| GridCube | good late night people | 02:02 |
|---|---|---|
| GridCube | im zsyncking now | 02:02 |
| madnick | :) | 02:03 |
| GridCube | :) sup madnick ? | 02:03 |
| GridCube | i've read that your plymouth and lightdm will get into oneiric? | 02:04 |
| madnick | Not much, coding :) you? | 02:04 |
| madnick | Well | 02:04 |
| Unit193 | Not greeter | 02:04 |
| GridCube | :( | 02:05 |
| GridCube | no greeter | 02:05 |
| madnick | The greeter unfortunetly could not be done, atleast in time | 02:05 |
| madnick | So it goes in Oneric +1 | 02:05 |
| GridCube | madnick, been working hard on the bookshelfs, pretty boring stuff if you are not into librarianship :P | 02:05 |
| madnick | ah :) | 02:05 |
| GridCube | oh well, at least you already did a lot of the job | 02:06 |
| GridCube | but wait... | 02:06 |
| Unit193 | madnick: Will it get into a PPA for those of us that want to install it though? :) | 02:06 |
| madnick | Yeah the greeter was close to done, just some API stuff | 02:06 |
| GridCube | we will have P I N K greeter? | 02:06 |
| madnick | Unit193: I stopped working on it temorarily since it did not make it in, but I will resume my work after this PyWeek competition | 02:07 |
| GridCube | PyWee | 02:07 |
| madnick | GridCube: hopefully we get the greeter theme in :) | 02:07 |
| GridCube | :D awesome | 02:07 |
| madnick | Its a wallpaper, and a font, pretty much :) | 02:07 |
| Unit193 | madnick: Don't bother on my account though.. | 02:07 |
| GridCube | i think that having it on a ppa would actually be awesome | 02:08 |
| GridCube | something to have on a "how to hack your xubuntu" blog :P | 02:08 |
| madnick | :) | 02:08 |
| GridCube | :P | 02:09 |
| GridCube | :D on an offtopic topic, i finally found a bookstore that sells Terry Pratchett books :D and that my friends IS AWESOME | 02:10 |
| GridCube | ouch installation failed, HARD | 03:24 |
| GridCube | i took screenshots | 03:25 |
| GridCube | is there a way to take the logs from it? on a vbox? | 03:25 |
| GridCube | apparently there is no kernel D: | 03:26 |
| Unit193 | What install did you do? Alt? | 03:28 |
| GridCube | http://gridcube.netii.net/screencaps/Captura%20de%20pantalla-6.png | 03:31 |
| GridCube | yes | 03:31 |
| GridCube | alternate | 03:31 |
| GridCube | http://gridcube.netii.net/screencaps/Captura%20de%20pantalla-7.png | 03:31 |
| GridCube | ok now i have to go to sleep | 03:33 |
| GridCube | see you when i see you | 03:34 |
| Unit193 | I think we had a wee bit of a netsplit there ;) | 05:12 |
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| charlie-tca | Good morning | 13:40 |
| davmor2 | morning charlie-tca | 13:41 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit, micahg : Alternate images are failing to build again, abiword and xubuntu-desktop | 13:41 |
| davmor2 | charlie-tca: you at USD P? | 13:41 |
| charlie-tca | yeah, I will be there | 13:41 |
| charlie-tca | you? | 13:41 |
| micahg | :( | 13:41 |
| charlie-tca | davmor2: Will we have a chance to meet up, finally? | 13:42 |
| davmor2 | charlie-tca: Indeedly doodley | 13:42 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: maybe it is the server again? Abiword seemed to only build every other time during beta1 testing | 13:44 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: no idea, let me see if abiword installs on my other oneiric machine | 13:47 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: wfm, I'd say go for the retry | 13:48 |
| charlie-tca | I will do that. | 13:49 |
| mr_pouit | yeah, this error has been occurring lately | 14:49 |
| mr_pouit | (and I couldn't reproduce) | 14:49 |
| mr_pouit | at some point, it looked like a mirror/archive issue (e.g. gb.archive.ubuntu.com and others didn't contain oneiric abiword packages :) | 14:50 |
| charlie-tca | Today it came from the main mirror | 14:50 |
| charlie-tca | or, rather, server | 14:50 |
| charlie-tca | Kind of frustating that it keeps popping up | 14:51 |
| charlie-tca | and, again, the respin worked | 14:53 |
| charlie-tca | syncing now, will see if it installs | 14:54 |
| charlie-tca | Things are looking up for getting the greeter in, too | 15:03 |
