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urlin2uBluesKaj, not sure but if you have the multiarch on I think the 32 bit should run, just guessing here.00:01
BluesKajfqalse alarm, I haven't been around today ...just installed flash off the repos ..works now00:02
BluesKajsorry about that I should have checked first00:02
BluesKajokm...later00:02
urlin2uBluesKaj, that a 64 bit?00:02
BluesKajyup00:02
urlin2uBluesKaj, thanks take it easy00:03
MnFishermanhi, i have AMD/ATI drivers installed an they dont work with gnome shell but work fine with Unity.00:10
MnFishermanhi, i have AMD/ATI drivers installed an they dont work with gnome shell but work fine with Unity.00:13
urlin2uMnFisherman, did you install a driver in Natty, or other stuff?00:15
MnFishermanon 11.1000:16
MnFishermanthe closed driver messes up gnome300:16
urlin2uMnFisherman, looked on the web not much exacting info, I just wondered if what makes that set work in natty might transfer to oneric, sounds like no as far as the closed driver.00:17
MnFishermanwas wondering mabye the open one may work00:17
urlin2uI have ati but not amd the ubuntu provided work.00:18
MnFishermanaww the default ackage00:19
MnFishermanp00:19
MnFishermanurlin2u, so youron 11.10 and the ubuntu open driver works fine with gnome3?00:20
urlin2uyeah here is my card,  Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)00:22
urlin2unetbook00:23
urlin2uI think that is ati.00:23
MnFishermani have a ATi HD Radeon00:23
MnFishermanwhere talking diff manufactures00:24
urlin2ua channel ##hardware   probably00:25
MnFishermannono00:25
MnFishermanthis chan is fine for trouble shooting Oneiric, its whats its for00:26
urlin2uI recognize not the same manufacturer, and this is a weak area for me so others will be better, if it was me, and I knew the process of loading drives I would try the open and see.00:27
famineim on a laptop, when I close my lid the laptop goes into sleep...i dont want to it too....how can I set this up?00:29
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famineanyone?00:33
MnFishermanbug reported in launchpad.net #1Microsoft has a majority market share—In ProgressCritical3 hours ago00:34
MnFishermanhaha00:34
faminelike, im going to have to get rid of 11.1000:37
famineif I cant get it not go into sleep when I close my laptops lid00:38
famineokay found it....gnome-tweak-tool00:40
famineor application ----> other ---> advanced settings00:41
timothyHello02:14
timothyafter a set of updates i noticed that the golden compiz snap was removed! yay02:14
nathanelhello all! I am looking for a way to override the default cpu governor on my laptop and force powersave on system start.. anyone knows how to on oneiric?02:41
nathanelhello all! I am looking for a way to override the default cpu governor on my laptop and force powersave on system start.. anyone knows how to on oneiric?02:44
urlin2unathanel, the ppa has oneiric and you can click for what you want .02:45
urlin2uhttp://www.ubuntugeek.com/tag/cpu-frequency-scaling-applet-ubuntu-natty02:46
nathaneli have the cpufreq-indicator02:46
nathaneli want the system to overrride the default on startup..02:46
urlin2unot sure there.02:46
ChmEarlcat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor02:50
nathaneli have to force input of powersave to the file on startup?02:51
nathaneland where can i add such command to be loaded automatically.. i know it would have to be some kind of init no?02:53
escott nathanel rc.local02:53
nathanellocated at?02:53
escottnathanel, /etc/rc.local02:54
nathanelok02:54
nathanelbut to be even more thorough with the issue.. where is the actual system default located?02:55
nathanelwhere does the value originate from ?02:55
escottnathanel, its compiled into the kernel as a kbuild option02:55
nathanelah02:56
nathanelso its the mainstream default then.. got it :)02:56
timothyubuntu 11.10 beta 1 worsened02:56
nathanelthanks for the help02:56
nathanelgonna try it now..  rebooting02:58
nathanelback03:02
nathanelthe rc.local input didnt work... still stuck on ondemand03:02
escottnathanel, you may need to call update-rc.d after modifying rc.local03:05
escottnathanel, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RcLocalHowto03:05
nathanelah.. oops03:06
nathanelthanks for the link03:06
nathanelhello again... the rc.local works on startup but the system then reverts automatically to ondemand.. WTF?03:32
nathanelhelp?03:38
gnomieit could be handy to have a simple terminal session as login option [no X]04:28
gnomiei think i'd like sidepanel icons to be backlit only if the app it points to is running04:35
gnomiei keep thinking it used to be like that at first04:35
gnomiebeta2 will be out in week or so.. sigh04:37
famineis there a way to get apt-get to give you more information? like in gentoo when you install a package you can see where files go, and also what the executable is named04:43
faminelike say I install eterm....how am i suppose to know that the executable is "Eterm" with a capital (i already knew that)04:43
maxagazhi04:48
maxagazare we gonna have a big battle between unity and gnome shell in ubuntu 11.10 ?04:48
micahgmaxagaz: they're both available04:49
maxagazthere a version of oneiric especially for mac ?04:52
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srehi. I am running Ubuntu 11.10 Beta1 and recently I noticed that the Ubuntu normal login isn't presented as a choice for login. I have Gnome shell (with and without effects and recovery), and Ubuntu 2D. I use the fglrx driver which seems to work fairly ok. Anyone have a suggestion on what packages I should try to reinstall to get Unity reinstalled ?08:49
