[00:00] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/YtM9Z.png <-- famous
[00:08] <claydoh> pretty:)
[00:08] <claydoh> I think I will toss a coin to pick my phone
[00:09] <apachelogger> claydoh: http://www.sylloge.com/5k/entries/162/
[00:09] <apachelogger> much bettar
[00:09] <claydoh> naw it has to be low-tech
[00:10] <claydoh> plus i have to decide which is yes and which is no :)
[00:10] <apachelogger> just go "should I buy the phone x oh mighty universial decison maker?"
[00:11] <claydoh> battery life and much better screen vs  slightly better camera/flash and nicer feel to the case
[00:12] <apachelogger> battery life and screen tops everything IMHO
[00:12] <claydoh> I think better screen and battery win, as I am outdoors a lot
[01:09] <lunarcloud> for anyone who was looking at and/or editing the google doc associated with the upcoming release announcement, a google docs bug forced me to backup and recreate the document (i know how not to reproduce). So it's now located: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nQobLCdkgk5QZK3qgIIJ3X1J_rZXeZT5ZsYAsCXL8IU/edit?hl=en_US with full edit access.
[01:18] <DarkwingDuck> I prolly ought to come up with a session or two
[01:42] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse_: ping
[01:42] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: ping
[03:10]  * DarkwingDuck sighs
[03:23] <claydoh> DarkwingDuck: why so sad?
[03:23] <DarkwingDuck> claydoh: People playing with the docs have not been filling out the work items.
[03:24] <DarkwingDuck> So, I have to review almost all of them instead of what hasn't been done.
[03:25] <DarkwingDuck> Can someone bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs and tell me the active revision?
[04:05] <tsimpson> DarkwingDuck: wouldn't "bzr revno lp:kubuntu-docs" tell you that?
[04:05] <DarkwingDuck> I got my issues worked out.
[04:34] <valorie> DarkwingDuck: pong
[04:34] <valorie> sorry, I had guests
[04:34] <valorie> and freenode kicked me off anyway
[04:41] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: awesome. I answered my own questions.
[04:41] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[04:41] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: You're not going to be in Orlando? :(
[04:41] <valorie> I forgot to apply
[04:41] <valorie> :(
[04:42] <valorie> thought I had a few more days
[04:42] <valorie> but I didn't
[04:42] <DarkwingDuck> :( bugger
[04:42] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I'm going to be up for a while.
[04:42] <DarkwingDuck> I have to figure out what all jjesse did on the docs.
[04:42] <valorie> I'm getting back to work on them in a sec
[04:43] <valorie> downloaded the checking thingie, and have been looking at the docs
[04:43] <valorie> I've found one broken image link
[04:43] <valorie> dunno what to do about it though
[04:44] <valorie> oops
[04:44] <valorie>   /kubuntu/docs/audio/C/burning.html - no first image
[04:49] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: did you finish Audio, bugs, CLI, Contact, contribute and basics?
[04:52] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: ^^
[04:55] <valorie> yes, but I just found a problem in bugs
[04:55] <valorie> which I will fix right now
[04:55] <DarkwingDuck> Okay cool.
[04:55] <valorie> I got errors again last night
[04:55] <valorie> are they already pushed?
[04:55] <DarkwingDuck> Yes
[04:56] <valorie> it doesn't like me uploading more than one file, i guess
[04:56] <DarkwingDuck> This is what I've been complaining about people not updating https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-documentation-review
[04:56] <valorie> should I have different names for each thing or something?
[04:56] <DarkwingDuck> I got it updated though
[04:56] <valorie> I updated that every time though!
[04:56] <valorie> maybe it didn't take my input?
[04:56] <valorie> it looked like it did......
[04:57] <valorie> shi*, there are a lot of TODOs
[04:57] <valorie> ;(
[04:57] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, you have to click the green checkmark when you are finished.
[04:57] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I brewed a fresh pot.
[04:58] <DarkwingDuck> By tomorrow I'll update the POT files and build
[04:58] <DarkwingDuck> THey hand off to translations.
[04:58] <DarkwingDuck> s/THey/then/
[04:58] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck meant: "then hand off to translations."
[05:01] <micahg> can someone tell me what type of warning they get in konqueror with this website: https://www.aivd.nl
[05:05] <DarkwingDuck> micahg: give me a sec
[05:07] <DarkwingDuck> micahg: http://imm.io/9cAa
[05:07] <micahg> :(, that's what I want to see
[05:08] <DarkwingDuck> Sorry
[05:08] <micahg> hmm, maybe it's just a 4.6/4.7 difference
[05:08] <micahg> I get that in maverick now
[05:09] <micahg> DarkwingDuck: thanks for the help
[05:09] <fabo> ScottK: I have the sslv2 issue in my todo. I think there's a better way to resolve the issue
[05:09] <DarkwingDuck> micahg: I'm getting the error in Firefox as well. I can just ignore it in FF
[05:10] <micahg> DarkwingDuck: right, in QT, it's a straight blacklist, in Firefox the blacklist was conditional on when the cert was issued whether or not it could be ignored
[05:11] <DarkwingDuck> Righto
[05:11] <ScottK> fabo: OK.  We're getting very close to the end here, so any suggestions you have I'd greatly appreciate.  We probably only have about two or three more shots to upload Qt before release.
[05:13] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: YOu are not going to be able to make it to Orlando, correct?
[05:13] <ScottK> It's very unlikely at this point.
[05:19] <DarkwingDuck> :(
[05:19] <DarkwingDuck> very sad
[05:22]  * micahg is saddened by that as well, who else am I going to stay up to 4 in the morning talking to :)
[05:23] <DarkwingDuck> I'll be there :P
[05:23] <micahg> please say hi :)
[05:27] <DarkwingDuck> Oh I will... We need to schedule a kubuntu picture meeting time.
[05:27] <valorie> I would say that I'll fly on my own dime, but it's RIGHT after the doc camp and mentor summit
[05:27] <valorie> so bad timing, even if I was sponsored
[05:35] <valorie> DarkwingDuck: I can no longer edit https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-documentation-review
[05:35] <valorie> is it locked, or what?
[05:38] <valorie> am gonna work on desktop
[05:39] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: It shouldn't be... are you logged into LP?
[05:39] <valorie> yes
[05:39] <DarkwingDuck> strange...
[05:39] <valorie> perhaps i should log out and in again?
[05:39] <valorie> I just requested merge for bugs
[05:39] <DarkwingDuck> It should let you edit under the "Whiteboard" section
[05:39] <valorie> again
[05:40] <DarkwingDuck> URL for the merge request?
[05:40] <valorie> oh, now it's letting me
[05:40] <valorie> https://code.launchpad.net/~valorie-zimmerman/kubuntu-docs/valorieEdits/+merge/75478
[05:46] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: revision 231
[05:47] <DarkwingDuck> ubottu: you suck at life
[05:47] <DarkwingDuck> ubottu: I know I know.
[05:55] <DarkwingDuck> Anyone in here actually used Krita?
[05:55] <DarkwingDuck> Like, is it stable enough to include in documentation?
[05:56] <DarkwingDuck> WTF?
[05:56] <DarkwingDuck> Krita requires KOffice?
[05:57] <ScottK> It's part of koffice.
[05:58] <DarkwingDuck> Interesting.
[05:58] <DarkwingDuck> I had forgotten that.
[05:58] <DarkwingDuck> How stable is it?
[06:00] <shadeslayer> hey guys, morning
[06:00] <shadeslayer> hey valorie
[06:03] <DarkwingDuck> Morning
[06:03] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: You ever used Krita?
[06:03] <shadeslayer> nope
[06:14] <valorie> hi shadeslayer
[06:14] <valorie> I saw it demoed at DS
[06:15] <valorie> looked pretty damn cool
[06:15] <valorie> Krita is a part of Calligra, as I recall
[06:15] <valorie> KDE should be providing the documentation
[06:16] <shadeslayer> valorie: Google won't allow me to stay for the Mentor Summit, carols said it was a mentors only event :'(
[06:17] <valorie> right, mentors and admins
[06:17] <shadeslayer> yeah 
[06:17] <valorie> but you'll be there for doc camp, right?
