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ppisatihallo? :)15:01
NCommander#startmeeting15:01
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ogra_fnop15:01
ppisatifput()15:01
ogra_:)15:01
* davidm_ waves15:01
NCommander#link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2011/2011091515:01
NCommander[topic] Action Item Review15:01
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NCommander[topic] ogra to find out whats wrong with the tracker15:01
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ogra_thats moot15:02
ogra_we had the wrong url15:02
NCommanderah, so a PEBKAC problem15:02
* NCommander can't spell this mornming15:02
ogra_heh15:02
NCommander[topic] Standing Items15:03
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NCommander[topic] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-arm.html15:03
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NCommander[link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-arm-ubuntu-11.10-beta-2.html15:03
janimohello15:03
* ogra_ has a question for one of his items ... 15:04
ogra_do we actually want to do the ext4 switch right now ?15:04
ogra_it seriously seems a bit late to me for such a change15:05
NCommanderfor preinstalls?15:05
ogra_yes15:05
ogra_live-build only recently got support for ext415:05
janimoogra_, would be good imo, does live-build have the patch already? (In Ubuntu I mean)15:05
ogra_so we could theoretically still do the switch15:05
GrueMasterShould have been done for A2/A3.  Little late now.15:05
ogra_but that also means lots of fallount i think15:05
NCommanderBest to stay with ext3 for now, and change it for A1 in P cycle15:05
ogra_janimo, no idea, but we could pull it in15:05
ogra_but i'm more in a tendency to postpone it15:06
janimoogra_, not a very important thing, just a would be nice to align with ubuntu x86 and linaro15:06
ogra_yeah15:06
ogra_i agree15:06
NCommanderdefinately something for next cycle15:06
ogra_but beta freeze is tomorrow and the images still have tons of bugs15:06
janimowith linaro's monthly schedule we will always have stale images featurewise for a few months15:06
* NCommander adds it to the blueprint list15:06
janimosure15:06
janimoNCommander, blueprint wiki link please?15:07
GrueMasterBeta freeze is today.15:07
janimoSo it is not a real freeze, just a beta one15:07
GrueMaster[link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/PBlueprintIdeas15:07
NCommanderhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/PBlueprintIdeas#preview15:07
NCommanderdrat, GrueMaster was faster15:08
ogra_GrueMaster, well, past midnight for me ;)15:08
ogra_NCommander, GrueMaster was cleaner :P15:08
NCommander[topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey)15:09
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NCommanderserver itself looks like its in good shape for A2, though we have some outstanding OMAP issues which I'll bring up during porting15:10
NCommanderanyone got anything else?15:10
janimois mx5 related to server in any way?15:12
ogra_no15:12
ogra_we dont roll server for it15:12
NCommanderGuess there's nothing else15:13
NCommander[topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati)15:13
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ppisatiit's me, Paolo! :)15:13
ogra_yay15:14
ppisatithere;s a new omap4 kernel15:14
ppisatiand this new kernel fixes some outstanding issues: framebuffer coloring, audio, and a couple of warnings on boot15:14
janimothere's a new ac100 kernel upload preparing to fix the USB speed issue and to enable DRM but nothing else15:14
ogra_framebuffer coloring ? are you serious ?!?15:15
ppisatiunfortunately the new kernel breaks the pvr driver, but that should be fixed in an upcoming release15:15
ppisatiyep15:15
ppisati:)15:15
* ogra_ got used to the blue after all these releases15:15
ppisatino more "smurf-colored" console15:15
ppisati:)15:15
mahmohthe USB speed issue is fixed already in the omap4 kernel?15:15
ppisatioh yes15:15
ogra_yes15:15
ppisatisorry15:15
ppisatii forgot about the important stuff15:15
NCommanderI thought purple in d-i was intentional15:15
ppisatiyes, Ming's ehci fix is in there too15:15
ppisatiso, good usb i/o too15:16
ogra_NCommander, but blue text in black tty console wasnt ;)15:16
