[00:01] <urlin2u> BluesKaj, not sure but if you have the multiarch on I think the 32 bit should run, just guessing here.
[00:02] <BluesKaj> fqalse alarm, I haven't been around today ...just installed flash off the repos ..works now
[00:02] <BluesKaj> sorry about that I should have checked first
[00:02] <BluesKaj> okm...later
[00:02] <urlin2u> BluesKaj, that a 64 bit?
[00:02] <BluesKaj> yup
[00:03] <urlin2u> BluesKaj, thanks take it easy
[00:10] <MnFisherman> hi, i have AMD/ATI drivers installed an they dont work with gnome shell but work fine with Unity.
[00:13] <MnFisherman> hi, i have AMD/ATI drivers installed an they dont work with gnome shell but work fine with Unity.
[00:15] <urlin2u> MnFisherman, did you install a driver in Natty, or other stuff?
[00:16] <MnFisherman> on 11.10
[00:16] <MnFisherman> the closed driver messes up gnome3
[00:17] <urlin2u> MnFisherman, looked on the web not much exacting info, I just wondered if what makes that set work in natty might transfer to oneric, sounds like no as far as the closed driver.
[00:17] <MnFisherman> was wondering mabye the open one may work
[00:18] <urlin2u> I have ati but not amd the ubuntu provided work.
[00:19] <MnFisherman> aww the default ackage
[00:19] <MnFisherman> p
[00:20] <MnFisherman> urlin2u, so youron 11.10 and the ubuntu open driver works fine with gnome3?
[00:22] <urlin2u> yeah here is my card,  Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[00:23] <urlin2u> netbook
[00:23] <urlin2u> I think that is ati.
[00:23] <MnFisherman> i have a ATi HD Radeon
[00:24] <MnFisherman> where talking diff manufactures
[00:25] <urlin2u> a channel ##hardware   probably
[00:25] <MnFisherman> nono
[00:26] <MnFisherman> this chan is fine for trouble shooting Oneiric, its whats its for
[00:27] <urlin2u> I recognize not the same manufacturer, and this is a weak area for me so others will be better, if it was me, and I knew the process of loading drives I would try the open and see.
[00:29] <famine> im on a laptop, when I close my lid the laptop goes into sleep...i dont want to it too....how can I set this up?
[00:33] <famine> anyone?
[00:34] <MnFisherman> bug reported in launchpad.net #1	Microsoft has a majority market share	—	In Progress	Critical	3 hours ago
[00:34] <MnFisherman> haha
[00:37] <famine> like, im going to have to get rid of 11.10
[00:38] <famine> if I cant get it not go into sleep when I close my laptops lid
[00:40] <famine> okay found it....gnome-tweak-tool
[00:41] <famine> or application ----> other ---> advanced settings
[02:14] <timothy> Hello
[02:14] <timothy> after a set of updates i noticed that the golden compiz snap was removed! yay
[02:41] <nathanel> hello all! I am looking for a way to override the default cpu governor on my laptop and force powersave on system start.. anyone knows how to on oneiric?
[02:44] <nathanel> hello all! I am looking for a way to override the default cpu governor on my laptop and force powersave on system start.. anyone knows how to on oneiric?
[02:45] <urlin2u> nathanel, the ppa has oneiric and you can click for what you want .
[02:46] <urlin2u> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/tag/cpu-frequency-scaling-applet-ubuntu-natty
[02:46] <nathanel> i have the cpufreq-indicator
[02:46] <nathanel> i want the system to overrride the default on startup..
[02:46] <urlin2u> not sure there.
[02:50] <ChmEarl> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[02:51] <nathanel> i have to force input of powersave to the file on startup?
[02:53] <nathanel> and where can i add such command to be loaded automatically.. i know it would have to be some kind of init no?
[02:53] <escott>  nathanel rc.local
[02:53] <nathanel> located at?
[02:54] <escott> nathanel, /etc/rc.local
[02:54] <nathanel> ok
[02:55] <nathanel> but to be even more thorough with the issue.. where is the actual system default located?
[02:55] <nathanel> where does the value originate from ?
[02:55] <escott> nathanel, its compiled into the kernel as a kbuild option
[02:56] <nathanel> ah
[02:56] <nathanel> so its the mainstream default then.. got it :)
[02:56] <timothy> ubuntu 11.10 beta 1 worsened
[02:56] <nathanel> thanks for the help
[02:58] <nathanel> gonna try it now..  rebooting
[03:02] <nathanel> back
[03:02] <nathanel> the rc.local input didnt work... still stuck on ondemand
[03:05] <escott> nathanel, you may need to call update-rc.d after modifying rc.local
[03:05] <escott> nathanel, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RcLocalHowto
[03:06] <nathanel> ah.. oops
[03:06] <nathanel> thanks for the link
[03:32] <nathanel> hello again... the rc.local works on startup but the system then reverts automatically to ondemand.. WTF?
[03:38] <nathanel> help?
[04:28] <gnomie> it could be handy to have a simple terminal session as login option [no X]
[04:35] <gnomie> i think i'd like sidepanel icons to be backlit only if the app it points to is running
[04:35] <gnomie> i keep thinking it used to be like that at first
[04:37] <gnomie> beta2 will be out in week or so.. sigh
[04:43] <famine> is there a way to get apt-get to give you more information? like in gentoo when you install a package you can see where files go, and also what the executable is named
[04:43] <famine> like say I install eterm....how am i suppose to know that the executable is "Eterm" with a capital (i already knew that)
[04:48] <maxagaz> hi
[04:48] <maxagaz> are we gonna have a big battle between unity and gnome shell in ubuntu 11.10 ?
[04:49] <micahg> maxagaz: they're both available
[04:52] <maxagaz> there a version of oneiric especially for mac ?
[08:49] <sre> hi. I am running Ubuntu 11.10 Beta1 and recently I noticed that the Ubuntu normal login isn't presented as a choice for login. I have Gnome shell (with and without effects and recovery), and Ubuntu 2D. I use the fglrx driver which seems to work fairly ok. Anyone have a suggestion on what packages I should try to reinstall to get Unity reinstalled ?
