[12:54] musegarden: o/ [12:54] hello [12:54] musegarden: you mind if i announce where you are located? [12:54] not sure if anyone is near you or not... [12:58] oh no, go ahead :) [12:58] I have to leave soon though. Errands to run. [12:59] yeah, me too... but you know where to find me :) [13:00] musegarden is up in boone [13:00] all right, yeah, I'll try to get on later today :) [13:00] we have a few regulars... akgraner internalkernel [13:00] BugeyeD_ Nivex [13:01] the other lurkers participate too [13:01] What do you usually talk about? [13:02] how busy we are ;) [13:03] nah... whatever really [13:03] its been slow in here though [13:03] we should/could be talking about meetups [13:03] like install fests, or whatever [13:03] install fests are fun :P [13:04] for example, meeting up with you near ASU (with permission) [13:05] having some boxes sitting around folkds can check out [13:05] handing out CD's [13:05] That would be fun to do. [13:05] whatever buntu related event really [13:05] musegarden: yeah, and thats what we need to be doing [13:06] See I've been trying to get stuff of that nature together but everyone is either too scared of linux or refuses to leave their room :P [13:06] Hi all! [13:06] safety in #'s :) [13:07] musegarden: are you on the mailing list? [13:07] for what? [13:07] its actually quite active [13:08] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-nc [13:08] oh no, I'm not on that. I should be [13:08] holstein, for release party we'll have banners and I'll have bootable usb sticks for all the supported derivates [13:08] we can also create CD's on the fly there if you want [13:08] Done [13:09] I have been having such a time making a bootable usb lately >_> [13:09] akgraner: :) [13:10] musegarden: i use unetbooting [13:10] musegarden: i use unetbootin* [13:10] and i just go ahead and format the USB stick each time [13:10] I have been as well, I even tried straight dd'ing it and I still can't get it to boot. [13:10] only the 11.10 USB are supposed to be hybrid [13:11] i havent tried DD'ing, but i saw others having issues with it as well [13:11] I'll figure it out eventually I guess. I gotta go run some errands for now, so talk to you guys later. :) [13:11] musegarden: \o [13:12] cool... new folkz :) [13:12] I use startup disk creator [13:13] it's on Ubuntu by default [13:13] works beautifully [13:13] that didnt work for me so many times in the past, i stopped trying [13:13] I just used it last night [13:13] i think that was 9.10? [13:14] im sure its fine by now [13:14] dd is the ddeal though :) [13:31] holstein, I am sure it is but that's all commandline and well you know me [13:39] akgraner: gdiskdump :) [13:39] http://www.ubuntugeek.com/gdiskdump-gui-for-diskdump-dd.html#more-12122 [13:40] oh cool [13:40] i havent checked it out though [13:40] * holstein still on lucid [13:41] you sticking w/lucid til 12.04 [13:41] most places [13:41] i have a slightly borked 11.10 xubuntu install [13:42] for testing ubuntustudio stuff [13:42] gotcha [13:42] i'll probably start running 12.04 ASAP on something... [13:42] but, i might run 11.10 on the netbook [13:43] im not touching my audio machine for a while though [13:46] no wonder my ears are burning. [13:48] akgraner: you need to become one with the shell [13:49] i've been doing that since amiga cli [13:49] trs-80 and c=64 doesn't count, because there was no graphical environment (save for geos) available anyway [13:49] dd if=akgraner of=akgraner+cli :) [13:50] load "cli",8,1 [13:50] i can't believe i remember that ... sheesh, how friggin' old AM i, anyway? [13:51] sys 64738 <-- hard reboot for a commodore-64 [13:51] i'm full of information that's useful to precisely nobody [13:52] It is interesting trivia though [13:52] I never had a C=64 [13:52] BugeyeD_: hehe [13:52] i ran a bbs (bulletin board system for all you young'uns) on a c=64 for years before anyone had ever heard of the internet. [13:53] i spent way too much time on the c=64 back then. [13:53] probably 50/50 between that and my guitar. should have stuck with the guitar. [13:53] probably be making less money today, but probably have a lot more fun [13:54] with the guitar, that is. i suppose holstein might be able to clue me in there. [13:54] I had 300 and 1200 baud modems in the past [13:54] me too [13:54] yeah.. depends [13:54] Did you ever connect to a MBBS? [13:55] i teach 2 computer classes right now... i make in 2 weeks about what i make playing 2 shows ;) [13:55] the bbs started at 300 baud, then i splurged and bought a (gigantic) 1200 baud modem. while the modem could communicate at 1200 baud, the computer couldn't keep up. so you'd see stuff purting out at intervals instead of a steady stream. [13:55] you definitely *dont* get into music for the $$ [13:55] I remember those days [13:55] theres an easy way to make a million dollars in the music buisness though... start out with 2 million... [13:56] holstein: i'll be those two shows give a whole lot more satisfaction than the 