[00:00] Morinng all, anyone still up? [02:21] HazRPG: I just went for a really big dump, but instead of it coming out in one massive piece, it came out in lots of small pieces. [02:21] The first bit was a little hard, but then it was plain sailing. :) [02:22] HazRPG: And I only bled a little bit on the toilet paper. :) [02:36] !ops [02:36] Help! dgjones, Myrtti, Mez, jono, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild or X3N [02:37] nobody awake for that one, :( [02:49] apparently not [02:50] sammm: btw, just to point out... tis a family-orientated channel, plus it is logged [02:51] e.g. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/09/13/%23ubuntu-uk.html [02:54] HazRPG: OMG [02:54] sammm: not know it was logged? [02:54] HazRPG: Maybe we should stop talking to each other here. [02:54] HazRPG: No. [02:54] does say in the topic dude :P [02:55] first rule of irc: always read the topic before you enter/post :P [02:55] first (unwritten) rule* === Joeb454_ is now known as Guest11608 [06:04] aloha [06:07] morning [06:28] mornign all. [06:29] https://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer/status/113854270767509504 [06:30] TheOpenSourcerer: awwww [06:31] How kid's tastes have changed eh? Imagine asking your mum & dad for one of these for your birthday: http://www.montezumas.co.uk/search/showitem.asp?r=&q=chilli&g=&i=1477&pg=1 === popey_ is now known as popey [06:58] it's a popey, morning popey \o/ [06:59] mng [07:00] Morning all [07:09] night all :D [07:09] * Azelphur wanders off to sleep [07:17] popey: you're missing from over there---> [07:31] Morning all [07:34] morning sportsfans [07:44] good morning [07:45] Morning all [07:49] Can anyone recommend anywhere to purchase a VPS? [07:49] lowest cost would be good [07:50] bitfolk is a good bet [07:51] ta, I will take a look === Guest11608 is now known as Joeb45 === Joeb45 is now known as Joeb454 [08:12] smittix: amazon are offering more or less free micro instances for the first year [08:15] "first one's free", like a drug dealer ;) [08:18] heh [08:19] Well I found one thats 512mb Ram, 1ghz Processor, 50gb HD and Unmetered bandwidth for £8pm [08:19] i don't really understand the concept of kickstarter - it seems to be people who have buckets, they are asking other people to put money in the bucket so they can have the money so they can start doing something to make money [08:22] gord: as you know, it's impossible to make any money at all without a big investment [08:23] but its not an investment [08:23] its a donation [08:23] thats what i don't get [08:23] even better! don't have to pay it back! [08:23] free moneys [08:24] i get that its great for the people on kickstarter, i just don't get why anyone would give money to it, you won't get it back [08:25] gord: it's a pyramid scheme, but with less risk of going to gaol ;) [08:25] Good morning, all! [08:30] o/ === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [08:37] i'm gonna start a kickstarter called "gord wants cake" [08:37] you can put money in the gord wants cake bucket, i will use it to eat cake [08:39] gord, I think that's what flattr is for :) [08:41] he won't get any flattr from eating lots of cake thouhg [08:41] though* [08:44] kickstarter won't give you the cake if you don't reach the total though :( === chris_ is now known as Guest42410 [09:00] good moaning [09:09] * Laney gives terminaling with UbuntuBeta Mono a go [09:10] is that public now? [09:12] as public as it was [09:39] hi all [09:42] Morning AlanBell [09:43] hi - I'm struggling with X font definitions (for dmenu); how can I find out which font gnome-terminal uses (Preferences dialog suggests Mono 11) and convert that to old-school X format (-misc-*-*-...)? [09:44] The "old-school" X fonts don't map well to "new style" font definitions [09:44] they use a completely different system of finding and rendering fonts [09:44] I'd install something like xfontsel [09:44] I was afraid of that [09:44] I actually used xfontsel, but didn't get on with it too well [09:45] I guess that's because the font selection doesn't map my expectations [09:45] for some reason, postfix isn't getting its config info for PAM from /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf, how can i find out where it is looking? [09:46] nucc1: strace? [09:46] nucc1: grep -r /etc/postfix pwcheck_method ? [09:46] postconf -a? [09:46] oh yeah, that's more sensible [09:49] hoover, postconf -a lists cyrus and dovecot [09:52] morning all [09:56] hoover, how would i run it with