[06:17] <shadeslayer> yep
[06:17] <shadeslayer> if i get the visa :P
[06:17] <valorie> cool
[06:17] <valorie> I'm looking forward to both
[06:18] <shadeslayer> :D
[06:18] <valorie> but I'll bet it will be exhausting too
[06:18] <shadeslayer> just have to figure out accomodation for the 22nd now
[06:18] <valorie> so I'm sort of glad that I'm not going to orlando
[06:18] <shadeslayer> haha 
[06:18] <valorie> but oh, I want to be there anyway
[06:18] <valorie> i just wish there was more time between
[06:19] <valorie> one week between CLS/OSCON and flying to Berlin was NOT enough
[06:19] <shadeslayer> valorie: i found some awesome flights this time, they take only 18 hours
[06:19] <valorie> heh
[06:19] <valorie> 25 hours to Berlin
[06:19] <valorie> sec
[06:20] <shadeslayer> maybe i should borrow apachelogger's spaceship this time
[06:22] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: Doc Camp?
[06:23] <valorie> yes, the week before the Mentor's Summit
[06:23] <valorie> GSoC spinoff, I guess
[06:23] <valorie> it's the first time they've done it
[06:24] <nigelb> shadeslayer: you took 25 hours to berlin?
[06:24] <valorie> I'm in the same team as shadeslayer - we'll be working on documenting how to get involved in KDE
[06:24] <jussi> shadeslayer: spaceships are for people from the past, we need a teleporter
[06:24] <valorie> Seattle is a looooong ways from Berlin
[06:24]  * micahg would be happy with a shuttlecraft
[06:24] <valorie> I did have a two hour or so layover in New Jersey
[06:26] <valorie> there is no more KDE Menu editor, am I correct?
[06:26] <valorie> because the Kickoff is now just a plasma widget, right?
[06:27] <shadeslayer> nigelb: eh no, that would be valorie :P
[06:27] <valorie> oops, no
[06:27] <nigelb> YOu guys have no imagination. Or forgot Star Trek.
[06:27] <nigelb> I just want my own personal transporter :P
[06:28] <shadeslayer> heh
[06:28] <shadeslayer> spaceships are more cooler
[06:29] <nigelb> but slower
[06:29] <shadeslayer> so? 
[06:29] <shadeslayer> much more fun tho :P
[06:29] <nigelb> instant gratification is more win :P
[06:30] <shadeslayer> and if i understand teleportation correctly, the actual you is lost and a clone is received at the other end :P
[06:30] <nigelb> Don't get philosphical with technology :P
[06:31] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[06:33] <DarkwingDuck> Uggh
[06:34] <jussi> oh yay for fun. all the things that are suposed to slide out from the panel slide from the top... fixes plskthxbai
[06:36] <tsimpson> jussi: learn C++, then Qt, then KDE, kthxbye!
[06:36] <tsimpson> and Python while you're at it :)
[06:37] <DarkwingDuck> Yay!
[06:37] <DarkwingDuck> Only 3 more docs
[06:38] <jussi> tsimpson: AWW, dont be mean :(
[06:44] <tsimpson> actually, learn C++, then Python. it's a lot easer once you know C++ and you won't fall into bad practices from learning an interpreted language first
[06:44] <shadeslayer> ^^ true that
[06:44] <valorie> putting up desktop, DarkwingDuck
[06:45] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: i usually prototype my classes in python and then convert it into C++ 
[06:45] <valorie> https://code.launchpad.net/~valorie-zimmerman/kubuntu-docs/valorieEdits/+merge/75485
[06:46] <shadeslayer> uhm
[06:46] <valorie> give me a hint as to what you'd like me to work on next
[06:47] <shadeslayer> valorie: i see diff markers
[06:47] <shadeslayer> +>>>>>>> MERGE-SOURCE
[06:47] <valorie> what do you mean?
[06:47] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: Yeah...
[06:47] <DarkwingDuck> Toss that out and review all the docs. I went through and made a bunch of changes.
[06:48] <DarkwingDuck> Look for three keys.
[06:48] <DarkwingDuck> any spelling error. Any ref to KpackageKit and any ref to OpenOffice
[06:49] <valorie> what?
[06:49] <valorie> that was an hour of work
[06:49] <valorie> bleah
[06:49] <DarkwingDuck> :/
[06:49] <DarkwingDuck> I made those changes :P:P
[06:49] <DarkwingDuck> make sure you update your branch
[06:49] <valorie> I did
[06:50] <valorie> I've been following your doc guide religiously
[06:50] <DarkwingDuck> revision 336?
[06:50] <DarkwingDuck> ubottu: I hate you
[06:50] <valorie> I'm not sure what you are asking
[06:50] <DarkwingDuck> Should have marked it on the Work Items
[06:50] <valorie> I did
[06:51] <valorie> and saved that
[06:51] <DarkwingDuck> It wasn't...
[06:51] <valorie> :(
[06:51] <valorie> oh, well
[06:51] <valorie> ok, I'll go back to the review thing
[06:51] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[06:51] <DarkwingDuck> I'm just looking for ref to KPackageKit and OpenOffice
[06:51] <DarkwingDuck> Those need to be shot.
[06:51] <DarkwingDuck> Replaced with Muon and LibreOffice
[06:52] <valorie> I wanted it correct, and I made it correct
[06:52] <DarkwingDuck> and if it's &menukpackagekit; it needs to be changed to &menusysmuon;
[06:52]  * DarkwingDuck hugs valorie 
[06:52] <DarkwingDuck> I'm sorry :(
[06:56]  * valorie goes and makes a gin and tonic
[07:03]  * DarkwingDuck yells at nixternal
[07:19] <DarkwingDuck> I am so going to update these damn scripes
[07:19] <DarkwingDuck> s/scripes/scripts/
[07:19] <kubotu> DarkwingDuck meant: "I am so going to update these damn scripts"
[07:23] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: hows it coming?
[07:24] <valorie> delicious!
[07:24] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[07:25] <DarkwingDuck> Up for a lst minute review?
[07:25] <DarkwingDuck> s/lst/last
[07:25] <valorie> sure
[07:26] <DarkwingDuck> Like I said... Just look through for refs to KPackageKit and OpenOffice
[07:26] <valorie> tell me *exactly* what you want me to do
[07:26] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[07:26] <DarkwingDuck> I'm going to be re-writing these damn scripts
[07:26] <valorie> which ones?
[07:28] <DarkwingDuck> The validation and pot generation scripts
[07:29] <DarkwingDuck> I'm going to make it simplier to validate and make pot files.
[07:30] <valorie> cool
[07:30] <valorie> anyway, tell me exactly what to do and I'll do it
[07:31] <valorie> no more wasted work
[07:31] <DarkwingDuck> You use Kate?
[07:32] <valorie> yes
[07:33] <DarkwingDuck> if you can go into each xml file in the branch, click Ctrl+F and search each document for refrences to both OpenOffice and KpakcageKit
[07:34] <DarkwingDuck> They should be changed to LibreOffice and Muon respectivly.
[07:34] <DarkwingDuck> or how ever you spell it.
[07:34] <valorie> ok
[07:41] <valorie> <sect1 id="bluefish-editor">
Bluefish Editor - Web Development Editor</title>
Home page:  
[07:41] <valorie> <ulink url="http://bluefish.openoffice.nl"> http://bluefish.openoffice.nl </ulink>
[07:41] <valorie> in Development.xml
[07:41] <valorie> dunno what that is
[07:42] <valorie> and I didn't change it
[07:44] <valorie> fixing games.xml atm
[07:44] <DarkwingDuck> that for bluefish, you can leave that one.
[07:44] <valorie> did
[07:48] <valorie> pushed games
[07:50] <valorie> and there is an error
[07:50] <valorie> dunno why the last one is still active -- you refused it
[07:51] <DarkwingDuck> .......... hmmmz
[07:53] <valorie> and launchpad showed that
[07:54] <DarkwingDuck> You pulled first right?
[07:54] <valorie> pulled?
