[02:02] good late night people [02:02] im zsyncking now [02:03] :) [02:03] :) sup madnick ? [02:04] i've read that your plymouth and lightdm will get into oneiric? [02:04] Not much, coding :) you? [02:04] Well [02:04] Not greeter [02:05] :( [02:05] no greeter [02:05] The greeter unfortunetly could not be done, atleast in time [02:05] So it goes in Oneric +1 [02:05] madnick, been working hard on the bookshelfs, pretty boring stuff if you are not into librarianship :P [02:05] ah :) [02:06] oh well, at least you already did a lot of the job [02:06] but wait... [02:06] madnick: Will it get into a PPA for those of us that want to install it though? :) [02:06] Yeah the greeter was close to done, just some API stuff [02:06] we will have P I N K greeter? [02:07] Unit193: I stopped working on it temorarily since it did not make it in, but I will resume my work after this PyWeek competition [02:07] PyWee [02:07] GridCube: hopefully we get the greeter theme in :) [02:07] :D awesome [02:07] Its a wallpaper, and a font, pretty much :) [02:07] madnick: Don't bother on my account though.. [02:08] i think that having it on a ppa would actually be awesome [02:08] something to have on a "how to hack your xubuntu" blog :P [02:08] :) [02:09] :P [02:10] :D on an offtopic topic, i finally found a bookstore that sells Terry Pratchett books :D and that my friends IS AWESOME [03:24] ouch installation failed, HARD [03:25] i took screenshots [03:25] is there a way to take the logs from it? on a vbox? [03:26] apparently there is no kernel D: [03:28] What install did you do? Alt? [03:31] http://gridcube.netii.net/screencaps/Captura%20de%20pantalla-6.png [03:31] yes [03:31] alternate [03:31] http://gridcube.netii.net/screencaps/Captura%20de%20pantalla-7.png [03:33] ok now i have to go to sleep [03:34] see you when i see you [05:12] I think we had a wee bit of a netsplit there ;) === mrpouit is now known as mr_pouit === lool- is now known as lool [13:40] Good morning [13:41] morning charlie-tca [13:41] mr_pouit, micahg : Alternate images are failing to build again, abiword and xubuntu-desktop [13:41] charlie-tca: you at USD P? [13:41] yeah, I will be there [13:41] you? [13:41] :( [13:42] davmor2: Will we have a chance to meet up, finally? [13:42] charlie-tca: Indeedly doodley [13:44] micahg: maybe it is the server again? Abiword seemed to only build every other time during beta1 testing [13:47] charlie-tca: no idea, let me see if abiword installs on my other oneiric machine [13:48] charlie-tca: wfm, I'd say go for the retry [13:49] I will do that. [14:49] yeah, this error has been occurring lately [14:49] (and I couldn't reproduce) [14:50] at some point, it looked like a mirror/archive issue (e.g. gb.archive.ubuntu.com and others didn't contain oneiric abiword packages :) [14:50] Today it came from the main mirror [14:50] or, rather, server [14:51] Kind of frustating that it keeps popping up [14:53] and, again, the respin worked [14:54] syncing now, will see if it installs [15:03] Things are looking up for getting the greeter in, too [15:04] got robert_ancell and pitti on it [15:08] mr_pouit: the server is dropping bits, maybe the parallel builds are giving problems. the respin zsync shows alternate images were at 98% [15:45] mr_pouit: still got a failure trying to install the alternate image: [15:45] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [15:46] Sep 14 15:42:18 in-target: libabiword-2.8 : Depends: libwv-1.2-3 (>= 1.2.4) but it is not installable [15:46] Sep 14 15:42:18 in-target: xubuntu-desktop : Depends: tango-icon-theme-common but it is not installable [15:46] Sep 14 15:42:18 in-target: Recommends: screensaver-default-images but it is not installable [15:53] it's the same failure than the build failure above [15:54] with the addition of the screensaver thing [16:02] * jarnos noticed that pulseaudio is started even if it is unselected in Application Autostart. Rather odd... [16:06] * jarnos noticed that is was probably started by alsaplayer (gtk). [16:08] * jarnos or any other player I tried. [16:09] jarnos: pulseaudio is started when an app needs audio output [16:15] micahg, I see, I had to remove the package. [16:16] why? we don't support xubuntu w/out pulseaudio [16:28] micahg, mr_pouit : any chance we can find what is wrong and have good images tomorrow? [16:29] charlie-tca: I think it's a mirror issue [16:29] So, go push another respin ? [16:31] hold on, let me update again and try one more time [16:32] * micahg wants to be sure he's not missing anything [16:33] micahg, I don't need it and my computer feels lighter without it. [16:34] jarnos: well, that's up to you, but we test with and support the audio stack with pulseaudio as the application layer interface [16:40] charlie-tca: abiword seems fine [16:40] okay... I will push another spin then [16:54] micahg, there is a lot of work in supporting Xubuntu with pulseaudio: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio [16:55] jarno: we inherit the audio stack from Ubuntu, pulseaudio is what was chosen, that's what we use [16:59] charlie-tca: trying to install xubuntu-desktop in a chroot now to see if there are any issues [16:59] It's alternate images failing [17:00] micahg, luckily, it can be removed, if you prefer. I have not noticed any problem with plain ALSA, but I suppose it is hardware dependent. [17:00] The desktop images do work, which should mean xubuntu-desktop is not the problem [17:01] well, the two