[12:54] <holstein> musegarden: o/
[12:54] <musegarden> hello
[12:54] <holstein> musegarden: you mind if i announce where you are located?
[12:54] <holstein> not sure if anyone is near you or not...
[12:58] <musegarden> oh no, go ahead :)
[12:58] <musegarden> I have to leave soon though. Errands to run.
[12:59] <holstein> yeah, me too... but you know where to find me :)
[13:00] <holstein> musegarden is up in boone
[13:00] <musegarden> all right, yeah, I'll try to get on later today :)
[13:00] <holstein> we have a few regulars... akgraner internalkernel
[13:00] <holstein> BugeyeD_ Nivex
[13:01] <holstein> the other lurkers participate too
[13:01] <musegarden> What do you usually talk about?
[13:02] <holstein> how busy we are ;)
[13:03] <holstein> nah... whatever really
[13:03] <holstein> its been slow in here though
[13:03] <holstein> we should/could be talking about meetups
[13:03] <holstein> like install fests, or whatever
[13:03] <musegarden> install fests are fun :P
[13:04] <holstein> for example, meeting up with you near ASU (with permission)
[13:05] <holstein> having some boxes sitting around folkds can check out
[13:05] <holstein> handing out CD's
[13:05] <musegarden> That would be fun to do.
[13:05] <holstein> whatever buntu related event really
[13:05] <holstein> musegarden: yeah, and thats what we need to be doing
[13:06] <musegarden> See I've been trying to get stuff of that nature together but everyone is either too scared of linux or refuses to leave their room :P
[13:06] <akgraner> Hi all!
[13:06] <holstein> safety in #'s :)
[13:07] <holstein> musegarden: are you on the mailing list?
[13:07] <musegarden> for what?
[13:07] <holstein> its actually quite active
[13:08] <holstein> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-nc
[13:08] <musegarden> oh no, I'm not on that. I should be
[13:08] <akgraner> holstein, for release party we'll have banners and I'll have bootable usb sticks for all the supported derivates
[13:08] <akgraner> we can also create CD's on the fly there if you want
[13:08] <musegarden> Done
[13:09] <musegarden> I have been having such a time making a bootable usb lately >_>
[13:09] <holstein> akgraner: :)
[13:10] <holstein> musegarden: i use unetbooting
[13:10] <holstein> musegarden: i use unetbootin*
[13:10] <holstein> and i just go ahead and format the USB stick each time
[13:10] <musegarden> I have been as well, I even tried straight dd'ing it and I still can't get it to boot.
[13:10] <holstein> only the 11.10 USB are supposed to be hybrid
[13:11] <holstein> i havent tried DD'ing, but i saw others having issues with it as well
[13:11] <musegarden> I'll figure it out eventually I guess. I gotta go run some errands for now, so talk to you guys later. :)
[13:11] <holstein> musegarden: \o
[13:12] <holstein> cool... new folkz :)
[13:12] <akgraner> I use startup disk creator
[13:13] <akgraner> it's on Ubuntu by default
[13:13] <akgraner> works beautifully
[13:13] <holstein> that didnt work for me so many times in the past, i stopped trying
[13:13] <akgraner> I just used it last night
[13:13] <holstein> i think that was 9.10?
[13:14] <holstein> im sure its fine by now
[13:14] <holstein> dd is the ddeal though :)
[13:31] <akgraner> holstein, I am sure it is but that's all commandline and well you know me
[13:39] <holstein> akgraner: gdiskdump :)
[13:39] <holstein> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/gdiskdump-gui-for-diskdump-dd.html#more-12122
[13:40] <akgraner> oh cool
[13:40] <holstein> i havent checked it out though
[13:40]  * holstein still on lucid
[13:41] <akgraner> you sticking w/lucid til 12.04
[13:41] <holstein> most places
[13:41] <holstein> i have a slightly borked 11.10 xubuntu install
[13:42] <holstein> for testing ubuntustudio stuff
[13:42] <akgraner> gotcha
[13:42] <holstein> i'll probably start running 12.04 ASAP on something...
[13:42] <holstein> but, i might run 11.10 on the netbook
[13:43] <holstein> im not touching my audio machine for a while though
[13:46] <BugeyeD_> no wonder my ears are burning.