sresorry-- copy paste didn't work08:49
sreI am not quite sure when this issue occurred but after computer boot and login screen is presented I only see Gnome Shell (with and without effects, and recovery) and Ubuntu (Unity 2d).  Any suggestion on what packages I should try reinstalling to get the normal Ubuntu choice for login ?08:50
urlin2usre, look in additional drivers it sounds like your missing a graphics driver.08:58
zetsuhello09:02
sreurlin2u, ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver seem to be enabled and currently in use.09:02
zetsuVmware Workstastion Problem With ubuntu 11.10  ican't compile09:02
urlin2usre, not an area of expertise for me have you rebooted since they were installed ethier by you or the computer didi it.09:03
urlin2uzetsu, have you checked out virtualbox, its a bit easier to set up?09:04
sreurlin2u, indeed. Ubuntu+1 need a reboot regularly on my computer. I could try to install the driver manually09:05
spY|dahi09:05
srezetzu, or maybe downgrade your kernel and kernel source to a supported version.09:06
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chakra888exit10:29
remoteCTRLhi guys!10:31
remoteCTRLi got a few questions about unity10:31
remoteCTRLlike10:31
gaelfxI was trying to use the remote desktop viewer, but when I connected, the picture was tiny, so tiny as to be unusable, and switching to fullscreen simply caused the same size desktop to be shown with a lot of gray around it, is there a way to fix that?10:32
remoteCTRLwhat desktop am i gonna use if ubuntu, as it happens, does not support an intel ign integrated graphics card and has therefore no 3d support?10:32
gaelfxUnity 2D :D10:32
remoteCTRLthat exists?10:32
remoteCTRLwhat is actually the difference between unity and gnome 3? to me that all looks somewhat the same?10:33
gaelfxyes, Unity 2D actually exists, it's the fallback interface for machines without 3d support10:36
gaelfxif you want to see Gnome 3, you can select a gnome 3 session at login, I believe10:36
gaelfxalso, Gnome 3 by default has a visible workspace switcher whenever you open up the file/application browser, and some other default applets that don't seem to be in unity10:39
gaelfxif you really want to see the differences, you should try installing gnome 3 on an arch setup and you will see how gnome 3 differs (I personally think it looks a little better, especially the default background)10:40
remoteCTRLgaelfx: mhm thanks for the info. now i only gotta figure out how to use this stuff, cos up to now unity appears to me to be nothing more than a  avant window navigator with way less features...10:43
gaelfxReally? When was the last time you used AWN? Cause last time I used it, I found it to be rather scant10:44
gaelfxanyways, yes, Unity takes a lot of getting used to, as does gnome 3, but in some ways it is a little more user friendly I think, so long as you know the name of the app you want, it's pretty quick finding it10:44
gaelfxwindowsbutton+<searchstring>=app access :D10:45
gaelfxis there no battery applet? I'd like to know how my battery is doing :S10:57
francisI am using ubuntu 11.10 beta downloaded from daily build of 9/9/2011 everything is working well except streaming web radio.10:59
francisI need help to resolve this issue10:59
cnzI just graded to 11.10 and after wards I can't seem to get my usb drive to mount11:11
cnzand it doesn't auto mount anymore on boot11:11
rigvedcnz: it seems that not many people are online right now. try asking your question again at a later time.11:14
gaelfxcnz: why do you need the USB to mount at boot? Also, does it show up in lsusb?11:16
cnzgaelfx: because I like it to automount on boot11:18
cnzand yes it does show up in lsusb11:18
franciscnz: does your usb show up at all? can you access it even i it does not auto mount?11:18
cnzfrancis: how can it be accessed if it's not mounted?11:19
cwillu_at_workcnz, it should appear in the relevant menus, clicking on it should mount it11:19
cwillu_at_work(i.e., in the sidebar)11:19
francisopen the home button and see if its there11:19
cnzcwillu_at_work: yeah, after the upgrade to 11.10 its no longer on the sidebar11:20
cwillu_at_workcnz, it's not in your fstab is it?11:20
cnzok it won't mount because of permission11:20
cnzit shows up in home folder11:20
cnzwhen I click it says unable to mount not authorized11:20
rigvedcnz: can you confirm that the usb is not listed in /etc/fstab?11:28
cnzrigved: it's not in there11:29
cnzjust sda1 and sda511:30
gaelfxis there any way to get battery info in the top panel?11:31
gaelfxI can see it in power settings, but not on the panel11:32
rigvedcnz: are you able to mount it via the terminal commandline?11:32
cnzrigved: http://pastebin.com/kWg3yJxL11:34
rigvedcnz: ok. so, try putting this in a windows machine. then, you should get the 'Scan and fix problems' dialog automatically. i do not know how to do this in ubuntu but if it's a windows-based fs (like NTFS), it is best to be done in windows itself.11:36
cnzok11:37
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cnzrigved: I did what you suggested11:47
cnzand it wiped the fucking drive11:47
dsdaleanyone know how to disable multiarch on kubuntu?12:02
remoteCTRLgaelfx: well as said i guess i need to watch some utube vids forst in order to figure it out :D12:04
rigvedcnz: did you format the drive? did the dialog say 'Scan and Fix' for filesystem errors or did it say format drive?12:30
knightstalkerDid anyone try Xfce/Lxde using their desktop package on Ubuntu?12:56