| charlie-tca | got robert_ancell and pitti on it | 15:04 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: the server is dropping bits, maybe the parallel builds are giving problems. the respin zsync shows alternate images were at 98% | 15:08 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: still got a failure trying to install the alternate image: | 15:45 |
| charlie-tca | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 15:45 |
| charlie-tca | Sep 14 15:42:18 in-target: libabiword-2.8 : Depends: libwv-1.2-3 (>= 1.2.4) but it is not installable | 15:46 |
| charlie-tca | Sep 14 15:42:18 in-target: xubuntu-desktop : Depends: tango-icon-theme-common but it is not installable | 15:46 |
| charlie-tca | Sep 14 15:42:18 in-target: Recommends: screensaver-default-images but it is not installable | 15:46 |
| mr_pouit | it's the same failure than the build failure above | 15:53 |
| charlie-tca | with the addition of the screensaver thing | 15:54 |
| * jarnos noticed that pulseaudio is started even if it is unselected in Application Autostart. Rather odd... | 16:02 | |
| * jarnos noticed that is was probably started by alsaplayer (gtk). | 16:06 | |
| * jarnos or any other player I tried. | 16:08 | |
| micahg | jarnos: pulseaudio is started when an app needs audio output | 16:09 |
| jarnos | micahg, I see, I had to remove the package. | 16:15 |
| micahg | why? we don't support xubuntu w/out pulseaudio | 16:16 |
| charlie-tca | micahg, mr_pouit : any chance we can find what is wrong and have good images tomorrow? | 16:28 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: I think it's a mirror issue | 16:29 |
| charlie-tca | So, go push another respin ? | 16:29 |
| micahg | hold on, let me update again and try one more time | 16:31 |
| * micahg wants to be sure he's not missing anything | 16:32 | |
| jarnos | micahg, I don't need it and my computer feels lighter without it. | 16:33 |
| micahg | jarnos: well, that's up to you, but we test with and support the audio stack with pulseaudio as the application layer interface | 16:34 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: abiword seems fine | 16:40 |
| charlie-tca | okay... I will push another spin then | 16:40 |
| jarno | micahg, there is a lot of work in supporting Xubuntu with pulseaudio: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio | 16:54 |
| micahg | jarno: we inherit the audio stack from Ubuntu, pulseaudio is what was chosen, that's what we use | 16:55 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: trying to install xubuntu-desktop in a chroot now to see if there are any issues | 16:59 |
| charlie-tca | It's alternate images failing | 16:59 |
| jarno | micahg, luckily, it can be removed, if you prefer. I have not noticed any problem with plain ALSA, but I suppose it is hardware dependent. | 17:00 |
| charlie-tca | The desktop images do work, which should mean xubuntu-desktop is not the problem | 17:00 |
| micahg | well, the two images are set up differently | 17:01 |
| * micahg doesn't understand the nuances yet | 17:02 | |
| micahg | \o/ colord install failure | 17:03 |
| charlie-tca | bug 850172 | 17:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 850172 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu Oneiric Alternate images fail to find abiword dependencies when building images" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850172 | 17:04 |
| charlie-tca | includes the logs from the failed install | 17:05 |
| charlie-tca | qa meeting | 17:05 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: ok, I have no idea what's causing that, I only got a colord failure when I installed | 17:06 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, that's why I filed the bug. If we can't figure out what is wrong, maybe ev or cjwatson can | 17:07 |
| charlie-tca | I will attempt an install on my other hardware, just to make sure that is not the problem | 17:08 |
| charlie-tca | The new behaviour of xfburn sucks! | 17:09 |
| charlie-tca | I have 60 images, and to pick the right one from "recently used" doesn't work | 17:09 |
| charlie-tca | Why can't it default to the last directory any more? | 17:10 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: k3b? | 17:10 |
