[02:02] <GridCube> good late night people
[02:02] <GridCube> im zsyncking now
[02:03] <madnick> :)
[02:03] <GridCube> :) sup madnick ?
[02:04] <GridCube> i've read that your plymouth and lightdm will get into oneiric?
[02:04] <madnick> Not much, coding :) you? 
[02:04] <madnick> Well
[02:04] <Unit193> Not greeter
[02:05] <GridCube> :(
[02:05] <GridCube> no greeter
[02:05] <madnick> The greeter unfortunetly could not be done, atleast in time 
[02:05] <madnick> So it goes in Oneric +1
[02:05] <GridCube> madnick, been working hard on the bookshelfs, pretty boring stuff if you are not into librarianship :P
[02:05] <madnick> ah :)
[02:06] <GridCube> oh well, at least you already did a lot of the job
[02:06] <GridCube> but wait...
[02:06] <Unit193> madnick: Will it get into a PPA for those of us that want to install it though? :)
[02:06] <madnick> Yeah the greeter was close to done, just some API stuff
[02:06] <GridCube> we will have  P I N K greeter?
[02:07] <madnick> Unit193: I stopped working on it temorarily since it did not make it in, but I will resume my work after this PyWeek competition
[02:07] <GridCube> PyWee
[02:07] <madnick> GridCube: hopefully we get the greeter theme in :)
[02:07] <GridCube> :D awesome
[02:07] <madnick> Its a wallpaper, and a font, pretty much :)
[02:07] <Unit193> madnick: Don't bother on my account though..
[02:08] <GridCube> i think that having it on a ppa would actually be awesome
[02:08] <GridCube> something to have on a "how to hack your xubuntu" blog :P
[02:08] <madnick> :)
[02:09] <GridCube> :P
[02:10] <GridCube> :D on an offtopic topic, i finally found a bookstore that sells Terry Pratchett books :D and that my friends IS AWESOME
[03:24] <GridCube> ouch installation failed, HARD
[03:25] <GridCube> i took screenshots
[03:25] <GridCube> is there a way to take the logs from it? on a vbox?
[03:26] <GridCube> apparently there is no kernel D:
[03:28] <Unit193> What install did you do? Alt?
[03:31] <GridCube> http://gridcube.netii.net/screencaps/Captura%20de%20pantalla-6.png
[03:31] <GridCube> yes
[03:31] <GridCube> alternate
[03:31] <GridCube> http://gridcube.netii.net/screencaps/Captura%20de%20pantalla-7.png
[03:33] <GridCube> ok now i have to go to sleep
[03:34] <GridCube> see you when i see you
[05:12] <Unit193> I think we had a wee bit of a netsplit there ;)
[13:40] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[13:41] <davmor2> morning charlie-tca 
[13:41] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, micahg : Alternate images are failing to build again, abiword and xubuntu-desktop
[13:41] <davmor2> charlie-tca: you at USD P?
[13:41] <charlie-tca> yeah, I will be there
[13:41] <charlie-tca> you?
[13:41] <micahg> :(
[13:42] <charlie-tca> davmor2: Will we have a chance to meet up, finally?
[13:42] <davmor2> charlie-tca: Indeedly doodley 
[13:44] <charlie-tca> micahg: maybe it is the server again? Abiword seemed to only build every other time during beta1 testing
[13:47] <micahg> charlie-tca: no idea, let me see if abiword installs on my other oneiric machine
[13:48] <micahg> charlie-tca: wfm, I'd say go for the retry
[13:49] <charlie-tca> I will do that.
[14:49] <mr_pouit> yeah, this error has been occurring lately
[14:49] <mr_pouit> (and I couldn't reproduce)
[14:50] <mr_pouit> at some point, it looked like a mirror/archive issue (e.g. gb.archive.ubuntu.com and others didn't contain oneiric abiword packages :)
[14:50] <charlie-tca> Today it came from the main mirror
[14:50] <charlie-tca> or, rather, server
[14:51] <charlie-tca> Kind of frustating that it keeps popping up
[14:53] <charlie-tca> and, again, the respin worked
[14:54] <charlie-tca> syncing now, will see if it installs
[15:03] <charlie-tca> Things are looking up for getting the greeter in, too
[15:04] <charlie-tca> got robert_ancell and pitti on it
[15:08] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: the server is dropping bits, maybe the parallel builds are giving problems. the respin zsync shows alternate images were at 98%
[15:45] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: still got a failure trying to install the alternate image:
[15:45] <charlie-tca> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[15:46] <charlie-tca> Sep 14 15:42:18 in-target:  libabiword-2.8 : Depends: libwv-1.2-3 (>= 1.2.4) but it is not installable
[15:46] <charlie-tca> Sep 14 15:42:18 in-target:  xubuntu-desktop : Depends: tango-icon-theme-common but it is not installable
[15:46] <charlie-tca> Sep 14 15:42:18 in-target:                    Recommends: screensaver-default-images but it is not installable
[15:53] <mr_pouit> it's the same failure than the build failure above
[15:54] <charlie-tca> with the addition of the screensaver thing
[16:02]  * jarnos noticed that pulseaudio is started even if it is unselected in Application Autostart. Rather odd...