knightstalkerDid it work?Last time I tried to install kubuntu-desktop,my Ubuntu died12:56
knightstalkerWant to know if Xfce/Lxde has the same issue(I am really interested in them)12:56
psykehello, sorry to bother you guys, I was just wondering what should I know before upgrading to 11.10 when the time comes. what I mean to say is that I've customized my classic gnome a lot. will it get overwritten by new settings in 11.10? apart from this is anything else I should expect to fix?13:07
coz_psyke,  come to think of it,, I am not sure "classic" gnome is in 11.10, but  stick around here to be sure13:08
coz_psyke,  i do know gnome3 is available on the next release13:09
psykeby classic gnome I mean the 2.32.1 version that can be selected through the login screen13:09
psykeand by upgrading to the next release, will it get uninstalled?13:10
psykei'm totally unfamiliar with the upgrade process13:10
drussellpsyke: yeah, there is no gnome 2.x available in 11.10, the upgrade process will ask you to confirm removing those packages13:11
vega-coz_: gnome3 is available, so you do not need to use unity??13:11
coz_vega-,  I believe that is correct13:11
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coz_vega-,  and if you like compiz  you will have to set gnome3 to "fallback" mode  to use it13:12
psykedrussell: thanks. i'm sure this sounds stupid but will I be required to remove other applications besides gnome2?13:13
coz_unlikely13:13
coz_psyke,  newer versions of the software might be available however,,13:13
drussellpsyke: there's always a few packages that are superceded by different packages13:14
drussellpsyke: but the upgrade process is usually pretty smart and lets you know what its changing13:14
psykeoh, that's what I wanted to know13:14
drussellpsyke: but as always with upgrades... backup first ;o)13:15
psykeany pointers/guides on that?13:15
coz_!backup13:15
ubottuThere are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning13:15
psykebam! :D thanks13:16
drussellcoz_: heh nice :o)13:16
coz_psyke,  save the files you need ,, txt  photos etc13:16
coz_psyke,  pretty typical stuff,,  software however , let the upgrade process  do that,, in all honesty,, I prefer to suggest clean installs over upgrades13:17
psykeI remember that I messed up my system for good when upgrading from or to hardy back in the days13:17
psykeswitched to windows and never came back13:17
coz_psyke,   upgrades are consistently inconsistent13:18
psykenow I'll give this another chance :)13:18
brickhi13:18
drusselllo13:18
psykethanks for the tips guys13:18
coz_psyke,   no need to "give up" any OS  ,, use what you need when you need it13:18
tantrisHi, I have trouble syncing my contacts with ubuntuone in oneiric beta 1, the contacst list in evolution is empty13:19
bricki have a problem with the latest beta, sometimes windows on the desktop become unresponsive, i cannot close them or refocus them using the launcher panel#13:19
brickis there a solution about this?13:19
drussellbrick: fully updated? and what graphics are you using?13:20
brickdrussell: fully upgraded, nvidia restricted drivers13:20
drussellbrick: not seen anything like that I'm afraid... but all my systems are intel gfx13:21
drussellbrick: someone else might comment13:21
brickokay, thanks13:21
BluesKajhiyas all13:23
vega-quite confused about the relationship between gnome3, unity and gnome shell .. do they have anything to do with each other?13:28
XGaryGHas the problem with Ubuntu One syncing in Ubuntu beta 11.10 been fixed?13:29
drussellvega-: in a nutshell (and with slight inconsistencies) Gnome3 could be seen as the underlying libraries, with Gnome Shell and Unity being competing user experiences on top of Gnome313:31
drussellvega-: it's not quite that simple, but that's a reasonable 1 line explanation imho13:32
vega-drussell: ok thanks.. i think i'll give gnome shell a try in virtualbox13:50
drussellvega-: np13:51
vega-hmm, beta1 installation "introduction slides" say evolution mail is included.. i thought thunderbird was the default mail app for 11.10 ?13:55
tantrisHmm are the ubuntu one servers down for sync? I get db_not_found,https://couchdb.one.ubuntu.com/...?13:58
knightstalkervega-,Introduction Slides are not updates14:02
knightstalkerupdated*14:02
knightstalkerThey are Introduction Slides from Natty,notice the Natty Narwhal logo14:02
vega-ah ok14:02
remoteCTRLplease correct me if i am wrong but from what i can see there will be no gnome3 in ubuntu, right?14:03
remoteCTRLthere will only be unity14:03
knightstalkerIt will be only available in repositories14:03
knightstalkerBut preinstalled?No14:03
remoteCTRLunity somewhat looks like gnome 3, fells like gnome 3 but can do half of the things gnome 3 can14:04
knightstalkerIf you are interested,install gnome-shell from Ubuntu Software Center14:04
remoteCTRLknightstalker: you cannot14:04
knightstalkerYou can,I did14:04
remoteCTRLthey took the gnome-shell out of the repos14:04
tantrisis ubuntu one already supported in oneiric?14:04
remoteCTRLnope you cannot14:04
knightstalkerremoteCTRL:did they do it just now?14:04
remoteCTRLjust about, yep...14:05
remoteCTRLdisappointing i have to say...14:05
knightstalkerThen I don't really know,I installed it when it was in the repos14:05
remoteCTRLand according to some post that i found mark shuttleworth musta had some beef with the gnome dudes14:05
vega-oh?14:05
remoteCTRLnow there will be no gnome 3 in ubuntu from what i know14:05
knightstalkerremoteCTRL:They rejected Canonical's help14:06
remoteCTRLjust you imagine14:06
