[06:27] <philipballew> where's a place I can store a picture online where i can give anyone the link and its never gonna change?
[06:30] <nhaines> Ubuntu One?
[06:36] <philipballew> i have never used ubuntu one. what exactly is it? cloud service?
[06:38] <philipballew> i am always Leary of the government looking at what I put up there
[06:41] <rww> imgur.com
[06:43] <philipballew> seems simple enough rww
[06:45] <gua> imgur technically does expire photos if they aren't accessed after a certain amount of time. something like 6 months.
[06:46] <gua> there was some controversy over facebook keeping around deleted photos and links for them still working, so one person i saw (jokingly) suggested facebook as a host for indefinite image storage
[06:47] <nhaines> My recommendation, if you are leary of "the government" looking at what you put online, my recommendation is not to put it online.
[06:48] <nhaines> And yes, Ubuntu One is a cloud service.  https://one.ubuntu.com/
[06:51] <philipballew> yeah. it just depends on what I do with it. you dont always know where the servers are located with cloud services
[06:58] <nhaines> Yes, but if you host something on a publically-accessible resource, then it is public.
[06:59] <philipballew> well I dont plan on putting anything that would be offensive or illegal
[07:02] <nhaines> Then why does it matter if "the government" looks at it?
[07:03] <philipballew> the government probably will store it somewhere and keep it in a file they have of me. maybe...
[07:03] <gua> leery* unless we are referring to Denis Leary
[07:04] <nhaines> And if a government wanted to do this, it would matter whether it was on a "cloud storage" platform or on a web hosting platform?
[07:04] <gua> philipballew: best place is to have your own server of sorts. ideally a home server but colocation or a vps works pretty well also.
[07:04] <philipballew> i have a home server. but all i have is ssh set up
[07:05] <philipballew> gua, not that firefighter dude :)
[07:05] <philipballew> i can set up something like that probably if i wanna pay for a domain and what not
[07:05] <rww> is this log going in the file too
[07:05] <rww> hi fbi!
[07:06] <philipballew> the FbI is awesome and everything they do is for the good of our country
[07:06] <philipballew> I paid my taxes this year
[07:06] <philipballew> because I love my country
[07:06] <nhaines> Also the FBI doesn't handle taxes.
[07:07] <philipballew> thank you nhaines :)
[07:12] <philipballew> its all the same organization though in many ways
[07:17] <nhaines> Not that many ways.
[07:22] <philipballew> i worked for the government nhaines. I've seen its all about serving your boss. i'm currently on leave though
[07:24] <philipballew> but the pay was nice
[07:24] <philipballew> 15 an hour
[07:30] <bkerensa> philipballew: You shouldnt worry about the gov taking your images an archiving them :) archive.org already does that along with hundreds of other private archives that send out crawlers
[07:31] <philipballew> just dont put up ill otten files
[07:31] <bkerensa> Plus if some theories are to be believed every bit of data whether it is e-mails, phone calls, images etc is all archived
[07:34] <bkerensa> philipballew: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/homefront/interviews/klein.html
[07:35] <philipballew> you can get goverment emails for free if you want
[07:35] <philipballew> sometimes it cost money
[07:37] <bkerensa> "In one row, they installed a cabinet that had optical splitters in it. So there were optical splitters, which basically were connected by fiber-optic cable down to the secret room on the sixth floor. ..."
[07:38] <bkerensa> the room they are talking about handles one of the largest backbones in the world as far as data goes
[07:39] <philipballew> in san fran att has a office that controlls like every part of our countries commutation. the government monitors it
[07:39] <rww> yes, that's what the link is about
[07:40] <gua> but can the govt mitm tls is what i wonder
[07:40] <bkerensa> philipballew: Nah not all of our communications.... Only West Coast and Asia go through the Folsom Street Hub
[07:41] <bkerensa> East Coast and Europe all have hubs too and of course a Midwest hub in Kansas City
[07:41] <philipballew> thats probably a high target for attack here
[07:41] <bkerensa> likely though every carrier that operates a hub building has some sort of secret room where they divert data to be analyzed and filtered
[07:42] <bkerensa> Hmm idk if it would be a target
[07:42] <philipballew> if that goes down all commutation goes down I would think
[07:43] <bkerensa> idk... probably high impact\
[07:43] <bkerensa> but the fiber they are talking about is underground and some of it goes under the SF Bay and ocean
[07:44] <philipballew> true. but there's better things to worry about. like power. did you hear about the power outage in san diego?
[07:44] <bkerensa> I'm sure there are some ways to divert internet traffic but it would cause major problems
[07:44] <philipballew> and everything would be slow
[07:45] <bkerensa> Yeah power is important but at the same time Telecom powers money
[07:45] <bkerensa> if banks cant access their mainframes then people dont have access to their money
[07:45] <philipballew> its weird how much we need power and the phone lines
[07:45] <bkerensa> Our society relies far to much on data these days
[07:45] <bkerensa> indeed
[07:46] <philipballew> when power went down here we had to close school because people would not be able to drive here as stop lights didnt work
[07:47] <philipballew> and the internet was down... major headache
[07:47] <bkerensa> It should be mandatory though that all banks have a server in each region which mirrors local customer data and syncs often and frequently so if something epic happened banks could still access customer data and give people money instead of relying on centralized systems in one part of the country
[07:48] <philipballew> they probably see a central server as more secure?