images are set up differently [17:02] * micahg doesn't understand the nuances yet [17:03] \o/ colord install failure [17:04] bug 850172 [17:04] Launchpad bug 850172 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu Oneiric Alternate images fail to find abiword dependencies when building images" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850172 [17:05] includes the logs from the failed install [17:05] qa meeting [17:06] charlie-tca: ok, I have no idea what's causing that, I only got a colord failure when I installed [17:07] Okay, that's why I filed the bug. If we can't figure out what is wrong, maybe ev or cjwatson can [17:08] I will attempt an install on my other hardware, just to make sure that is not the problem [17:09] The new behaviour of xfburn sucks! [17:09] I have 60 images, and to pick the right one from "recently used" doesn't work [17:10] Why can't it default to the last directory any more? [17:10] charlie-tca: k3b? [17:11] xfburn, which is the xubuntu default [17:11] I know, I was making a suggestion [17:32] micahg: same failure on my other hardware machine [17:32] right, I think the issue is with creating the image [17:36] I do too, considering that every respin had to be done twice for beta1, with the same errors [19:50] just saw the xubuntu meeting notes, is xubuntu sticking with gdm for 11.10? or just won't have an xubuntu theme for lightdm in 11.10? [19:50] Xubuntu will have lightdm. It is only the theme we are unsure of at this time [19:50] ok thanks [19:51] i'm not sure if this is the right place to discuss this, but i feel we should keep an eye on beatbox from elementaryos to use as a media player, it's pretty nice [19:52] Good place to mention stuff, yes [19:52] elementary os is supposed to be based on Ubuntu 12.04 [19:53] The more it is based on Gnome / Unity, the harder it becomes for us to use [19:53] right, and beatbox is way to feature incomplete to consider at the moment, but it seems like a good start [19:53] i'm just suggesting the media player, i have it installed in xubuntu through the ppa, it's just a gtk program [19:54] I would suggest keeping an eye on it then. [19:54] cool [19:54] We do try and review such things each cycle [19:55] It just becomes too much for one person to try and keep track of things [19:55] no worries, there's a lot of different programs out there, especially when it comes to media players [19:55] yup [19:56] but we are pretty much open at looking around [19:56] * Unit193 will always use VLC though :P [19:56] you could consider having one xubuntu person specialize in each program? like one person for browsers, one for media players, one for chat clients? [19:56] in comparing them, yes [19:57] i know i go through media players like kleenex, so i'm pretty versed on what's available [19:57] of course i have my own bias as to which is the "best" though [19:58] here is the last big comparison we had on them: [19:58] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Karmic/DefaultMusicPlayer [19:59] karmic [20:00] yes, but you can see the layout and how we compared them. [20:01] charlie-tca: I was thinking, since we have a few new contributors this cycle doing it that you essentially taught by hand, a blog post about "how to test daily xubuntu isos" would be nice [20:02] yes, I could agree with that [20:02] * charlie-tca supposes pleia2 was thinking he should write that, too? [20:04] Well, that makes the nick list shorter :) [20:04] :P [20:04] Yep, handy ;) [20:04] please :) but I can proof it and find people who don't know about testing to review it too [20:04] Olbi: I tried to make it easier to pick the right month for testing. Let me know if it works for you? [20:05] pleia2: okay, I will [20:05] hehe [20:05] He's helped me *tons* [20:08] ok [20:09] charlie-tca: nice works, thx :) [20:10] You are welcome. Thanks for trying so hard! [20:11] there isnt work link to iso: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20110914/oneiric-desktop-amd64.iso [20:13] you are right [20:13] try http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ instead [20:24] :( i wish the Elementary Xubuntu Dark icon theme didn't override pidgin's icon, the overriden icon doesn't indicate when new messages arrive [20:29] I did not know it was based on icon theme [20:40] raevol: That should be a bug report needed, that theme is specific to Xubuntu [20:43] ok, let me see if i can report a bug [20:46] doesn't seem to already be reported [20:47] Here is the latest comparison of music players, but it is not as comprehesive the karmic one: [20:47] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Natty/DefaultMediaPlayer [20:48] report it using ubuntu-bug xubuntu-artwork in a terminal [20:48] ok [20:51] LOL, these both are really same :P [20:52] I think ppl need support for players, like iPod, MP3, MP4, iRivers etc [20:52] maybe Banshee? [20:53] and I think we need change in next Xubuntu default notepadd from leafpad to gedit with gedit-plugins [20:53] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/+bug/850376 [20:53] Ubuntu bug 850376 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "Pidgin Notification Area icon does not indicate arrival of new messages" [Undecided,New] [20:54] banshee is pretty dependency heavy, of course it's also very nice, it's what i was using before i found beatbox [20:54] Mousepad and Leafpad are like children instead of gEdit which is mature :) [20:54] gedit has a lot of dependencies