[07:54] <valorie> update, status, commit, then push
[07:57] <valorie> I can paste you my changes if that helps
[07:59] <valorie> http://paste.kde.org/121495
[08:03] <DarkwingDuck> Thanks, gimme a sec
[08:04] <DarkwingDuck> That's in games?
[08:04] <valorie> yes
[08:04] <valorie> search for kpackage and you'll find the paragraph
[08:04] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, Thanks. :D
[08:10] <bambee> morning
[08:12] <DarkwingDuck> Morning :)
[08:13] <valorie> graphics - fixing
[08:15] <valorie> pushing
[08:17] <valorie> s l o w Launchpad
[08:19] <valorie> oh good grief
[08:21] <valorie> oops, I hadn't entered my passphrase
[08:21] <valorie> lawd
[08:22] <valorie> another error
[08:22] <valorie> There is already a branch merge proposal registered for branch lp:~valorie-zimmerman/kubuntu-docs/valorieEdits to land on lp:kubuntu-docs that is still active.
[08:22] <valorie> no idea why
[08:24] <DarkwingDuck> hang on.
[08:24] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, give it a couple minutes then try again.
[08:25] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: give it another shot.
[08:26] <valorie> proposed successfully
[08:26] <DarkwingDuck> XD
[08:28] <valorie> fixing index.xml
[08:28] <DarkwingDuck> hang on...
[08:28] <DarkwingDuck> I gotta figure out why it is showing the diff markup
[08:29] <valorie> ok
[08:30] <DarkwingDuck> Because, that will mess everything up. :(
[08:31] <DarkwingDuck> On a brighter note... 
[08:32] <DarkwingDuck> there are really cool automated scripts for validation now.
[08:35] <DarkwingDuck> Hey Riddell 
[08:35] <valorie> ready to push when you're ready
[08:36] <DarkwingDuck> try it again.l
[08:38] <valorie> the previous one?
[08:39] <valorie> done
[08:39] <Riddell> hi DarkwingDuck
[08:39] <valorie> hey Riddell
[08:39] <valorie> are you coming to UDS?
[08:40] <Riddell> valorie: I will if you will :)
[08:40] <valorie> argh!
[08:40] <valorie> I'd have to pay my own way
[08:40] <valorie> and i would, if it wasn't so darn close to the doc camp and mentor summit
[08:41] <valorie> god though, a few days on the river with darby......
[08:41] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: can you look at this and figure out why it's showing the diff markup for valorie? https://code.launchpad.net/~valorie-zimmerman/kubuntu-docs/valorieEdits/+merge/75496
[08:41] <valorie> that's heaven
[08:42] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: looks like it needs to pull from trunk and fix the conflicts
[08:42] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: ^^^
[08:43] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: I'm *finally* fixing the pot scripts for the docs
[08:43] <Riddell> yay
[08:43] <valorie> but I do an update, status, commit, then push
[08:43] <valorie> every time
[08:44] <valorie> as the Documentation guide recommends
[08:44] <DarkwingDuck> GARG
[08:44] <valorie> downloaded from trunk only a week or so ago
[08:44] <DarkwingDuck> update == pull
[08:45] <valorie> and have done the update every time
[08:45]  * DarkwingDuck goes to fix his damn guide
[08:45] <valorie> I've been doing it wrong?
[08:45] <valorie> geeeeez
[08:47] <debfx> Riddell: how can I tell bzr commit to open an editor instead of guessing the commit message from the changelog?
[08:47] <Riddell> BZR_DISABLE_PLUGINS=builddeb bzr commmit
[08:48] <Riddell> debfx: ^^
[08:51] <debfx> Riddell: thanks
[08:52]  * debfx creates an alias
[09:03] <DarkwingDuck> valorie is going to give up on me.
[09:03] <bambee> apachelogger: did you import your fixes btw ? (for kde-workspace) I can do it, if you want...
[09:04] <valorie> I'll at least push the last changes I made
[09:04] <valorie> if that will help
[09:04] <valorie> I do need to sleep eventually
[09:04] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[09:04] <DarkwingDuck> How far did you get?
[09:06] <valorie> I have index.xml ready to push
[09:06] <valorie> if you want it
[09:07] <DarkwingDuck> Aye
[09:07] <valorie> do you have the last one yet, or what?
[09:07] <valorie> and how /when should I pull?
[09:07] <valorie> the Documentation doc hasn't changed
[09:08] <DarkwingDuck> merge away
[09:11] <bulldog98_work> DarkwingDuck: http://community.kde.org/Getinvolved/documentation
[09:12] <valorie> another error
[09:12] <valorie> same as before
[09:12] <valorie> this sucks
[09:12] <bulldog98_work> DarkwingDuck: also http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/Get_a_SVN_Account and mention apachelogger :)
[09:18] <valorie> the entire index.xml is at http://paste.kde.org/121519/ if that is of use, DarkwingDuck
[09:18] <valorie> niters all
[09:19] <valorie> manage-software will need fixing
[09:19] <valorie> but I don't think I'm the person to do it
[09:20] <DarkwingDuck> I'll finish it. thanks for EVERYTHING valorie 
[09:26] <valorie> I'll check the rest
[09:26] <valorie> and report those which need changes
[09:29] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: I've got it.
[09:29] <DarkwingDuck> I've made most of the changes.
[09:30] <valorie> cool
[09:30] <shadeslayer> valorie: whoa, it must probably be 3 AM for you
[09:30] <valorie> 2:30
[09:30] <valorie> about average for me
[09:31] <shadeslayer> oh .. alright, night :)
[09:31] <valorie> video mentions kpackagekit
[09:32] <valorie> so I've checked them all
[09:33] <jussi> Hrm, I have an idea - how about we provide a decent set of default headings and styles in libreoffice - not something that looks like it came out of the 90's... Is this possible? can I help define these? who do I need to contact to get this started? 
[09:33] <debfx> yofel_: what's the url of your bzr branch overview page?
[09:34] <DarkwingDuck> thanks valorie 
[09:34] <DarkwingDuck> Yay!
[09:34] <DarkwingDuck> docs updated
[09:35] <DarkwingDuck> now to test my new script for generating pot files.
[09:37] <ejat> :)
[09:38] <DarkwingDuck> YAY!
[09:38] <DarkwingDuck> It's crude as all get out but, it works!
[09:38] <DarkwingDuck> ls
[09:38] <DarkwingDuck> oops, wrong window
[09:42] <DarkwingDuck> anyone in here work with translations?
[09:46] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: ping
[09:47] <Riddell> hi DarkwingDuck
[09:48] <jussi> DarkwingDuck: dpm is the translations man ;)
[09:48] <DarkwingDuck> hey Riddell, question about getting the docs to translation.
[09:48] <DarkwingDuck> I have updated the pot files.
[09:48] <DarkwingDuck> What else do I need to do to get them uploaded or whatever. :D
[09:49] <Riddell> have the package uploaded to the ubuntu repository with the pot files updated
[09:49] <Riddell> tell the translators to translate it
[09:50] <DarkwingDuck> I need to build the package?
[09:50] <Riddell> someone does
[09:50]  * DarkwingDuck mutters
[09:50] <DarkwingDuck> I guess now is a good time to learn to build packages...
[09:50] <Riddell> then before the release get the .po files and turn them into docbook and upload that
[09:50] <DarkwingDuck> Righto
[09:50] <DarkwingDuck> http://paste.kde.org/121525/ my xml to pot script for our docs :D
[09:51] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: does the bzr build-deb work? :P:P
[09:51] <Riddell> maybe but it doesn't build source packages, that still done the same way
[09:51] <Riddell> dch -i  to add a changelog
[09:52] <Riddell> debuild -S  to build source package
[09:53] <DarkwingDuck> I'll give this a shot and see how I do.
[09:54] <Riddell> make sure you move the .bzr directory out the way before running debuild -S
[10:18] <bulldog98_work> who is responsible for kubuntu.org? the links to Locos are not working. eg http://www.kubuntu.org/support/deutsch
[10:19] <DarkwingDuck> bulldog98_work: give me a moment and I'll look at it.
[10:19]  * bulldog98_work hugs DarkwingDuck 
[10:20] <bulldog98_work> can we get branding for http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-flavor-kubuntu.html ?