remoteCTRLthis is all sick imho14:06
knightstalkerbut actually,in his blog,he actually celebrated porting gnome-shell to ubuntu14:06
remoteCTRLwe are a university institute with some 40ppl and absofrekinlutely nobody can stand the unity desktop14:06
knightstalkerI am updating my repository's cache,lets see what happens,my internet is a bit slow14:06
remoteCTRLso it looks like we are switching to fedora -.-14:06
vega-ok, beta1 installed, logged in and opened a terminal: "sorry unity 2d panel closed unexpectedly"14:07
remoteCTRLhe did?14:07
remoteCTRLvega-: rofl...14:07
knightstalkerremoteCTRL:sure14:07
knightstalkerlet me give you the URL14:07
remoteCTRLya please14:07
knightstalkerhttp://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/66914:08
knightstalkerremoteCTRL:hmm:14:10
knightstalkerhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/gnome-shell14:10
knightstalkerUbuntu Packages report that gnome-shell still exists on universe repository14:10
remoteCTRLinteresting...14:11
remoteCTRLi dont get it14:12
remoteCTRLits all confusing14:12
remoteCTRLand on top of that i just ruined something in compiz causing it to switch wievports and apps in decades...14:12
remoteCTRLmeaning it takes like for ever, superslow animation :D14:12
* knightstalker has no idea about compiz :(,sowwy!14:14
knightstalkerlast time I just purged stuff and reinstalled them... :p14:14
remoteCTRLhehehe14:16
remoteCTRLhell yeah.... me luuuvs it...14:16
knightstalkerremoteCTRL:check your APT list14:21
knightstalker500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ oneiric/universe i386 Packages14:21
knightstalkerAfter a full cache update14:22
knightstalkergnome-shell is intact14:22
remoteCTRLknightstalker: i am still on natty i am just doing my homework for the release upgrade...14:22
knightstalkerOhh...14:22
remoteCTRLout professors wont like it...14:22
knightstalkerThen thats why14:22
knightstalkerNatty's gnome-shell is either very old,or not gnome-shell as we know it at all14:22
remoteCTRLit used to be there in natty but they took it out i dummo why14:23
remoteCTRLwell it basically has the same version number as the one required by gnome3 so i dont get it at all...14:23
knightstalkerremoteCTRL:Not sure,but I am almost certain that there are some experimental ways to install it14:23
knightstalkerlike PPA's14:23
knightstalkerPPAs*14:23
remoteCTRLcan be...14:23
remoteCTRLfor now i need to get my compiz fixed cos this is seriously annoying :D14:24
knightstalkerlol,sure14:24
knightstalkerItake a look at versions till you get that fixed14:24
knightstalkerversion 3.1.90.1-0ubuntu4 is in Oneiric,yeah,can't see Natty,but next in line is 2.31.5 on Maverick14:26
knightstalkerhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell14:26
knightstalkerTake a look yourself when you have time,Its available on Oneiric/Maverick/Lucid14:26
knightstalkerbut Maverick/Lucid edition is ancient14:26
knightstalkerMore then 46 weeks old,while Oneiric's Gnome-shell was uploaded 6 days ago14:26
vega-ok, beta updated with latest updates, gnome-shell installed.. now what? how do i choose it at login14:26
vega-i have "gnome", "ubuntu" and "ubuntu 2d" choices ... is it "gnome"?14:27
knightstalkerYes14:27
vega-ok14:27
vega-"failed to load session "gnome""  .. and then there's a "log out" button below14:28
vega-fail, should i say..14:28
knightstalkerHmm,you have your Graphic Driver installed?14:29
vega-hmm, don't know, just installed beta1, card is nvidia14:30
vega-i should install propr. drivers?14:30
knightstalkerHmm,I didn't need them...14:30
remoteCTRLvega-: hold it right there!14:31
vega-..14:31
remoteCTRLdpkg -l "*nvidia*" says what?14:31
remoteCTRLoh so you never have actually been on the desktop?14:31
vega-i just installed this in virtualbox14:32
vega-completely fresh14:32
remoteCTRLi see... in that case there is no nvidia driver running14:32
vega-run dist-upgrade after beta1 .iso was installed14:32
remoteCTRLmhm14:32
vega-actually now it says new drivers available14:32
remoteCTRLso there you go! :)14:33
vega-let's see what happens.. although have to go for now14:33
knightstalkerPfft,"WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!"14:34
knightstalkerI am just doing an apt-get upgrade :p14:34
knightstalkerapt-get update might fix it or not?,I am updating using official ubuntu repositories14:35
remoteCTRLwell sry guys but i gotta run for the bus14:41
remoteCTRLcay soon:)14:41
faminehow do I start compiz14:47
famineim in gnome314:47
famineand type compiz --replace14:47
famineit doesnt seem to work14:47
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bullgard4Is the java runtime environment version 1.6.0_23 the correct one for Oneiric?14:50
zniavrefamine,  using 'fusion-icon' ?14:50
zniavrecaramba ...14:51
rigvedhi everyone. in lucid, when i would right click on a folder that was synced on ubuntu one, i would get an option to "Publish via Ubuntu One". in oneiric, i cannot see this option even though the files are synced properly.14:51
rigvedbullgard4: it seems that it is. even i have the same version.14:53
bullgard4rigved: Thank you very much for your help.14:55
rigvedbullgard4: you are welcome14:55
jebladTried to upgrade to 11.10 on a netbook Acer One (A110 I guess) and it hangs on download for xserver and it seems like it is related to radeon14:57
jeblad(just copy pasting from the main channel)14:58
jebladThe error message is "Failed to fetch blablabla Connection failed"14:58
jebladthe url generated is simply wrong, the roor dir at that server does not exist14:59
