[02:08] hello spsalsm [02:09] Hello [02:09] I'm Sean [02:09] Hello, Sean. [02:09] I'm Daniel. [02:10] Hi Daniel, great to meet you. Sean Salsman here. I live in Centerton. I'm really stoked about a NWA Linux User Group! [02:10] Right on. I used to live in Fayetteville. I moved to central AR a couple months ago. [02:10] I went to a couple of NWALUG meetings a couple years ago. [02:10] Right on. [02:11] Are you on the NWALUG mailing list? [02:11] I understand Rob lives in central AR as well [02:11] Conway, perhaps? [02:11] Just outside Conway [02:12] Not bad. I lived in Russellville, going to ATU for a few years. [02:12] Word [02:12] I'm not sure if I'm on the NWALUG mailing list... [02:12] I seem to remember signing up, but I'm just not sure. :S [02:12] http://groups.google.com/group/nwalug [02:13] I did join the Google group. [02:13] I haven't seen any emails in about a week or two. Sometimes we get some conversations going. [02:14] I've looked at 14 of the 171 discussions. [02:14] Hehe [02:14] I haven't the gaul or the gumption to look at the rest yet. [02:15] I just decided to go back to Arch after a brief stint with Gentoo. [02:16] I don't think I have the gaul or gumption to try either of those. I've been easing into Ubuntu for about 3 years, very gradually moving out into deeper water. [02:17] Nice! [02:17] Nothing wrong with that. [02:17] Well, I'm the perpetually discontent type that can't stay with one distro. A regular hopper. I just can't commit. [02:18] Hehe. I think I might try something new on my desktop machine sometime soon. I do most of my stuff on my laptop, so I'll keep Ubuntu on it. [02:19] Right on. [02:19] I have only a laptop. [02:19] So which Ubuntu release was your first? [02:19] i like debian on my desktop, simply because i know major release upgrades are few and far between [02:19] (ergo i'm lazy) [02:19] lol [02:20] Hello module000, I completely understand that! [02:20] What do you dislike about major release upgrades? [02:20] mostly the upgrade times and any manual changes i have to make [02:20] I think I started with either 7.04 or 7.10, but I didn't stick with either of those very long. I bought a Dellbuntu laptop with 8.04 on it, and have upgraded every 6 months since then. [02:21] Dellbuntu...very interesting. [02:21] i spend most of my working days upgrading/porting/re-configuring various linux, so i hate doing it at home :) [02:21] I played with 10.4 and 10.10 for a while...not pleased with the new Unity at all [02:21] module000 -- really? That's neat! (or is it?) [02:22] spsalsm: it's semi neat, there are occasional "aha!" moments that are enjoyable [02:22] Yeah, I didn't like Unity either. But I put Gnome 3 on this machine a few days ago and I think it's going to be the bees knees. [02:22] Fantastic. [02:22] module000: Are you a sysadmin? [02:23] spsalsm: yes, i work for the health insurance biz in little rock [02:23] Wow, that sounds like a somewhat enjoyable career. [02:23] well...the insurance is good? lol [02:23] I worked at Blue Cross Blue Shield as a customer service rep in 06-07 [02:23] I wish I could work with Linux professionally, but all our systems are Windows :( [02:23] lol [02:24] danielveazey: erm...that's where i work. the gaines st location [02:24] Me too. I worked in BlueCard. [02:24] spsalsm: probably 75% here is windows, the remaining 25% is a split between hpux/aix/linux [02:25] Awesome. Well, on that note, I did previously work with AIX quite a bit (since Walmart's ISPs are mainly AIX) [02:25] danielveazey: they call our dept "microservices", but they keep most of us unix/linux people segregated so we don't babble about vi [02:25] But never in an administrative fashion, just as an end user. [02:25] lol [02:25] lol [02:25] So you don't babble about vi [02:26] spsalsm: ahh, AIX is a fun beast. i did AIX admin work for [yet another] insurance company 'usable' [02:26] module000: Just sounds like fun, man. [02:26] danielveazey: So you've never gotten tired of Ubuntu? [02:26] 3 years, that's a long time [02:27] I've managed to stay married for 5, that's quite an accomplishment for me. :P [02:27] spsalsm: Sometimes. I tried OpenSuse and Fedora a couple times, but always came back to Ubuntu [02:27] Ubuntu is just so easy. I guess I should try some more thought-intensive distros so I can learn more. [02:28] Ubuntu is quite easy, and I am a pretty big fan of GNOME [02:28] I really like Gnome 3 [02:28] Have you tried it yet? [02:28] I can't say I have! [02:28] I tried Fedora 15 on a VM, but it said it couldn't use Gnome 3 [02:29] I installed it a few days ago, and I'm really enjoying it. I have had some weird stuff happen, though. Not sure if it's me or if it's bugs. [02:29] Perhaps