[10:20] <bulldog98_work> some thing like http://status.kubuntu.org/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-flavor-kubuntu.html
[10:24] <DarkwingDuck> bulldog98_work: make a note of it for me at UDS.
[10:24] <DarkwingDuck> I'll work on that while I'm working on getting help.k.o
[10:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: seems I will definitely need a cpp ical parser
[10:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: in qml you cannot thread a qtobject
[10:24] <apachelogger> only javascripts
[10:30] <bulldog98_work> DarkwingDuck: I will not attend uds, and where can I I do notes like that?
[10:34] <DarkwingDuck> bulldog98_work: make a note at the bottom of this page. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-P
[10:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: heh :P
[10:36] <shadeslayer> will have a go over the weekend
[10:37] <apachelogger> also I need to envision storage and sync at some point
[10:37] <shadeslayer> i'm pretty sure we can store with libical
[10:38] <apachelogger> also I had the awesome idea of making it a one stop info app for uds stuff ... a venue map could be added, travel documents could be added, travel information
[10:38] <apachelogger> maybe even notes, so that all the uds stuff is in one place ^^
[10:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and sync?
[10:38] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[10:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: maybe syncevolution?
[10:39] <apachelogger> on a phone?
[10:39] <shadeslayer> syncevolution is made for phones as well :P
[10:39] <apachelogger> for something as trivial as vevent?
[10:39] <shadeslayer> vevent?
[10:39] <apachelogger> events in a cal
[10:39] <shadeslayer> ah
[10:39] <apachelogger> the fatness of all the components is killing me
[10:40] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[10:40]  * apachelogger is thinking about sync from remote ical to local storage
[10:41] <shadeslayer> kmustleave now
[10:41] <shadeslayer> cya
[10:41] <apachelogger> o/
[10:44] <DarkwingDuck> wow, apachelogger is awake now?
[10:44] <DarkwingDuck> And I have not been to bed yet :/
[10:44] <debfx> is there anything else in kde-workspace that we need to fix?
[10:45] <apachelogger> bambee: plz import the mighty patches
[10:45] <debfx> which patches?
[10:45] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: you should totally go to bed really
[10:46] <apachelogger> debfx: the foundations of rootonly kcm fix
[10:46] <debfx> I've already added them
[10:46] <apachelogger> bambee: debfx has already added them
[10:46] <bambee> oh great
[10:46] <apachelogger> debfx: uploaded too?
[10:47] <debfx> no, I'll upload it now
[10:47] <apachelogger> you are the awesomest
[10:47] <debfx> apachelogger: they replace the old kcm root path, right?
[10:47] <debfx> *patch
[10:47] <apachelogger> yes
[10:47] <debfx> ok
[10:48] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Yeah, I should but, I needed to finish these docs.
[10:48] <DarkwingDuck> the freeze is today.
[10:48] <apachelogger> oh my
[10:50] <DarkwingDuck> I finished them.
[10:50] <DarkwingDuck> I built a bunch of new validation scripts
[10:50] <DarkwingDuck> I build a fixed pot script
[10:51] <DarkwingDuck> and now I'm trying to get this to build...
[10:51] <DarkwingDuck> How the hell do I give the key for debuild?
[10:51] <apachelogger> -k
[10:51] <DarkwingDuck> -k key?
[10:52] <apachelogger> -k0x1243256 or -k"My Name"
[10:52] <DarkwingDuck> or just -k
[10:53] <apachelogger> hm
[10:53] <apachelogger> jon the taco polluted the userconfig pkg with debian-changes patches
[10:53] <apachelogger> eeew
[10:54] <DarkwingDuck> Hmmz...
[10:57] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: what do I change to get the package to reflect 10.10 and not 10.04?
[10:58] <apachelogger> what is the package? kubuntu-docs?
[10:58] <DarkwingDuck> Yes
[10:59] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: in debian/changelog make sure your entry has the version 11.10ubuntu1 as version and oneiric in the field next to it
[11:00] <apachelogger> kubuntu-docs (11.10ubuntu1) oneiric; urgency=low
[11:00] <apachelogger> like that
[11:00] <DarkwingDuck> awesome. Thanks.
[11:01] <DarkwingDuck> dch -i kubuntu-docs (11.10ubuntu1) oneiric; urgency=low ?
[11:01] <DarkwingDuck> Sorry for the dumb question... learning
[11:01] <apachelogger> dch -v 11.10ubuntu1 -D oneiric
[11:02] <DarkwingDuck> AHHHHH!
[11:02] <apachelogger> if you do not define oneiric it shoudl default to UNRELEASED
[11:02] <DarkwingDuck> Thanks
[11:02] <apachelogger> which will prevent you from uploading, so you'd usually run it without the -D as UNRELEASED prevents you form "accidental" uploads ^^
[11:03] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: also mind that you should use SERIESubuntuREVISION as version, unlike what rich did
[11:03] <apachelogger> that way you can run dch -i after the first revision
[11:03] <DarkwingDuck> Will do. :D
[11:03] <DarkwingDuck> Right.
[11:03] <apachelogger> and it will *correctly* increment
[11:03] <apachelogger> whereas with 11.04.1 it will increment to 11.04.1ubuntu1
[11:04] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah... that sucks
[11:05] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: This is my first time :D
[11:05] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I have it built.
[11:05] <DarkwingDuck> where do I upload for translation?
[11:05] <DarkwingDuck> where/how
[11:05] <apachelogger> I believe yo ujust need to uploaded
[11:06] <apachelogger> dpm:  will know ^
[11:06] <DarkwingDuck> How does that work?
[11:06] <DarkwingDuck> like, how do you upload? :)
[11:06] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: You'll love my xml to pot script :D http://paste.kde.org/121525/
[11:07] <apachelogger> you need a sponsor for the upload
[11:07] <apachelogger> as you are not a dev you cannot upload yoruself
[11:07] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: Oo
[11:07] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: dude, like you could totally have made a 4 line loop out of that :O
[11:07]  * apachelogger is scared away
[11:07] <dpm> apachelogger, DarkwingDuck, on the phone, let me come back to you in a minute
[11:08] <DarkwingDuck> dpm: awesome!
[11:08] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: That's what happens when you unleash me on scripts on zero sleep. :D
[11:08] <DarkwingDuck> nixternals scripts were broken.
[11:09] <apachelogger> even my qml from late in the night is better than that :P
[11:09] <apachelogger> unreadable though
[11:09] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[11:09] <DarkwingDuck> So, how would you do it? :P:P
[11:09] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/689903/
[11:09] <DarkwingDuck> I'm NOT good at bash scripts at all
[11:09] <DarkwingDuck> XD
[11:12] <apachelogger> so... that intially gets an array of ical events, then it creates an array with 7 entries (to contain the events per-day) then it iters over all those 7 entries and fills them with each an array (i.e. [[],[],[]...] is the models afterwards) at the same time it creates another array and fills it with 7 entries that contain the pages to display the vents per weekday
[11:13] <apachelogger> then it iters over all entires in the original array, and checks which day they belong to and pushes each into the appropriate sub-array 
[11:14] <apachelogger> then it sets the appropriate array of events as model on their pages and if the model is not empty it creates a button to access that page
[11:14]  * apachelogger is so meta, he even meta described the meta code there
[11:16] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[11:32]  * DarkwingDuck rubs eyes
[11:33] <apachelogger> kubotu: order coffee for DarkwingDuck
[11:33]  * kubotu slides coffee with milk down the bar to DarkwingDuck.
[11:33] <DarkwingDuck> Thank you kubotu 
[11:33] <DarkwingDuck> Anyway, to upload to ubuntu... how does that work apachelogger?
[11:34] <apachelogger> you give a developer your source package
[11:34] <apachelogger> tell him to uplaod or else...
[11:34] <DarkwingDuck> what's your email addy apachelogger?
[11:34] <DarkwingDuck> :P:P
[11:35]  * apachelogger is coding
[11:35] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: ping XD
[11:36] <Riddell> hi DarkwingDuck
[11:37] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: care to upload a package for me?
[11:37] <Riddell> sure
[11:37] <DarkwingDuck> jr@ubuntu?