faminehow can I have mutter start with gnome3?15:01
jeffrashWhen is the 11.10 Beta 2 release?15:07
jeffrashNevermind, I found it15:08
jeffrashSeptember 22nd, 2011 - Beta 2 release15:08
jeffrashOctober 13th, 2011 - Final release of Ubuntu 11.1015:08
faminecan someone tell me how to add mutter to my startup in gnome3/ubuntu? im new to graphical logins and ubuntu (used to use gentoo) in gentoo id just add 'exec mutter' to my .xinitrc15:08
faminehow is this done in gnome3?15:08
rigvedfamine: you can ask again later when there are more people around who can help.15:10
famineit seems like a simple question15:11
faminei just need to add mutter to startup15:11
jeffrashfamine_, gnome-session-properties15:13
IdleOneguessing here but install mutter then sudo dpkg-reconfigure mutter15:13
faminenaw, had to create a file in ~/.config/autostart15:14
jeffrashcan't you just add it into the list via "gnome-session-properties"?15:15
jeffrashThat's were I setup autostart for everything15:15
famineahhh15:15
famineyeah15:15
faminethat would work too15:15
faminemaking a file in ,config/autostart is the manual way of adding stuff to gnome-session-properties15:16
faminei didnt know about gnome-session-properties untill you mentioned it though :)15:16
t0m_hi I have just done an upgrade oneiric beta from natty. I think my user is now no longer the administrator and was wondering if there had been a change in the group used15:16
famineanother question, is there a control panel for mutter? or somewhere where I can see all the effects that mutter can do and how to do them15:17
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BluesKajhmm, suddenly cdrom won't mount ..."mount: can't find /dev/cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab" , I thought there was no longer any need for it to be listed , any suggestions15:46
jeffrashfamine, is motter the keyboard shortcut utility?16:20
jeffrashfamine, mutter16:20
jeffrashfamine, check "gnome-control-center" under keyboard16:23
jeffrashfamine, sorry I don't think my suggestion is right16:25
jeffrashnot sure what mutter is16:25
Ian_Cornemutter is like compiz and metacity16:27
Ian_Corne!info mutter16:27
ubottumutter (source: mutter): lightweight GTK+ window manager. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.1.90.1-0ubuntu1 (oneiric), package size 36 kB, installed size 392 kB16:27
blizzowokay, I'm getting tired of having my windows stop responding.  I have to open a new terminal and click xkill on windows after a while.  The programs look okay in top.  It's like the Window manager is just pooping the bed.16:37
blizzowHas anyone seen this behaviour?16:37
Jcook_5xDataI need some help I am unable to mount  any ext device like dvd and usb I check group(term) I am part of the plugdev I am not sure what wrong16:38
Jcook_5xDatablizzow, yup, I think it a compiz thing. compiz is very crashy for me as well16:41
genii-aroundTrying to remove kde-zeroconf wants to also remove kubuntu-desktop16:44
Jcook_5xDatagenii-around, kubuntu-desktop is a meta-package it should be safe to remove. I do it all the time when remove gwibber on ubuntu16:53
gnomie^16:54
gnomiebut, check for other dependencies listed in that removal though.. if any16:55
Jcook_5xDatagenii-around, I not sure why you want to remove zeroconf it configure networking16:55
Jcook_5xDatagenii-around, http://www.zeroconf.org/16:56
Jcook_5xData:) now if someone can help figure out my ext drive not mounting :P16:57
maxagazhi16:57
Jcook_5xDatahi16:57
maxagazI've installed oneiric in a virtual box and I can't switch to gnome shell (the deb is installed)16:58
maxagazat the login screen, I can chose gnome, ubuntu, ubuntu 2D, that's it16:58
Jcook_5xDataclick the gear at the login screen and choose gnome16:58
maxagazwhen I chose gnome, I get an error message16:59
maxagazand it goes back to the login screen16:59
maxagazFailed to load sessions "gnome"16:59
Jcook_5xDatayou are using 11.10 right17:00
maxagazyes17:00
Jcook_5xDataif so go to term and type 'sudo apt-get instal gnome-shell'17:00
genii-aroundJcook_5xData: Because it interferes with my routing17:00
Jcook_5xDatasound like you are missing the gnome 3 theme17:00
Jcook_5xDatagenii-around, just checking :)17:01
maxagazJcook_5xData, I did sudo apt-get instal gnome-shell already17:01
blizzowI want to change the window manager to focus on the window where the mouse is but not raise the window.  How do I do this in Unity?17:02
Jcook_5xDatasudo apt-get install gnome-shell --reinstall I have install more then once on 11.10 so I know it work I did get this problem on 1117:03
blizzowI went into the settings and all I could find was a background manager and themes manager.  I went into the mouse settings and it's not there either.17:03
Jcook_5xData.04 using ppa17:03
Jcook_5xDatablizzow, I think you need ubuntu-tweak < be careful I not sure how much is update to 11.10 yet - or see if you can find the setting in gconf-editor17:05
maxagazit's a good thing that we can now switch easily between unity and gnome shell17:05
maxagazand gnome 217:05
maxagaznot gnome2 ?17:05
rwwUbuntu oneiric uses GNOME 3, not GNOME 2.17:05
rwwNotably, this also means that gconf-editor is mostly useless.17:06
rww!notunity17:06
ubottuTo use GNOME Shell on Oneiric, install the "gnome-shell" package and investigate "gnome-tweak-tool". For GNOME Fallback mode, which is similar to GNOME 2, install "gnome-panel". Both packages will place a new entry in the Sessions dropdown on the login window.17:06
* gnomie ponders about some folk having 'gnome' as a login option..; certainly not a default option on 11.1017:09