| charlie-tca | xfburn, which is the xubuntu default | 17:11 |
| micahg | I know, I was making a suggestion | 17:11 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: same failure on my other hardware machine | 17:32 |
| micahg | right, I think the issue is with creating the image | 17:32 |
| charlie-tca | I do too, considering that every respin had to be done twice for beta1, with the same errors | 17:36 |
| raevol | just saw the xubuntu meeting notes, is xubuntu sticking with gdm for 11.10? or just won't have an xubuntu theme for lightdm in 11.10? | 19:50 |
| charlie-tca | Xubuntu will have lightdm. It is only the theme we are unsure of at this time | 19:50 |
| raevol | ok thanks | 19:50 |
| raevol | i'm not sure if this is the right place to discuss this, but i feel we should keep an eye on beatbox from elementaryos to use as a media player, it's pretty nice | 19:51 |
| charlie-tca | Good place to mention stuff, yes | 19:52 |
| charlie-tca | elementary os is supposed to be based on Ubuntu 12.04 | 19:52 |
| charlie-tca | The more it is based on Gnome / Unity, the harder it becomes for us to use | 19:53 |
| raevol | right, and beatbox is way to feature incomplete to consider at the moment, but it seems like a good start | 19:53 |
| raevol | i'm just suggesting the media player, i have it installed in xubuntu through the ppa, it's just a gtk program | 19:53 |
| charlie-tca | I would suggest keeping an eye on it then. | 19:54 |
| raevol | cool | 19:54 |
| charlie-tca | We do try and review such things each cycle | 19:54 |
| charlie-tca | It just becomes too much for one person to try and keep track of things | 19:55 |
| raevol | no worries, there's a lot of different programs out there, especially when it comes to media players | 19:55 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 19:55 |
| charlie-tca | but we are pretty much open at looking around | 19:56 |
| * Unit193 will always use VLC though :P | 19:56 | |
| raevol | you could consider having one xubuntu person specialize in each program? like one person for browsers, one for media players, one for chat clients? | 19:56 |
| charlie-tca | in comparing them, yes | 19:56 |
| raevol | i know i go through media players like kleenex, so i'm pretty versed on what's available | 19:57 |
| raevol | of course i have my own bias as to which is the "best" though | 19:57 |
| charlie-tca | here is the last big comparison we had on them: | 19:58 |
| charlie-tca | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Karmic/DefaultMusicPlayer | 19:58 |
| raevol | karmic | 19:59 |
| charlie-tca | yes, but you can see the layout and how we compared them. | 20:00 |
| pleia2 | charlie-tca: I was thinking, since we have a few new contributors this cycle doing it that you essentially taught by hand, a blog post about "how to test daily xubuntu isos" would be nice | 20:01 |
| charlie-tca | yes, I could agree with that | 20:02 |
| * charlie-tca supposes pleia2 was thinking he should write that, too? | 20:02 | |
| charlie-tca | Well, that makes the nick list shorter :) | 20:04 |
| raevol | :P | 20:04 |
| Unit193 | Yep, handy ;) | 20:04 |
| pleia2 | please :) but I can proof it and find people who don't know about testing to review it too | 20:04 |
| charlie-tca | Olbi: I tried to make it easier to pick the right month for testing. Let me know if it works for you? | 20:04 |
| charlie-tca | pleia2: okay, I will | 20:05 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 20:05 |
| Unit193 | He's helped me *tons* | 20:05 |
| Olbi | ok | 20:08 |
| Olbi | charlie-tca: nice works, thx :) | 20:09 |
| charlie-tca | You are welcome. Thanks for trying so hard! | 20:10 |
| Olbi | there isnt work link to iso: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20110914/oneiric-desktop-amd64.iso | 20:11 |
| charlie-tca | you are right | 20:13 |
| charlie-tca | try http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ instead | 20:13 |
| raevol | :( i wish the Elementary Xubuntu Dark icon theme didn't override pidgin's icon, the overriden icon doesn't indicate when new messages arrive | 20:24 |