[08:49] <sre> sorry-- copy paste didn't work
[08:50] <sre> I am not quite sure when this issue occurred but after computer boot and login screen is presented I only see Gnome Shell (with and without effects, and recovery) and Ubuntu (Unity 2d).  Any suggestion on what packages I should try reinstalling to get the normal Ubuntu choice for login ?
[08:58] <urlin2u> sre, look in additional drivers it sounds like your missing a graphics driver.
[09:02] <zetsu> hello
[09:02] <sre> urlin2u, ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver seem to be enabled and currently in use.
[09:02] <zetsu> Vmware Workstastion Problem With ubuntu 11.10  ican't compile
[09:03] <urlin2u> sre, not an area of expertise for me have you rebooted since they were installed ethier by you or the computer didi it.
[09:04] <urlin2u> zetsu, have you checked out virtualbox, its a bit easier to set up?
[09:05] <sre> urlin2u, indeed. Ubuntu+1 need a reboot regularly on my computer. I could try to install the driver manually
[09:05] <spY|da> hi
[09:06] <sre> zetzu, or maybe downgrade your kernel and kernel source to a supported version.
[10:29] <chakra888> exit
[10:31] <remoteCTRL> hi guys!
[10:31] <remoteCTRL> i got a few questions about unity
[10:31] <remoteCTRL> like
[10:32] <gaelfx> I was trying to use the remote desktop viewer, but when I connected, the picture was tiny, so tiny as to be unusable, and switching to fullscreen simply caused the same size desktop to be shown with a lot of gray around it, is there a way to fix that?
[10:32] <remoteCTRL> what desktop am i gonna use if ubuntu, as it happens, does not support an intel ign integrated graphics card and has therefore no 3d support?
[10:32] <gaelfx> Unity 2D :D
[10:32] <remoteCTRL> that exists?
[10:33] <remoteCTRL> what is actually the difference between unity and gnome 3? to me that all looks somewhat the same?
[10:36] <gaelfx> yes, Unity 2D actually exists, it's the fallback interface for machines without 3d support
[10:36] <gaelfx> if you want to see Gnome 3, you can select a gnome 3 session at login, I believe
[10:39] <gaelfx> also, Gnome 3 by default has a visible workspace switcher whenever you open up the file/application browser, and some other default applets that don't seem to be in unity
[10:40] <gaelfx> if you really want to see the differences, you should try installing gnome 3 on an arch setup and you will see how gnome 3 differs (I personally think it looks a little better, especially the default background)
[10:43] <remoteCTRL> gaelfx: mhm thanks for the info. now i only gotta figure out how to use this stuff, cos up to now unity appears to me to be nothing more than a  avant window navigator with way less features...
[10:44] <gaelfx> Really? When was the last time you used AWN? Cause last time I used it, I found it to be rather scant
[10:44] <gaelfx> anyways, yes, Unity takes a lot of getting used to, as does gnome 3, but in some ways it is a little more user friendly I think, so long as you know the name of the app you want, it's pretty quick finding it
[10:45] <gaelfx> windowsbutton+<searchstring>=app access :D
[10:57] <gaelfx> is there no battery applet? I'd like to know how my battery is doing :S
[10:59] <francis> I am using ubuntu 11.10 beta downloaded from daily build of 9/9/2011 everything is working well except streaming web radio.
[10:59] <francis> I need help to resolve this issue
[11:11] <cnz> I just graded to 11.10 and after wards I can't seem to get my usb drive to mount
[11:11] <cnz> and it doesn't auto mount anymore on boot
[11:14] <rigved> cnz: it seems that not many people are online right now. try asking your question again at a later time.
[11:16] <gaelfx> cnz: why do you need the USB to mount at boot? Also, does it show up in lsusb?
[11:18] <cnz> gaelfx: because I like it to automount on boot
[11:18] <cnz> and yes it does show up in lsusb
[11:18] <francis> cnz: does your usb show up at all? can you access it even i it does not auto mount?
[11:19] <cnz> francis: how can it be accessed if it's not mounted?
[11:19] <cwillu_at_work> cnz, it should appear in the relevant menus, clicking on it should mount it
[11:19] <cwillu_at_work> (i.e., in the sidebar)
[11:19] <francis> open the home button and see if its there
[11:20] <cnz> cwillu_at_work: yeah, after the upgrade to 11.10 its no longer on the sidebar
[11:20] <cwillu_at_work> cnz, it's not in your fstab is it?
[11:20] <cnz> ok it won't mount because of permission
[11:20] <cnz> it shows up in home folder
[11:20] <cnz> when I click it says unable to mount not authorized
[11:28] <rigved> cnz: can you confirm that the usb is not listed in /etc/fstab?
[11:29] <cnz> rigved: it's not in there
[11:30] <cnz> just sda1 and sda5
[11:31] <gaelfx> is there any way to get battery info in the top panel?
[11:32] <gaelfx> I can see it in power settings, but not on the panel
[11:32] <rigved> cnz: are you able to mount it via the terminal commandline?
[11:34] <cnz> rigved: http://pastebin.com/kWg3yJxL
[11:36] <rigved> cnz: ok. so, try putting this in a windows machine. then, you should get the 'Scan and fix problems' dialog automatically. i do not know how to do this in ubuntu but if it's a windows-based fs (like NTFS), it is best to be done in windows itself.
[11:37] <cnz> ok
[11:47] <cnz> rigved: I did what you suggested
[11:47] <cnz> and it wiped the fucking drive
[12:02] <dsdale> anyone know how to disable multiarch on kubuntu?
[12:04] <remoteCTRL> gaelfx: well as said i guess i need to watch some utube vids forst in order to figure it out :D
[12:30] <rigved> cnz: did you format the drive? did the dialog say 'Scan and Fix' for filesystem errors or did it say format drive?
[12:56] <knightstalker> Did anyone try Xfce/Lxde using their desktop package on Ubuntu?
[12:56] <knightstalker> Did it work?Last time I tried to install kubuntu-desktop,my Ubuntu died
[12:56] <knightstalker> Want to know if Xfce/Lxde has the same issue(I am really interested in them)
[13:07] <psyke> hello, sorry to bother you guys, I was just wondering what should I know before upgrading to 11.10 when the time comes. what I mean to say is that I've customized my classic gnome a lot. will it get overwritten by new settings in 11.10? apart from this is anything else I should expect to fix?