[16:06]  * jarnos noticed that is was probably started by alsaplayer (gtk).
[16:08]  * jarnos or any other player I tried.
[16:09] <micahg> jarnos: pulseaudio is started when an app needs audio output
[16:15] <jarnos> micahg, I see, I had to remove the package.
[16:16] <micahg> why?   we don't support xubuntu w/out pulseaudio
[16:28] <charlie-tca> micahg, mr_pouit : any chance we can find what is wrong and have good images tomorrow?
[16:29] <micahg> charlie-tca: I think it's a mirror issue
[16:29] <charlie-tca> So, go push another respin ?
[16:31] <micahg> hold on, let me update again and try one more time
[16:32]  * micahg wants to be sure he's not missing anything
[16:33] <jarnos> micahg, I don't need it and my computer feels lighter without it.
[16:34] <micahg> jarnos: well, that's up to you, but we test with and support the audio stack with pulseaudio as the application layer interface
[16:40] <micahg> charlie-tca: abiword seems fine
[16:40] <charlie-tca> okay... I will push another spin then
[16:54] <jarno> micahg, there is a lot of work in supporting Xubuntu with pulseaudio: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio
[16:55] <micahg> jarno: we inherit the audio stack from Ubuntu, pulseaudio is what was chosen, that's what we use
[16:59] <micahg> charlie-tca: trying to install xubuntu-desktop in a chroot now to see if there are any issues
[16:59] <charlie-tca> It's alternate images failing
[17:00] <jarno> micahg, luckily, it can be removed, if you prefer. I have not noticed any problem with plain ALSA, but I suppose it is hardware dependent.
[17:00] <charlie-tca> The desktop images do work, which should mean xubuntu-desktop is not the problem
[17:01] <micahg> well, the two images are set up differently
[17:02]  * micahg doesn't understand the nuances yet
[17:03] <micahg> \o/ colord install failure
[17:04] <charlie-tca> bug 850172
[17:05] <charlie-tca> includes the logs from the failed install
[17:05] <charlie-tca> qa meeting
[17:06] <micahg> charlie-tca: ok, I have no idea what's causing that, I only got a colord failure when I installed
[17:07] <charlie-tca> Okay, that's why I filed the bug. If we can't figure out what is wrong, maybe ev or cjwatson can
[17:08] <charlie-tca> I will attempt an install on my other hardware, just to make sure that is not the problem
[17:09] <charlie-tca> The new behaviour of xfburn sucks!
[17:09] <charlie-tca> I have 60 images, and to pick the right one from "recently used" doesn't work
[17:10] <charlie-tca> Why can't it default to the last directory any more?
[17:10] <micahg> charlie-tca: k3b?
[17:11] <charlie-tca> xfburn, which is the xubuntu default
[17:11] <micahg> I know, I was making a suggestion
[17:32] <charlie-tca> micahg: same failure on my other hardware machine
[17:32] <micahg> right, I think the issue is with creating the image
[17:36] <charlie-tca> I do too, considering that every respin had to be done twice for beta1, with the same errors
[19:50] <raevol> just saw the xubuntu meeting notes, is xubuntu sticking with gdm for 11.10? or just won't have an xubuntu theme for lightdm in 11.10?
[19:50] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu will have lightdm. It is only the theme we are unsure of at this time
[19:50] <raevol> ok thanks
[19:51] <raevol> i'm not sure if this is the right place to discuss this, but i feel we should keep an eye on beatbox from elementaryos to use as a media player, it's pretty nice
[19:52] <charlie-tca> Good place to mention stuff, yes
[19:52] <charlie-tca> elementary os is supposed to be based on Ubuntu 12.04 
[19:53] <charlie-tca> The more it is based on Gnome / Unity, the harder it becomes for us to use 
[19:53] <raevol> right, and beatbox is way to feature incomplete to consider at the moment, but it seems like a good start
[19:53] <raevol> i'm just suggesting the media player, i have it installed in xubuntu through the ppa, it's just a gtk program
[19:54] <charlie-tca> I would suggest keeping an eye on it then. 
[19:54] <raevol> cool
[19:54] <charlie-tca> We do try and review such things each cycle
[19:55] <charlie-tca> It just becomes too much for one person to try and keep track of things
[19:55] <raevol> no worries, there's a lot of different programs out there, especially when it comes to media players
[19:55] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:56] <charlie-tca> but we are pretty much open at looking around
[19:56]  * Unit193 will always use VLC though :P
[19:56] <raevol> you could consider having one xubuntu person specialize in each program? like one person for browsers, one for media players, one for chat clients?
