Bluefish Editor - Web Development Editor

[00:00] http://i.imgur.com/YtM9Z.png <-- famous [00:08] pretty:) [00:08] I think I will toss a coin to pick my phone [00:09] claydoh: http://www.sylloge.com/5k/entries/162/ [00:09] much bettar [00:09] naw it has to be low-tech [00:10] plus i have to decide which is yes and which is no :) [00:10] just go "should I buy the phone x oh mighty universial decison maker?" [00:11] battery life and much better screen vs slightly better camera/flash and nicer feel to the case [00:12] battery life and screen tops everything IMHO [00:12] I think better screen and battery win, as I am outdoors a lot === fenris is now known as Guest90959 [01:09] for anyone who was looking at and/or editing the google doc associated with the upcoming release announcement, a google docs bug forced me to backup and recreate the document (i know how not to reproduce). So it's now located: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nQobLCdkgk5QZK3qgIIJ3X1J_rZXeZT5ZsYAsCXL8IU/edit?hl=en_US with full edit access. [01:18] I prolly ought to come up with a session or two [01:42] jjesse_: ping [01:42] valorie: ping === Guest90959 is now known as ejat [03:10] * DarkwingDuck sighs [03:23] DarkwingDuck: why so sad? [03:23] claydoh: People playing with the docs have not been filling out the work items. [03:24] So, I have to review almost all of them instead of what hasn't been done. [03:25] Can someone bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs and tell me the active revision? [04:05] DarkwingDuck: wouldn't "bzr revno lp:kubuntu-docs" tell you that? [04:05] I got my issues worked out. [04:34] DarkwingDuck: pong [04:34] sorry, I had guests [04:34] and freenode kicked me off anyway [04:41] valorie: awesome. I answered my own questions. [04:41] :D [04:41] valorie: You're not going to be in Orlando? :( [04:41] I forgot to apply [04:41] :( [04:42] thought I had a few more days [04:42] but I didn't [04:42] :( bugger [04:42] Okay, I'm going to be up for a while. [04:42] I have to figure out what all jjesse did on the docs. [04:42] I'm getting back to work on them in a sec [04:43] downloaded the checking thingie, and have been looking at the docs [04:43] I've found one broken image link [04:43] dunno what to do about it though [04:44] oops [04:44] /kubuntu/docs/audio/C/burning.html - no first image [04:49] valorie: did you finish Audio, bugs, CLI, Contact, contribute and basics? [04:52] valorie: ^^ [04:55] yes, but I just found a problem in bugs [04:55] which I will fix right now [04:55] Okay cool. [04:55] I got errors again last night [04:55] are they already pushed? [04:55] Yes [04:56] it doesn't like me uploading more than one file, i guess [04:56] This is what I've been complaining about people not updating https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-documentation-review [04:56] should I have different names for each thing or something? [04:56] I got it updated though [04:56] I updated that every time though! [04:56] maybe it didn't take my input? [04:56] it looked like it did...... [04:57] shi*, there are a lot of TODOs [04:57] ;( [04:57] Yeah, you have to click the green checkmark when you are finished. [04:57] Yeah, I brewed a fresh pot. [04:58] By tomorrow I'll update the POT files and build [04:58] THey hand off to translations. [04:58] s/THey/then/ [04:58] DarkwingDuck meant: "then hand off to translations." [05:01] can someone tell me what type of warning they get in konqueror with this website: https://www.aivd.nl [05:05] micahg: give me a sec [05:07] micahg: http://imm.io/9cAa [05:07] :(, that's what I want to see [05:08] Sorry [05:08] hmm, maybe it's just a 4.6/4.7 difference [05:08] I get that in maverick now [05:09] DarkwingDuck: thanks for the help [05:09] ScottK: I have the sslv2 issue in my todo. I think there's a better way to resolve the issue [05:09] micahg: I'm getting the error in Firefox as well. I can just ignore it in FF [05:10] DarkwingDuck: right, in QT, it's a straight blacklist, in Firefox the blacklist was conditional on when the cert was issued whether or not it could be ignored [05:11] Righto [05:11] fabo: OK. We're getting very close to the end here, so any suggestions you have I'd greatly appreciate. We probably only have about two or three more shots to upload Qt before release. [05:13] ScottK: YOu are not going to be able to make it to Orlando, correct? [05:13] It's very unlikely at this point. [05:19] :( [05:19] very sad [05:22] * micahg is saddened by that as well, who else am I going to stay up to 4 in the morning talking to :) [05:23] I'll be there :P [05:23] please say hi :) [05:27] Oh I will... We need to