[13:08] <coz_> psyke,  come to think of it,, I am not sure "classic" gnome is in 11.10, but  stick around here to be sure
[13:09] <coz_> psyke,  i do know gnome3 is available on the next release
[13:09] <psyke> by classic gnome I mean the 2.32.1 version that can be selected through the login screen
[13:10] <psyke> and by upgrading to the next release, will it get uninstalled?
[13:10] <psyke> i'm totally unfamiliar with the upgrade process
[13:11] <drussell> psyke: yeah, there is no gnome 2.x available in 11.10, the upgrade process will ask you to confirm removing those packages
[13:11] <vega-> coz_: gnome3 is available, so you do not need to use unity??
[13:11] <coz_> vega-,  I believe that is correct
[13:12] <coz_> vega-,  and if you like compiz  you will have to set gnome3 to "fallback" mode  to use it
[13:13] <psyke> drussell: thanks. i'm sure this sounds stupid but will I be required to remove other applications besides gnome2?
[13:13] <coz_> unlikely
[13:13] <coz_> psyke,  newer versions of the software might be available however,,
[13:14] <drussell> psyke: there's always a few packages that are superceded by different packages
[13:14] <drussell> psyke: but the upgrade process is usually pretty smart and lets you know what its changing
[13:14] <psyke> oh, that's what I wanted to know
[13:15] <drussell> psyke: but as always with upgrades... backup first ;o)
[13:15] <psyke> any pointers/guides on that?
[13:15] <coz_> !backup
[13:16] <psyke> bam! :D thanks
[13:16] <drussell> coz_: heh nice :o)
[13:16] <coz_> psyke,  save the files you need ,, txt  photos etc
[13:17] <coz_> psyke,  pretty typical stuff,,  software however , let the upgrade process  do that,, in all honesty,, I prefer to suggest clean installs over upgrades
[13:17] <psyke> I remember that I messed up my system for good when upgrading from or to hardy back in the days
[13:17] <psyke> switched to windows and never came back
[13:18] <coz_> psyke,   upgrades are consistently inconsistent
[13:18] <psyke> now I'll give this another chance :)
[13:18] <brick> hi
[13:18] <drussell> lo
[13:18] <psyke> thanks for the tips guys
[13:18] <coz_> psyke,   no need to "give up" any OS  ,, use what you need when you need it
[13:19] <tantris> Hi, I have trouble syncing my contacts with ubuntuone in oneiric beta 1, the contacst list in evolution is empty
[13:19] <brick> i have a problem with the latest beta, sometimes windows on the desktop become unresponsive, i cannot close them or refocus them using the launcher panel#
[13:19] <brick> is there a solution about this?
[13:20] <drussell> brick: fully updated? and what graphics are you using?
[13:20] <brick> drussell: fully upgraded, nvidia restricted drivers
[13:21] <drussell> brick: not seen anything like that I'm afraid... but all my systems are intel gfx
[13:21] <drussell> brick: someone else might comment
[13:21] <brick> okay, thanks
[13:23] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:28] <vega-> quite confused about the relationship between gnome3, unity and gnome shell .. do they have anything to do with each other?
[13:29] <XGaryG> Has the problem with Ubuntu One syncing in Ubuntu beta 11.10 been fixed?
[13:31] <drussell> vega-: in a nutshell (and with slight inconsistencies) Gnome3 could be seen as the underlying libraries, with Gnome Shell and Unity being competing user experiences on top of Gnome3
[13:32] <drussell> vega-: it's not quite that simple, but that's a reasonable 1 line explanation imho
[13:50] <vega-> drussell: ok thanks.. i think i'll give gnome shell a try in virtualbox
[13:51] <drussell> vega-: np
[13:55] <vega-> hmm, beta1 installation "introduction slides" say evolution mail is included.. i thought thunderbird was the default mail app for 11.10 ?
[13:58] <tantris> Hmm are the ubuntu one servers down for sync? I get db_not_found,https://couchdb.one.ubuntu.com/...?
[14:02] <knightstalker> vega-,Introduction Slides are not updates
[14:02] <knightstalker> updated*
[14:02] <knightstalker> They are Introduction Slides from Natty,notice the Natty Narwhal logo
[14:02] <vega-> ah ok
[14:03] <remoteCTRL> please correct me if i am wrong but from what i can see there will be no gnome3 in ubuntu, right?
[14:03] <remoteCTRL> there will only be unity
[14:03] <knightstalker> It will be only available in repositories
[14:03] <knightstalker> But preinstalled?No
[14:04] <remoteCTRL> unity somewhat looks like gnome 3, fells like gnome 3 but can do half of the things gnome 3 can
[14:04] <knightstalker> If you are interested,install gnome-shell from Ubuntu Software Center
[14:04] <remoteCTRL> knightstalker: you cannot
[14:04] <knightstalker> You can,I did
[14:04] <remoteCTRL> they took the gnome-shell out of the repos
[14:04] <tantris> is ubuntu one already supported in oneiric?
[14:04] <remoteCTRL> nope you cannot
[14:04] <knightstalker> remoteCTRL:did they do it just now?
[14:05] <remoteCTRL> just about, yep...
[14:05] <remoteCTRL> disappointing i have to say...
[14:05] <knightstalker> Then I don't really know,I installed it when it was in the repos
[14:05] <remoteCTRL> and according to some post that i found mark shuttleworth musta had some beef with the gnome dudes
[14:05] <vega-> oh?
[14:05] <remoteCTRL> now there will be no gnome 3 in ubuntu from what i know
[14:06] <knightstalker> remoteCTRL:They rejected Canonical's help
[14:06] <remoteCTRL> just you imagine
[14:06] <remoteCTRL> this is all sick imho
[14:06] <knightstalker> but actually,in his blog,he actually celebrated porting gnome-shell to ubuntu
[14:06] <remoteCTRL> we are a university institute with some 40ppl and absofrekinlutely nobody can stand the unity desktop
[14:06] <knightstalker> I am updating my repository's cache,lets see what happens,my internet is a bit slow
[14:06] <remoteCTRL> so it looks like we are switching to fedora -.-
[14:07] <vega-> ok, beta1 installed, logged in and opened a terminal: "sorry unity 2d panel closed unexpectedly"
[14:07] <remoteCTRL> he did?