[19:56] <charlie-tca> in comparing them, yes
[19:57] <raevol> i know i go through media players like kleenex, so i'm pretty versed on what's available
[19:57] <raevol> of course i have my own bias as to which is the "best" though
[19:58] <charlie-tca> here is the last big comparison we had on them:
[19:58] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Karmic/DefaultMusicPlayer
[19:59] <raevol> karmic
[20:00] <charlie-tca> yes, but you can see the layout and how we compared them.
[20:01] <pleia2> charlie-tca: I was thinking, since we have a few new contributors this cycle doing it that you essentially taught by hand, a blog post about "how to test daily xubuntu isos" would be nice
[20:02] <charlie-tca> yes, I could agree with that
[20:02]  * charlie-tca supposes pleia2 was thinking he should write that, too?
[20:04] <charlie-tca> Well, that makes the nick list shorter :)
[20:04] <raevol> :P
[20:04] <Unit193> Yep, handy ;)
[20:04] <pleia2> please :) but I can proof it and find people who don't know about testing to review it too
[20:04] <charlie-tca> Olbi: I tried to make it easier to pick the right month for testing. Let me know if it works for you?
[20:05] <charlie-tca> pleia2: okay, I will 
[20:05] <pleia2> hehe
[20:05] <Unit193> He's helped me *tons*
[20:08] <Olbi> ok
[20:09] <Olbi> charlie-tca: nice works, thx :)
[20:10] <charlie-tca> You are welcome. Thanks for trying so hard! 
[20:11] <Olbi> there isnt work link to iso: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20110914/oneiric-desktop-amd64.iso
[20:13] <charlie-tca> you are right
[20:13] <charlie-tca> try http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ instead
[20:24] <raevol> :( i wish the Elementary Xubuntu Dark icon theme didn't override pidgin's icon, the overriden icon doesn't indicate when new messages arrive
[20:29] <charlie-tca> I did not know it was based on icon theme
[20:40] <charlie-tca> raevol: That should be a bug report needed, that theme is specific to Xubuntu
[20:43] <raevol> ok, let me see if i can report a bug
[20:46] <raevol> doesn't seem to already be reported
[20:47] <charlie-tca> Here is the latest comparison of music players, but it is not as comprehesive the karmic one:
[20:47] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Natty/DefaultMediaPlayer
[20:48] <charlie-tca> report it using      ubuntu-bug xubuntu-artwork         in a terminal
[20:48] <raevol> ok
[20:51] <Olbi> LOL, these both are really same :P
[20:52] <Olbi> I think ppl need support for players, like iPod, MP3, MP4, iRivers etc
[20:52] <Olbi> maybe Banshee?
[20:53] <Olbi> and I think we need change in next Xubuntu default notepadd from leafpad to gedit with gedit-plugins
[20:53] <raevol> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/+bug/850376
[20:54] <raevol> banshee is pretty dependency heavy, of course it's also very nice, it's what i was using before i found beatbox
[20:54] <Olbi> Mousepad and Leafpad are like children instead of gEdit which is mature :)
[20:54] <charlie-tca> gedit has a lot of dependencies from gnome. Also, leafpad is a simple editor, which doesn't require the whole desktop.
[20:54] <Olbi> shame :(
[20:54] <charlie-tca> We also have abiword if you prefer more capability
[20:54] <Olbi> but is powerfull :)
[20:54] <Olbi> in abiword i cant programming simple scripts :P
[20:55] <charlie-tca> banshee is too resource intensive for us
[20:55] <Unit193> !info scite
[20:55] <charlie-tca> If you look at the comparisons, you will see we chose the lightest resource use with the best all around ability
[20:55] <charlie-tca> Recommendation:  geany for editing
[20:56] <charlie-tca> dependent on GTK, instead of GNOME, works well, has lots of options
[20:56] <Unit193> Leafpad is the best for default thoughg
[20:57] <charlie-tca> I will try scite if you think it is at least comparable to gedit/geany
[20:57] <charlie-tca> Olbi: why can you not do simple scripts in abiword? you can "save as" text with it.
[20:58] <Olbi> i like highlighting :)
[20:58] <charlie-tca> although I do use leafpad for that instead
[20:58] <Olbi> and gedit plugins rocks :D
[20:58] <Olbi> like embedded terminal :)
[20:58] <raevol> i think the default text editor should be very simple to use, it's not intended for development, it's intended for joe shmoe user to look in text files
[20:59] <raevol> if you're a developer you know how to install your own editor :P
[20:59] <Olbi> :)
[20:59] <charlie-tca> but gedit it tied pretty heavy to lots of gnome stuff
[20:59] <charlie-tca> Olbi: geany has a terminal too
[20:59] <Olbi> ok, so all done, gedit is too heavy  :D
[20:59] <charlie-tca> right
[21:00] <Olbi> but what now with musicplayer?