maxagazit's a pity to have unity and gnome shell, I really don't understand why canonical did unity instead of working on gnome shell17:10
maxagazat last, one will disappear for the other17:11
jakempHow do I change unity back to only alt tabbing within its viewport/virtual desktop17:11
Jcook_5xDataanyone else have the problem where they can not mount ext media? I get "Not Authorized" when trying to mount/ access but dvd and usb17:11
gnomieJcook_5xData: tried sudo nautilus and see if you can get?17:12
maxagazand I don't unity can win in front of gnome shell which is supported by a larger community17:12
jakempalso, compiz seems to be crashing at the drop of a hat this last week.17:12
Jcook_5xDataI can install  programs & use sudo. also the unlock on my user info page is grayed out17:12
gnomiemaxagaz: understanding or not, unity is whats up. disliking it is not going to make it go away. beta2 out in about a week from now.17:13
Jcook_5xDatagnomie, when I do my usb does not even show up17:15
gnomie:-/17:16
Jcook_5xDataunder me it does17:16
gnomielooks like you need to investigate what's happening with your user/group permissions17:17
gnomiebut you already know that17:17
Jcook_5xDatayea I look at my group file in /etc/group and compared it to another box that is fine all the group I need to be are part of are the same17:19
gnomieJcook_5xData: not a fix but if you in need access to info, you can try mounting your media using livecd17:25
jakemp=/ I lost my unity bars.17:28
gnomie!reset17:28
Ian_Cornejakemp: check ccsm and see if the unity plugin is enabled17:28
Ian_Cornegnomie: that doesn't help I think17:28
gnomiewhy not17:28
imnicholLibreoffice keeps crashing17:28
jakempIan_Corne, I mean like, just now, something crashed17:29
imnicholThat's what i get for running the beta as production17:29
jakempI think I need to restart something17:29
gnomiejakemp: terminal~$ unity --reset17:29
gnomiehm17:30
Ian_Corneoh17:31
jakempokay, so it crashed. Now all I have is Xchat and a terminal. I think this might be because I rebooted on battery17:34
mrdebhi how is the oneric today17:35
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imnicholstill buggy17:45
imnicholAs usual.  Getting better17:45
antiheroHey, can't get display working17:45
antiheroFatal error: No Screens Found17:45
antihero"Warning this server has video driver ABI of 11.0 that this driver does not officially support"17:47
antihero"User the -IgnoreABI option to get over it"17:48
antiheroWhere in the hell would I use that?17:48
antiheroThen it Unloads "nvidia" module and fails to load the X server17:48
antiheroffs17:48
antiherohello?17:48
antiherois *anyone* there?17:48
Ian_CorneYes17:49
Ian_Cornealot of people are17:49
Ian_CorneAnd if they know the answer, they'll say it17:50
antiherohow would I "Use the -IgnoreABI option"17:50
antihero:\17:50
antihero ─µ·17:50
antiheroshoot sorry17:50
Ian_Cornehttp://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=11151617:50
Ian_Cornein xorg17:50
Ian_CorneI think17:51
antiheroaasdasdasdasdasd17:51
antiherooops sorry again17:51
antiheromy terminal has decided to be off the bottom of the screen :(17:51
antiherowas just looking at that thread17:51
antiheroIgnoreABI got the server to boo17:52
antiherobut then it's just blank17:52
antiheroany idea how to add that switch with kdm17:55
jMCgHello happy people o/~17:58
jMCgI just ran an upgrade to oneiric and there are couple of things which appear broken.17:58
jMCgIn particular: flasplugin-installer (and all of it's dependencies), libreoffice and I think that's it.17:59
jMCg(I thought wine was too, but it isn't..)18:00
jMCgAnyway.. I should reboot and see if this thing comes back up (:18:02
BluesKajjMCg, make sure multiarch is enabled if you're on 64 bit18:04
Ian_Corneantihero: my guess would be in the launch scripts18:06
jMCgaaah.... darkness.18:08
jMCgSwitching to lightdm might might have been a premature choice.18:08
maxagazI tried to reinstall gnome-shell, but I still get:  Failed to load session "gnome", at the login18:08
jMCgBluesKaj: how do I enable multiarch?18:09
jMCgman dpkg or man dpkg.cfg aren't very helpful :-/18:11
urlin2ujMCg, you judt updated it probably is .18:11
urlin2ujust18:12
IAmNotThatGuyjMCg, http://techspear.com/2011/08/how-to-make-flash-player-working-in-ubuntu-oneiric/ and http://techspear.com/2011/08/nspluginwrapper-update-installation-failed-error/ might help I think18:12
jMCgurlin2u: no is not.18:12
* jMCg installs gpm18:13
urlin2ujMCg, this is a wiki on prebeta this may help.18:14
urlin2ujMCg, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview/Beta118:14
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urlin2ujMCg, you may aor may not know that when you upgrade your 3rd party and extra repos are commented out.18:15
urlin2uor*18:15
urlin2ucheck them for compatibility before uncommenting jMCg18:16
antiheroso basically people on nvidia are screwed if they updated today18:17
BluesKajantihero, blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf18:18
antiheroBluesKaj: what should I blacklist?18:18
jMCg  Driver: "i915"18:18
antiherowhat exactly is that?18:19
BluesKajwhat nvidia driver are you running atm18:19
BluesKajantihero, ^18:19
antihero"nvidia-current"18:19
antihero285.03-0-ubuntu1~edgets~oneiric418:20
jMCgO_o18:21
jMCgnow that I enabled foreign architecture i386 and try to install flashplayer-plugin it wants to do: http://sprunge.us/CODL18:22
Ian_Corneyes18:23
Ian_Cornethat's normal18:23
BluesKajhmm, my nvidia-current is the 280.13 , but my card is pretty close to entry level pcie , 8400gs18:23
