[02:08] <danielveazey> hello spsalsm
[02:09] <spsalsm> Hello
[02:09] <spsalsm> I'm Sean
[02:09] <danielveazey> Hello, Sean.
[02:09] <danielveazey> I'm Daniel.
[02:10] <spsalsm> Hi Daniel, great to meet you. Sean Salsman here. I live in Centerton. I'm really stoked about a NWA Linux User Group!
[02:10] <danielveazey> Right on. I used to live in Fayetteville. I moved to central AR a couple months ago.
[02:10] <danielveazey> I went to a couple of NWALUG meetings a couple years ago.
[02:10] <spsalsm> Right on.
[02:11] <danielveazey> Are you on the NWALUG mailing list?
[02:11] <spsalsm> I understand Rob lives in central AR as well
[02:11] <spsalsm> Conway, perhaps?
[02:11] <danielveazey> Just outside Conway
[02:12] <spsalsm> Not bad. I lived in Russellville, going to ATU for a few years.
[02:12] <danielveazey> Word
[02:12] <spsalsm> I'm not sure if I'm on the NWALUG mailing list...
[02:12] <spsalsm> I seem to remember signing up, but I'm just not sure. :S
[02:12] <danielveazey> http://groups.google.com/group/nwalug
[02:13] <spsalsm> I did join the Google group.
[02:13] <danielveazey> I haven't seen any emails in about a week or two. Sometimes we get some conversations going.
[02:14] <spsalsm> I've looked at 14 of the 171 discussions.
[02:14] <danielveazey> Hehe
[02:14] <spsalsm> I haven't the gaul or the gumption to look at the rest yet.
[02:15] <spsalsm> I just decided to go back to Arch after a brief stint with Gentoo.
[02:16] <danielveazey> I don't think I have the gaul or gumption to try either of those. I've been easing into Ubuntu for about 3 years, very gradually moving out into deeper water.
[02:17] <spsalsm> Nice!
[02:17] <spsalsm> Nothing wrong with that.
[02:17] <spsalsm> Well, I'm the perpetually discontent type that can't stay with one distro. A regular hopper. I just can't commit.
[02:18] <danielveazey> Hehe. I think I might try something new on my desktop machine sometime soon. I do most of my stuff on my laptop, so I'll keep Ubuntu on it.
[02:19] <spsalsm> Right on.
[02:19] <spsalsm> I have only a laptop.
[02:19] <spsalsm> So which Ubuntu release was your first?
[02:19] <module000> i like debian on my desktop, simply because i know major release upgrades are few and far between
[02:19] <module000> (ergo i'm lazy)
[02:19] <danielveazey> lol
[02:20] <spsalsm> Hello module000, I completely understand that!
[02:20] <spsalsm> What do you dislike about major release upgrades?
[02:20] <module000> mostly the upgrade times and any manual changes i have to make
[02:20] <danielveazey> I think I started with either 7.04 or 7.10, but I didn't stick with either of those very long. I bought a Dellbuntu laptop with 8.04 on it, and have upgraded every 6 months since then.
[02:21] <spsalsm> Dellbuntu...very interesting.
[02:21] <module000> i spend most of my working days upgrading/porting/re-configuring various linux, so i hate doing it at home :)
[02:21] <spsalsm> I played with 10.4 and 10.10 for a while...not pleased with the new Unity at all
[02:21] <spsalsm> module000 -- really? That's neat! (or is it?)
[02:22] <module000> spsalsm: it's semi neat, there are occasional "aha!" moments that are enjoyable
[02:22] <danielveazey> Yeah, I didn't like Unity either. But I put Gnome 3 on this machine a few days ago and I think it's going to be the bees knees.
[02:22] <spsalsm> Fantastic.
[02:22] <spsalsm> module000: Are you a sysadmin?
[02:23] <module000> spsalsm: yes, i work for the health insurance biz in little rock
[02:23] <spsalsm> Wow, that sounds like a somewhat enjoyable career.
[02:23] <module000> well...the insurance is good? lol
[02:23] <danielveazey> I worked at Blue Cross Blue Shield as a customer service rep in 06-07
[02:23] <spsalsm> I wish I could work with Linux professionally, but all our systems are Windows :(
[02:23] <spsalsm> lol
[02:24] <module000> danielveazey: erm...that's where i work. the gaines st location
[02:24] <danielveazey> Me too. I worked in BlueCard.