[13:48] <BugeyeD_> akgraner: you need to become one with the shell
[13:49] <BugeyeD_> i've been doing that since amiga cli
[13:49] <BugeyeD_> trs-80 and c=64 doesn't count, because there was no graphical environment (save for geos) available anyway
[13:49] <holstein> dd if=akgraner of=akgraner+cli :)
[13:50] <BugeyeD_> load "cli",8,1
[13:50] <BugeyeD_> i can't believe i remember that ... sheesh, how friggin' old AM i, anyway?
[13:51] <BugeyeD_> sys 64738  <-- hard reboot for a commodore-64
[13:51] <BugeyeD_> i'm full of information that's useful to precisely nobody
[13:52] <Tracy_P> It is interesting trivia though
[13:52] <Tracy_P> I never had a C=64
[13:52] <holstein> BugeyeD_: hehe
[13:52] <BugeyeD_> i ran a bbs (bulletin board system for all you young'uns) on a c=64 for years before anyone had ever heard of the internet.
[13:53] <BugeyeD_> i spent way too much time on the c=64 back then.
[13:53] <BugeyeD_> probably 50/50 between that and my guitar. should have stuck with the guitar.
[13:53] <BugeyeD_> probably be making less money today, but probably have a lot more fun
[13:54] <BugeyeD_> with the guitar, that is. i suppose holstein might be able to clue me in there.
[13:54] <Tracy_P> I had 300 and 1200 baud modems in the past
[13:54] <BugeyeD_> me too
[13:54] <holstein> yeah.. depends
[13:54] <Tracy_P> Did you ever connect to a MBBS?
[13:55] <holstein> i teach 2 computer classes right now... i make in 2 weeks about what i make playing 2 shows ;)
[13:55] <BugeyeD_> the bbs started at 300 baud, then i splurged and bought a (gigantic) 1200 baud modem. while the modem could communicate at 1200 baud, the computer couldn't keep up. so you'd see stuff purting out at intervals instead of a steady stream.
[13:55] <holstein> you definitely *dont* get into music for the $$
[13:55] <Tracy_P> I remember those days
[13:55] <holstein> theres an easy way to make a million dollars in the music buisness though... start out with 2 million...
[13:56] <BugeyeD_> holstein: i'll be those two shows give a whole lot more satisfaction than the 2 weeks of work, without even talking of money.
[13:56] <BugeyeD_> haha
[13:56] <holstein> well, im enjoying teaching the smaller class
[13:56] <holstein> 5 11th graders
[13:57] <BugeyeD_> i'm sure i'd blow most of mine on prs guitars and old tube amps and such
[13:57] <holstein> its the 7th and 8th graders... :/
[13:57] <holstein> they are still kids
[13:57] <BugeyeD_> can you put yourself on their level? those are the teachers that the kids like, and the ones they learn from
[13:57] <holstein> and, most upper level computer stuff requires some patients and waiting
[13:58] <holstein> the 11th graders are capable of that
[13:58] <BugeyeD_> Tracy_P: mbbs?
[13:58] <Tracy_P> multi-bbs..
[13:58] <holstein> theres also 11 of the younger ones
[13:58] <holstein> thats more challening
[13:58] <Tracy_P> oh it was a product that ran on 286 and 386 computers late 80's early 90's
[13:59] <Tracy_P> 64 modems, so up to 64 people connected at once
[13:59] <internalkernel> omg... I had a friend who used to run a bbs off his c64, that was a long time ago...
[13:59] <internalkernel> Im feeling my age at the moment...
[13:59] <BugeyeD_> Tracy_P: i connected to plenty, but not sure about that. for intel computers, i remember wildcat and a few others. but i was mainly commodore/amiga so i remember mostly color64bbs (greg pfountz - i even remember the author's name, how sad) and fidonet (distributed messages, like usenet).
[14:00] <BugeyeD_> internalkernel: i don't wanna hear about it
[14:00] <internalkernel> lol... the internet before it Al Gore invented it...
[14:00] <BugeyeD_> internalkernel: i'm guessing you're younger than i am, though we're probably close
[14:00] <BugeyeD_> ... series of tubes ...
