!18:34
gordbigcalm, its lts so chances are the driver is just huuugely out of date18:35
bigcalm*nod*18:35
gordczajkowski, without you here, davmor2 and MooDoo were frankly, lost18:35
* czajkowski stabs MooDoo 18:40
* czajkowski pokes davmor2 18:40
* czajkowski congrats MooDoo on his new addition18:40
MartijnVdSpopey: What was the "electricity meter" you use(d) device called?18:55
MartijnVdSuhr18:55
MartijnVdSwell you know what I mean :)18:55
gordjaunty no good for hdmi out it seems, i can get the hdmi device but its got no outputs, lets try with maverick, thats what my revo is running18:57
daubersevening19:04
MartijnVdS\o19:05
gordi'v managed to get hdmi working in one account but not the other =\19:57
gordthis is very confusing19:57
ubuntuuk-planet[Ubuntu UK Podcast] S04E15  Remember Tomorrow - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/09/14/s04e15-remember-tomorrow/20:07
andylockran:)20:10
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AlanBellMartijnV1S: that would be a currentcost20:48
davmor2czajkowski: boo21:02
davmor2gord: :P21:02
ubuntuuk-planet[Andy Loughran] Clingo Universal Car Phone Holder - http://zrmt.com/2011/09/14/clingo-universal-car-phone-holder/21:07
AlanBellhi all21:53
* AlanBell likes the events list http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk21:54
AlanBelland we need to add the Nottingham meetup to the list21:54
AlanBelland sort out a christmas thing21:54
hamitronloads of drinking basically? ;/21:55
brobostigonevevning AlanBell21:56
brobostigonnottigham i could do, it isnt far, a short train journey, if all is ok.21:56
AlanBellhamitron: there is a barcamp in there, which despite having bar in the name isn't really about drinking21:58
hamitronoh21:58
AlanBellbut yeah, there is a bit of a drinking theme to some of the others21:58
hamitron:D21:58
AlanBellbarcamp == unconference21:58
hamitronwell21:59
AlanBellanyhow, I want to add more non-drinky things, but they tend to be a *lot* more difficult and expensive to organise21:59
hamitronthe list is nearly perfect then21:59
hamitron;)21:59
hamitronI suppose, yeh21:59
AlanBelland we are moving out of geeknic season22:00
AlanBellI did check out the Cask earlier22:07
ali1234https://github.com/ali1234/bitmap2ttf new project \o/22:07
hamitronali1234, the clue is in the name?22:09
AlanBellvery clever22:09
AlanBellthe outliner.py contains less code than I would have expected it would need22:10
AlanBellso it creates a pixellated font still, but a scaleable one right?22:11
ali1234yes22:12
ali1234it is how I made this font: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/teletext/100.html22:13
ali1234note that even the graphics on that page, are actually fonts22:13
ali1234"graphics"22:13
ali1234the teletext font is in ubuntu repos, tv-fonts package but it is pcf22:14
AlanBellI see :)22:14
ali1234and firefox won't use pcf22:14
ali1234btw, page only looks "right" in ff, webkit can't render fonts properly and ie just crashes on the vendor unicode22:14
AlanBellthe teletext thing is a brilliant project22:15
* funkyHat is IRCing on the M122:16
ali1234for the teletext thing i had to invent a totally new method for recovering NRZ signals22:18
ali1234i think it is totally new, it doesn't work like any of the existing documented algorithms22:18
ali1234i read quite a lot of papers on the topic22:18
AlanBellthis is the sort of thing the British Library or National Archives might be very interested in22:23
andylockranfunkyHat: hope you're not driving too :p22:26
ali1234the page numbers/fasttext are all hyperlinked btw22:28
ali1234total time to generate that full magazine = about 4 days with newest code, from 45 minutes of recording22:29
ali1234when the raspberry pi comes out, i hope it has real programmable video out22:31
ali1234because i want to use it to send teletext to a TV22:31
ali1234but that requires modeline hacking22:31
ali1234if it just has a hardwired pal/ntsc generator it won't work22:32
ali1234if it just has a generic DSP and no open driver, it will be extremely hard, but possible22:32
AlanBelleben@raspberrypi.org will know22:32
ali1234i have this idea to develop a wireless box that inserts teletext into a video signal22:33
ali1234based on stuff it pulls from a web server22:33
ali1234then i can sell "teletext" to people that still want it (= old people) for a few quid a year22:34
ali1234generate feeds etc22:34
AlanBellthe project to get archived text off VHS could get serious funding if you are after that22:34
ali1234interesting22:35
ali1234i have no idea how to go about it though22:35
ali1234i wonder if "ceefax@bbc.co.uk" still works :)22:36
AlanBellwonder if I still have Adam Farquhar's business card somewhere http://www.jisc.ac.uk/events/2010/05/brtf/adamfarquhar.aspx22:44

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