[21:00] <Olbi> gmusicbrowser is good but not best :)
[21:00] <raevol> gmusicplayer is probably the best of players that are light enough for xubuntu
[21:00] <Olbi> hasnt good support for players and pods, and streaming
[21:01] <charlie-tca> We are open to comparisons of musicplayers.
[21:01] <charlie-tca> If you find one that works well, and is still lightweight, we will look at it
[21:01] <charlie-tca> scite and geany seem to have about the same depends
[21:01] <Olbi> but is as I read on site comparison is easier for gui creation :]
[21:02] <Olbi> and more backends support
[21:02] <Unit193> I don't know what to say about scite as it isn't as good as Notepad++ but it's as close as you can get :/
[21:02] <Olbi> I think, gmusicborwser should have tabs in music window
[21:03] <Olbi> it is very usefull
[21:03] <charlie-tca> the gmusicbrowser developers are pretty open to suggestions and helping get the application to work for users.
[21:14] <raevol> i just want winamp on linux :(
[21:14] <raevol> winamp was perfect
[21:19] <Olbi> AIMP3 is much more better :D
[21:20] <raevol> i like winamp because of the interface, specifically the media library interface
[21:20] <raevol> what does the aimp3 library look like?
[21:20] <Olbi> Gmusicbrowser is written in Perl, isnt it too complicated?:P
[21:22] <charlie-tca> We don't modify, we just use
[21:22] <Olbi> strange irc channel #gmusicbrowser isnt on freenode
[21:22] <Olbi> cant join
[21:24] <Olbi> why there isn't alternate ISOs?
[21:24] <charlie-tca> There are today
[21:24] <Olbi> bad adress :P
[21:24] <Olbi> my fault
[21:24] <charlie-tca> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/
[21:25] <charlie-tca> but, they are broken, too
[21:25] <charlie-tca> They won't really install today
[21:25] <Olbi> i will check it :)
[21:25] <Olbi> that's why is 20110914.1
[21:26] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:40] <raevol> so, i am seeing this "sound menu" integration on a few things now
[21:41] <raevol> but when i installed that on xubuntu, it removed my menus from my windows
[21:41] <raevol> anyone know how to use the sound menu without it removing your menus?
[21:45] <charlie-tca> usually install xfce4-indicator instead of unity
[21:46] <mr_pouit> remove appmenu-gtk
[21:48] <raevol> i see, yea i think i was having that issue on my desktop, seems to work fine on my netbook, i'll check what i did to my desktop to mess it up when i get home
[21:49] <raevol> the indicator plugin seems to be a different color from my panel though
[21:49] <raevol> on might be because my panel has transparency
[21:49] <raevol> hmm yea xfce4-indicator doesn't theme based on the panel, it themes based on the system scheme
[21:50] <raevol> that's probably asking too much though haha
[21:52] <raevol> oh hey the indicator applet shows pidgin messages... i guess i can take the pidgin notification area icon away
[21:52] <raevol> this is what i get for customizing my desktop too much
[21:55] <raevol> now i just need my power icon to fit the theme...
[22:29] <Olbi> I try to talk with polish transaltors for Xubuntu nad send mail to one of them, but didnt recaive any answer yet :(
[22:33] <Olbi> and media player should be mplayer with some gui like smplayer or VLC cause of VDPAU and VA-API support
[22:33] <Olbi> today most ppl like high resolution video and it helps on olders computers :)
[22:39] <raevol> raevol
[22:39] <raevol> wrong window -_-
[23:26] <raevol> hmm, what's necessary to get my battery to show up in the indicator menu in xfce?
[23:33] <charlie-tca> add battery indicator to the panel?
[23:34] <charlie-tca> or at least add xfce4-battery-plugin to your system
[23:35] <raevol> yea, but i want the indicator-menu appearance to the icon
[23:35] <raevol> trying to make everything look nice
[23:43] <raevol> hmm, if i make my notification area 23 pixels it shows nicely
[23:43] <raevol> but any bigger and it changes the icon
[23:43] <raevol> that seems a little silly
[23:43] <charlie-tca> Yes, but smaller icons have less detail
[23:44] <charlie-tca> so it does make sense
[23:44] <raevol> well the smaller one is monochrome and the same style as the indicator menu
[23:44] <raevol> the larger one is colored and a completely different style
[23:45] <raevol> i know this is super nitpicky...
[23:45] <raevol> i probably need to contact the people who make xfce-power-manager and see what it would take to make an appindicator for it
[23:45] <raevol> which they will probably be less than thrilled out
[23:45] <charlie-tca> heh, yeah
[23:45] <charlie-tca> but worth asking, I suppose