[14:07] <remoteCTRL> vega-: rofl...
[14:07] <knightstalker> remoteCTRL:sure
[14:07] <knightstalker> let me give you the URL
[14:07] <remoteCTRL> ya please
[14:08] <knightstalker> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/669
[14:10] <knightstalker> remoteCTRL:hmm:
[14:10] <knightstalker> http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/gnome-shell
[14:10] <knightstalker> Ubuntu Packages report that gnome-shell still exists on universe repository
[14:11] <remoteCTRL> interesting...
[14:12] <remoteCTRL> i dont get it
[14:12] <remoteCTRL> its all confusing
[14:12] <remoteCTRL> and on top of that i just ruined something in compiz causing it to switch wievports and apps in decades...
[14:12] <remoteCTRL> meaning it takes like for ever, superslow animation :D
[14:14]  * knightstalker has no idea about compiz :(,sowwy!
[14:14] <knightstalker> last time I just purged stuff and reinstalled them... :p
[14:16] <remoteCTRL> hehehe
[14:16] <remoteCTRL> hell yeah.... me luuuvs it...
[14:21] <knightstalker> remoteCTRL:check your APT list
[14:21] <knightstalker> 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ oneiric/universe i386 Packages
[14:22] <knightstalker> After a full cache update
[14:22] <knightstalker> gnome-shell is intact
[14:22] <remoteCTRL> knightstalker: i am still on natty i am just doing my homework for the release upgrade...
[14:22] <knightstalker> Ohh...
[14:22] <remoteCTRL> out professors wont like it...
[14:22] <knightstalker> Then thats why
[14:22] <knightstalker> Natty's gnome-shell is either very old,or not gnome-shell as we know it at all
[14:23] <remoteCTRL> it used to be there in natty but they took it out i dummo why
[14:23] <remoteCTRL> well it basically has the same version number as the one required by gnome3 so i dont get it at all...
[14:23] <knightstalker> remoteCTRL:Not sure,but I am almost certain that there are some experimental ways to install it
[14:23] <knightstalker> like PPA's
[14:23] <knightstalker> PPAs*
[14:23] <remoteCTRL> can be...
[14:24] <remoteCTRL> for now i need to get my compiz fixed cos this is seriously annoying :D
[14:24] <knightstalker> lol,sure
[14:24] <knightstalker> Itake a look at versions till you get that fixed
[14:26] <knightstalker> version 3.1.90.1-0ubuntu4 is in Oneiric,yeah,can't see Natty,but next in line is 2.31.5 on Maverick
[14:26] <knightstalker> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell
[14:26] <knightstalker> Take a look yourself when you have time,Its available on Oneiric/Maverick/Lucid
[14:26] <knightstalker> but Maverick/Lucid edition is ancient
[14:26] <knightstalker> More then 46 weeks old,while Oneiric's Gnome-shell was uploaded 6 days ago
[14:26] <vega-> ok, beta updated with latest updates, gnome-shell installed.. now what? how do i choose it at login
[14:27] <vega-> i have "gnome", "ubuntu" and "ubuntu 2d" choices ... is it "gnome"?
[14:27] <knightstalker> Yes
[14:27] <vega-> ok
[14:28] <vega-> "failed to load session "gnome""  .. and then there's a "log out" button below
[14:28] <vega-> fail, should i say..
[14:29] <knightstalker> Hmm,you have your Graphic Driver installed?
[14:30] <vega-> hmm, don't know, just installed beta1, card is nvidia
[14:30] <vega-> i should install propr. drivers?
[14:30] <knightstalker> Hmm,I didn't need them...
[14:31] <remoteCTRL> vega-: hold it right there!
[14:31] <vega-> ..
[14:31] <remoteCTRL> dpkg -l "*nvidia*" says what?
[14:31] <remoteCTRL> oh so you never have actually been on the desktop?
[14:32] <vega-> i just installed this in virtualbox
[14:32] <vega-> completely fresh
[14:32] <remoteCTRL> i see... in that case there is no nvidia driver running
[14:32] <vega-> run dist-upgrade after beta1 .iso was installed
[14:32] <remoteCTRL> mhm
[14:32] <vega-> actually now it says new drivers available
[14:33] <remoteCTRL> so there you go! :)
[14:33] <vega-> let's see what happens.. although have to go for now
[14:34] <knightstalker> Pfft,"WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!"
[14:34] <knightstalker> I am just doing an apt-get upgrade :p
[14:35] <knightstalker> apt-get update might fix it or not?,I am updating using official ubuntu repositories
[14:41] <remoteCTRL> well sry guys but i gotta run for the bus
[14:41] <remoteCTRL> cay soon:)
[14:47] <famine> how do I start compiz
[14:47] <famine> im in gnome3
[14:47] <famine> and type compiz --replace
[14:47] <famine> it doesnt seem to work
[14:50] <bullgard4> Is the java runtime environment version 1.6.0_23 the correct one for Oneiric?
[14:50] <zniavre> famine,  using 'fusion-icon' ?
[14:51] <zniavre> caramba ...
[14:51] <rigved> hi everyone. in lucid, when i would right click on a folder that was synced on ubuntu one, i would get an option to "Publish via Ubuntu One". in oneiric, i cannot see this option even though the files are synced properly.
[14:53] <rigved> bullgard4: it seems that it is. even i have the same version.
[14:55] <bullgard4> rigved: Thank you very much for your help.
[14:55] <rigved> bullgard4: you are welcome
[14:57] <jeblad> Tried to upgrade to 11.10 on a netbook Acer One (A110 I guess) and it hangs on download for xserver and it seems like it is related to radeon
[14:58] <jeblad> (just copy pasting from the main channel)
[14:58] <jeblad> The error message is "Failed to fetch blablabla Connection failed"
[14:59] <jeblad> the url generated is simply wrong, the roor dir at that server does not exist
[15:01] <famine> how can I have mutter start with gnome3?