Ian_Corneexcept the dependencies18:23
jMCgBut... what good is flashplugin-installer in 32bit, when my browser is 64bit?18:23
jMCgI'd have to re-install that too.18:23
Ian_Cornenvidia-current: Installed: (none) Candidate: 280.13-0ubuntu318:24
Ian_CorneI think so jMCg18:25
Ian_CorneI personaly go for the 64 bit beta18:25
Ian_Cornefrom sevenmachien's ppa18:25
jMCgBut that's even buggier, IIRC.18:26
antiherogonna reebots18:26
jMCgaaanyway.18:26
Ian_Cornebuggier?18:26
Ian_CorneI don't notice any bugs :p18:26
BluesKajIan_Corne, my sevenmachines ppa is no longer valid ...install flash from the repos after it stopped working yesterday18:26
jMCgAfter reboot: lightdm presents a blank screen and I can see my mouse.18:26
BluesKajerr installed18:26
Ian_Corneoh?18:27
jMCgThis might be due to my multi-monitor setup, but.. I don't see what to type (hence now in console)18:27
jMCgmmmm...18:28
jMCgIs lightdm accessability enabled?18:28
jMCgThat way I could *hear* what is on the screen and login :)18:28
BluesKajIan_Corne, I kept getting the message that the gpg key wasn't recognized, after i tried to re-edit the sources.list by adding the ppa18:30
jMCgCan someone guide me through it? Can I just enter my name/tab/password? Or do I have to click somewhere? Can I do that without clicking? etc..18:30
urlin2uBluesKaj, do you get the missing key in a update?18:30
BluesKajurlin2u, no I just instaaled from the repos ..they must have added it18:31
Ian_Corneit works for me BluesKaj18:31
Ian_CorneI think18:31
urlin2uBluesKaj, yeah if you use the sudo apt repositorty load it gets the key.18:31
BluesKajI noticed missing plugins message yesterday when I opened my browser18:32
BluesKajsomehow the ppa got stripped out of the sources.list . so after adding it again I got the gpg error message , so I removed the ppa from the soureces.list , then I updated and installed the flash installer again18:34
BluesKajnow a it's good18:35
gnomiejMCg: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins19:07
LynoureThere is something really weird in my KDE wallet management19:07
LynoureCould some Kubuntu user try these steps for me? Open the kwalletmanager19:08
Lynourethen File -> Create new wallet19:08
LynoureFor me it seems to create a new wallet, even to open it, but never asks for a passphrase for that, and never shows it in kwalletmanager, let alone letting me to actually add anything to that wallet19:09
LynoureSimilarly my main wallet is sometime in this limbo where it is closed but Open does nothing.19:10
Lynoure(opens it to that same non-functional state)19:10
LynoureNo Kubuntu users here at all?19:16
gnomieapplication title in top panel does not use ubuntu font. :-/19:23
gnomie[unity2d]19:23
gnomieubuntu font is greatest font ever deviced by human!19:31
gnomie>:(19:32
gnomieand it not on top panel for apps19:32
gnomietopic sounds so rwwish19:36
rwwgnomie: first part is me, second part is probably Pici, dunno who wrote the other two19:36
gnomie:(19:36
gnomiewell. i thought second was you actually19:37
* gnomie takes poker chips back19:37
* gnomie searches launchpad for answers19:40
gnomieso.. whats that zeitgeist logo.. ? ghost!?  :o  ..with clock face.. sigh. kinda like it though..19:42
gnomieapport cannot complete bug report. reason: tzdata not up.to.date19:52
gnomieuh? @.o19:53
* gnomie spots some tzdata updates .. FINE! >:(19:54
Ian_Corne:D20:01
blizzowIs it possible that compiz/Xorg is looking to do window control via IP address or hostname instead of localhost?  It seems my inability to click on windows might be tied to my network connection shifting.20:01
Ian_Cornei'd say compiz, no, xorg, not sure20:02
Ian_Corneand I think we can all agree that it shouldn't :p20:02
BrandonBoltonHello, how do I unencrypt a home drive? A update screwed up Unity for me.20:10
BluesKajok..major upgrade with KDE ...hope it holfds together20:45
komputesEveryone who upfated today is facing Bug #851055. If this affects you, please mark this bug as such.20:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 851055 in Ubuntu "Gnome cannot mount hotplugged storage device. Not Authorized." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/85105520:54
* gnomie plugs in usb stick21:16
gnomiemounted21:16
gnomieunmounted..21:17
gnomielooks fine here21:17
cnzyep I'm hbaving that bug21:21
cnzhaving*21:21
blizzowWhat a pain in the butt unity has made my life.  I think it's time to start making fvwm2 integrations a little tighter.21:26
BrandonBoltonDid Unity break for anyone today after a update?21:28
spY|dai only got problems with sound21:35
karlhunthaving issues with network manager cant connect to any wireless networks21:35
karlhuntanyone experienced this?21:36
spY|dawired connection21:36
danielcIs anyone able to use vuze on Oneiric?21:42
danielcSince the xulrunner-1.9.2 was dropped from Oneiric, I can't use vuze no more. :(21:43
usernamerHi, how can I otherise access "startup applications" in 11.10 beta? The normal "startup applications" list is empty.21:43
blizzowkarlhunt: my wireless stays up between 5-30 minutes and then dies for about 10-30 seconds, it comes right back though.21:44
danielcI mean, I can use partially. I can't use any part of the program that renders html, like the search or rss interface.21:44
blizzowNot a think in dmesg though.21:44
usernameranyone?21:48
IdleOneusernamer: 11.10 is supported in #ubuntu+1 only21:48
IdleOneoops21:48
IdleOnethis is the right channel21:48
IdleOnesorry :)21:49
usernamerlol21:49
gnomie>:(21:50