[11:37] <Riddell> jriddell@ubuntu
[11:38] <DarkwingDuck> just the tar.gz or do you need the .dsc too?
[11:46] <jussi> he needs your SOUL... bwahahaha... :P
[11:47] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[11:48] <DarkwingDuck> WTF!?
[11:48]  * DarkwingDuck sighs
[11:48]  * DarkwingDuck kicks nixternal again
[12:00] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: building locally to check it out
[12:01] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Sorry I didn't sned both of them the first time. :)
[12:01] <DarkwingDuck> Let me know how I did. :D
[12:01] <DarkwingDuck> My first package
[12:01] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[12:07] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: did it build?
[12:21]  * jussi high 5's DarkwingDuck
[12:21] <DarkwingDuck> Justing waiting for it to be uploaded, email the translators and then I can go to bed.
[12:21] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[12:22] <DarkwingDuck> then I have till they are done to finish the script for turning pot files into xml files again.
[12:28] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: yes
[12:28] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Cool!
[12:31] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: docs are done.
[12:31] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: I built it and just waiting for them to get uploaded.
[12:32] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: uploaded, congratulations on your elite packaging skills
[12:35] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: yeah, not quite elite yet... but, it's a start :)
[12:39] <DarkwingDuck> Yay! the version is finally right. thanks apachelogger
[12:40] <DarkwingDuck> https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs/+packages if you don't know what I'm talking about :D
[12:41] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, sleepy time. Thanks Riddell and I'll only bug you one more time for an upload this series :D
[12:42] <Riddell> you haven't been to sleep?  give your head on the pillow man
[12:43] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Today is the Doc freeze. Needed to finish this up.
[12:43] <DarkwingDuck> It's only 5:45a
[12:43] <Riddell> your dedication to the cause is appreciated :)
[12:44] <DarkwingDuck> I need to write better scripts. :)
[12:44] <DarkwingDuck> But, that can wait.
[12:44] <DarkwingDuck> dpm: package uploaded ready for translation mate.
[12:45] <DarkwingDuck> aaaaaand on that note, I'm off to bed. Night guys
[12:45] <dpm> DarkwingDuck, thanks
[12:45] <DarkwingDuck> dpm: actually on time for once :D
[12:45] <dpm> excellent :)
[12:46] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell, apachelogger thank you both for your help
[12:48] <dpm> DarkwingDuck, if you've got the chance tomorrow, it'd also be great if you could have a quick look at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/kubuntu-docs and tell us if there is any obsolete template we should disable from there
[12:48] <bulldog98_work> dpm: until when do I have to translate it to get it included?
[12:49] <dpm> bulldog98_work, until the NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline milestone on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[12:49] <bulldog98_work> so I havetime until next week
[12:50] <dpm> that's rather in 2 weeks time
[12:50] <DarkwingDuck> dpm: welcome-desktop, netbook, about-desktop, about-kubuntu are obsolete and about has been added.
[12:51]  * bulldog98_work has time next week and needs to get accepted as German translator to approve that
[12:53] <dpm> DarkwingDuck, disabled, thanks.
[12:53] <DarkwingDuck> dpm: anything else you need from me?
[12:54] <dpm> DarkwingDuck, that's all I think. If you could just have a look from time to time on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/kubuntu-docs/+imports to see that the translations appear there and have been imported, that'd be great
[12:54] <dpm> just to make sure they are imported fine
[12:54] <DarkwingDuck> dpm: Awesome. Will do. Thanks!
[12:54] <dpm> DarkwingDuck, no worries, thank _you_! :-)
[12:54] <DarkwingDuck> :D Now that I know what I'm doing fully, it'll be like this every cycle. :D
[12:55] <dpm> awesome :)
[13:07] <apachelogger> maco: could you pretty please merge the commit for bug 743062
[13:07] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: you are still not in bed? :O
[13:09] <bambee> DarkwingDuck: what time is it at your home ?
[13:10] <CIA-130> [userconfig] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110915131042-65xq2rnoxorh5ggd * debian/ (3 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[13:10] <CIA-130> Change x-kde-rootonly in the desktop file to x-kde-substitudeuid, former was
[13:10] <CIA-130> only supported by a patch in workspace which is now implemented upstream but
[13:11] <apachelogger> bambee: whatever happend to your cpp rewrite?
[13:11] <apachelogger> or was that someone else?
[13:18] <bambee> apachelogger: It works but it's not usable yet (and not finish yet). Dude, I've too much things to do v_v (phonon, kdelibs, davros, kubuntu)... I will fork myself... I think...
[13:19] <apachelogger> same here
[13:19] <apachelogger> bambee: is the code on kdegit yet?
[13:19]  * bambee has been forked
[13:22] <davmor2> if bambee has been forked is that not cloning?
[13:26]  * bulldog98_work thinks bambee should save his brain contens in an other persion, so does not need to fork himself :P
[13:26] <bulldog98_work> s/persion/person/
[13:26] <kubotu> bulldog98_work meant: "thinks bambee should save his brain contens in an other person, so does not need to fork himself :P"
[14:13] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/uds-qml2.mp4
[14:39] <bambee> bulldog98_work: if I fork myself my brain contents won't be reduced, but cloned. My productivity will be improved and I will fix the bad code wrote by apachelogger  more efficiently :P
[14:40] <bambee> bulldog98_work: Shhh, he does not know it yet :P
[14:41] <bulldog98_> apachelogger: add kgethotnew stuff support and we can also use it for akademy or desktopsummit
[14:42] <bulldog98_> bambee: as log as it works and is bug free no prob (and feature complete)
[14:45] <bulldog98_> mgraesslin: hi the patch you posted to packagers is awesome :)
[14:45] <bambee> mgraesslin++
[14:45] <bambee> ;)
[14:45] <bulldog98_> ~karma mgraesslin
[14:45] <kubotu> karma for mgraesslin: 4
[14:46] <mgraesslin> glad that distributions welcome it :-)
[14:46] <bulldog98_> mgraesslin++
[14:46] <bulldog98_> ~karma mgraesslin
[14:46] <kubotu> karma for mgraesslin: 5
[14:46] <bulldog98_> apachelogger: has someone uploaded the new kde-runtime yet?
[14:49] <apachelogger> not that I know of
[14:50] <apachelogger> take a look at the old lunchpad
[14:50] <bambee> apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~bambi/+junk/kcm-userconfig
[14:50] <apachelogger> bulldog98: screw kghns, I will make a company for that
[14:50] <bambee> actually it works in read-only
[14:51] <apachelogger> ConfMachine Inc.
[14:51] <apachelogger> bambee: why no write?
[14:51] <bambee> not finished yet and the code must be cleaned
[14:51] <bambee> apachelogger: it's not finished yet
[14:51]  * apachelogger is good at cleaning code
[14:51] <bulldog98> apachelogger: isn’t frank already making money with that?
[14:53] <bulldog98> ryanakca: is there also a forum theme in planning (work?) we, the germanspeaking Loco, would need a new one?
[14:56] <apachelogger> bulldog98: not with providing apps and configs for conference organization
[14:57] <bulldog98> apachelogger: as long everything is based on kubuntu and you pay at least an other kubuntu member it’s ok :P
[14:58] <apachelogger> nope
[14:58] <apachelogger> all android
[14:59] <apachelogger> ScottK: I am not getting any branding bug 377220
[14:59] <apachelogger> :'(
[15:00] <bulldog98> apachelogger: we should think about switching to calligra
[15:02] <bulldog98> apachelogger: what about assinging that to libreoffice :)
[15:06] <apachelogger> bulldog98: you are awesome, plz move to libreoffice ^^
[15:06] <apachelogger> bulldog98: also I already told scott that we should kill koffice with fire
[15:53] <ryanakca> bulldog98: We've never handled forum themes on the grounds that there were no officially affiliated Kubuntu forums. Feel free to contribute one though :)
[15:55] <bulldog98> ryanakca: hm we need a theme for our new forum (we switch forum engine) hoped we could build upon something
[15:56] <ryanakca> bulldog98: You can base it off the new wiki theme, just a second, I'll get you the LP branch
[15:57] <maco> apachelogger: ok
[15:57] <ryanakca> bulldog98: lp:~kubuntu-website/kubuntu-website/kubuntu-light-wiki-theme
[15:57] <bulldog98> ok thanks
[15:57] <ryanakca> bulldog98: Looks like http://wiki.ryanak.ca/kubuntu/LanguageSetup , I'm told our next drupal theme will be based off of it.