[15:07] <jeffrash> When is the 11.10 Beta 2 release?
[15:08] <jeffrash> Nevermind, I found it
[15:08] <jeffrash> September 22nd, 2011 - Beta 2 release
[15:08] <jeffrash> October 13th, 2011 - Final release of Ubuntu 11.10
[15:08] <famine> can someone tell me how to add mutter to my startup in gnome3/ubuntu? im new to graphical logins and ubuntu (used to use gentoo) in gentoo id just add 'exec mutter' to my .xinitrc
[15:08] <famine> how is this done in gnome3?
[15:10] <rigved> famine: you can ask again later when there are more people around who can help.
[15:11] <famine> it seems like a simple question
[15:11] <famine> i just need to add mutter to startup
[15:13] <jeffrash> famine_, gnome-session-properties
[15:13] <IdleOne> guessing here but install mutter then sudo dpkg-reconfigure mutter
[15:14] <famine> naw, had to create a file in ~/.config/autostart
[15:15] <jeffrash> can't you just add it into the list via "gnome-session-properties"?
[15:15] <jeffrash> That's were I setup autostart for everything
[15:15] <famine> ahhh
[15:15] <famine> yeah
[15:15] <famine> that would work too
[15:16] <famine> making a file in ,config/autostart is the manual way of adding stuff to gnome-session-properties
[15:16] <famine> i didnt know about gnome-session-properties untill you mentioned it though :)
[15:16] <t0m_> hi I have just done an upgrade oneiric beta from natty. I think my user is now no longer the administrator and was wondering if there had been a change in the group used
[15:17] <famine> another question, is there a control panel for mutter? or somewhere where I can see all the effects that mutter can do and how to do them
[15:46] <BluesKaj> hmm, suddenly cdrom won't mount ..."mount: can't find /dev/cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab" , I thought there was no longer any need for it to be listed , any suggestions
[16:20] <jeffrash> famine, is motter the keyboard shortcut utility?
[16:20] <jeffrash> famine, mutter
[16:23] <jeffrash> famine, check "gnome-control-center" under keyboard
[16:25] <jeffrash> famine, sorry I don't think my suggestion is right
[16:25] <jeffrash> not sure what mutter is
[16:27] <Ian_Corne> mutter is like compiz and metacity
[16:27] <Ian_Corne> !info mutter
[16:37] <blizzow> okay, I'm getting tired of having my windows stop responding.  I have to open a new terminal and click xkill on windows after a while.  The programs look okay in top.  It's like the Window manager is just pooping the bed.
[16:37] <blizzow> Has anyone seen this behaviour?
[16:38] <Jcook_5xData> I need some help I am unable to mount  any ext device like dvd and usb I check group(term) I am part of the plugdev I am not sure what wrong
[16:41] <Jcook_5xData> blizzow, yup, I think it a compiz thing. compiz is very crashy for me as well
[16:44] <genii-around> Trying to remove kde-zeroconf wants to also remove kubuntu-desktop
[16:53] <Jcook_5xData> genii-around, kubuntu-desktop is a meta-package it should be safe to remove. I do it all the time when remove gwibber on ubuntu
[16:54] <gnomie> ^
[16:55] <gnomie> but, check for other dependencies listed in that removal though.. if any
[16:55] <Jcook_5xData> genii-around, I not sure why you want to remove zeroconf it configure networking
[16:56] <Jcook_5xData> genii-around, http://www.zeroconf.org/
[16:57] <Jcook_5xData> :) now if someone can help figure out my ext drive not mounting :P
[16:57] <maxagaz> hi
[16:57] <Jcook_5xData> hi
[16:58] <maxagaz> I've installed oneiric in a virtual box and I can't switch to gnome shell (the deb is installed)
[16:58] <maxagaz> at the login screen, I can chose gnome, ubuntu, ubuntu 2D, that's it
[16:58] <Jcook_5xData> click the gear at the login screen and choose gnome
[16:59] <maxagaz> when I chose gnome, I get an error message
[16:59] <maxagaz> and it goes back to the login screen
[16:59] <maxagaz> Failed to load sessions "gnome"
[17:00] <Jcook_5xData> you are using 11.10 right
[17:00] <maxagaz> yes
[17:00] <Jcook_5xData> if so go to term and type 'sudo apt-get instal gnome-shell'
[17:00] <genii-around> Jcook_5xData: Because it interferes with my routing
[17:00] <Jcook_5xData> sound like you are missing the gnome 3 theme
[17:01] <Jcook_5xData> genii-around, just checking :)
[17:01] <maxagaz> Jcook_5xData, I did sudo apt-get instal gnome-shell already
[17:02] <blizzow> I want to change the window manager to focus on the window where the mouse is but not raise the window.  How do I do this in Unity?
[17:03] <Jcook_5xData> sudo apt-get install gnome-shell --reinstall I have install more then once on 11.10 so I know it work I did get this problem on 11
[17:03] <blizzow> I went into the settings and all I could find was a background manager and themes manager.  I went into the mouse settings and it's not there either.
[17:03] <Jcook_5xData> .04 using ppa
[17:05] <Jcook_5xData> blizzow, I think you need ubuntu-tweak < be careful I not sure how much is update to 11.10 yet - or see if you can find the setting in gconf-editor
[17:05] <maxagaz> it's a good thing that we can now switch easily between unity and gnome shell
[17:05] <maxagaz> and gnome 2
[17:05] <maxagaz> not gnome2 ?
[17:05] <rww> Ubuntu oneiric uses GNOME 3, not GNOME 2.
[17:06] <rww> Notably, this also means that gconf-editor is mostly useless.
[17:06] <rww> !notunity
[17:09]  * gnomie ponders about some folk having 'gnome' as a login option..; certainly not a default option on 11.10
[17:10] <maxagaz> it's a pity to have unity and gnome shell, I really don't understand why canonical did unity instead of working on gnome shell
[17:11] <maxagaz> at last, one will disappear for the other
[17:11] <jakemp> How do I change unity back to only alt tabbing within its viewport/virtual desktop
[17:11] <Jcook_5xData> anyone else have the problem where they can not mount ext media? I get "Not Authorized" when trying to mount/ access but dvd and usb
[17:12] <gnomie> Jcook_5xData: tried sudo nautilus and see if you can get?