[07:48] <bkerensa> philipballew: Oh thats not good... In Northern Cali where I grew up the power goes out for many hours every winter during wind storms so people get used to it
[07:48] <philipballew> where in nor cal?
[07:49] <bkerensa> philipballew: I think most companies definition of secure these days is lacking severely.... With all the companies that have been SQL injected and had plaintext databases idk
[07:49] <bkerensa> philipballew: Crescent City, CA
[07:49] <bkerensa> Tsunami Central
[07:49] <bkerensa> :)
[07:49] <philipballew> nice! that is a good area. I was just about to say that :)
[07:49] <philipballew> im from auburn.
[07:49] <bkerensa> yeah its ok up there but gets boring quick
[07:50] <philipballew> not much to do?
[07:50]  * bkerensa is thinking about doing a vacation trip there soon
[07:50] <bkerensa> philipballew: Uhh not really? Surf, Drink and Uhh Commercial Fishing :)
[07:51] <philipballew> if you ever come to sd and need a cheep place to stay a couple nights. my floor is open. ive been to euraka and thats all
[07:51] <bkerensa> LOL
[07:52] <bkerensa> If I got to SD I will likely drive into TJ and stay there for the night
[07:52]  * bkerensa loves Mexico
[07:53] <philipballew> bkerensa, i dont wanna have to go to your funeral :)
[07:53] <bkerensa> ?
[07:53] <bkerensa> its safe
[07:53] <philipballew> its very unsafe lately?
[07:53] <bkerensa> yeah for gringos :D
[07:53] <philipballew> the drug lords are taking control
[07:53]  * bkerensa has family in Mexico
[07:54]  * bkerensa has a very small amount of Mexican blood in him :)
[07:54] <philipballew> i might go there next month
[07:54] <philipballew> my school goes once a month and builds an orphanage
[07:54] <bkerensa> nice
[07:55] <philipballew> the food is really good. thats just my opinion though
[07:55] <bkerensa> Uhh heck yeah and the soda!
[07:56]  * bkerensa has a friend in Oakland and in Eureka who use Ubuntu and always asking me questions.... I told them to contact Ubuntu California :)
[07:56]  * bkerensa is going to head to bed ttyl!
[07:56] <philipballew> ttyl dude!
[19:01] <pleia2> I'll be giving some short Introduction to Ubuntu talks at ITT Tech for a couple Intro to Linux classes next week :)
[19:02] <pleia2> Oakland and Concord campuses
[19:02] <pleia2> not open to the public, but hey neat
[19:04] <grantbow> pleia2: cool! grats
[19:05] <pleia2> thanks :)
[19:07] <johansmitsNL>  I have a question about X-Forwarded-Proto within the lighttp config, can some one help me out?
[19:14] <grantbow> best not to ask to ask, just ask http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[19:17] <pleia2> grantbow: that link tends to be a bit off-putting :\
[19:18] <grantbow> what do you recommend instead?
[19:18] <pleia2> the message without the link :)
[19:18] <grantbow> I know what yo mean
[19:18] <pleia2> 12:18:51 < ubottu> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[19:19] <pleia2> ^^ that's what most ubuntu channels use
[19:20] <johansmitsNL> I understand the answer, I will ask my question again
[19:20] <grantbow> the information it contains is quite useful and informative
[19:21] <johansmitsNL> I have a stunnel --> haproxy --> lighttp setup, between haproxy and lighttp communication is standard http (80). Haproxy adds X-Forwarded-Proto: https. How can I check within the lighttp that the X-Forwarded-Proto header contains https, so that I can do a redirect if it does not have it
[19:23] <philipballew> Internet browser. Firefox or chrome?
[19:23] <johansmitsNL> I use curl for testing
[19:23] <johansmitsNL> but normally I use FF
[19:24] <pleia2> johansmitsNL: can you shut down the other portions of the tunnel to just test lighttp directly?
[19:24] <pleia2> (I'm not all that familiar with this setup, I mostly use apache)
[19:25] <johansmitsNL> if I give you a apache configuration of what I want, does that help?
[19:25] <pleia2> I doubt it would help with a solution here
[19:26] <philipballew> hum. I use ff right now. its getting better
[19:27] <johansmitsNL> pleia2: to understand it better here is a apache example of what I want to achieve with lighttp, but I don't know how to configure in lighttp:
[19:27] <johansmitsNL> RewriteEngine On
[19:27] <johansmitsNL> RewriteCond %{HTTP:X-Forwarded-Proto} !=https
[19:27] <johansmitsNL> RewriteRule ^.*$ https://%{SERVER_NAME}%{REQUEST_URI} [R,L]
[19:27] <johansmitsNL> thats it for apache, and how to do this with lighttp
[22:52] <raevol> 1 hour 8 minutes D:
[23:56] <nhaines> ?
[23:57] <pleia2> presumably "3 minutes" is the next thing to say :)
[23:58] <nhaines> :)