| charlie-tca | I did not know it was based on icon theme | 20:29 |
| charlie-tca | raevol: That should be a bug report needed, that theme is specific to Xubuntu | 20:40 |
| raevol | ok, let me see if i can report a bug | 20:43 |
| raevol | doesn't seem to already be reported | 20:46 |
| charlie-tca | Here is the latest comparison of music players, but it is not as comprehesive the karmic one: | 20:47 |
| charlie-tca | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Natty/DefaultMediaPlayer | 20:47 |
| charlie-tca | report it using ubuntu-bug xubuntu-artwork in a terminal | 20:48 |
| raevol | ok | 20:48 |
| Olbi | LOL, these both are really same :P | 20:51 |
| Olbi | I think ppl need support for players, like iPod, MP3, MP4, iRivers etc | 20:52 |
| Olbi | maybe Banshee? | 20:52 |
| Olbi | and I think we need change in next Xubuntu default notepadd from leafpad to gedit with gedit-plugins | 20:53 |
| raevol | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/+bug/850376 | 20:53 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 850376 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "Pidgin Notification Area icon does not indicate arrival of new messages" [Undecided,New] | 20:53 |
| raevol | banshee is pretty dependency heavy, of course it's also very nice, it's what i was using before i found beatbox | 20:54 |
| Olbi | Mousepad and Leafpad are like children instead of gEdit which is mature :) | 20:54 |
| charlie-tca | gedit has a lot of dependencies from gnome. Also, leafpad is a simple editor, which doesn't require the whole desktop. | 20:54 |
| Olbi | shame :( | 20:54 |
| charlie-tca | We also have abiword if you prefer more capability | 20:54 |
| Olbi | but is powerfull :) | 20:54 |
| Olbi | in abiword i cant programming simple scripts :P | 20:54 |
| charlie-tca | banshee is too resource intensive for us | 20:55 |
| Unit193 | !info scite | 20:55 |
| ubottu | scite (source: scite): Lightweight GTK-based Programming Editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.03-1 (natty), package size 950 kB, installed size 2376 kB | 20:55 |
| charlie-tca | If you look at the comparisons, you will see we chose the lightest resource use with the best all around ability | 20:55 |
| charlie-tca | Recommendation: geany for editing | 20:55 |
| charlie-tca | dependent on GTK, instead of GNOME, works well, has lots of options | 20:56 |
| Unit193 | Leafpad is the best for default thoughg | 20:56 |
| charlie-tca | I will try scite if you think it is at least comparable to gedit/geany | 20:57 |
| charlie-tca | Olbi: why can you not do simple scripts in abiword? you can "save as" text with it. | 20:57 |
| Olbi | i like highlighting :) | 20:58 |
| charlie-tca | although I do use leafpad for that instead | 20:58 |
| Olbi | and gedit plugins rocks :D | 20:58 |
| Olbi | like embedded terminal :) | 20:58 |
| raevol | i think the default text editor should be very simple to use, it's not intended for development, it's intended for joe shmoe user to look in text files | 20:58 |
| raevol | if you're a developer you know how to install your own editor :P | 20:59 |
| Olbi | :) | 20:59 |
| charlie-tca | but gedit it tied pretty heavy to lots of gnome stuff | 20:59 |
| charlie-tca | Olbi: geany has a terminal too | 20:59 |
| Olbi | ok, so all done, gedit is too heavy :D | 20:59 |
| charlie-tca | right | 20:59 |
| Olbi | but what now with musicplayer? | 21:00 |
| Olbi | gmusicbrowser is good but not best :) | 21:00 |
| raevol | gmusicplayer is probably the best of players that are light enough for xubuntu | 21:00 |
| Olbi | hasnt good support for players and pods, and streaming | 21:00 |
| charlie-tca | We are open to comparisons of musicplayers. | 21:01 |
| charlie-tca | If you find one that works well, and is still lightweight, we will look at it | 21:01 |
| charlie-tca | scite and geany seem to have about the same depends | 21:01 |
| Olbi | but is as I read on site comparison is easier for gui creation :] | 21:01 |
| Olbi | and more backends support | 21:02 |
| Unit193 | I don't know what to say about scite as it isn't as good as Notepad++ but it's as close as you can get :/ | 21:02 |