[02:24] <module000> spsalsm: probably 75% here is windows, the remaining 25% is a split between hpux/aix/linux
[02:25] <spsalsm> Awesome. Well, on that note, I did previously work with AIX quite a bit (since Walmart's ISPs are mainly AIX)
[02:25] <module000> danielveazey: they call our dept "microservices", but they keep most of us unix/linux people segregated so we don't babble about vi
[02:25] <spsalsm> But never in an administrative fashion, just as an end user.
[02:25] <danielveazey> lol
[02:25] <spsalsm> lol
[02:25] <spsalsm> So you don't babble about vi
[02:26] <module000> spsalsm: ahh, AIX is a fun beast. i did AIX admin work for [yet another] insurance company 'usable'
[02:26] <spsalsm> module000: Just sounds like fun, man.
[02:26] <spsalsm> danielveazey: So you've never gotten tired of Ubuntu?
[02:26] <spsalsm> 3 years, that's a long time
[02:27] <spsalsm> I've managed to stay married for 5, that's quite an accomplishment for me. :P
[02:27] <danielveazey> spsalsm: Sometimes. I tried OpenSuse and Fedora a couple times, but always came back to Ubuntu
[02:27] <danielveazey> Ubuntu is just so easy. I guess I should try some more thought-intensive distros so I can learn more.
[02:28] <spsalsm> Ubuntu is quite easy, and I am a pretty big fan of GNOME
[02:28] <danielveazey> I really like Gnome 3
[02:28] <danielveazey> Have you tried it yet?
[02:28] <spsalsm> I can't say I have!
[02:28] <spsalsm> I tried Fedora 15 on a VM, but it said it couldn't use Gnome 3
[02:29] <danielveazey> I installed it a few days ago, and I'm really enjoying it. I have had some weird stuff happen, though. Not sure if it's me or if it's bugs.
[02:29] <spsalsm> Perhaps I should try Ubuntu with Gnome 3
[02:30] <spsalsm> And Debian....
[02:30] <spsalsm> Rock solid!
[02:30] <danielveazey> A few applications have just completely shut down in the middle of doing stuff, no error message or anything.
[02:31] <spsalsm> That is a ubiquitous event that seems to span all distros, and it drives me nuts
[02:31] <spsalsm> Which is why I aim to become a Linux guru.
[02:31] <spsalsm> And, in my own little universe, that would be worthwhile and impressive.
[02:32] <danielveazey> +1
[02:32] <spsalsm> (in the real world, though?)
[02:32] <module000> spsalsm: any desire to do linux guru'isms as a career?
[02:33] <spsalsm> (I'll relate an event that occurred -just today-. I'm at my boss's house relating my unfailing passion for open source and Linux in particular. He looks at me and says, "Why?")
[02:33] <spsalsm> module000: Yes! I have a strong desire to take Linux guru skills to a career.
[02:34] <module000> spsalsm: have you ever thought about red hat? most paying linux jobs will all be red hat, and they have a very solid program for sysadmin education with their distro
[02:35] <spsalsm> module000: Oh yes, big time. I am actually a big fan of CentOS
[02:35] <module000> i learned more studying for it in 6 months doing labs in VM's, than i did in 6 years using it at home.
[02:35] <spsalsm> Awesome! Thanks for the heads up.
[02:35] <spsalsm> Do they offer this sysadmin education for free, by chance? :)
[02:36] <spsalsm> And you even used VM's for it. Nice!
[02:37] <module000> no the redhat-provided education is expensive :) but there are great guides to teach you what parallels their exam material, and it's all the type of admin work that you use on the job
[02:37] <spsalsm> I have a few CentOS books, also the "Pro Linux System Administration" book.
[02:37] <spsalsm> from Apress
[02:37] <spsalsm> Well, I would be more than willing to track those down and study them.
[02:38] <spsalsm> Then the only question remains: Are there Linux sys admin opportunities in NWA?
[02:39] <module000> yes, at a place already mentioned tonight (walmart)
[02:39] <spsalsm> Oh
[02:39] <spsalsm> Wow
[02:39] <spsalsm> Hrmm....that presents quite a dilemma.
[02:40] <spsalsm> For various reasons, I am quite reluctant to work for Walmart.
[02:40] <module000> ahh...well they staff the bulk of the IT at bentonville
[02:40] <module000> here is a linkt o the job posting (for both linux and aix admins): http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=302&dockey=xml/8/9/894cfe3491fbadec0b1f67448979771f@endecaindex&source=19&FREE_TEXT=linux&rating=99
[02:41] <spsalsm> Yes, they do. I actually interviewed for a sys admin position with them (focused on Windows, incidentally). They gave the job to an "internal candidate", but now I'm quite okay with it.
