| danielveazey | hello spsalsm | 02:08 |
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| spsalsm | Hello | 02:09 |
| spsalsm | I'm Sean | 02:09 |
| danielveazey | Hello, Sean. | 02:09 |
| danielveazey | I'm Daniel. | 02:09 |
| spsalsm | Hi Daniel, great to meet you. Sean Salsman here. I live in Centerton. I'm really stoked about a NWA Linux User Group! | 02:10 |
| danielveazey | Right on. I used to live in Fayetteville. I moved to central AR a couple months ago. | 02:10 |
| danielveazey | I went to a couple of NWALUG meetings a couple years ago. | 02:10 |
| spsalsm | Right on. | 02:10 |
| danielveazey | Are you on the NWALUG mailing list? | 02:11 |
| spsalsm | I understand Rob lives in central AR as well | 02:11 |
| spsalsm | Conway, perhaps? | 02:11 |
| danielveazey | Just outside Conway | 02:11 |
| spsalsm | Not bad. I lived in Russellville, going to ATU for a few years. | 02:12 |
| danielveazey | Word | 02:12 |
| spsalsm | I'm not sure if I'm on the NWALUG mailing list... | 02:12 |
| spsalsm | I seem to remember signing up, but I'm just not sure. :S | 02:12 |
| danielveazey | http://groups.google.com/group/nwalug | 02:12 |
| spsalsm | I did join the Google group. | 02:13 |
| danielveazey | I haven't seen any emails in about a week or two. Sometimes we get some conversations going. | 02:13 |
| spsalsm | I've looked at 14 of the 171 discussions. | 02:14 |
| danielveazey | Hehe | 02:14 |
| spsalsm | I haven't the gaul or the gumption to look at the rest yet. | 02:14 |
| spsalsm | I just decided to go back to Arch after a brief stint with Gentoo. | 02:15 |
| danielveazey | I don't think I have the gaul or gumption to try either of those. I've been easing into Ubuntu for about 3 years, very gradually moving out into deeper water. | 02:16 |
| spsalsm | Nice! | 02:17 |
| spsalsm | Nothing wrong with that. | 02:17 |
| spsalsm | Well, I'm the perpetually discontent type that can't stay with one distro. A regular hopper. I just can't commit. | 02:17 |
| danielveazey | Hehe. I think I might try something new on my desktop machine sometime soon. I do most of my stuff on my laptop, so I'll keep Ubuntu on it. | 02:18 |
| spsalsm | Right on. | 02:19 |
| spsalsm | I have only a laptop. | 02:19 |
| spsalsm | So which Ubuntu release was your first? | 02:19 |
| module000 | i like debian on my desktop, simply because i know major release upgrades are few and far between | 02:19 |
| module000 | (ergo i'm lazy) | 02:19 |
| danielveazey | lol | 02:19 |
| spsalsm | Hello module000, I completely understand that! | 02:20 |
| spsalsm | What do you dislike about major release upgrades? | 02:20 |
| module000 | mostly the upgrade times and any manual changes i have to make | 02:20 |
| danielveazey | I think I started with either 7.04 or 7.10, but I didn't stick with either of those very long. I bought a Dellbuntu laptop with 8.04 on it, and have upgraded every 6 months since then. | 02:20 |
| spsalsm | Dellbuntu...very interesting. | 02:21 |
| module000 | i spend most of my working days upgrading/porting/re-configuring various linux, so i hate doing it at home :) | 02:21 |
| spsalsm | I played with 10.4 and 10.10 for a while...not pleased with the new Unity at all | 02:21 |
| spsalsm | module000 -- really? That's neat! (or is it?) | 02:21 |
| module000 | spsalsm: it's semi neat, there are occasional "aha!" moments that are enjoyable | 02:22 |
| danielveazey | Yeah, I didn't like Unity either. But I put Gnome 3 on this machine a few days ago and I think it's going to be the bees knees. | 02:22 |
| spsalsm | Fantastic. | 02:22 |
| spsalsm | module000: Are you a sysadmin? | 02:22 |
| module000 | spsalsm: yes, i work for the health insurance biz in little rock | 02:23 |
| spsalsm | Wow, that sounds like a somewhat enjoyable career. | 02:23 |
| module000 | well...the insurance is good? lol | 02:23 |
| danielveazey | I worked at Blue Cross Blue Shield as a customer service rep in 06-07 | 02:23 |
| spsalsm | I wish I could work with Linux professionally, but all our systems are Windows :( | 02:23 |
| spsalsm | lol | 02:23 |
| module000 | danielveazey: erm...that's where i work. the gaines st location | 02:24 |
| danielveazey | Me too. I worked in BlueCard. | 02:24 |
| module000 | spsalsm: probably 75% here is windows, the remaining 25% is a split between hpux/aix/linux | 02:24 |
| spsalsm | Awesome. Well, on that note, I did previously work with AIX quite a bit (since Walmart's ISPs are mainly AIX) | 02:25 |