I should try Ubuntu with Gnome 3 [02:30] And Debian.... [02:30] Rock solid! [02:30] A few applications have just completely shut down in the middle of doing stuff, no error message or anything. [02:31] That is a ubiquitous event that seems to span all distros, and it drives me nuts [02:31] Which is why I aim to become a Linux guru. [02:31] And, in my own little universe, that would be worthwhile and impressive. [02:32] +1 [02:32] (in the real world, though?) [02:32] spsalsm: any desire to do linux guru'isms as a career? [02:33] (I'll relate an event that occurred -just today-. I'm at my boss's house relating my unfailing passion for open source and Linux in particular. He looks at me and says, "Why?") [02:33] module000: Yes! I have a strong desire to take Linux guru skills to a career. [02:34] spsalsm: have you ever thought about red hat? most paying linux jobs will all be red hat, and they have a very solid program for sysadmin education with their distro [02:35] module000: Oh yes, big time. I am actually a big fan of CentOS [02:35] i learned more studying for it in 6 months doing labs in VM's, than i did in 6 years using it at home. [02:35] Awesome! Thanks for the heads up. [02:35] Do they offer this sysadmin education for free, by chance? :) [02:36] And you even used VM's for it. Nice! [02:37] no the redhat-provided education is expensive :) but there are great guides to teach you what parallels their exam material, and it's all the type of admin work that you use on the job [02:37] I have a few CentOS books, also the "Pro Linux System Administration" book. [02:37] from Apress [02:37] Well, I would be more than willing to track those down and study them. [02:38] Then the only question remains: Are there Linux sys admin opportunities in NWA? [02:39] yes, at a place already mentioned tonight (walmart) [02:39] Oh [02:39] Wow [02:39] Hrmm....that presents quite a dilemma. [02:40] For various reasons, I am quite reluctant to work for Walmart. [02:40] ahh...well they staff the bulk of the IT at bentonville [02:40] here is a linkt o the job posting (for both linux and aix admins): http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=302&dockey=xml/8/9/894cfe3491fbadec0b1f67448979771f@endecaindex&source=19&FREE_TEXT=linux&rating=99 [02:41] Yes, they do. I actually interviewed for a sys admin position with them (focused on Windows, incidentally). They gave the job to an "internal candidate", but now I'm quite okay with it. [02:42] Nice link! [02:42] Thanks [02:42] they are definately "big and evil", but really, so are the people i work for...it's just to pay the bills for me :) [02:42] *sigh*...isn't is always? [02:42] true true [02:43] Actually, I work for NCR now and it has been very rewarding. [02:43] Since we're a big Walmart vendor, I get to work with some of their systems without actually working -for- them. [02:43] I have a slightly off topic question about wireless networks [02:44] Pay the bills, support the family...the American dream, right? :) [02:44] spsalsm: ncr as in the atm's? [02:44] I'd say it's right on topic. [02:44] danielveazey: fire away [02:44] module000: You got it! [02:44] ATMs, Money Center Express (in Walmarts), Self checkouts, etc [02:45] Say I have a wireless router in one part of the house, but it doesn't quite reach the other end of the house. I can set up another router in the middle of the house and put it in repeater mode or something like that, right? [02:45] danielveazey: I would say so. [02:45] Although I'm not very savvy on this "repeater mode" [02:45] danielveazey: make sure the one you buy advertises that it will function that way, most of the $40 linksys's on the shelf will not [02:46] danielveazey: but yes, you got the idea [02:46] I have an older linksys sitting in a box somewhere that I was going to try doing it with [02:46] Unless you already have an extra router. Otherwise, I'd just go with an wireless extender. [02:46] Ah, ok [02:46] It's worth a shot anyway [02:46] I say launch a full-scale investigation on Google and give it the ol' college try [02:46] lol [02:47] stuff i'm finding is calling it a wireless bridge [02:48] That sounds right [02:49] http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Universal_Wireless_Repeater [02:49] module000: How about the RHCT exam? Good start, or waste of time? [02:49] spsalsm: no it's a great start, now the RHCT is replaced by the RHCSA, which is even better [02:49] Ohhhh [02:49] certified sys admin? [02:49] yep [02:51] I wonder how much different it is from the RHCT exam, because I found materials for that. [02:51] Couldn't hurt to know all of it, anyway [02:51] look at the PM i sent you [02:52] i used [a previous