2 weeks of work, without even talking of money. [13:56] haha [13:56] well, im enjoying teaching the smaller class [13:56] 5 11th graders [13:57] i'm sure i'd blow most of mine on prs guitars and old tube amps and such [13:57] its the 7th and 8th graders... :/ [13:57] they are still kids [13:57] can you put yourself on their level? those are the teachers that the kids like, and the ones they learn from [13:57] and, most upper level computer stuff requires some patients and waiting [13:58] the 11th graders are capable of that [13:58] Tracy_P: mbbs? [13:58] multi-bbs.. [13:58] theres also 11 of the younger ones [13:58] thats more challening [13:58] oh it was a product that ran on 286 and 386 computers late 80's early 90's [13:59] 64 modems, so up to 64 people connected at once [13:59] omg... I had a friend who used to run a bbs off his c64, that was a long time ago... [13:59] Im feeling my age at the moment... [13:59] Tracy_P: i connected to plenty, but not sure about that. for intel computers, i remember wildcat and a few others. but i was mainly commodore/amiga so i remember mostly color64bbs (greg pfountz - i even remember the author's name, how sad) and fidonet (distributed messages, like usenet). [14:00] internalkernel: i don't wanna hear about it [14:00] lol... the internet before it Al Gore invented it... [14:00] internalkernel: i'm guessing you're younger than i am, though we're probably close [14:00] ... series of tubes ... [14:00] might be... I do have 3 kids... oldest of which is 13, so we're probably real close... [14:01] that black box from 'the IT crowd' ;) [14:01] i really need to get back to work. :/ [14:01] I just finished my amish breakfast sandwich... [14:01] about to begin working on my beignets... [14:01] I love philly... [14:02] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBsm0LzSP0 [14:02] one of these days i need to get out west where you folks are. maybe i can make this installfest i just heard about. and try out one of amber's usb sticks. [14:03] my laptop doesn't boot usb; i have to boot from cd to execute a wedge that can then boot from usb. [14:03] and i've had mixed results with booting usb sticks on newer hardware (mostly desktops). may have to do with the 'hybrid' comment i heard a few minutes ago, i dunno. [14:06] so is musegarden a musician? possibly a cross between muse and soundgarden? two bands which i'd never ordinarily mention in the same sentence ... [14:06] hmmm... i didnt ask [14:06] someone introduced us in #ubuntu-beginners [14:12] cool. [14:16] holstein, hmmm I do like byobu but don't really do much on the server side or in term windows right now [14:17] holstein, did I tell you - I have been asked to design a 6 week course using Ubuntu for an intro to computers class... [14:18] for 8th graders at a private school here...I thought of you... [14:22] akgraner: nice [14:22] i put ubuntu on the bosses computer at this school, and a few of the other teachers [14:22] i didnt say much about it yet [14:23] :-) [14:23] im going to wait a while, see if they ask [14:23] see if they notice [14:23] i'll tell them i spend $10 on the machine ;) [14:23] spent* [14:28] they notice when they want MS office and/or netfilx :/ [14:29] :-) [16:19] The MBBS allowed MUD's where you could interact with others in the scripted environment. The one I remember was named Kyrandia. Dump gems down a hole, marry someone, to get to the highest level. Also a public chat, such as IRC gives us and private chat that you can have one on one conversations. [16:21] Those were the days when a dealer purchased a 1 GB harddrive for 1300 US [16:21] 5.25 full height [16:34] i had (2) 5.25" floppy drives and (3) 3.5" drives for storage. couldn't afford a hard disk. [16:35] That was probably closer to mid 80's then [16:35] and i did have games which saved state and users interacted with each other. the most popular was the murder motel (or something similar) where you are given a target, but you are also named as someone else's target. you got N moves per session to run around in the hotel and find your target without first being found. [16:36] yep, mid-80's [16:36] I would have laughed my way through that game each time I got into it. [16:37] My dad didn't let me have a modem in the mid-80's. I had to buy my own. Didn't have a job until I got out of high school. So it took until 88 before I had a modem. [16:38] TI99-4A.. not sure of the - placement anymore. [16:39] Had a modem that coupled with the headset for a few weeks, then bought one that took over the line. [16:39] call waiting was always a challenge [16:40] Now I'm working on a software product that the executable is 21 megs and delivered over the internet. how life has changed [16:40] heh, no kidding [16:41] back then, 21 megs would have transferred in what, 21 years? [16:41] lol [16:41] at 300 yup [16:42] and it was *amazing* at what could be done in the 64k of a commodore. and half of that 64k was ROM. [22:54] Anyone there? [23:38] hey [23:39] hello