| module000 | danielveazey: they call our dept "microservices", but they keep most of us unix/linux people segregated so we don't babble about vi | 02:25 |
| spsalsm | But never in an administrative fashion, just as an end user. | 02:25 |
| danielveazey | lol | 02:25 |
| spsalsm | lol | 02:25 |
| spsalsm | So you don't babble about vi | 02:25 |
| module000 | spsalsm: ahh, AIX is a fun beast. i did AIX admin work for [yet another] insurance company 'usable' | 02:26 |
| spsalsm | module000: Just sounds like fun, man. | 02:26 |
| spsalsm | danielveazey: So you've never gotten tired of Ubuntu? | 02:26 |
| spsalsm | 3 years, that's a long time | 02:26 |
| spsalsm | I've managed to stay married for 5, that's quite an accomplishment for me. :P | 02:27 |
| danielveazey | spsalsm: Sometimes. I tried OpenSuse and Fedora a couple times, but always came back to Ubuntu | 02:27 |
| danielveazey | Ubuntu is just so easy. I guess I should try some more thought-intensive distros so I can learn more. | 02:27 |
| spsalsm | Ubuntu is quite easy, and I am a pretty big fan of GNOME | 02:28 |
| danielveazey | I really like Gnome 3 | 02:28 |
| danielveazey | Have you tried it yet? | 02:28 |
| spsalsm | I can't say I have! | 02:28 |
| spsalsm | I tried Fedora 15 on a VM, but it said it couldn't use Gnome 3 | 02:28 |
| danielveazey | I installed it a few days ago, and I'm really enjoying it. I have had some weird stuff happen, though. Not sure if it's me or if it's bugs. | 02:29 |
| spsalsm | Perhaps I should try Ubuntu with Gnome 3 | 02:29 |
| spsalsm | And Debian.... | 02:30 |
| spsalsm | Rock solid! | 02:30 |
| danielveazey | A few applications have just completely shut down in the middle of doing stuff, no error message or anything. | 02:30 |
| spsalsm | That is a ubiquitous event that seems to span all distros, and it drives me nuts | 02:31 |
| spsalsm | Which is why I aim to become a Linux guru. | 02:31 |
| spsalsm | And, in my own little universe, that would be worthwhile and impressive. | 02:31 |
| danielveazey | +1 | 02:32 |
| spsalsm | (in the real world, though?) | 02:32 |
| module000 | spsalsm: any desire to do linux guru'isms as a career? | 02:32 |
| spsalsm | (I'll relate an event that occurred -just today-. I'm at my boss's house relating my unfailing passion for open source and Linux in particular. He looks at me and says, "Why?") | 02:33 |
| spsalsm | module000: Yes! I have a strong desire to take Linux guru skills to a career. | 02:33 |
| module000 | spsalsm: have you ever thought about red hat? most paying linux jobs will all be red hat, and they have a very solid program for sysadmin education with their distro | 02:34 |
| spsalsm | module000: Oh yes, big time. I am actually a big fan of CentOS | 02:35 |
| module000 | i learned more studying for it in 6 months doing labs in VM's, than i did in 6 years using it at home. | 02:35 |
| spsalsm | Awesome! Thanks for the heads up. | 02:35 |
| spsalsm | Do they offer this sysadmin education for free, by chance? :) | 02:35 |
| spsalsm | And you even used VM's for it. Nice! | 02:36 |
| module000 | no the redhat-provided education is expensive :) but there are great guides to teach you what parallels their exam material, and it's all the type of admin work that you use on the job | 02:37 |
| spsalsm | I have a few CentOS books, also the "Pro Linux System Administration" book. | 02:37 |
| spsalsm | from Apress | 02:37 |
| spsalsm | Well, I would be more than willing to track those down and study them. | 02:37 |
| spsalsm | Then the only question remains: Are there Linux sys admin opportunities in NWA? | 02:38 |
| module000 | yes, at a place already mentioned tonight (walmart) | 02:39 |
| spsalsm | Oh | 02:39 |
| spsalsm | Wow | 02:39 |
| spsalsm | Hrmm....that presents quite a dilemma. | 02:39 |
| spsalsm | For various reasons, I am quite reluctant to work for Walmart. | 02:40 |
| module000 | ahh...well they staff the bulk of the IT at bentonville | 02:40 |
| module000 | here is a linkt o the job posting (for both linux and aix admins): http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=302&dockey=xml/8/9/894cfe3491fbadec0b1f67448979771f@endecaindex&source=19&FREE_TEXT=linux&rating=99 | 02:40 |
| spsalsm | Yes, they do. I actually interviewed for a sys admin position with them (focused on Windows, incidentally). They gave the job to an "internal candidate", but now I'm quite okay with it. | 02:41 |