| Olbi | I think, gmusicborwser should have tabs in music window | 21:02 |
| Olbi | it is very usefull | 21:03 |
| charlie-tca | the gmusicbrowser developers are pretty open to suggestions and helping get the application to work for users. | 21:03 |
| raevol | i just want winamp on linux :( | 21:14 |
| raevol | winamp was perfect | 21:14 |
| Olbi | AIMP3 is much more better :D | 21:19 |
| raevol | i like winamp because of the interface, specifically the media library interface | 21:20 |
| raevol | what does the aimp3 library look like? | 21:20 |
| Olbi | Gmusicbrowser is written in Perl, isnt it too complicated?:P | 21:20 |
| charlie-tca | We don't modify, we just use | 21:22 |
| Olbi | strange irc channel #gmusicbrowser isnt on freenode | 21:22 |
| Olbi | cant join | 21:22 |
| Olbi | why there isn't alternate ISOs? | 21:24 |
| charlie-tca | There are today | 21:24 |
| Olbi | bad adress :P | 21:24 |
| Olbi | my fault | 21:24 |
| charlie-tca | http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/ | 21:24 |
| charlie-tca | but, they are broken, too | 21:25 |
| charlie-tca | They won't really install today | 21:25 |
| Olbi | i will check it :) | 21:25 |
| Olbi | that's why is 20110914.1 | 21:25 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 21:26 |
| raevol | so, i am seeing this "sound menu" integration on a few things now | 21:40 |
| raevol | but when i installed that on xubuntu, it removed my menus from my windows | 21:41 |
| raevol | anyone know how to use the sound menu without it removing your menus? | 21:41 |
| charlie-tca | usually install xfce4-indicator instead of unity | 21:45 |
| mr_pouit | remove appmenu-gtk | 21:46 |
| raevol | i see, yea i think i was having that issue on my desktop, seems to work fine on my netbook, i'll check what i did to my desktop to mess it up when i get home | 21:48 |
| raevol | the indicator plugin seems to be a different color from my panel though | 21:49 |
| raevol | on might be because my panel has transparency | 21:49 |
| raevol | hmm yea xfce4-indicator doesn't theme based on the panel, it themes based on the system scheme | 21:49 |
| raevol | that's probably asking too much though haha | 21:50 |
| raevol | oh hey the indicator applet shows pidgin messages... i guess i can take the pidgin notification area icon away | 21:52 |
| raevol | this is what i get for customizing my desktop too much | 21:52 |
| raevol | now i just need my power icon to fit the theme... | 21:55 |
| Olbi | I try to talk with polish transaltors for Xubuntu nad send mail to one of them, but didnt recaive any answer yet :( | 22:29 |
| Olbi | and media player should be mplayer with some gui like smplayer or VLC cause of VDPAU and VA-API support | 22:33 |
| Olbi | today most ppl like high resolution video and it helps on olders computers :) | 22:33 |
| raevol | raevol | 22:39 |
| raevol | wrong window -_- | 22:39 |
| raevol | hmm, what's necessary to get my battery to show up in the indicator menu in xfce? | 23:26 |
| charlie-tca | add battery indicator to the panel? | 23:33 |
| charlie-tca | or at least add xfce4-battery-plugin to your system | 23:34 |
| raevol | yea, but i want the indicator-menu appearance to the icon | 23:35 |
| raevol | trying to make everything look nice | 23:35 |
| raevol | hmm, if i make my notification area 23 pixels it shows nicely | 23:43 |
| raevol | but any bigger and it changes the icon | 23:43 |
| raevol | that seems a little silly | 23:43 |
| charlie-tca | Yes, but smaller icons have less detail | 23:43 |
| charlie-tca | so it does make sense | 23:44 |
| raevol | well the smaller one is monochrome and the same style as the indicator menu | 23:44 |
| raevol | the larger one is colored and a completely different style | 23:44 |
| raevol | i know this is super nitpicky... | 23:45 |
| raevol | i probably need to contact the people who make xfce-power-manager and see what it would take to make an appindicator for it | 23:45 |
| raevol | which they will probably be less than thrilled out | 23:45 |
| charlie-tca | heh, yeah | 23:45 |
| charlie-tca | but worth asking, I suppose | 23:45 |
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