edition of] that guide for my rhce [02:52] Ooooo RHCI [02:52] *RHCE [02:53] That's pretty posh, my friend [02:53] thanks :) there is another rhce in this channel, i think his name is 'kwadroke' [02:53] or he's in here frequently [02:53] Very nice. Glad I stopped in! [02:55] I do believe I will pursue RH certification. [02:56] it's certainly worth it, and you learn(or i did) a ton in the studying process [02:56] virtualbox or your vm environment of choice becomes your best friend [02:56] That is exactly what I'm all about. :) Whether I find a career in it or not. [02:57] I'm also interested in Linux development, trying to learn Python and maybe C later on [02:57] Btw, do you prefer Virtualbox over VMware? [02:57] virtualbox [02:58] Virtualbox seems to give me less trouble overall [02:58] me too, plus it will install on most any linux system, opposed to taking over like vmware's ESX platform [02:58] Ah sheesh, ain't that the truth [02:59] Were you able to set up a test client/server environment with Virtualbox? [02:59] if you you study for the RHCSA, you will also learn another virtualization platform called KVM [02:59] *I mean a virtual lab type thing [02:59] but it's not quite as useful as a lab, it's more of a at-work environment [02:59] Ah ok [02:59] Whew, I hope I can learn about KVM [02:59] and yes, setup a ton of client/server environments while studying [02:59] I tried learning about it and Xen...a bit over my head for now [03:00] you end up probably with 4 or 5 templates of vms...nfs servers, dhcp servers, etc [03:00] so you can plug the components you need into whatever lab you are working on [03:00] And you can get all your RH vm instances talking to each other properly with Virtualbox? [03:00] well if you learn about KVM nowadays(or xen) , most likely it will be managed by 'libvirt', which is a layer of abstraction so that you aren't dealing directly with kvm or xen [03:00] yes [03:00] :D [03:01] That's great to hear. I wasn't sure if I'd be able to do it. Awesome! So all I will need to do is create a few Virtualbox instances of RH (or in my case, CentOS) and adjust the proper networking settings... [03:02] yes, i set them all up on what virtualbox calls a "host only network", which is basically a VLAN with no nat or internet access [03:02] or you can do them in 'bridged' mode, but host only is alot more isolated and useful IMHO [03:03] Sweet, thanks for the info [03:03] and if you decide to take the exams, you can sign up at redhat's site for a trial and download the real ISO's so you are familiar with the screens [03:03] Now that's convenient [03:03] the ISO's themselves are 100% free, you only pay to get the updates or subscription [03:03] (which are outside the scope of any of the tests) [03:04] Right, I remember that [03:04] about the updates, that is [03:05] i'm about to head out for the evening, but let me know if you need any help or have questions if you end up doing it - it's very rewarding and alot of fun [03:05] I can't afford a subscription (obviously), but that doesn't mean I can't install a non-upgrade system and tool around with it. [03:05] Right on...thanks again for all your help! Have a great evening. [03:05] you too! [03:05] going back to idling now ;] [03:07] danielveazey: Still on? [03:08] yes i'm still here. i was looking at router stuff [03:08] have a good night [03:08] Sorry for taking over the chat there [03:08] no problem [03:08] You have a great evening as well, I'll try to hit up next week. [03:09] word [03:09] and I'll try to sample Gnome 3 before then. :) [03:09] cool cool [03:13] module000 do you know python? [03:16] good night all [03:24] hey hey [13:39] ugh. got distracted by something shiny and had to work last night, so I missed the meeting [14:54] Yea, boyscouts ran over so I didn't get to it. [15:06] what's sad is the something shiny was a windows program :( [15:06] no shame in being OS agnostic! [15:09] I'd prefer that it ran on Linux (without wine) [15:09] especially if it needs to be ran on 6 computers at one time in order for it to be complete [15:22] What is it you're running? [15:23] http://artemis.eochu.com [15:24] it's a game [15:26] We must play this [15:27] I bought it [15:27] just a few mins ago [15:27] lol [15:28] played around with the demo last night [15:28] I've got a nice graphics card in my laptop. Have gear will travel [15:28] going to run a game sometime soon at the game store [15:31] I'm in [15:33] once we get a few games down, going to look at doing it for cons and such === Tiny is now known as tiny [21:47] hello tiny [21:47] hi kwadorke [21:47] how's it going? [21:49] going ok [21:49] almost quittin time [21:51] you make it to the chat night last night?