[15:58]  * bulldog98 needs to get that done next week
[16:03] <maco> apachelogger: merged
[16:06] <debfx> ScottK: do I need some kind of freeze exception to hide useless checkboxes in the polkit-kde dialog?
[16:06] <apachelogger> maco: domo arigatou :)
[16:08] <maco> apachelogger: i didnt test it since i dont have a clue how to rebuild an iso so i hope it works :P
[16:08] <maco> or at least that it doesnt break anything
[16:08] <apachelogger> it worked when I created it
[16:09] <apachelogger> btw IIRC you do not need to rebuild the ISO to test ubiquity
[16:09] <apachelogger> there is some way to do dry run testing
[16:09] <apachelogger> or at least that is what I remember
[16:09] <apachelogger> maybe I created my own dry run ^^
[16:11] <maco> scp all the pythons :P
[16:12] <maco> ive tested python (not .ui) changes by just modifying them live
[16:12] <maco> but i dont think you can do that with .ui files
[16:16] <apachelogger> actually you can, you just have to restart ubiquity
[16:16] <apachelogger> IIRC the ubiquity python code compiles the UIs at runtime
[16:17] <apachelogger> (which BTW I find a very bad idea for speed in the final product)
[16:21] <bulldog98> debfx: as long as you don’t any new strings no
[16:24] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: do we need any patches ontop of 4.7 when using raster as default?
[16:24] <apachelogger> debfx: we should likely switch to raster at build time rather than env var?
[16:24]  * mgraesslin doesn't know of any required patches
[16:24] <apachelogger> kthx
[16:27] <bulldog98> apachelogger: could you reopen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/377220 for libreoffice
[16:29] <apachelogger> if rekonq wouldnt forget my cookies all the time
[16:42] <ScottK> debfx: You do, but all you need is an ack from DarkwingDuck, valorie, or jjesse that it either doesn't affect kubuntu-docs or they're fine with redoing the screenshot.
[16:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: Someone needs to package and upload the calligra beta then.
[16:43] <ScottK> (if you want to kill koffice with fire)
[16:43] <ScottK> And we still have digikam unfixed too
[16:44] <bulldog98> ScottK: and we would need digikam 2.1.1
[16:44] <debfx> apachelogger: yes, if we haven't received any bug reports about raster
[16:45] <ScottK> bulldog98: Yes, although I'd settle for 2.0.  We're still on 1.9, so something < 1.9.
[16:45] <bulldog98> ScottK: maybe we could provide that in experimental or something like that
[16:46] <ScottK> If someone can give a sane package, I'll approve an FFe for it.
[16:47] <bulldog98> ScottK: yofel_ already package 2.0 (but it needs a MIR)
[16:47] <ScottK> What bug for the MIR?
[16:47] <apachelogger> debfx: I didn't see any
[16:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: how is raster on plasma netbook?
[16:48] <ScottK> apachelogger: Is that our default now?
[16:48] <apachelogger> has been active the entire cycle
[16:48] <apachelogger> via xsession export
[16:48] <apachelogger> ScottK: echo $QT_GRAPHICS_SYSTEM
[16:49] <apachelogger> eh
[16:49] <apachelogger> echo $QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM
[16:49] <apachelogger> should say raster
[16:49] <ScottK> Then it's fine.
[16:49] <ScottK> (don't have the netbook handy at the moment)
[16:51] <bulldog98> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/324523
[16:51] <bulldog98> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam/+bug/834190
[16:54] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: don't they have 2.1.1 out now?
[16:55] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: they have. You or yofel_ could package it, or me tomorrow
[16:55]  * bulldog98 must had off till later
[16:55] <shadeslayer> yeah, i can give it a shot
[16:57] <ScottK> bulldog98: At this point getting the opencv MIR in is too late, so we need to figure out how to make digikam work without it.
[16:58] <ScottK> So 2.0 or 2.1.1, either one needs that done.
[17:15] <allee> ScottK, shadeslayer: grep -R opencv/  shows that it's usedin libkface and removeredyes.  And running cmake without libcv*dev installed fails: OpenCV required but some headers or libs not found. 
[17:16] <allee> digikam without libkface and redeyered is not worth much, isn't it?
[17:16] <ScottK> So it'll take some surgery.
[17:16] <ScottK> We've never had the redeye reduction support for this exact reason.
[17:16] <ScottK> That's not new.
[17:25] <allee> ScottK: uh, so IMHO: digikam -> universe 
[17:25] <ScottK> allee: It's on the DVD and has been ~forever. Is there no way to work around it?
[17:35] <debfx> DarkwingDuck: could you please check if we have a screenshot of the polkit authorization dialog in the docs and comment on bug #851090?
[17:36] <ScottK> debfx and apachelogger: What do you think: Drop digikam from the DVD (Universe) so we can update to 2.1.1 and have redeye reduction?
[17:37] <ScottK> I guess it's better than staying with 1.9?
[17:37] <debfx> DarkwingDuck: the dialog is for example shown when you change the Login Screen settings
[17:37] <debfx> ScottK: I wouldn't worry too much about dropping stuff from the DVD
[17:38] <ScottK> OK.
[17:38] <ScottK> Unless apachelogger objects soon, I'll take allee's advice.
[17:40] <allee> not perfect but best for the users of digikam IMHO
[17:41] <shadeslayer> i think thats a acceptable solution
[17:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: off with its head!
[17:42] <shadeslayer> the other solution would be to put it in a PPA, but i'd rather not do that
[17:42] <ScottK> OK.
[17:42] <apachelogger> the difference between having it on the DVD and only universe is not particularly big
[17:42] <apachelogger> most users install from CD anyway
[17:42] <apachelogger> only kent beck knows why
[17:43] <shadeslayer> i don't see why we even have DVD builds :P
[17:43] <allee> debfx: kauth dialog also show a popup(?) menu when more than one user is in the admin group.  But it neither remembers your last choice or  preselect you if you are in the admin group
[17:44] <apachelogger> kauth is made out of UX fail
[17:45] <allee> apachelogger: and there are heros like debfx, that fight against the failure
[17:46] <shadeslayer> i thought agateau fought against UX failure
[17:47] <apachelogger> doesnt everyone
[17:47] <allee> shadeslayer: I wrote heros
[17:47] <allee> note the s :)
[17:47] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[17:47] <apachelogger> and then there is qt quick which supports it thanks to broken elements
[18:33] <sheytan> apachelogger: got a cool idea of that thing you were asking lately ;)
[18:34] <sheytan> even without any new  artwork needed
[18:34] <apachelogger> do you also have a cool idea for a UDS mobile app? ^^
[18:34] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/uds-qml.mp4
[18:34] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/uds-qml2.mp4
[18:36] <sheytan> not really, but i'm looking for someone to build libkfacebook for me (natty x64) :D
[18:36]  * sheytan wonders why it's not default?!
[18:36]  * apachelogger does not even know what it is
[18:36] <sheytan> apachelogger: akonadi resource for facebook calendar and contacts ;)
[18:37] <apachelogger> eek, more akonadi
[18:38] <sheytan> https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/pim/akonadi-facebook/repository
[18:38] <sheytan> if someone would be so nice :D
[18:40]  * apachelogger thinks bambee would be perfect for this
[18:40] <sheytan> would be awesome :)
[18:41] <sheytan> btw, this would be cool to like have in default kubuntu install ;D
[18:42] <apachelogger> sure, if it had sane UX
[18:43] <sheytan> apachelogger: UX?
[18:44] <apachelogger> us0r experience
[18:45] <sheytan> apachelogger: what's not good in it?
[18:45] <apachelogger> it does not have one :P
[18:46] <sheytan> it shows all the stuff in kontact, so what's the problem? :P
[18:46] <apachelogger> exactly that is the problem
[18:47] <sheytan> where else it should show that data?