strace? [09:56] strace postfix doesn't seem to help [10:01] MooDoo: you online yet dude? [10:01] czajkowski: enjoy your first day I hope everything goes well [10:02] gots me a black revo, wonder how it differs from the white ones [10:03] is that the one that stands on its corner? [10:04] i don't think so, i mean, i quickly took it out to take a look at it but it looks 100% the same as the regular revos but black [10:05] http://www.ebuyer.com/279898-acer-aspire-revo-r3700-net-top-pc-pt-semec-036 this one [10:05] 3700? [10:05] yeah, stands on the corner [10:05] well, looks like it :D [10:05] popey: o/ [10:05] wonder what performance is like compared to the 1.6GHz atoms [10:05] gord: run hugos random benchmark on it! [10:06] have you got a list of things you run on the mc server? maps backups etc [10:06] http://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/HugoRandomBenchmark [10:06] not to hand dogmatic69 [10:06] k :( [10:07] what specifics do you want to know? [10:07] was just hoping for a blog post titled "how to run a mc server by: popey" :) [10:08] funny enough, even though it was the linux version of the revo it came with a "webroot personal security" dvd [10:09] ill just have to wade through the minecraft wiki again [10:18] my little i3 is way up the list :D [10:19] guys - is there a documented way to upgrade a dead version of ubuntu to a newer release (eg jaunty) ? [10:19] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades [10:21] thanks popey :) [10:23] node.js is pretty damn fast... does that time thing in 0.061s [10:24] i think in reality your javascript compiler is good [10:25] i mean, its a simple statement that evaluates to i=1e8, you can just replace the entire loop with that if your recompiler is smart enough [10:45] * AlanBell sits in the cafe below millbank tower [10:46] gord: ye, i was thinking its doing something like that. [10:47] AlanBell: etsu by any chance? [10:48] davmor2: yes [10:48] AlanBell: Cheese ploughmans sandwich from there is one of the best [10:49] coffee is cheap [10:49] £1.25 bargain [10:49] £1.25 is cheap? :| [10:49] are you upstairs davmor2? [10:49] hamitron: this is London [10:49] AlanBell: Sandwich, pack of crisps and a drink is like a fiver [10:50] * hamitron crosses London off his "to visit" list [10:50] AlanBell: No I'm in wolvo [10:50] london has plus points that outweigh the minus point of expensive things [10:50] hamitron: that's amasing cheap in London [10:50] never been [10:51] * AlanBell needs more contacts in the tower of power [10:51] I struggle to convince myself to spend 70p on a coffee [10:51] :/ === redbaron is now known as maxivano [10:58] hamitron: depends on teh size of the coffee, surely? [10:59] I never drink more than a mugs worth [10:59] :) [10:59] what is the name of that player like XMMS and Winamp? [11:00] begins with A [11:00] amarok? [11:00] na [11:00] ample? [11:00] Au* [11:00] Aud* even [11:00] audacity? audacious? [11:01] hamitron: amp? [11:01] audacious [11:01] :) [11:01] ty [11:16] * AlanBell has gained entry :) [11:22] AlanBell: Ooooooh Matron! [11:23] Hi [11:23] can i have sun-java6 version 24 deb package ? [11:23] sun-java6-jdk [11:24] for 10.04 [11:27] Ive been staring at a blank html document for about 3 hours trying to think of what to have on my homepage. 3 hours worth of creativity and i come up with this http://smittix.co.uk [11:27] :/ [11:29] I like it [11:29] heh [11:30] AlanBell: Regarding the Notts Release Party, I will wait for a future date. After the notts beer festival [11:30] AlanBell: hi [11:30] where can i get sun-java6-jdk version 24 .deb package for 10.04 ? [11:30] i had it but i have lost it [11:30] somehow [11:34] !info sun-dava6-jdk [11:34] Package sun-dava6-jdk does not exist in natty [11:34] !info sun-java6-jdk [11:34] Package sun-java6-jdk does not exist in natty [11:36] !info sun-java6-jdk hardy [11:36] sun-java6-jdk (source: sun-java6): Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 6. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6.24-1build0.8.04.1 (hardy), package size 19745 kB, installed size 61372 kB (Only available for all amd64 i386 lpia ia64) [11:36] http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=sun-java6-jdk [11:37] !info openjdk-6-jdk [11:37] openjdk-6-jdk (source: openjdk-6): OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK). In component main, is optional. Version 6b22-1.10.2-0ubuntu1~11.04.1 (natty), package size 10851 kB, installed size 34168 kB [11:37] I would try and use that ^^ [11:38] or you can turn on the partner repo, it is in there [11:39] http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/s/sun-java6/ [11:40] AlanBell: Why you at Canonical HQ anyhow? [11:40] davmor2: to get some stuff printed out :) [11:41] AlanBell: you don't own a printer of you own ;) [11:41] I was sent the stuff to print after I got on the train [11:42] AlanBell: haha :) [11:43] and I printed a copy of http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/happyhour.pdf and stuck it on the fridge [11:44] AlanBell: Nice [11:46] * AlanBell heads out for a cheese ploughmans sandwich then on to the Home Office [11:59] afternoonings everyone. [12:02] brobostigon: morning [12:02] davmor2: morning. [12:13] guys, just wondering - for a small organisation (around 30 staff) - what's a good asset database to use? or a template for libreoffice base? [12:27] JGJones: depending on how much information you want, and how complex you want to go... [12:28] JGJones: http://www.xtuple.com/node/2284 [12:28] hmm was just looking at spiceworks [12:28] JGJones: for future reference osalt.com is good for answering these kind of questions... [12:28] drussell - thanks, taking a look [12:28] JGJones: http://www.osalt.com/search?q=asset [12:28] JGJones: yvw :o) [12:38] \o [12:40] o/ [12:40] yesterday i was throwing away some old junk and as i was throwing away a dvd case containing fedora core 5, i decided to open it to look inside (why?). and i found a music CD that i bought years ago and lost 3 days after buying, and never replaced :D :D [12:40] \o/ [12:40] that's better than finding a fiver in the pocket of old jeans [12:41] brobostigon: :) [12:41] moral of the story.... don't be a lazy git and put stuff away properly after use? ;) [12:41] HazRPG_: :) [12:41] We found a CD Single of Ice Ice Baby when moving offices a few months ago :) [12:41] hamitron: it's only happened since i was married, although my wife denies it. [12:41] haha [12:41] i am still missing a footy game for the wii [12:41] gotta love marriage.... [12:41] someone to blame ;) [12:41] maybe i never tidied up in a rush before i was married [12:42] currently 2hrs into a 10TB filesystem repair [12:42] :) [12:42] I'm trying to find space to move 400Gb off my windows 7 comp [12:42] oimon: Ah, always a good excuse to clean the desk ;) [12:42] already repaired it on monday :( [12:42] * MartijnVdS hands hamitron /dev/null [12:43] since win7 decided to break itself [12:43] oimon: time for fresh disks? [12:43] :/ [12:43] MartijnVdS: it's a machine for a colleague who is on holiday. should have 20TB of disk in RAID 1 [12:43] with 92GB SSD cache [12:43] :-o [12:43] * hamitron dreams [12:43] I'm trying to configure an apache vhost to use its own php.ini, anyone remember how to? [12:44] All I can find are people saying 'no, use ini_set()' or 'no, use php_value'. But that doesn't work with sendmail_path, which is what I particularly want to set [12:44] isn't that some SetEnv thing? [12:45] MartijnVdS: maybe :) [12:45] already rearranged my whole office MartijnVdS :) [12:47] aha! [12:47] php_admin_value works [12:49] d'oh. But php doesn't have a 'my'... [12:50] hamitron - that's what a dog is for. Blaming all the farts on ;-) [12:50] :D [12:51] slowly moving my entire collection of linux magazine into my work office to make space at home :) [12:51] cos if I blamed my wife...well...you're welcome to my funeral. [12:55] BigRedS: Aren't those per block? [12:55] MartijnVdS: yeah - I wanted to set teh sendmail path for php for a single virtualhost [12:55] BigRedS: so you don't need a "my" :) [12:55] oh, no, that was in the test php script [12:56] just perl habits [12:56] :) [12:56] Perl habits are good habits [12:56] oh yes [12:57] except our sysadmin's perl habits [12:57] they're horrible ;) [12:57] that's because it's python :) [12:57] oimon: ... [12:58] MartijnVdS: .... [12:58] well, sysadmin perl is different to developer perl [12:58] and, er, I'm the former :) [12:58] * MartijnVdS the latter [12:58] I write everything so it runs in perl core on debian sarge, just in case :) [13:03] eek :) [13:03] * MartijnVdS uses loads of Squeeze backports on lenny [13:04] haha [13:36] hmm, is there a way to convert (or a plugin of sorts) irssi log files into html? [13:39] http://www.t2-project.org/packages/2.1/nudelstats.html (first hit for "irssi log to html") [13:54] HazRPG: I think so, give me a sec [13:54] !logs [13:54] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ . LoCo channels are now logged there too; for older LoCo channel