schedule a kubuntu picture meeting time. [05:27] I would say that I'll fly on my own dime, but it's RIGHT after the doc camp and mentor summit [05:27] so bad timing, even if I was sponsored [05:35] DarkwingDuck: I can no longer edit https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-documentation-review [05:35] is it locked, or what? [05:38] am gonna work on desktop [05:39] valorie: It shouldn't be... are you logged into LP? [05:39] yes [05:39] strange... [05:39] perhaps i should log out and in again? [05:39] I just requested merge for bugs [05:39] It should let you edit under the "Whiteboard" section [05:39] again [05:40] URL for the merge request? [05:40] oh, now it's letting me [05:40] https://code.launchpad.net/~valorie-zimmerman/kubuntu-docs/valorieEdits/+merge/75478 [05:46] valorie: revision 231 [05:46] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=231&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 231 | Coolo: removed the removed gif files [05:47] ubottu: you suck at life [05:47] DarkwingDuck: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [05:47] ubottu: I know I know. [05:47] DarkwingDuck: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [05:55] Anyone in here actually used Krita? [05:55] Like, is it stable enough to include in documentation? [05:56] WTF? [05:56] Krita requires KOffice? [05:57] It's part of koffice. [05:58] Interesting. [05:58] I had forgotten that. [05:58] How stable is it? [06:00] hey guys, morning [06:00] hey valorie [06:03] Morning [06:03] shadeslayer: You ever used Krita? [06:03] nope [06:14] hi shadeslayer [06:14] I saw it demoed at DS [06:15] looked pretty damn cool [06:15] Krita is a part of Calligra, as I recall [06:15] KDE should be providing the documentation [06:16] valorie: Google won't allow me to stay for the Mentor Summit, carols said it was a mentors only event :'( [06:17] right, mentors and admins [06:17] yeah [06:17] but you'll be there for doc camp, right? [06:17] yep [06:17] if i get the visa :P [06:17] cool [06:17] I'm looking forward to both [06:18] :D [06:18] but I'll bet it will be exhausting too [06:18] just have to figure out accomodation for the 22nd now [06:18] so I'm sort of glad that I'm not going to orlando [06:18] haha [06:18] but oh, I want to be there anyway [06:18] i just wish there was more time between [06:19] one week between CLS/OSCON and flying to Berlin was NOT enough [06:19] valorie: i found some awesome flights this time, they take only 18 hours [06:19] heh [06:19] 25 hours to Berlin [06:19] sec [06:20] maybe i should borrow apachelogger's spaceship this time [06:22] valorie: Doc Camp? [06:23] yes, the week before the Mentor's Summit [06:23] GSoC spinoff, I guess [06:23] it's the first time they've done it [06:24] shadeslayer: you took 25 hours to berlin? [06:24] I'm in the same team as shadeslayer - we'll be working on documenting how to get involved in KDE [06:24] shadeslayer: spaceships are for people from the past, we need a teleporter [06:24] Seattle is a looooong ways from Berlin [06:24] * micahg would be happy with a shuttlecraft [06:24] I did have a two hour or so layover in New Jersey [06:26] there is no more KDE Menu editor, am I correct? [06:26] because the Kickoff is now just a plasma widget, right? [06:27] nigelb: eh no, that would be valorie :P [06:27] oops, no [06:27] YOu guys have no imagination. Or forgot Star Trek. [06:27] I just want my own personal transporter :P [06:28] heh [06:28] spaceships are more cooler [06:29] but slower [06:29] so? [06:29] much more fun tho :P [06:29] instant gratification is more win :P [06:30] and if i understand teleportation correctly, the actual you is lost and a clone is received at the other end :P [06:30] Don't get philosphical with technology :P [06:31] hahaha [06:33] Uggh [06:34] oh yay for fun. all the things that are suposed to slide out from the panel slide from the top... fixes plskthxbai [06:36] jussi: learn C++, then Qt, then KDE, kthxbye! [06:36] and Python while you're at it :) [06:37] Yay! [06:37] Only 3 more docs [06:38] tsimpson: AWW, dont be mean :( [06:44] actually, learn C++, then Python. it's a lot easer once you know C++ and you won't fall into bad practices from learning an interpreted language first [06:44] ^^ true that [06:44] putting up desktop, DarkwingDuck [06:45] tsimpson: i usually prototype my classes in python and then convert it into C++ [06:45] https://code.launchpad.net/~valorie-zimmerman/kubuntu-docs/valorieEdits/+merge/75485 [06:46] uhm [06:46] give me a hint as to what you'd like me to work on next [06:47] valorie: i see diff markers [06:47] +>>>>>>> MERGE-SOURCE [06:47] what do you