[18:48] <apachelogger> something more usable than kontact anyway
[18:48] <sheytan> ah
[18:48] <sheytan> that's the problem here
[18:48] <sheytan> give them time ;)
[18:48] <sheytan> it's pretty stable right now
[18:48] <sheytan> i mean
[18:48] <sheytan> it doesn't crash at least for me
[18:48] <sheytan> and  i have it from kubuntu experimental repo
[19:06] <ScottK> micahg: Is there any way to get a reload button to click on in FF?  Having it in the right-click menu is very inconvenient.  I'm exploring switching back to FF from Chromium and that's one of the two most annoying things (the other is the lack of a duplicate option when opening new tabs)
[19:08] <apachelogger> hm
[19:08] <apachelogger> why do we not have qtmobility 1.2?
[19:10] <debfx> ScottK: the reload button is in the address bar
[19:10] <ScottK> debfx: No.
[19:10] <ScottK> Wait
[19:10] <ScottK> It is.
[19:10] <debfx> it is when you have loaded a page
[19:10] <ScottK> I see it now.  Thanks.
[19:11] <bambee> apachelogger: what ? what ?
[19:11] <debfx> you can also drag'n' drop it to the left
[19:11]  * bambee reads the log
[19:13] <micahg> ScottK: it should be next to the URL bar on the right side
[19:15]  * bambee adds akonadi-facebook to his todolist
[19:17] <ScottK> micahg: It was (as debfx also told me).  It was just too small for me to notice.
[19:17] <ScottK> Thanks.
[19:17] <micahg> ScottK: I seem to have a problem with backscroll lately, so I miss these things :)
[19:19] <ScottK> No problem.  Thanks for answering.
[19:27] <micahg> ScottK: and I regret to inform you that I won't be able to get to kdesdk before the freeze, will try to get it over the weekend though
[19:27] <ScottK> micahg: Thanks.
[19:51] <DarkwingDuck> morning
[19:52] <apachelogger> yoyo
[19:52] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: thanks for the help last night.
[19:52] <apachelogger> I helped?
[19:52] <DarkwingDuck> With the building.
[19:52]  * apachelogger had the impression DarkwingDuck did all the work :)
[19:52] <DarkwingDuck> Now I know how to build the docs
[19:53] <debfx> ScottK: is it ok to upload the no-change rebuilds even after the beta freeze?
[19:53] <apachelogger> now you should write docs about that
[19:53] <DarkwingDuck> Now, to fix my hack-n-slash job on the scripts
[19:53] <apachelogger> ^^
[19:55] <DarkwingDuck> and build a script for turning the pot files back into xml
[19:55] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/uds-qml3.mp4
[19:56] <apachelogger> mapsmapsmaps
[19:57] <debfx> DarkwingDuck: have you seen my message about the polkit-kde authorization dialog?
[19:58] <DarkwingDuck> debfx: I just saw it. Checking now.
[19:59] <debfx> ah, we still have an hour before beta freeze :)
[19:59] <debfx> thanks
[20:02] <DarkwingDuck> debfx: No screenshots. :)
[20:02] <DarkwingDuck> You're safe.
[20:03] <DarkwingDuck> debfx: you still need me to comment on the bug?
[20:03] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: morning mate. :)
[20:03] <debfx> DarkwingDuck: yeah that would be good
[20:04] <debfx> ScottK: could you approve bug #851090
[20:05] <DarkwingDuck> debfx: commented.
[20:07] <DarkwingDuck> bambee: when you asked what time it was... it was 6a
[20:07] <bambee> o.O
[20:08] <DarkwingDuck> Aye. :)
[20:08] <DarkwingDuck> But, the docs got to the translators at the freeze. :D
[20:09]  * bambee thinks DarkwingDuck was probably drunk to work on documentation at 6a
[20:09] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[20:10] <DarkwingDuck> bambee: You want to see how bad it was last night? Other then my announcement email called Oneiric 10.10 but, this was my script I slashed together. http://paste.kde.org/121525/
[20:11] <ScottK> debfx: Done
[20:12] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: Don't kill me on that script. I'm re-writing it.
[20:12]  * ScottK thinks DarkwingDuck overestimates how much he cares ...
[20:13] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[20:13] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: Have you looked at it?
[20:14] <debfx> apachelogger: could you please sponsor https://launchpadlibrarian.net/80002997/polkit-kde-1_0.99.0-3ubuntu1.debdiff
[20:14] <DarkwingDuck> :P:P
[20:14] <ScottK> I've done worse.
[20:14] <debfx> somehow the package vanished from our packageset
[20:14] <apachelogger> debfx: if you annoy someone about the packageset stuff
[20:14] <ScottK> Although I don't think I ever put the full FSF copyright/license header on worse.
[20:15] <DarkwingDuck> LOL 
[20:16] <apachelogger> WTF ftw
[20:17] <debfx> apachelogger: I've already mailed cjwatson
[20:18] <debfx> but he doesn't seem to be very responsive
[20:18] <apachelogger> maybe he does it like apachelogger and doesnt read no mails not at all 
[20:20] <bambee> DarkwingDuck: woo!
[20:24] <ScottK> Whoever is looking at Digikam should look at Debian Bug #628019
[20:24] <ScottK> It's also got updates for 2.1.1
[20:35]  * debfx starts upload the rebuilds semi-automatically and hopes our branches are up-to-date
[20:52] <BarkingFish> guys, quick question.  I'm in the process of setting up my build layout and the next things would be my gpg key and ssh key.  They already exist, but I don't have them on my pc - can I regenerate them or do I have to change them both?
[20:52] <BarkingFish> as in, can i recover the keys I already have from launchpad and incorporate them, or do I have to make new ones?
[20:53] <apachelogger> new ones
[20:53] <apachelogger> launchpad only has public keys
[20:53] <apachelogger> otherwise the key concept would not work very much :)
[20:56] <DarkwingDuck> Now, why didn't I do this last night??????
[20:57] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: So, this is the new script... http://paste.kde.org/121987/
[20:57] <apachelogger> muchos better
[20:58] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[20:59] <BarkingFish> damn, thanks apachelogger 
[20:59] <BarkingFish> means I gotta re-sign the code of conduct and make a whole new set of keys.
[21:00] <ScottK> And make a backup copy of your private key and store it somewhere safe.
[21:01]  * apachelogger has his keys implanted in his chest
[21:02] <ScottK> That explains the curvature then.
[21:02] <apachelogger> yep
[21:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: order cocktail
[21:04]  * kubotu tells apachelogger to choose either 'bloody mary', 'cuba libre', 'grüne witwe', 'long island iced tea', 'mai tai' or 'sex on the beach' (with apachelogger that is).
[21:04] <apachelogger> uhhh
[21:04] <debfx> ScottK: so can I continue to upload the rebuilds post beta freeze without the release team chasing me?
[21:04] <apachelogger> kubotu: order mai tai
[21:04]  * kubotu shakes 3cl white rum, 1.5 cl orange curaçao, 1.5 cl Orgeat syrup and 1 cl fresh lime juice, strains it into a glass and floats 3 cl dark rum onto the top, and slides the cocktail down the bar to apachelogger. Voilà, your Mai Tai :)
[21:04] <ScottK> debfx: yes.  I'll just have to manually accept them.
[21:04] <ScottK> Sooner the better though as it'll break image builds until when things are out of sync.
[21:05] <BarkingFish> apachelogger, That looks nice. I'll order one too :)
[21:05] <BarkingFish> kubotu, order cocktail
[21:05]  * kubotu tells BarkingFish to choose either 'bloody mary', 'cuba libre', 'grüne witwe', 'long island iced tea', 'mai tai' or 'sex on the beach' (with apachelogger that is).
[21:05] <BarkingFish> kubotu: order grüne witwe
[21:05]  * kubotu mixes 4 cl Blue Curaçao and 12 cl orange juice in a glass over ice, stirs it, garnishes with a organge juice and slides the cocktail down the bar to BarkingFish. Voilà, your Grüne Witwe (stupid german names :P)
[21:06] <apachelogger> kubotu: stop mocking german words, you silly bot
[21:06] <BarkingFish> ah, the green widow... 