[02:42] <spsalsm> Nice link!
[02:42] <spsalsm> Thanks
[02:42] <module000> they are definately "big and evil", but really, so are the people i work for...it's just to pay the bills for me :)
[02:42] <spsalsm> *sigh*...isn't is always?
[02:42] <module000> true true
[02:43] <spsalsm> Actually, I work for NCR now and it has been very rewarding.
[02:43] <spsalsm> Since we're a big Walmart vendor, I get to work with some of their systems without actually working -for- them.
[02:43] <danielveazey> I have a slightly off topic question about wireless networks
[02:44] <spsalsm> Pay the bills, support the family...the American dream, right? :)
[02:44] <module000> spsalsm: ncr as in the atm's?
[02:44] <spsalsm> I'd say it's right on topic.
[02:44] <module000> danielveazey: fire away
[02:44] <spsalsm> module000: You got it!
[02:44] <spsalsm> ATMs, Money Center Express (in Walmarts), Self checkouts, etc
[02:45] <danielveazey> Say I have a wireless router in one part of the house, but it doesn't quite reach the other end of the house. I can set up another router in the middle of the house and put it in repeater mode or something like that, right?
[02:45] <spsalsm> danielveazey: I would say so.
[02:45] <spsalsm> Although I'm not very savvy on this "repeater mode"
[02:45] <module000> danielveazey: make sure the one you buy advertises that it will function that way, most of the $40 linksys's on the shelf will not
[02:46] <module000> danielveazey: but yes, you got the idea
[02:46] <danielveazey> I have an older linksys sitting in a box somewhere that I was going to try doing it with
[02:46] <spsalsm> Unless you already have an extra router. Otherwise, I'd just go with an wireless extender.
[02:46] <spsalsm> Ah, ok
[02:46] <danielveazey> It's worth a shot anyway
[02:46] <spsalsm> I say launch a full-scale investigation on Google and give it the ol' college try
[02:46] <danielveazey> lol
[02:47] <danielveazey> stuff i'm finding is calling it a wireless bridge
[02:48] <spsalsm> That sounds right
[02:49] <danielveazey> http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Universal_Wireless_Repeater
[02:49] <spsalsm> module000: How about the RHCT exam? Good start, or waste of time?
[02:49] <module000> spsalsm: no it's a great start, now the RHCT is replaced by the RHCSA, which is even better
[02:49] <spsalsm> Ohhhh
[02:49] <spsalsm> certified sys admin?
[02:49] <module000> yep
[02:51] <spsalsm> I wonder how much different it is from the RHCT exam, because I found materials for that.
[02:51] <spsalsm> Couldn't hurt to know all of it, anyway
[02:51] <module000> look at the PM i sent you
[02:52] <module000> i used [a previous edition of] that guide for my rhce
[02:52] <spsalsm> Ooooo RHCI
[02:52] <spsalsm> *RHCE
[02:53] <spsalsm> That's pretty posh, my friend
[02:53] <module000> thanks :) there is another rhce in this channel, i think his name is 'kwadroke'
[02:53] <module000> or he's in here frequently
[02:53] <spsalsm> Very nice. Glad I stopped in!
[02:55] <spsalsm> I do believe I will pursue RH certification.
[02:56] <module000> it's certainly worth it, and you learn(or i did) a ton in the studying process
[02:56] <module000> virtualbox or your vm environment of choice becomes your best friend
[02:56] <spsalsm> That is exactly what I'm all about. :) Whether I find a career in it or not.
[02:57] <spsalsm> I'm also interested in Linux development, trying to learn Python and maybe C later on
[02:57] <spsalsm> Btw, do you prefer Virtualbox over VMware?
[02:57] <module000> virtualbox
[02:58] <spsalsm> Virtualbox seems to give me less trouble overall
[02:58] <module000> me too, plus it will install on most any linux system, opposed to taking over like vmware's ESX platform
[02:58] <spsalsm> Ah sheesh, ain't that the truth
[02:59] <spsalsm> Were you able to set up a test client/server environment with Virtualbox?