mean? [06:47] valorie: Yeah... [06:47] Toss that out and review all the docs. I went through and made a bunch of changes. [06:48] Look for three keys. [06:48] any spelling error. Any ref to KpackageKit and any ref to OpenOffice [06:49] what? [06:49] that was an hour of work [06:49] bleah [06:49] :/ [06:49] I made those changes :P:P [06:49] make sure you update your branch [06:49] I did [06:50] I've been following your doc guide religiously [06:50] revision 336? [06:50] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=336&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 336 | MRJ: Added new ported xlock screensavers from Emanuel Pirker [06:50] ubottu: I hate you [06:50] DarkwingDuck: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [06:50] I'm not sure what you are asking [06:50] Should have marked it on the Work Items [06:50] I did [06:51] and saved that [06:51] It wasn't... [06:51] :( [06:51] oh, well [06:51] ok, I'll go back to the review thing [06:51] :) [06:51] I'm just looking for ref to KPackageKit and OpenOffice [06:51] Those need to be shot. [06:51] Replaced with Muon and LibreOffice [06:52] I wanted it correct, and I made it correct [06:52] and if it's &menukpackagekit; it needs to be changed to &menusysmuon; [06:52] * DarkwingDuck hugs valorie [06:52] I'm sorry :( [06:56] * valorie goes and makes a gin and tonic [07:03] * DarkwingDuck yells at nixternal [07:19] I am so going to update these damn scripes [07:19] s/scripes/scripts/ [07:19] DarkwingDuck meant: "I am so going to update these damn scripts" [07:23] valorie: hows it coming? [07:24] delicious! [07:24] :D [07:25] Up for a lst minute review? [07:25] s/lst/last [07:25] sure [07:26] Like I said... Just look through for refs to KPackageKit and OpenOffice [07:26] tell me *exactly* what you want me to do [07:26] :D [07:26] I'm going to be re-writing these damn scripts [07:26] which ones? [07:28] The validation and pot generation scripts [07:29] I'm going to make it simplier to validate and make pot files. [07:30] cool [07:30] anyway, tell me exactly what to do and I'll do it [07:31] no more wasted work [07:31] You use Kate? [07:32] yes [07:33] if you can go into each xml file in the branch, click Ctrl+F and search each document for refrences to both OpenOffice and KpakcageKit [07:34] They should be changed to LibreOffice and Muon respectivly. [07:34] or how ever you spell it. [07:34] ok [07:41] [07:41] Bluefish Editor - Web Development Editor [07:41] Home page: [07:41] http://bluefish.openoffice.nl [07:41] in Development.xml [07:41] dunno what that is [07:42] and I didn't change it [07:44] fixing games.xml atm [07:44] that for bluefish, you can leave that one. [07:44] did [07:48] pushed games [07:50] and there is an error [07:50] dunno why the last one is still active -- you refused it [07:51] .......... hmmmz [07:53] and launchpad showed that [07:54] You pulled first right? [07:54] pulled? [07:54] update, status, commit, then push [07:57] I can paste you my changes if that helps [07:59] http://paste.kde.org/121495 [08:03] Thanks, gimme a sec [08:04] That's in games? [08:04] yes [08:04] search for kpackage and you'll find the paragraph [08:04] Okay, Thanks. :D [08:10] morning [08:12] Morning :) [08:13] graphics - fixing [08:15] pushing [08:17] s l o w Launchpad [08:19] oh good grief [08:21] oops, I hadn't entered my passphrase [08:21] lawd [08:22] another error [08:22] There is already a branch merge proposal registered for branch lp:~valorie-zimmerman/kubuntu-docs/valorieEdits to land on lp:kubuntu-docs that is still active. [08:22] no idea why [08:24] hang on. [08:24] Okay, give it a couple minutes then try again. [08:25] valorie: give it another shot. [08:26] proposed successfully [08:26] XD [08:28] fixing index.xml [08:28] hang on... [08:28] I gotta figure out why it is showing the diff markup [08:29] ok [08:30] Because, that will mess everything up. :( [08:31] On a brighter note... [08:32] there are really cool automated scripts for validation now. [08:35] Hey Riddell [08:35] ready to push when you're ready [08:36] try it again.l [08:38] the previous one? [08:39] done [08:39] hi DarkwingDuck [08:39] hey Riddell [08:39] are you coming to UDS? [08:40] valorie: I will if you will :) [08:40] argh! [08:40] I'd have to pay my own way [08:40] and i would, if it wasn't so darn close to the doc camp and mentor summit [08:41] god though, a few days on the river with darby...... [08:41] Riddell: can you look at this and figure out why it's showing the diff markup for valorie? https://code.launchpad.net/~valorie-zimmerman/kubuntu-docs/valorieEdits/+merge/75496 [08:41] that's heaven [08:42] DarkwingDuck: looks