[14:00] <internalkernel> might be... I do have 3 kids... oldest of which is 13, so we're probably real close...
[14:01] <holstein> that black box from 'the IT crowd' ;)
[14:01] <BugeyeD_> i really need to get back to work. :/
[14:01] <internalkernel> I just finished my amish breakfast sandwich...
[14:01] <internalkernel> about to begin working on my beignets...
[14:01] <internalkernel> I love philly...
[14:02] <holstein> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBsm0LzSP0
[14:02] <BugeyeD_> one of these days i need to get out west where you folks are. maybe i can make this installfest i just heard about. and try out one of amber's usb sticks.
[14:03] <BugeyeD_> my laptop doesn't boot usb; i have to boot from cd to execute a wedge that can then boot from usb.
[14:03] <BugeyeD_> and i've had mixed results with booting usb sticks on newer hardware (mostly desktops). may have to do with the 'hybrid' comment i heard a few minutes ago, i dunno.
[14:06] <BugeyeD_> so is musegarden a musician? possibly a cross between muse and soundgarden? two bands which i'd never ordinarily mention in the same sentence ...
[14:06] <holstein> hmmm... i didnt ask
[14:06] <holstein> someone introduced us in #ubuntu-beginners
[14:12] <BugeyeD_> cool.
[14:16] <akgraner> holstein, hmmm I do like byobu but don't really do much on the server side or in term windows right now
[14:17] <akgraner> holstein, did I tell you - I have been asked to design a 6 week course using Ubuntu for an intro to computers class...
[14:18] <akgraner> for 8th graders at a private school here...I thought of you...
[14:22] <holstein> akgraner: nice
[14:22] <holstein> i put ubuntu on the bosses computer at this school, and a few of the other teachers
[14:22] <holstein> i didnt say much about it yet
[14:23] <akgraner> :-)
[14:23] <holstein> im going to wait a while, see if they ask
[14:23] <akgraner> see if they notice
[14:23] <holstein> i'll tell them i spend $10 on the machine ;)
[14:23] <holstein> spent*
[14:28] <holstein> they notice when they want MS office and/or netfilx :/
[14:29] <akgraner> :-)
[16:19] <Tracy_P> The MBBS allowed MUD's where you could interact with others in the scripted environment. The one I remember was named Kyrandia. Dump gems down a hole, marry someone, to get to the highest level. Also a public chat, such as IRC gives us and private chat that you can have one on one conversations.
[16:21] <Tracy_P> Those were the days when a dealer purchased a 1 GB harddrive for 1300 US
[16:21] <Tracy_P> 5.25 full height
[16:34] <BugeyeD_> i had (2) 5.25" floppy drives and (3) 3.5" drives for storage. couldn't afford a hard disk.
[16:35] <Tracy_P> That was probably closer to mid 80's then
[16:35] <BugeyeD_> and i did have games which saved state and users interacted with each other. the most popular was the murder motel (or something similar) where you are given a target, but you are also named as someone else's target. you got N moves per session to run around in the hotel and find your target without first being found.
[16:36] <BugeyeD_> yep, mid-80's
[16:36] <Tracy_P> I would have laughed my way through that game each time I got into it.
[16:37] <Tracy_P> My dad didn't let me have a modem in the mid-80's. I had to buy my own. Didn't have a job until I got out of high school. So it took until 88 before I had a modem.
[16:38] <Tracy_P> TI99-4A.. not sure of the - placement anymore.
[16:39] <Tracy_P> Had a modem that coupled with the headset for a few weeks, then bought one that took over the line.
[16:39] <Tracy_P> call waiting was always a challenge
[16:40] <Tracy_P> Now I'm working on a software product that the executable is 21 megs and delivered over the internet. how life has changed
[16:40] <BugeyeD_> heh, no kidding
[16:41] <BugeyeD_> back then, 21 megs would have transferred in what, 21 years?
[16:41] <Tracy_P> lol
[16:41] <Tracy_P> at 300 yup
[16:42] <BugeyeD_> and it was *amazing* at what could be done in the 64k of a commodore. and half of that 64k was ROM.
[22:54] <musegarden> Anyone there?
[23:38] <akgraner> hey
[23:39] <musegarden> hello