gnomieanyway, launchpad likes my bugs private, why21:50
usernameranybody has my problem???21:50
karlhuntblizzow, my wireless was working fine but now when i click on wireless network nothing happens it doesnt try to connect21:51
karlhunthappened after gnome-shell install21:51
karlhuntalso my machine will not shut down21:51
usernamerkarlhunt: can you connect manually?21:53
BrandonBoltonkarlhunt: I had weird stuff happen to my machine after a few updates installed. That was one of them. Unity broke on another account. Unity is just fine on root. I find it funny.21:54
usernamerI have some funny bugs from time to time, like not being able to bring a window to focus with a mouse click, I have to alt-tab it lol21:55
BrandonBoltonOr the classic disappearing mouse icon, I kept getting that also.21:55
usernamerheheh21:57
usernamerI wish I knew how to work on these bugs, I'd do the work myself. I just don't know where to start.... I know some bash, but I guess that's not enough heheh.21:59
BrandonBoltonI don't know how to fix them, I would love to know and learn. As for now, I just report the bugs.22:00
usernamerSo where else can I set my startup applications? Maybe manually? The ones in "startup applications" dialog don't show, it's empty.22:01
usernamerokay, I'll pass, cheers all :)22:04
BrandonBoltonYou will probably have to add it manually.22:04
usernamerg'bye22:04
BrandonBoltonI found a few sources on Google.22:04
usernamerBrandonBolton:  Do you know where are they added?22:04
* gnomie is gettin' heartburn just by browsing thru bugs list22:20
gnomiemight be related to jabanero peppers i mixed in salad22:21
gnomiebut still...22:21
gnomiesome of these are pretty silly22:21
ChmEarlhabanero>100k heat units.. top of scale22:24
natewiebeI just installed 11.10 on my laptop and for some reason, after I logged in, it seems I have no privileges.22:33
natewiebeThough, users and groups shows me as being an admin22:34
natewiebeis this a known bug?22:34
natewiebeany ideas?22:36
BrandonBoltonnatewiebe, I got that earlier. Did you update it? I had many different bugs after I had updated it.22:37
jakempSo, sleep isn't working22:37
natewiebeBrandonBolton: I used the latest livecd (todays). I also selected it to update while installing22:38
natewiebeBrandonBolton: I also ran updates after the install and that didn't fix anything either22:38
BrandonBoltonnatewiebe, It was probably something to do with the updates that it had. After I did it, that's when many things started going wrong. Unity was broke, no rights, nothing.22:39
natewiebethere was just an update for unity. I'll try reformatting again without selecting to do updates22:40
BrandonBoltonThat's what I had to do. I am doing updates right now.22:40
luis_Hello I am running Ubuntu 11.04 and want to upgrade to 11.10 can someone advise me on the best way to upgrade. I am running duel boot on a AMD64 system22:40
rwwsudo do-release-upgrade -d22:41
natewiebeBrandonBolton: Finally found the bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/85105522:41
ubottuUbuntu bug 851055 in lightdm (Ubuntu Oneiric) "[Oneiric] 'Not Authorized' error given when mounting device" [Critical,Triaged]22:41
BrandonBoltonluis_, Back up your data. All of it. I would do a clean install from a CD image. The upgrade didn't work for me. It corrupted a partition.22:41
gnomieluis_: update manager should do it .. then again, i prefer to just fresh install from disc22:41
gnomiebrace for impact22:42
luis_LOL Thanks I will22:42
BrandonBoltonluis_, Do updates as soon as you install. The first thing to pop up is an error message.22:43
natewiebeMan, the only bad thing about the servall professional from system76 is the 25 min battery. =(22:43
natewiebe*serval22:43
BrandonBoltonnatewiebe, Ah, thank you. Are you referring to your laptop battery? You could try to use powertop.22:44
natewiebeYeah, the actual battery is really small. But its made to be a desktop replacement that is semi portable, rather than a casual use laptop.22:45
natewiebeBrandonBolton: I'll give that a try. Maybe I can squeeze out another 3.7 minutes. =P22:47
BrandonBoltonnatewiebe, I saved another hour or so easily. You should look into netbooks, my battery lasts for 6 hours easily with 11.10 and 4-5 hours with 11.04.22:48
natewiebeAnything is better than 25 minutes. Thanks22:49
poolieis it a known problem the panel doesn't start in today's unity?22:50
natewiebe_fixed22:57
natewiebe_BrandonBolton: I fixed it be downgrading lightdm and liblightdm-gobject-1-0 to 0.9.5-0ubuntu222:58
natewiebe_https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/0.9.5-0ubuntu222:59
BrandonBoltonnatewiebe_, Sweet, so that fixed the Unity errors or the mounting?22:59
natewiebe_that fixed me not having admin privileges22:59
natewiebe_BrandonBolton: not sure on the errors23:00
BrandonBoltonnatewiebe_, Sweet, thanks for the link.23:00
natewiebe_BrandonBolton: go to the link, and choose the build on the right hand side, then grab the .deb files and dpkg -i them23:00
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natewiebe_BrandonBolton: hope that helps.23:02
BrandonBoltonnatewiebe_, If I get that problem after updates I will do that then. Thank you. :)23:03
natewiebe_you probably will. its set to critical priority atm. so it will probably be fixed soon anyways.23:03
jakempjust updated again, sleep still doesn't kick in.23:11
bjsniderif anybody is doing cd ripping on oneiric, please let me know, as i have a rubyripper build i would like to have tested23:29
FernandoMiguelhey23:39

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