[02:59] <module000> if you you study for the RHCSA, you will also learn another virtualization platform called KVM
[02:59] <spsalsm> *I mean a virtual lab type thing
[02:59] <module000> but it's not quite as useful as a lab, it's more of a at-work environment
[02:59] <spsalsm> Ah ok
[02:59] <spsalsm> Whew, I hope I can learn about KVM
[02:59] <module000> and yes, setup a ton of client/server environments while studying
[02:59] <spsalsm> I tried learning about it and Xen...a bit over my head for now
[03:00] <module000> you end up probably with 4 or 5 templates of vms...nfs servers, dhcp servers, etc
[03:00] <module000> so you can plug the components you need into whatever lab you are working on
[03:00] <spsalsm> And you can get all your RH vm instances talking to each other properly with Virtualbox?
[03:00] <module000> well if you learn about KVM nowadays(or xen) , most likely it will be managed by 'libvirt', which is a layer of abstraction so that you aren't dealing directly with kvm or xen
[03:00] <module000> yes
[03:00] <spsalsm> :D
[03:01] <spsalsm> That's great to hear. I wasn't sure if I'd be able to do it. Awesome! So all I will need to do is create a few Virtualbox instances of RH (or in my case, CentOS) and adjust the proper networking settings...
[03:02] <module000> yes, i set them all up on what virtualbox calls a "host only network", which is basically a VLAN with no nat or internet access
[03:02] <module000> or you can do them in 'bridged' mode, but host only is alot more isolated and useful IMHO
[03:03] <spsalsm> Sweet, thanks for the info
[03:03] <module000> and if you decide to take the exams, you can sign up at redhat's site for a trial and download the real ISO's so you are familiar with the screens
[03:03] <spsalsm> Now that's convenient
[03:03] <module000> the ISO's themselves are 100% free, you only pay to get the updates or subscription
[03:03] <module000> (which are outside the scope of any of the tests)
[03:04] <spsalsm> Right, I remember that
[03:04] <spsalsm> about the updates, that is
[03:05] <module000> i'm about to head out for the evening, but let me know if you need any help or have questions if you end up doing it - it's very rewarding and alot of fun
[03:05] <spsalsm> I can't afford a subscription (obviously), but that doesn't mean I can't install a non-upgrade system and tool around with it.
[03:05] <spsalsm> Right on...thanks again for all your help! Have a great evening.
[03:05] <module000> you too!
[03:05] <module000> going back to idling now ;]
[03:07] <spsalsm> danielveazey: Still on?
[03:08] <danielveazey> yes i'm still here. i was looking at router stuff
[03:08] <danielveazey> have a good night
[03:08] <spsalsm> Sorry for taking over the chat there
[03:08] <danielveazey> no problem
[03:08] <spsalsm> You have a great evening as well, I'll try to hit up next week.
[03:09] <danielveazey> word
[03:09] <spsalsm> and I'll try to sample Gnome 3 before then. :)
[03:09] <danielveazey> cool cool
[03:13] <danielveazey> module000 do you know python?
[03:16] <danielveazey> good night all
[03:24] <az7> hey hey
[13:39] <kwadroke> ugh. got distracted by something shiny and had to work last night, so I missed the meeting
[14:54] <a_unix_geek> Yea, boyscouts ran over so I didn't get to it.
[15:06] <kwadroke> what's sad is the something shiny was a windows program :(
[15:06] <a_unix_geek> no shame in being OS agnostic!
[15:09] <kwadroke> I'd prefer that it ran on Linux (without wine)
[15:09] <kwadroke> especially if it needs to be ran on 6 computers at one time in order for it to be complete
[15:22] <a_unix_geek> What is it you're running?
[15:23] <kwadroke> http://artemis.eochu.com
[15:24] <kwadroke> it's a game
[15:26] <a_unix_geek> We must play this
[15:27] <kwadroke> I bought it
[15:27] <kwadroke> just a few mins ago
[15:27] <a_unix_geek> lol
[15:28] <kwadroke> played around with the demo last night
[15:28] <a_unix_geek> I've got a nice graphics card in my laptop.  Have gear will travel
[15:28] <kwadroke> going to run a game sometime soon at the game store
[15:31] <a_unix_geek> I'm in
[15:33] <kwadroke> once we get a few games down, going to look at doing it for cons and such
[21:47] <kwadroke> hello tiny
[21:47] <tiny> hi kwadorke
[21:47] <tiny> how's it going?
[21:49] <kwadroke> going ok
[21:49] <kwadroke> almost quittin time
[21:51] <kwadroke> you make it to the chat night last night?