ppisatinow we "only" need to fix pm and pvr driver and that will be the best omap release so far :)15:16
ppisatioh yes, and kexec too...15:16
ogra_wohoo15:16
ogra_on the ac100 front, janimo takles over the ac100 kernel now15:17
ogra_so we will finally get a git tree i guess :)15:17
* ppisati didn't mention the usual round of kernel updates for all the other arm flavours since we are getting one of this every week15:17
ppisaticool15:17
NCommanderyay git15:17
ogra_pfft git15:17
Ursinhalol15:18
* Ursinha grabs the popcorn and watches15:18
ogra_lol15:18
ppisatiand it seems cooloney is back15:18
ogra_oh, nice, will he come back and attend then ?15:18
janimoyay git15:18
janimo2:115:18
ppisatiah, dunno15:19
Davieyrbasak: Around?15:19
ppisatiperhaps he will move to West Europe/US? :)15:19
rbasakDaviey: yes!15:20
NCommanderanytihng else or should move on?15:20
ppisatimove15:20
ogra_go15:20
NCommander[topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)15:20
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ogra_horrid !15:20
ogra_wrt universe15:20
janimogiven back a few packages15:21
ogra_main looks okayish15:21
ogra_i went through all ftbfs logs the last days15:21
janimonothing actually changed/fixed but that15:21
ogra_70-80% of the arm ftbfs are GLES stuff15:21
NCommanderOn the OMAP3 side, netboot remains broken, fix there should be forthcoming today15:21
ogra_some libavcodec15:21
janimowe probably get to fix pgsql unless upstream is on it15:21
ogra_and a bunch of qreal15:22
janimoogasawara, 70-80? I doubt it is that much. I would have thought it is around 30%15:22
janimoneeds to be counted :)15:22
ogra_rsalveti, do you have any std reciepe for GLES issues ?15:22
* rsalveti reading15:22
GrueMasterGuys, check your name tab completion.15:22
ogra_the ftbfs wikipage could need some code examples etc15:22
janimoogra_, I think those apps need porting to GLES or have that code disabled.15:22
rsalvetiogra_: not for now, planned to discuss at UDS15:23
janimoit is very app specific15:23
rsalvetibecause the apps need porting15:23
ogra_janimo, well, if its just: change dep, switch configure options and build ...15:23
ogra_some apps have gles support15:23
ogra_but haent got it enabled15:23
NCommanderon OMAP4, I've been grinding away at updating partman-uboot/partman-reciepes for the last week and some before I went for vacation15:23
* ogra_ resarched some of them 15:23
NCommanderIts 95% working but still has some odds and ends. I've talked to skaet about it, and I'm expecting it to land tonight/tomorrow15:24
janimoogra_, the Qt ones cannot work as they use GLES and OPENGL in the same time15:25
janimoand those are quite a few15:25
ogra_right15:25
ogra_i mean the ones that are ported upstream but where the build behaves like on x8615:25
rsalvetidon't believe we have much of those still15:26
ogra_not many, but a few15:26
rsalvetimost of the issues are from the qt gl x gles issue15:26
ogra_stellarium is a prominent one15:26
ogra_and there are a few others15:27
ogra_anyway, i dont want to slow the meeting15:27
ogra_NCommander, move :)15:27
NCommander[topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)15:28
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ogra_so so ...15:28
ogra_we had some issues with the build system that hopefully shoudl be resolved15:28
ogra_lamont, replaced something on annonaceae since then omap and mx5 builds seem to hang15:29
ogra_i pinged him but he doesnt seem to be around, i'll hunt down someone else from IS later15:29
ogra_ac100 images build and install fine, mx5 should be building fine too now15:30
janimoogra_, so the lack of today's images is due to above breakage?15:30
ogra_oh and archive skew costed us three days of images this week15:30
janimoindeed ac100 is working fine15:30
janimonice, less than it costs on average :)15:30
* NCommander whacks janimo 15:30
ogra_janimo, yes, annonaceae doesnt build anything apparently, i suspect an ssh key was replaced or so15:31
ogra_NCommander, anything to add for the server or netinst images15:31
ogra_?15:31
NCommanderjust the previous methoned partman-uboot hacking for OMAP3/4, and the f-k fix15:32
ogra_move then :)15:33
NCommander[topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh)15:33