[17:12] <maxagaz> and I don't unity can win in front of gnome shell which is supported by a larger community
[17:12] <jakemp> also, compiz seems to be crashing at the drop of a hat this last week.
[17:12] <Jcook_5xData> I can install  programs & use sudo. also the unlock on my user info page is grayed out
[17:13] <gnomie> maxagaz: understanding or not, unity is whats up. disliking it is not going to make it go away. beta2 out in about a week from now.
[17:15] <Jcook_5xData> gnomie, when I do my usb does not even show up
[17:16] <gnomie> :-/
[17:16] <Jcook_5xData> under me it does
[17:17] <gnomie> looks like you need to investigate what's happening with your user/group permissions
[17:17] <gnomie> but you already know that
[17:19] <Jcook_5xData> yea I look at my group file in /etc/group and compared it to another box that is fine all the group I need to be are part of are the same
[17:25] <gnomie> Jcook_5xData: not a fix but if you in need access to info, you can try mounting your media using livecd
[17:28] <jakemp> =/ I lost my unity bars.
[17:28] <gnomie> !reset
[17:28] <Ian_Corne> jakemp: check ccsm and see if the unity plugin is enabled
[17:28] <Ian_Corne> gnomie: that doesn't help I think
[17:28] <gnomie> why not
[17:28] <imnichol> Libreoffice keeps crashing
[17:29] <jakemp> Ian_Corne, I mean like, just now, something crashed
[17:29] <imnichol> That's what i get for running the beta as production
[17:29] <jakemp> I think I need to restart something
[17:29] <gnomie> jakemp: terminal~$ unity --reset
[17:30] <gnomie> hm
[17:31] <Ian_Corne> oh
[17:34] <jakemp> okay, so it crashed. Now all I have is Xchat and a terminal. I think this might be because I rebooted on battery
[17:35] <mrdeb> hi how is the oneric today
[17:45] <imnichol> still buggy
[17:45] <imnichol> As usual.  Getting better
[17:45] <antihero> Hey, can't get display working
[17:45] <antihero> Fatal error: No Screens Found
[17:47] <antihero> "Warning this server has video driver ABI of 11.0 that this driver does not officially support"
[17:48] <antihero> "User the -IgnoreABI option to get over it"
[17:48] <antihero> Where in the hell would I use that?
[17:48] <antihero> Then it Unloads "nvidia" module and fails to load the X server
[17:48] <antihero> ffs
[17:48] <antihero> hello?
[17:48] <antihero> is *anyone* there?
[17:49] <Ian_Corne> Yes
[17:49] <Ian_Corne> alot of people are
[17:50] <Ian_Corne> And if they know the answer, they'll say it
[17:50] <antihero> how would I "Use the -IgnoreABI option"
[17:50] <antihero> :\
[17:50] <antihero>  ─µ·
[17:50] <antihero> shoot sorry
[17:50] <Ian_Corne> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=111516
[17:50] <Ian_Corne> in xorg
[17:51] <Ian_Corne> I think
[17:51] <antihero> aasdasdasdasdasd
[17:51] <antihero> oops sorry again
[17:51] <antihero> my terminal has decided to be off the bottom of the screen :(
[17:51] <antihero> was just looking at that thread
[17:52] <antihero> IgnoreABI got the server to boo
[17:52] <antihero> but then it's just blank
[17:55] <antihero> any idea how to add that switch with kdm
[17:58] <jMCg> Hello happy people o/~
[17:58] <jMCg> I just ran an upgrade to oneiric and there are couple of things which appear broken.
[17:59] <jMCg> In particular: flasplugin-installer (and all of it's dependencies), libreoffice and I think that's it.
[18:00] <jMCg> (I thought wine was too, but it isn't..)
[18:02] <jMCg> Anyway.. I should reboot and see if this thing comes back up (:
[18:04] <BluesKaj> jMCg, make sure multiarch is enabled if you're on 64 bit
[18:06] <Ian_Corne> antihero: my guess would be in the launch scripts
[18:08] <jMCg> aaah.... darkness.
[18:08] <jMCg> Switching to lightdm might might have been a premature choice.
[18:08] <maxagaz> I tried to reinstall gnome-shell, but I still get:  Failed to load session "gnome", at the login
[18:09] <jMCg> BluesKaj: how do I enable multiarch?
[18:11] <jMCg> man dpkg or man dpkg.cfg aren't very helpful :-/
[18:11] <urlin2u> jMCg, you judt updated it probably is .
[18:12] <urlin2u> just
[18:12] <IAmNotThatGuy> jMCg, http://techspear.com/2011/08/how-to-make-flash-player-working-in-ubuntu-oneiric/ and http://techspear.com/2011/08/nspluginwrapper-update-installation-failed-error/ might help I think
[18:12] <jMCg> urlin2u: no is not.
[18:13]  * jMCg installs gpm
[18:14] <urlin2u> jMCg, this is a wiki on prebeta this may help.
[18:14] <urlin2u> jMCg, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview/Beta1
[18:15] <urlin2u> jMCg, you may aor may not know that when you upgrade your 3rd party and extra repos are commented out.
[18:15] <urlin2u> or*
[18:16] <urlin2u> check them for compatibility before uncommenting jMCg
[18:17] <antihero> so basically people on nvidia are screwed if they updated today
[18:18] <BluesKaj> antihero, blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[18:18] <antihero> BluesKaj: what should I blacklist?
[18:18] <jMCg>   Driver: "i915"
[18:19] <antihero> what exactly is that?
[18:19] <BluesKaj> what nvidia driver are you running atm
[18:19] <BluesKaj> antihero, ^
[18:19] <antihero> "nvidia-current"
[18:20] <antihero> 285.03-0-ubuntu1~edgets~oneiric4
[18:21] <jMCg> O_o
[18:22] <jMCg> now that I enabled foreign architecture i386 and try to install flashplayer-plugin it wants to do: http://sprunge.us/CODL
[18:23] <Ian_Corne> yes
[18:23] <Ian_Corne> that's normal
[18:23] <BluesKaj> hmm, my nvidia-current is the 280.13 , but my card is pretty close to entry level pcie , 8400gs
[18:23] <Ian_Corne> except the dependencies
[18:23] <jMCg> But... what good is flashplugin-installer in 32bit, when my browser is 64bit?