logs, see http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [13:55] Actually, I was thinking of this which is used by the ubuntu log bots http://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/ [13:56] DJones: yeah, I noticed that at the end of one of the logs @ irclogs.ubuntu.com :) - much thanks, I'll have to give that a shot [13:58] bugzilla needs to die in a fire :( [14:01] oimon: Bugzilla is there to teach you not to take LP for granted :) [14:08] and to not code bugs [14:08] ;) === seeker_ is now known as seeker [14:19] * oimon agrees === Featurefreak is now known as NET||abuse === redbaron is now known as maxivano [15:39] question, a friend of mine tells me, that within hotmail, within its standard functions, you can tell it to not show ads. now, why on earth would Ms out in such a function, and block their income streams, to start with. so i do not believe this to be true. [15:40] brobostigon: slashdot has that feature. although i haven't seen hotmail since the 90s [15:40] and i've used adblock since forever too :) [15:41] ok. [15:41] sorry, i'm not helping :) [15:41] no worries. :) [15:41] hum, they must of updated the wireless chipset in the new revos, it no work [15:42] but i would be interested as to if it is true or not. as that would mean, MS are stabbing themselves in the foot. [15:42] gord: which model? [15:42] oimon, um. "black" [15:43] R3700? [15:43] thssim [15:43] i guess? [15:43] u need to install a package [15:44] firmware-non-free or something like that [15:44] i found the wifi on it very flaky though === seeker_ is now known as seeker [15:45] brobostigon: only if people know about the feature, which almost certainly not many do [15:46] popey: and also, i am finding no reference to such a feature, being built into hotmail. anywhere. [15:46] so it's an unsubstantiated rumour === martins is now known as Guest82746 [15:47] seems so, but the person i am talking to, claims it is there. i am doubtful, as to the truth a validity, of his words on it. [15:47] i am also doubtful ;) [15:48] why would they stab themselves in the foot, :) [15:48] unless it's a feature for paying "office live 365" mugs^H^H^H^Hcustomers [15:49] maybe, but it would still be documented somewhere wouldnt it. [15:52] maybe they were referring to live365 VIP [15:52] https://store.live365.com/popup/popup-preferred_membership_agreement.live section 1 [15:52] sorry forget that - it's not the micrsoft live 365 [15:52] it's another one [15:55] brobostigon: the problem is you're asking this in a channel full of people who probably really, honestly, don't give a toss :D [15:55] popey: i totally agree, you are quite correct, including me. :) [15:55] popey, what was that benchmark site again? [15:58] today has sucked :( [15:59] gord: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/HugoRandomBenchmark [15:59] ta [16:00] you are obliged to update it :D [16:01] thats the plan [16:04] ever used "disown" to move jobs into a screen session? [16:07] popey, done and done [16:08] ooo, not much faster than my 3600 [16:09] oimon: try reptyr [16:10] fastest atom on there though ;) [16:11] and of course, that test only uses one core [16:13] shame i have to say bye to the machine... if it were a white one i could swap it for one of my own and they would be non the wiser ;) [16:13] well i guess i could swap the contents [16:15] :D [16:15] they're not _too_ painful to take apart [16:16] are they physically identical in shape? [16:16] the 3700 doesn't have esata now does it? [16:17] oh right no, thats what that blocked off bit was [16:17] but yeah they look the same [16:19] just over 5s on my i3 [16:19] :/ [16:21] dang it, the wifi chipset isn't picking up my N ssid [16:23] N-only? [16:23] maybe it's a 2.4 vs 5GHz issue? [16:24] it should see both [16:24] gord: man iw :) [16:25] :) [16:30] * TheOpenSourcerer is installing Windows 8 Dev preview in VirtualBox on Ubuntu :-) [16:31] TheOpenSourcerer: ah the morphine drip kicked in? :) [16:32] It's quite slow... I'm interested in having a recent version of IE available for testing web sites and I do not want to buy Win 7 if I can avoid it. [16:34] Gosh only one reboot so far. It's updated the registry and is now "getting devices ready"... [16:34] Ah restart #2 [16:35] 3rd time lucky? [16:35] LOL [16:36] ;) [16:36] Oooh - A green desktop [16:38] Several questions *after* the install. Why do they do that? Why can't they ask this stuff first time round? [16:38] "Preparing PC" - I'm sure that happened before... [16:38] Lots