| spsalsm | Nice link! | 02:42 |
| spsalsm | Thanks | 02:42 |
| module000 | they are definately "big and evil", but really, so are the people i work for...it's just to pay the bills for me :) | 02:42 |
| spsalsm | *sigh*...isn't is always? | 02:42 |
| module000 | true true | 02:42 |
| spsalsm | Actually, I work for NCR now and it has been very rewarding. | 02:43 |
| spsalsm | Since we're a big Walmart vendor, I get to work with some of their systems without actually working -for- them. | 02:43 |
| danielveazey | I have a slightly off topic question about wireless networks | 02:43 |
| spsalsm | Pay the bills, support the family...the American dream, right? :) | 02:44 |
| module000 | spsalsm: ncr as in the atm's? | 02:44 |
| spsalsm | I'd say it's right on topic. | 02:44 |
| module000 | danielveazey: fire away | 02:44 |
| spsalsm | module000: You got it! | 02:44 |
| spsalsm | ATMs, Money Center Express (in Walmarts), Self checkouts, etc | 02:44 |
| danielveazey | Say I have a wireless router in one part of the house, but it doesn't quite reach the other end of the house. I can set up another router in the middle of the house and put it in repeater mode or something like that, right? | 02:45 |
| spsalsm | danielveazey: I would say so. | 02:45 |
| spsalsm | Although I'm not very savvy on this "repeater mode" | 02:45 |
| module000 | danielveazey: make sure the one you buy advertises that it will function that way, most of the $40 linksys's on the shelf will not | 02:45 |
| module000 | danielveazey: but yes, you got the idea | 02:46 |
| danielveazey | I have an older linksys sitting in a box somewhere that I was going to try doing it with | 02:46 |
| spsalsm | Unless you already have an extra router. Otherwise, I'd just go with an wireless extender. | 02:46 |
| spsalsm | Ah, ok | 02:46 |
| danielveazey | It's worth a shot anyway | 02:46 |
| spsalsm | I say launch a full-scale investigation on Google and give it the ol' college try | 02:46 |
| danielveazey | lol | 02:46 |
| danielveazey | stuff i'm finding is calling it a wireless bridge | 02:47 |
| spsalsm | That sounds right | 02:48 |
| danielveazey | http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Universal_Wireless_Repeater | 02:49 |
| spsalsm | module000: How about the RHCT exam? Good start, or waste of time? | 02:49 |
| module000 | spsalsm: no it's a great start, now the RHCT is replaced by the RHCSA, which is even better | 02:49 |
| spsalsm | Ohhhh | 02:49 |
| spsalsm | certified sys admin? | 02:49 |
| module000 | yep | 02:49 |
| spsalsm | I wonder how much different it is from the RHCT exam, because I found materials for that. | 02:51 |
| spsalsm | Couldn't hurt to know all of it, anyway | 02:51 |
| module000 | look at the PM i sent you | 02:51 |
| module000 | i used [a previous edition of] that guide for my rhce | 02:52 |
| spsalsm | Ooooo RHCI | 02:52 |
| spsalsm | *RHCE | 02:52 |
| spsalsm | That's pretty posh, my friend | 02:53 |
| module000 | thanks :) there is another rhce in this channel, i think his name is 'kwadroke' | 02:53 |
| module000 | or he's in here frequently | 02:53 |
| spsalsm | Very nice. Glad I stopped in! | 02:53 |
| spsalsm | I do believe I will pursue RH certification. | 02:55 |
| module000 | it's certainly worth it, and you learn(or i did) a ton in the studying process | 02:56 |
| module000 | virtualbox or your vm environment of choice becomes your best friend | 02:56 |
| spsalsm | That is exactly what I'm all about. :) Whether I find a career in it or not. | 02:56 |
| spsalsm | I'm also interested in Linux development, trying to learn Python and maybe C later on | 02:57 |
| spsalsm | Btw, do you prefer Virtualbox over VMware? | 02:57 |
| module000 | virtualbox | 02:57 |
| spsalsm | Virtualbox seems to give me less trouble overall | 02:58 |
| module000 | me too, plus it will install on most any linux system, opposed to taking over like vmware's ESX platform | 02:58 |
| spsalsm | Ah sheesh, ain't that the truth | 02:58 |
| spsalsm | Were you able to set up a test client/server environment with Virtualbox? | 02:59 |
| module000 | if you you study for the RHCSA, you will also learn another virtualization platform called KVM | 02:59 |
| spsalsm | *I mean a virtual lab type thing | 02:59 |
| module000 | but it's not quite as useful as a lab, it's more of a at-work environment | 02:59 |
| spsalsm | Ah ok | 02:59 |