[18:23] <jMCg> I'd have to re-install that too.
[18:24] <Ian_Corne> nvidia-current: Installed: (none) Candidate: 280.13-0ubuntu3
[18:25] <Ian_Corne> I think so jMCg
[18:25] <Ian_Corne> I personaly go for the 64 bit beta
[18:25] <Ian_Corne> from sevenmachien's ppa
[18:26] <jMCg> But that's even buggier, IIRC.
[18:26] <antihero> gonna reebots
[18:26] <jMCg> aaanyway.
[18:26] <Ian_Corne> buggier?
[18:26] <Ian_Corne> I don't notice any bugs :p
[18:26] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne, my sevenmachines ppa is no longer valid ...install flash from the repos after it stopped working yesterday
[18:26] <jMCg> After reboot: lightdm presents a blank screen and I can see my mouse.
[18:26] <BluesKaj> err installed
[18:27] <Ian_Corne> oh?
[18:27] <jMCg> This might be due to my multi-monitor setup, but.. I don't see what to type (hence now in console)
[18:28] <jMCg> mmmm...
[18:28] <jMCg> Is lightdm accessability enabled?
[18:28] <jMCg> That way I could *hear* what is on the screen and login :)
[18:30] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne, I kept getting the message that the gpg key wasn't recognized, after i tried to re-edit the sources.list by adding the ppa
[18:30] <jMCg> Can someone guide me through it? Can I just enter my name/tab/password? Or do I have to click somewhere? Can I do that without clicking? etc..
[18:30] <urlin2u> BluesKaj, do you get the missing key in a update?
[18:31] <BluesKaj> urlin2u, no I just instaaled from the repos ..they must have added it
[18:31] <Ian_Corne> it works for me BluesKaj
[18:31] <Ian_Corne> I think
[18:31] <urlin2u> BluesKaj, yeah if you use the sudo apt repositorty load it gets the key.
[18:32] <BluesKaj> I noticed missing plugins message yesterday when I opened my browser
[18:34] <BluesKaj> somehow the ppa got stripped out of the sources.list . so after adding it again I got the gpg error message , so I removed the ppa from the soureces.list , then I updated and installed the flash installer again
[18:35] <BluesKaj> now a it's good
[19:07] <gnomie> jMCg: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins
[19:07] <Lynoure> There is something really weird in my KDE wallet management
[19:08] <Lynoure> Could some Kubuntu user try these steps for me? Open the kwalletmanager
[19:08] <Lynoure> then File -> Create new wallet
[19:09] <Lynoure> For me it seems to create a new wallet, even to open it, but never asks for a passphrase for that, and never shows it in kwalletmanager, let alone letting me to actually add anything to that wallet
[19:10] <Lynoure> Similarly my main wallet is sometime in this limbo where it is closed but Open does nothing.
[19:10] <Lynoure> (opens it to that same non-functional state)
[19:16] <Lynoure> No Kubuntu users here at all?
[19:23] <gnomie> application title in top panel does not use ubuntu font. :-/
[19:23] <gnomie> [unity2d]
[19:31] <gnomie> ubuntu font is greatest font ever deviced by human!
[19:32] <gnomie> >:(
[19:32] <gnomie> and it not on top panel for apps
[19:36] <gnomie> topic sounds so rwwish
[19:36] <rww> gnomie: first part is me, second part is probably Pici, dunno who wrote the other two
[19:36] <gnomie> :(
[19:37] <gnomie> well. i thought second was you actually
[19:37]  * gnomie takes poker chips back
[19:40]  * gnomie searches launchpad for answers
[19:42] <gnomie> so.. whats that zeitgeist logo.. ? ghost!?  :o  ..with clock face.. sigh. kinda like it though..
[19:52] <gnomie> apport cannot complete bug report. reason: tzdata not up.to.date
[19:53] <gnomie> uh? @.o
[19:54]  * gnomie spots some tzdata updates .. FINE!  >:(
[20:01] <Ian_Corne> :D
[20:01] <blizzow> Is it possible that compiz/Xorg is looking to do window control via IP address or hostname instead of localhost?  It seems my inability to click on windows might be tied to my network connection shifting.
[20:02] <Ian_Corne> i'd say compiz, no, xorg, not sure
[20:02] <Ian_Corne> and I think we can all agree that it shouldn't :p
[20:10] <BrandonBolton> Hello, how do I unencrypt a home drive? A update screwed up Unity for me.
[20:45] <BluesKaj> ok..major upgrade with KDE ...hope it holfds together
[20:54] <komputes> Everyone who upfated today is facing Bug #851055. If this affects you, please mark this bug as such.
[21:16]  * gnomie plugs in usb stick
[21:16] <gnomie> mounted
[21:17] <gnomie> unmounted..
[21:17] <gnomie> looks fine here
[21:21] <cnz> yep I'm hbaving that bug
[21:21] <cnz> having*
[21:26] <blizzow> What a pain in the butt unity has made my life.  I think it's time to start making fvwm2 integrations a little tighter.
[21:28] <BrandonBolton> Did Unity break for anyone today after a update?
[21:35] <spY|da> i only got problems with sound
[21:35] <karlhunt> having issues with network manager cant connect to any wireless networks
[21:36] <karlhunt> anyone experienced this?
[21:36] <spY|da> wired connection
[21:42] <danielc> Is anyone able to use vuze on Oneiric?
[21:43] <danielc> Since the xulrunner-1.9.2 was dropped from Oneiric, I can't use vuze no more. :(
[21:43] <usernamer> Hi, how can I otherise access "startup applications" in 11.10 beta? The normal "startup applications" list is empty.
[21:44] <blizzow> karlhunt: my wireless stays up between 5-30 minutes and then dies for about 10-30 seconds, it comes right back though.
[21:44] <danielc> I mean, I can use partially. I can't use any part of the program that renders html, like the search or rss interface.
[21:44] <blizzow> Not a think in dmesg though.