of network activity. [16:38] Might be interesting to wireshark that [16:39] i found an answer, there is an opt-out for personalised advertising within hotmail. but no advertising block. [16:39] brobostigon: that's in my browser anyway :) [16:40] MartijnVdS: exactly, :) [16:40] brobostigon: I still have a hotmail account. I use it for spammy type email stuff. And I access it via Thunderbird so never logon nor see the ads. [16:40] you can do that now? [16:40] TheOpenSourcerer: :) good plan. [16:40] * MartijnVdS though it used some weird outlook-only protocol [16:40] I have a Windows 8 front-end [16:40] MartijnVdS: POP [16:41] TheOpenSourcerer: tbh I haven't used hotmail ever [16:41] does anyone know how to create two or three email accounts in evolution? [16:42] derek19: yes, in Edit -> Accounts add more accounts (maybe it's in Tools -> Accounts)? [16:45] great stuff I've had a go a few times put was unable to configure-nice one :-D [16:47] derek19 is leaving- thanks for evolution tip MartijnVds [16:59] hello, can someone help me to create a bootable cd rom to upgrade bios? [17:01] nuclearworm_: bootdisk.com ? [17:01] Evening all [17:02] lo [17:02] how goes it? [17:04] popey , which image should i choose to create a bootable cd rom? [17:04] nuclearworm_: there is link on the front page that talks about flashing bioses [17:05] http://www.bootdisk.com/flash.htm [17:06] woo i hate samba [17:09] also hate the new nautilus [17:10] you're full of rage aren'tyou [17:10] I had a nice tweet today [17:11] said something like 'oh, i see why you're angry, you like open source' [17:11] from a .net developer [17:11] just keeps rejecting my password attempts =\ [17:12] and the log files are next to useless [17:18] hi all [17:18] * AlanBell is in a pub [17:18] pah [17:18] specifically the Cask [17:18] popey, "oh, I see why you're not, you have no clue what is happening" [17:18] :) [17:19] heh === PsychoSlarti is now known as Psychobudgie [17:56] i thought this guide looked familiar, turns out i wrote it [18:02] 8-) [18:33] bleh hdmi audio isn't working for some reason, what on earth did i do to get it running on other revo [18:34] Aloha [18:34] gord: check in pulseaudio volume control, you'll be able to set the sound output as the hdmi port [18:34] Hi czajkowski, how was work? [18:34] bigcalm, nope already checked [18:34] fantastic [18:34] Arse [18:34] Great! [18:35] bigcalm, its lts so chances are the driver is just huuugely out of date [18:35] *nod* [18:35] czajkowski, without you here, davmor2 and MooDoo were frankly, lost [18:40] * czajkowski stabs MooDoo [18:40] * czajkowski pokes davmor2 [18:40] * czajkowski congrats MooDoo on his new addition [18:55] popey: What was the "electricity meter" you use(d) device called? [18:55] uhr [18:55] well you know what I mean :) [18:57] jaunty no good for hdmi out it seems, i can get the hdmi device but its got no outputs, lets try with maverick, thats what my revo is running [19:04] evening [19:05] \o [19:57] i'v managed to get hdmi working in one account but not the other =\ [19:57] this is very confusing [20:07] [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S04E15 Remember Tomorrow - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/09/14/s04e15-remember-tomorrow/ [20:10] :) === myrtti is now known as Myrtti [20:48] MartijnV1S: that would be a currentcost [21:02] czajkowski: boo [21:02] gord: :P [21:07] [Andy Loughran] Clingo Universal Car Phone Holder - http://zrmt.com/2011/09/14/clingo-universal-car-phone-holder/ [21:53] hi all [21:54] * AlanBell likes the events list http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk [21:54] and we need to add the Nottingham meetup to the list [21:54] and sort out a christmas thing [21:55] loads of drinking basically? ;/ [21:56] evevning AlanBell [21:56] nottigham i could do, it isnt far, a short train journey, if all is ok. [21:58] hamitron: there is a barcamp in there, which despite having bar in the name isn't really about drinking [21:58] oh [21:58] but yeah, there is a bit of a drinking theme to some of the others [21:58] :D [21:58] barcamp == unconference [21:59] well [21:59] anyhow, I want to add more non-drinky things, but they tend to be a *lot* more difficult and expensive to organise [21:59] the list is nearly perfect then [21:59] ;) [21:59] I suppose, yeh [22:00] and we are moving out of geeknic season [22:07] I did check out the Cask earlier [22:07] https://github.com/ali1234/bitmap2ttf new project \o/ [22:09] ali1234, the clue is in the name? [22:09]