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GrueMasterAll kernel SRU testing for systems on life support completed this week.15:33
GrueMasterMost of the testing for server is no finished, at least for a once over.15:33
GrueMasterMy only beagleXM has an odd issue with the latest x-loader/u-boot where it will no longer connect to the network.  Driver loads, but it will not show a link.15:34
GrueMasterUsing the Natty versions works fine.15:34
rsalvetiGrueMaster: were you able to test with linaro's kernel?15:35
ppisatimy xm rev a1 works ok with O u-boot15:35
GrueMasternot yet.  Had to reimage (I was running a cryptfs and linaro doesn't support that).15:35
GrueMasterWill test linaro kernel today.15:36
ogra_MMlosh in #ubuntu-arm reported the same NIC issue15:36
GrueMasterAlso plan on doing some deep desktop image testing for the rest of the week, as I have done little on that this cycle.15:36
ogra_but he is on natty and just using the oneiric kernel15:36
GrueMasterinteresting.15:36
ogra_so i'm not sure it isnt userspace15:36
ogra_but indeed intresting that you see the same15:37
GrueMastermahmoh: anything to add?15:38
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mahmohGrueMaster: nothing except that you're doing a bang up job15:38
ogra_++15:38
ogra_and he is also our best supporter in #ubuntu-arm15:38
NCommander[topic] Linaro Updates (rsalveti)15:38
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* rsalveti waves15:38
rsalvetiwell, not much that touches oneiric15:39
rsalvetifirst version of gcc-linaro packages15:39
rsalvetito be available at the toolchain backports PPA15:39
rsalvetito help testing toolchain issues and validating the gcc-linaro later on15:39
rsalvetion-going debugging on LTTng 2.x15:40
rsalvetifirst time we're trying to make it work with ARM15:40
rsalvetigood thing is that we don't have a lot of kernel dependencies as before15:40
rsalvetihope to make it work properly this time15:40
rsalvetilooking to try to get bug 669641 fixed at the linaro-kernels atm15:41
GrueMasterIs there a plan to integrate x-loader with u-boot for omap next cycle?  Also, PXE would be nice, since the code is there.15:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 669641 in linux (Ubuntu) "systemtap fails to discover installed debug modules" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66964115:41
rsalvetithen push it to ubuntu-kernel once the fix is available and working15:41
janimonice15:41
rsalvetiGrueMaster: yup, in theory SPL already works for OMAP15:41
rsalvetiwe'll validate it for this cycle, so for P it should work the same way15:41
janimobye bye xloader15:42
ogra_yeah15:42
ogra_well, not completely15:42
ogra_yet15:42
rsalvetibut at least for next cycle for sure :-)15:42
NCommanderanything else?15:42
rsalvetiand on-going multi-arch fixes in place to get firefox cross buildable15:43
ogra_well you still keep MLO15:43
rsalvetisure, but the main issue was how x-loader was maintained15:43
rsalvetithat's the next step15:43
ogra_indeed15:43
janimoogra_, yes, but no more extra packages that we need to keep remembering the names of15:43
ogra_NCommander, nothing from me15:43
rsalvetithat's most from my side15:43
janimothanks rsalveti15:44
NCommander[topic] AOB15:44
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ogra_erm15:44
ogra_what about blueprints ?? werent we supposed to have a topic for that today ?15:44
GrueMastererm?15:44
* ogra_ thought davidm wanted to discuss them today15:45
davidm_Yes, I did want to see a review of bp15:45
davidm_I'm on a call that I can 't break from15:45
ogra_davidm, lets do it on the call then15:45
ogra_for the community: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/PBlueprintIdeas oin case you have ideas to add for us :)15:45
davidm_But I would like to see the team review the BP page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/PBlueprintIdeas15:46
ogra_lets go over them then15:46
davidm_The page is scheduled to lock soonish15:46
ogra_say 19th at the top schedule :)15:46
ogra_*says15:46
ogra_ah, no, even 3rd15:47
GrueMasterActually, I think it is the 3rd that it locks.15:47
ogra_yeah15:47
ogra_i slipped a row15:47
ogra_forst one is "Implement an ARM Server Kernel for Server Hardware"15:47
GrueMasterAt any rate.  Shall I list them and we can beat^h^H^Hdiscuss them?15:48
rbasakIs that a kernel flavour, like server and virtual?15:48