[21:48] <usernamer> anyone?
[21:48] <IdleOne> usernamer: 11.10 is supported in #ubuntu+1 only
[21:48] <IdleOne> oops
[21:48] <IdleOne> this is the right channel
[21:49] <IdleOne> sorry :)
[21:49] <usernamer> lol
[21:50] <gnomie> >:(
[21:50] <gnomie> anyway, launchpad likes my bugs private, why
[21:50] <usernamer> anybody has my problem???
[21:51] <karlhunt> blizzow, my wireless was working fine but now when i click on wireless network nothing happens it doesnt try to connect
[21:51] <karlhunt> happened after gnome-shell install
[21:51] <karlhunt> also my machine will not shut down
[21:53] <usernamer> karlhunt: can you connect manually?
[21:54] <BrandonBolton> karlhunt: I had weird stuff happen to my machine after a few updates installed. That was one of them. Unity broke on another account. Unity is just fine on root. I find it funny.
[21:55] <usernamer> I have some funny bugs from time to time, like not being able to bring a window to focus with a mouse click, I have to alt-tab it lol
[21:55] <BrandonBolton> Or the classic disappearing mouse icon, I kept getting that also.
[21:57] <usernamer> heheh
[21:59] <usernamer> I wish I knew how to work on these bugs, I'd do the work myself. I just don't know where to start.... I know some bash, but I guess that's not enough heheh.
[22:00] <BrandonBolton> I don't know how to fix them, I would love to know and learn. As for now, I just report the bugs.
[22:01] <usernamer> So where else can I set my startup applications? Maybe manually? The ones in "startup applications" dialog don't show, it's empty.
[22:04] <usernamer> okay, I'll pass, cheers all :)
[22:04] <BrandonBolton> You will probably have to add it manually.
[22:04] <usernamer> g'bye
[22:04] <BrandonBolton> I found a few sources on Google.
[22:04] <usernamer> BrandonBolton:  Do you know where are they added?
[22:20]  * gnomie is gettin' heartburn just by browsing thru bugs list
[22:21] <gnomie> might be related to jabanero peppers i mixed in salad
[22:21] <gnomie> but still...
[22:21] <gnomie> some of these are pretty silly
[22:24] <ChmEarl> habanero>100k heat units.. top of scale
[22:33] <natewiebe> I just installed 11.10 on my laptop and for some reason, after I logged in, it seems I have no privileges.
[22:34] <natewiebe> Though, users and groups shows me as being an admin
[22:34] <natewiebe> is this a known bug?
[22:36] <natewiebe> any ideas?
[22:37] <BrandonBolton> natewiebe, I got that earlier. Did you update it? I had many different bugs after I had updated it.
[22:37] <jakemp> So, sleep isn't working
[22:38] <natewiebe> BrandonBolton: I used the latest livecd (todays). I also selected it to update while installing
[22:38] <natewiebe> BrandonBolton: I also ran updates after the install and that didn't fix anything either
[22:39] <BrandonBolton> natewiebe, It was probably something to do with the updates that it had. After I did it, that's when many things started going wrong. Unity was broke, no rights, nothing.
[22:40] <natewiebe> there was just an update for unity. I'll try reformatting again without selecting to do updates
[22:40] <BrandonBolton> That's what I had to do. I am doing updates right now.
[22:40] <luis_> Hello I am running Ubuntu 11.04 and want to upgrade to 11.10 can someone advise me on the best way to upgrade. I am running duel boot on a AMD64 system
[22:41] <rww> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[22:41] <natewiebe> BrandonBolton: Finally found the bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/851055
[22:41] <BrandonBolton> luis_, Back up your data. All of it. I would do a clean install from a CD image. The upgrade didn't work for me. It corrupted a partition.
[22:41] <gnomie> luis_: update manager should do it .. then again, i prefer to just fresh install from disc
[22:42] <gnomie> brace for impact
[22:42] <luis_> LOL Thanks I will
[22:43] <BrandonBolton> luis_, Do updates as soon as you install. The first thing to pop up is an error message.
[22:43] <natewiebe> Man, the only bad thing about the servall professional from system76 is the 25 min battery. =(
[22:43] <natewiebe> *serval
[22:44] <BrandonBolton> natewiebe, Ah, thank you. Are you referring to your laptop battery? You could try to use powertop.
[22:45] <natewiebe> Yeah, the actual battery is really small. But its made to be a desktop replacement that is semi portable, rather than a casual use laptop.
[22:47] <natewiebe> BrandonBolton: I'll give that a try. Maybe I can squeeze out another 3.7 minutes. =P
[22:48] <BrandonBolton> natewiebe, I saved another hour or so easily. You should look into netbooks, my battery lasts for 6 hours easily with 11.10 and 4-5 hours with 11.04.
[22:49] <natewiebe> Anything is better than 25 minutes. Thanks
[22:50] <poolie> is it a known problem the panel doesn't start in today's unity?
[22:57] <natewiebe_> fixed
[22:58] <natewiebe_> BrandonBolton: I fixed it be downgrading lightdm and liblightdm-gobject-1-0 to 0.9.5-0ubuntu2
[22:59] <natewiebe_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/0.9.5-0ubuntu2
[22:59] <BrandonBolton> natewiebe_, Sweet, so that fixed the Unity errors or the mounting?
[22:59] <natewiebe_> that fixed me not having admin privileges
[23:00] <natewiebe_> BrandonBolton: not sure on the errors
[23:00] <BrandonBolton> natewiebe_, Sweet, thanks for the link.
[23:00] <natewiebe_> BrandonBolton: go to the link, and choose the build on the right hand side, then grab the .deb files and dpkg -i them
[23:02] <natewiebe_> BrandonBolton: hope that helps.
[23:03] <BrandonBolton> natewiebe_, If I get that problem after updates I will do that then. Thank you. :)
[23:03] <natewiebe_> you probably will. its set to critical priority atm. so it will probably be fixed soon anyways.
[23:11] <jakemp> just updated again, sleep still doesn't kick in.
[23:29] <bjsnider> if anybody is doing cd ripping on oneiric, please let me know, as i have a rubyripper build i would like to have tested
[23:39] <FernandoMiguel> hey