[21:06]  * BarkingFish prefers the green fairy :)
[21:07]  * apachelogger waves fist
[21:07] <apachelogger> fairies
[21:08] <claydoh_> Ok I have to see.....
[21:08] <claydoh_> kubotu, order sex on the beach
[21:08]  * kubotu builds 4.0 cl Vodka, 2.0 cl Peach Schnapps, 4.0 cl Orange juice and 4.0 cl Cranberry juice in a highball glass filled with ice, garnishes it with orange slices and slides the cocktail together with apachelogger down the bar to claydoh_. Voilà, your Sex on the Beach (with apachelogger) :)
[21:08] <apachelogger> oh great, work -.-
[21:08] <claydoh> do you pour it for me too?
[21:09] <claydoh> good thing i don't drink a lot
[21:10] <BarkingFish> apachelogger, the green fairy, a more affectionate name of absinthe, which can send you absolutely gaga if you drink enough :)
[21:10] <BarkingFish> contains distilled wormwood oil, which causes blindness, madness and in some cases, death :)
[21:10] <apachelogger> madness
[21:10] <apachelogger> I think I had too many fairies in my life already
[21:11] <BarkingFish> yes, madness. I'm talking proper "cuckoo 42 banana haha horses are in the kettle" type madness
[21:12] <ScottK> digikam is in Universe now, so someone can upload any time.
[21:12] <claydoh> someone should feed some absynthe to Kmail2, it might sort it out
[21:13] <apachelogger> someone could write me a letter
[21:13] <BarkingFish> D. 
[21:13]  * claydoh may actually move to tbird. I ahve used kmail almost exclusively for about 10 years now
[21:13] <BarkingFish> There you go :P
[21:13] <apachelogger> someone could move to muttttttttt
[21:13] <claydoh> hrmpf
[21:15] <claydoh> actually kmal2 is simply too annoying, a drunk, mad kmail2 would so much less fun
[21:15] <apachelogger> booze parteee
[21:16] <apachelogger> if the mountain will not come to mohamet, mohamet must go to the mountain
[21:16] <apachelogger> or for those of us who already are on the way... since kmail2 behaves like a drunken squirrel, we should also do that
[21:17] <apachelogger> leveling the playing field I suppose one calls this
[21:29] <debfx> could someone else rebuild the kde packages that are not part of the kde sc?
[21:30] <apachelogger> debfx: rebuild for what?
[21:30] <debfx> apachelogger: desktop file translations
[21:31] <apachelogger> which kde packages are there that are not in the great and mighty package set though?
[21:34] <debfx> apachelogger: it's not about upload permissions but distributing the workload
[21:34] <apachelogger> ah
[21:34] <apachelogger> I am falling asleep
[21:34] <apachelogger> could do tomorrow
[21:34] <apachelogger> I suppose
[21:34] <apachelogger> evening my schedule says
[21:38] <BarkingFish> YAY!
[21:39] <BarkingFish> I'm all done.  New gpg, new ssh key, code of conduct signed (again) and I'm back up and rolling.
[21:39] <BarkingFish> about bl**dy time too :)
[21:40] <BarkingFish> I just have to see whether I have the new or the old version of pull-lp-source now :)
[21:40] <BarkingFish> oh crud. I have the old version :)
[21:46] <ScottK> debfx: I just accepted a stack of your uploads.
[21:46] <DarkwingDuck> hmmz, anyone on the translation team in here?
[21:53] <BarkingFish> DarkwingDuck, I'm not, but I wish I was :)
[22:02] <BarkingFish> ScottK, I'm back in business.  Everything is live again.
[22:02] <ScottK> Cool.
[22:03] <BarkingFish> bazaar's done, pbuilder-dist is set up, got the new version of pull-*-source, the lot.
[22:03] <ScottK> I think bug triage is probably where it's at right now.
[22:03] <BarkingFish> yeah, and I'm not great at that as you saw the other day :)
[22:03] <ScottK> Are you subscribed to the ubuntu-devel and kubuntu-devel mail lists?
[22:03] <ScottK> I think you just got unlucky.
[22:03] <BarkingFish> no, not yet
[22:04] <ScottK> You should do that.  ubuntu-devel-announce too.
[22:04] <BarkingFish> ScottK, I can't read backtraces, stacks or anything like that. I fix 'em when I find 'em, I just don't know *how* to find the problems in the first place :)
[22:05] <BarkingFish> how do I subscribe to the mailing lists?
[22:05] <ScottK> BarkingFish: OK.https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
[22:05] <ScottK> Same pattern for the others.
[22:06] <BarkingFish> righty ho
[22:06] <ScottK> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-September/034086.html is where we are on boost1.42.  None of them build without changes, so feel free to have a stab at them.
[22:06] <ScottK> (check on LP and see if anyone has already fixed them before you spend time on it)
[22:08] <BarkingFish> all 3 subscribed, just waiting on the confirmation emails
[22:31] <DarkwingDuck> sheytan: ping
[23:01] <debfx> apachelogger: how are we going to manage desktop file translations for projects we are upstream? :)
[23:01] <debfx> like the firefox installer
[23:01] <apachelogger> need to stay
[23:01] <apachelogger> at least for the time being
[23:02] <BarkingFish> right guys, i'm off to my pit for the night.  See ya this evening :)
[23:03] <debfx> yeah, but how?
[23:07] <apachelogger> debfx: too tired to think about that... but do we not have the desktop file key in there by default already?
[23:07] <yofel> debfx: in case you didn't find it yet: http://yofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/bzrstat/
[23:07] <apachelogger> I think userconfig had it
[23:07] <apachelogger> then again I looked at that file more than 6 hours ago so I would not remember
[23:08] <yofel> shadeslayer, bulldog98: feel free to take a shot on digikam 2.1.1 - the packaging for 2.0.0 is in bzr and I won't do a thing before sunday
[23:08] <apachelogger> debfx, yofel: can we please put all them web stuff a) on a wiki page b) in a bzr branch c) transit them to ubuntuwire
[23:08] <debfx> firefox installer doesn't have it but that could be easily changed
[23:08] <yofel> apachelogger: I did link it on the ninjas page overview
[23:08] <apachelogger> make *one* page
[23:08] <apachelogger> put all the external resources there
[23:09] <apachelogger> and then implement b and c :P
[23:09]  * apachelogger gets grumpy from bad knowlede management
[23:09] <debfx> but that's only a short-term solution as launchpad won't pick up new strings
[23:09] <yofel> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/ *is* one page
[23:09] <debfx> yofel: thanks
[23:11] <debfx> apachelogger: yes but I need to rewrite parts of the script first
[23:11] <apachelogger> debfx: why?
[23:11] <debfx> how does one get access to ubuntuwire anyway?
[23:11] <apachelogger> can do that as well in a branch :)
[23:12] <apachelogger> debfx: talk to the ubuntuwire people I think there is #ubuntuwire
[23:12] <yofel> as for my page, it's implemented in bash + cron job, now sure how you get *that* on ubuntuwire
[23:12] <debfx> the code is too embarrassing :P 
[23:12] <yofel> at least there's probably a better way to implement it
[23:12] <yofel> more like I hope there definitely is one ^^
[23:13] <apachelogger> debfx: cant be worse than what DarkwingDuck came up with yesterday :P
[23:14] <apachelogger> yofel: surely there is a way
[23:29] <debfx> yofel: have you tested the kdirwatch patch in kde4libs?
[23:29] <yofel> not specifically, wasn't on my PC the last 2 days until now
[23:35] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[23:36] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: at least I fixed it :P:P
[23:36] <DarkwingDuck> debfx: http://paste.kde.org/121525/
[23:37] <yofel> debfx: I think that one affects only distros that have 3.0 kernels, we should be fine with 3.0.0. Scott said it wouldn't hurt to have it though
[23:37] <yofel> (unless I missed something)
[23:38] <debfx> yofel: yeah I agree it would be nice to get it in
[23:39] <debfx> someone needs to test it though
[23:39] <debfx> at least that it still works fine with the oneiric kernel