GrueMasterServer kernel makes sense once we have a server platform.15:48
mahmohwill this have to be per platform?15:49
ogra_i guess that actually depends on having server hardware :)15:49
ogra_GrueMaster, oh, feel free15:49
* ogra_ steps back15:49
ogra_rbasak, yes, the -server kernel uses a few different config options15:49
ogra_mahmoh, well, it hads to be for the "server platform"15:49
ogra_it doesnt make sense to put a fulltime person on a server kernel without having server HW15:49
mahmohand arm should have its own configs on top of that15:50
ogra_and i guess it will be a good part of a fulltime job15:50
ogra_(split across kernel and QA)15:50
GrueMasterArm Server kernel build configuration and tuning -- Should combine with previous.15:51
ogra_i think we all agree that we want such a kernel but we need HW first15:51
ogra_else it is a waste of efforts15:51
ogra_GrueMaster, ++15:51
GrueMasterUnified OMAP3/OMAP4 install images15:51
ogra_though we should probably have a general kernel configuration session15:51
ogra_(covering the config handling for arm in general)15:52
GrueMasterHow would this work?  Same kernel/u-boot?  Is it possible?15:52
ogra_unified images can only work if we have unified MLO and u-boot15:52
GrueMasterAnd kernel.15:53
ogra_kernel should already be possible i think15:53
ogra_but indeed not if we go on with the TI patches which we have to15:53
GrueMaster* All ARM headless images are based on Ubuntu Core,15:53
* ogra_ just nods15:53
janimoGrueMaster, kernel is unified in linaro15:53
ogra_move :P15:53
janimouboot to be explored, part of the purpose of the BP15:53
GrueMasteroops, missed the wrap.15:54
ogra_we dont have headless atm ... if it comes back it will be based on core ... done15:54
GrueMasterAll ARM headless images are based on Ubuntu Core,15:54
GrueMasterexcept for specific ARM Server Images15:54
ogra_not really a spec15:54
ogra_rather a "this is what we will use if it comes back"15:54
GrueMaster* Explore Codezero Embedded Hypervisor Virtulazation on A9 http://www.l4dev.org/15:54
GrueMasterok15:54
GrueMasterThis could be fun.15:55
ogra_yeah15:55
GrueMaster* Server Performance Testing incl Storage15:55
ogra_well, thats just a carry over of the server QA from O15:55
ogra_or not ?15:55
ogra_or an extention to it15:56
mahmohI think storage should be broken out, otherwise this will get big15:56
GrueMasterNeed more detail.  mahmoh has already been running the phoronix test suite to shake out issues there.15:56
GrueMasterStorage will get tested properly once we have hw that has better support.15:56
* ogra_ is sad that there are so many server specs but not many tech improvements or community/desktop specs ...15:56
GrueMaster* ARM Hard float15:57
ogra_is that a spec ?15:57
NCommanderWe're about to runout of time sadly15:57
GrueMasterIt's because we have already rocked the desktop.15:57
ogra_we surely need discussion about it15:57
janimomove to ubuntu-arm ?15:57
ogra_GrueMaster, well, enough ? is the question15:57
ogra_well, is there a meeting after us ?15:58
ogra_but yeah, else move to -arm and finish that15:58
NCommanderI'm not sure15:58
GrueMaster* Orchestra/Ensemble on ARM15:58
* ogra_ wonders whats arm specific there 15:58
GrueMasterdeployment issues apparently.15:59
mahmoh* Orchestra/Juju on ARM15:59
ogra_but then i dont know enough about it ... though i thought its a management tool15:59
NCommandernoone elseis here (and actually, the frdge event for the meeting still says Mobile and Tuesday)15:59
ogra_lol15:59
GrueMaster* Linaro ARM Boot15:59
ogra_whats that ?15:59
GrueMasterBTHOOM15:59
ogra_there are a bunch of boot related things in our build system i would like to change16:00
GrueMaster(beats the hell out of me)16:00
janimoboot speed maybe?16:00
ogra_so having some info what "linaro boot" means would be nice16:00
GrueMaster* KVM on ARM16:00
* GrueMaster cringes16:00
ogra_hehe16:00
ogra_you asked for it :P16:00
ogra_we could also add "libvirt on arm" :)16:01
GrueMasterNo, I didn't.  I asked for tests to be written for bare metal, then adapted for kvm, not vice versa.16:01
davidm_we should add libvirt16:01
ogra_argh, that was a joke !16:01
NCommanderheh16:01
* ogra_ looks for duct tape for his nasty mouth16:01
rbasakIt needs to happen eventually!16:01