from gnome. Also, leafpad is a simple editor, which doesn't require the whole desktop. [20:54] shame :( [20:54] We also have abiword if you prefer more capability [20:54] but is powerfull :) [20:54] in abiword i cant programming simple scripts :P [20:55] banshee is too resource intensive for us [20:55] !info scite [20:55] scite (source: scite): Lightweight GTK-based Programming Editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.03-1 (natty), package size 950 kB, installed size 2376 kB [20:55] If you look at the comparisons, you will see we chose the lightest resource use with the best all around ability [20:55] Recommendation: geany for editing [20:56] dependent on GTK, instead of GNOME, works well, has lots of options [20:56] Leafpad is the best for default thoughg [20:57] I will try scite if you think it is at least comparable to gedit/geany [20:57] Olbi: why can you not do simple scripts in abiword? you can "save as" text with it. [20:58] i like highlighting :) [20:58] although I do use leafpad for that instead [20:58] and gedit plugins rocks :D [20:58] like embedded terminal :) [20:58] i think the default text editor should be very simple to use, it's not intended for development, it's intended for joe shmoe user to look in text files [20:59] if you're a developer you know how to install your own editor :P [20:59] :) [20:59] but gedit it tied pretty heavy to lots of gnome stuff [20:59] Olbi: geany has a terminal too [20:59] ok, so all done, gedit is too heavy :D [20:59] right [21:00] but what now with musicplayer? [21:00] gmusicbrowser is good but not best :) [21:00] gmusicplayer is probably the best of players that are light enough for xubuntu [21:00] hasnt good support for players and pods, and streaming [21:01] We are open to comparisons of musicplayers. [21:01] If you find one that works well, and is still lightweight, we will look at it [21:01] scite and geany seem to have about the same depends [21:01] but is as I read on site comparison is easier for gui creation :] [21:02] and more backends support [21:02] I don't know what to say about scite as it isn't as good as Notepad++ but it's as close as you can get :/ [21:02] I think, gmusicborwser should have tabs in music window [21:03] it is very usefull [21:03] the gmusicbrowser developers are pretty open to suggestions and helping get the application to work for users. [21:14] i just want winamp on linux :( [21:14] winamp was perfect [21:19] AIMP3 is much more better :D [21:20] i like winamp because of the interface, specifically the media library interface [21:20] what does the aimp3 library look like? [21:20] Gmusicbrowser is written in Perl, isnt it too complicated?:P [21:22] We don't modify, we just use [21:22] strange irc channel #gmusicbrowser isnt on freenode [21:22] cant join [21:24] why there isn't alternate ISOs? [21:24] There are today [21:24] bad adress :P [21:24] my fault [21:24] http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/ [21:25] but, they are broken, too [21:25] They won't really install today [21:25] i will check it :) [21:25] that's why is 20110914.1 [21:26] yup [21:40] so, i am seeing this "sound menu" integration on a few things now [21:41] but when i installed that on xubuntu, it removed my menus from my windows [21:41] anyone know how to use the sound menu without it removing your menus? [21:45] usually install xfce4-indicator instead of unity [21:46] remove appmenu-gtk [21:48] i see, yea i think i was having that issue on my desktop, seems to work fine on my netbook, i'll check what i did to my desktop to mess it up when i get home [21:49] the indicator plugin seems to be a different color from my panel though [21:49] on might be because my panel has transparency [21:49] hmm yea xfce4-indicator doesn't theme based on the panel, it themes based on the system scheme [21:50] that's probably asking too much though haha [21:52] oh hey the indicator applet shows pidgin messages... i guess i can take the pidgin notification area icon away [21:52] this is what i get for customizing my desktop too much [21:55] now i just need my power icon to fit the theme... [22:29] I try to talk with polish transaltors for Xubuntu nad send mail to one of them, but didnt recaive any answer yet :( [22:33] and media player should be mplayer with some gui like smplayer or VLC cause of VDPAU and VA-API support [22:33] today most ppl like high resolution video and it helps on olders computers :) [22:39] raevol [22:39] wrong window -_- [23:26] hmm, what's necessary to get my battery to show up in the indicator menu in xfce? [23:33] add battery indicator to the panel? [23:34] or at least add xfce4-battery-plugin to your system [23:35] yea, but i want the indicator-menu appearance to the icon [23:35] trying to make everything look nice [23:43] hmm, if i make my notification area 23 pixels it shows nicely [23:43] but any bigger and it changes the icon [23:43] that seems a little silly [23:43] Yes, but smaller icons have less detail [23:44] so it does make sense [23:44] well the smaller one is monochrome and the same style as the indicator menu [23:44] the larger one is colored and a completely different style [23:45] i know this is super nitpicky... [23:45] i probably need to contact the people who make xfce-power-manager and see what it would take to make an appindicator for it [23:45] which they will probably be less than thrilled out [23:45] heh, yeah [23:45] but worth asking, I suppose