| spsalsm | Whew, I hope I can learn about KVM | 02:59 |
| module000 | and yes, setup a ton of client/server environments while studying | 02:59 |
| spsalsm | I tried learning about it and Xen...a bit over my head for now | 02:59 |
| module000 | you end up probably with 4 or 5 templates of vms...nfs servers, dhcp servers, etc | 03:00 |
| module000 | so you can plug the components you need into whatever lab you are working on | 03:00 |
| spsalsm | And you can get all your RH vm instances talking to each other properly with Virtualbox? | 03:00 |
| module000 | well if you learn about KVM nowadays(or xen) , most likely it will be managed by 'libvirt', which is a layer of abstraction so that you aren't dealing directly with kvm or xen | 03:00 |
| module000 | yes | 03:00 |
| spsalsm | :D | 03:00 |
| spsalsm | That's great to hear. I wasn't sure if I'd be able to do it. Awesome! So all I will need to do is create a few Virtualbox instances of RH (or in my case, CentOS) and adjust the proper networking settings... | 03:01 |
| module000 | yes, i set them all up on what virtualbox calls a "host only network", which is basically a VLAN with no nat or internet access | 03:02 |
| module000 | or you can do them in 'bridged' mode, but host only is alot more isolated and useful IMHO | 03:02 |
| spsalsm | Sweet, thanks for the info | 03:03 |
| module000 | and if you decide to take the exams, you can sign up at redhat's site for a trial and download the real ISO's so you are familiar with the screens | 03:03 |
| spsalsm | Now that's convenient | 03:03 |
| module000 | the ISO's themselves are 100% free, you only pay to get the updates or subscription | 03:03 |
| module000 | (which are outside the scope of any of the tests) | 03:03 |
| spsalsm | Right, I remember that | 03:04 |
| spsalsm | about the updates, that is | 03:04 |
| module000 | i'm about to head out for the evening, but let me know if you need any help or have questions if you end up doing it - it's very rewarding and alot of fun | 03:05 |
| spsalsm | I can't afford a subscription (obviously), but that doesn't mean I can't install a non-upgrade system and tool around with it. | 03:05 |
| spsalsm | Right on...thanks again for all your help! Have a great evening. | 03:05 |
| module000 | you too! | 03:05 |
| module000 | going back to idling now ;] | 03:05 |
| spsalsm | danielveazey: Still on? | 03:07 |
| danielveazey | yes i'm still here. i was looking at router stuff | 03:08 |
| danielveazey | have a good night | 03:08 |
| spsalsm | Sorry for taking over the chat there | 03:08 |
| danielveazey | no problem | 03:08 |
| spsalsm | You have a great evening as well, I'll try to hit up next week. | 03:08 |
| danielveazey | word | 03:09 |
| spsalsm | and I'll try to sample Gnome 3 before then. :) | 03:09 |
| danielveazey | cool cool | 03:09 |
| danielveazey | module000 do you know python? | 03:13 |
| danielveazey | good night all | 03:16 |
| az7 | hey hey | 03:24 |
| kwadroke | ugh. got distracted by something shiny and had to work last night, so I missed the meeting | 13:39 |
| a_unix_geek | Yea, boyscouts ran over so I didn't get to it. | 14:54 |
| kwadroke | what's sad is the something shiny was a windows program :( | 15:06 |
| a_unix_geek | no shame in being OS agnostic! | 15:06 |
| kwadroke | I'd prefer that it ran on Linux (without wine) | 15:09 |
| kwadroke | especially if it needs to be ran on 6 computers at one time in order for it to be complete | 15:09 |
| a_unix_geek | What is it you're running? | 15:22 |
| kwadroke | http://artemis.eochu.com | 15:23 |
| kwadroke | it's a game | 15:24 |
| a_unix_geek | We must play this | 15:26 |
| kwadroke | I bought it | 15:27 |
| kwadroke | just a few mins ago | 15:27 |
| a_unix_geek | lol | 15:27 |
| kwadroke | played around with the demo last night | 15:28 |
| a_unix_geek | I've got a nice graphics card in my laptop. Have gear will travel | 15:28 |
| kwadroke | going to run a game sometime soon at the game store | 15:28 |
| a_unix_geek | I'm in | 15:31 |
| kwadroke | once we get a few games down, going to look at doing it for cons and such | 15:33 |
| === Tiny is now known as tiny | ||
| kwadroke | hello tiny | 21:47 |
| tiny | hi kwadorke | 21:47 |
| tiny | how's it going? | 21:47 |
| kwadroke | going ok | 21:49 |
| kwadroke | almost quittin time | 21:49 |
| kwadroke | you make it to the chat night last night? | 21:51 |
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