like it needs to pull from trunk and fix the conflicts [08:42] valorie: ^^^ [08:43] Riddell: I'm *finally* fixing the pot scripts for the docs [08:43] yay [08:43] but I do an update, status, commit, then push [08:43] every time [08:44] as the Documentation guide recommends [08:44] GARG [08:44] downloaded from trunk only a week or so ago [08:44] update == pull [08:45] and have done the update every time [08:45] * DarkwingDuck goes to fix his damn guide [08:45] I've been doing it wrong? [08:45] geeeeez [08:47] Riddell: how can I tell bzr commit to open an editor instead of guessing the commit message from the changelog? [08:47] BZR_DISABLE_PLUGINS=builddeb bzr commmit [08:48] debfx: ^^ [08:51] Riddell: thanks [08:52] * debfx creates an alias [09:03] valorie is going to give up on me. [09:03] apachelogger: did you import your fixes btw ? (for kde-workspace) I can do it, if you want... [09:04] I'll at least push the last changes I made [09:04] if that will help [09:04] I do need to sleep eventually [09:04] LOL [09:04] How far did you get? [09:06] I have index.xml ready to push [09:06] if you want it [09:07] Aye [09:07] do you have the last one yet, or what? [09:07] and how /when should I pull? [09:07] the Documentation doc hasn't changed [09:08] merge away [09:11] DarkwingDuck: http://community.kde.org/Getinvolved/documentation [09:12] another error [09:12] same as before [09:12] this sucks [09:12] DarkwingDuck: also http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/Get_a_SVN_Account and mention apachelogger :) [09:18] the entire index.xml is at http://paste.kde.org/121519/ if that is of use, DarkwingDuck [09:18] niters all [09:19] manage-software will need fixing [09:19] but I don't think I'm the person to do it [09:20] I'll finish it. thanks for EVERYTHING valorie [09:26] I'll check the rest [09:26] and report those which need changes [09:29] valorie: I've got it. [09:29] I've made most of the changes. [09:30] cool [09:30] valorie: whoa, it must probably be 3 AM for you [09:30] 2:30 [09:30] about average for me [09:31] oh .. alright, night :) [09:31] video mentions kpackagekit [09:32] so I've checked them all [09:33] Hrm, I have an idea - how about we provide a decent set of default headings and styles in libreoffice - not something that looks like it came out of the 90's... Is this possible? can I help define these? who do I need to contact to get this started? [09:33] yofel_: what's the url of your bzr branch overview page? [09:34] thanks valorie [09:34] Yay! [09:34] docs updated [09:35] now to test my new script for generating pot files. [09:37] :) [09:38] YAY! [09:38] It's crude as all get out but, it works! [09:38] ls [09:38] oops, wrong window [09:42] anyone in here work with translations? [09:46] Riddell: ping [09:47] hi DarkwingDuck [09:48] DarkwingDuck: dpm is the translations man ;) [09:48] hey Riddell, question about getting the docs to translation. [09:48] I have updated the pot files. [09:48] What else do I need to do to get them uploaded or whatever. :D [09:49] have the package uploaded to the ubuntu repository with the pot files updated [09:49] tell the translators to translate it [09:50] I need to build the package? [09:50] someone does [09:50] * DarkwingDuck mutters [09:50] I guess now is a good time to learn to build packages... [09:50] then before the release get the .po files and turn them into docbook and upload that [09:50] Righto [09:50] http://paste.kde.org/121525/ my xml to pot script for our docs :D [09:51] Riddell: does the bzr build-deb work? :P:P [09:51] maybe but it doesn't build source packages, that still done the same way [09:51] dch -i to add a changelog [09:52] debuild -S to build source package [09:53] I'll give this a shot and see how I do. [09:54] make sure you move the .bzr directory out the way before running debuild -S [10:18] who is responsible for kubuntu.org? the links to Locos are not working. eg http://www.kubuntu.org/support/deutsch [10:19] bulldog98_work: give me a moment and I'll look at it. [10:19] * bulldog98_work hugs DarkwingDuck [10:20] can we get branding for http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-flavor-kubuntu.html ? [10:20] some thing like http://status.kubuntu.org/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-flavor-kubuntu.html [10:24] bulldog98_work: make a note of it for me at UDS. [10:24] I'll work on that while I'm working on getting help.k.o [10:24] shadeslayer: seems I will definitely need a cpp ical parser [10:24] shadeslayer: in qml you cannot thread a qtobject [10:24] only javascripts [10:30] DarkwingDuck: I will not attend uds, and where can I I do notes like that? [10:34]