GrueMaster* Server System management on ARM - IPMI16:01
ogra_how is that different to the juju spec ??16:02
GrueMasterrbasak: So does a solution for bug 116:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116:02
ogra_does it make sense to have two of them ?16:02
rbasak:-)16:02
ogra_i think we could merge them in one16:02
ogra_same for kvm/libvirt16:02
GrueMaster* QA Develop automation tests that can run without kvm support (i.e. on raw hardware).16:03
GrueMasterhar!16:03
ogra_hehe, attacking the kvm spec :)16:03
NCommanderspec to spec combat!16:04
rbasakThere is a plan to help with that I think16:04
GrueMasterI think this is beneficial, because I am always finding bugs on raw hw that don't manifest on kvm.16:04
rbasakGet nova to be able to launch metal instances from a pool of available metal16:04
ogra_yeah16:04
rbasak(maybe via LXC)16:04
ogra_sounds trivial16:04
GrueMaster* Revisit Server QA tests from Oneiric, enhance and update as needed.16:05
ogra_given that we already implemented that :)16:05
ogra_(as the panda cluster)16:05
rbasakdoes that use nova?16:05
ogra_never heard of nova16:06
GrueMasterA lot of the tests this round were random (and some have no tests in any arch).16:06
ogra_well, iirc in budapest is was said that this cycle was to determine a better set of tests16:06
ogra_so thats an expected follwoup i guess16:06
GrueMaster* Compare kernel configs with x86/amd64 configs for for module differences (NFS, VFAT, etc)16:07
ogra_shoudl become a general kernel config spec16:07
ogra_for arm indeed :)16:08
GrueMasterI ran into a lot of qa kernel SRU tests that fail simply because some modules are compiled =Y as opposed to =m.16:08
GrueMasterAnd I also had to postpone some tests because of missing modules.16:08
ogra_yeah16:08
ogra_and we have a good bunch of differences to x86 as well16:09
ogra_so we should do a general review16:09
GrueMaster* One consumer device per cycle programme16:09
ogra_yay16:09
ogra_so my idea is that we enable one enduser device per cycle16:10
ogra_preferably one that is close to images we already have indeed16:10
ogra_and that the community can chose which device that is16:10
janimoGrueMaster, would be good to have a list of features failing unless modules16:10
GrueMasterI disagree on this, only because we got bogged down on 1 and played hot potato with the other.16:10
janimoI was thinking of trying to build in as many as possible for bootup speed16:10
ogra_GrueMaster, bogged down ?16:10
janimobut if it some do not work it'd be good to know ahead16:10
ogra_we have ac100 images now ... and we could have nook ones if you had had the time16:11
GrueMasterHow long have you been working on ac100?16:11
ogra_the plan is to deeply involve the community here16:11
janimowe could have 5 images per cycle if we had better build tools honestly16:11
ogra_ac100 isnt comparable16:11
ogra_i had to invent a totally new image type for it16:11
janimothe time spent is not as much coding but debugging the innards of the build system16:11
GrueMasterProblem with nook images is lack of touch screen keyboard in ubiquity.16:11
ogra_eaily solved :)16:11
ogra_*easily16:12
ogra_you didnt tell me16:12
mahmohthe idea is a good one, maybe choose a family of similar products and then a target to work from16:12
GrueMasterI was just saying once we get the tools shacken out, we shouldn't limit it to one.16:12
janimoogra_, I doubt the community has better chances of getting something up with cdimage/debian-cd as they are used now16:12
ogra_anyway, we can discuss that later, thats my spec proposal and the masterplan is actually to grow community16:12
NCommander+116:12
janimobut we need the community for upstream work (kernel etc) and testing16:12
GrueMasterSounds good.16:12
ogra_janimo, thats the part we should be offering16:12
ogra_debian-cd/cdimage stuff16:13
janimoas they are now they are... juju16:13
ogra_the community still needs to supply the external bits16:13
ogra_anyway, lets do details later and let NCommander close the meeting :)16:13
NCommanderclosing in 316:14
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NCommander#endmeeting16:14
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ogra_*clap clap clap*16:14
janimohear you later16:14
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