[04:48] <superfly> sp
[04:51]  * nlsthzn waves
[04:55] <superfly> morning nlsthzn
[04:55] <nlsthzn> Hi superfly , how are you?
[04:55] <superfly> I'm doing alright... and yourself?
[05:31] <nuvolari> mornings
[05:40] <superfly> morning nuvolari
[05:40] <superfly> nlsthzn: thanks. obsidian shell ftw
[05:42] <nlsthzn> superfly, Oh I am OK... and I was uber impressed with the band... been listening to them for a while now...
[05:42] <nlsthzn> hi nuvolari 
[05:43] <nuvolari> lo superfly, nlsthzn 
[05:44] <superfly> nlsthzn: they are like a combination of skillet and demon hunter
[05:44] <nlsthzn> Cool... dont' know those bands...
[05:45] <nlsthzn> hi uncle Kilos 
[05:45] <superfly> môre oom Kilos
[05:45] <Kilos> morning superfly nlsthzn 
[05:45] <nuvolari> hallo oom Kilos 
[05:45] <superfly> nlsthzn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mjlM_RnsVE&ob=av2e
[05:45] <Kilos> sjoe julle is vinnig ne
[05:45] <superfly> nlsthzn: and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV58gCi1NxA&ob=av2e
[05:45] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[05:46] <nuvolari> maar natuurlik oom! ons is nog lus vir die dag
[05:46] <Kilos> hehe
[05:46] <nuvolari> :-/
[05:46] <nlsthzn> thx superfly will give em a look
[05:46] <nuvolari> nou moet ons 'n jaar lank wag!
[05:47] <nlsthzn> first link blocked in UAE... watching second now
[05:48] <Kilos> huh
[05:48] <nuvolari> Kilos: vir TL se performance oom 
[05:48] <superfly> nlsthzn: this one isn't the music video (the other one was), but it does at least have the full song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z06LXZQwkrc
[05:48] <Kilos> shame ja
[05:49] <nlsthzn> superfly, thanks
[05:50] <Kilos> die Channel 7 tv mense het gebel en ek dink hulle is nou besig met n "follow up" interview
[05:50] <superfly> nlsthzn: also check out Pillar and Disciple
[05:50] <nuvolari> heh, I don't think she's going to need that x-thingy TBH!
[05:50] <nuvolari> Kilos: is it Xfactor?
[05:50] <Kilos> al die ausies het gekerm toe sy ewe skielik uit is
[05:50] <nlsthzn> k, cool
[05:50] <superfly> nlsthzn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZiiW2tLxEU
[05:51] <Kilos> channel 7 show xfactor
[05:51] <superfly> nlsthzn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajx6Tg4orMQ
[05:51] <Kilos> i suppose channel 7 is like our mnet
[05:52] <superfly> yeesh, I'm the weirdest metal-head I know
[05:52] <nlsthzn> superfly, unfortuantly I have to go get ready now... long trip to Dubai coming up... I will make note of the band names and give 'em a look and listen... thanks
[05:52] <superfly> nlsthzn: you can always come back and ask me for their names again :-D
[05:53] <nlsthzn> WIll do ... but I like to find uses for tomboy notes :p
[05:54] <Kilos> she had a fone call from a recording company yesterday but didnt like the songs they wanted her to sing and asked them to come up with other songs
[05:54] <superfly> Kilos: see, ek't mos gesê
[05:54] <Kilos> oh my, is that what tomboy notes are for
[05:55] <nlsthzn> Guys... have a good one... cheers
[05:55] <Kilos> ja superfly jy was reg, soos gewoonlik
[05:55] <Kilos> cheers nlsthzn 
[05:55] <Kilos> go well
[05:55] <superfly> Kilos: she might not have gotten very far in xfactor, but someone will hear her and will give her a call
[05:55] <superfly> toodles nlsthzn
[06:57] <sakhi> morning
[07:01] <superfly> morning sakhi
[07:02] <Kilos> hi sakhi 
[07:57] <magespawn> morning all
[07:57] <Kilos> morning magespawn 
[07:58] <sakhi> morning magespawn 
[07:58] <magespawn> how are you on this fine day?
[07:59] <Kilos> good ty 
[08:06] <magespawn> just formatting laptop hardrive for a clean installl
[08:06] <Kilos> lol
[08:11] <magespawn> mmm love a clean install
[08:15] <magespawn> Kilos do you uxse othe IRC channels?
[08:15] <Kilos> uxse?
[08:15] <magespawn> use
[08:15] <Kilos> oh
[08:15] <magespawn> phone ketboard
[08:16] <magespawn> keyboard
[08:16] <Kilos> no only freenode
[08:16] <Kilos> and have my own ##kilos and used to sit on #glug.za and #ubuntu-afr
[08:17] <Kilos> lol
[08:17] <Kilos> fone texting sucks
[08:17] <Kilos> brb
[08:27] <magespawn> brb
[08:29] <magespawn> i is here
[08:29] <Kilos> wb
[08:30] <magespawn> now on a desktop
[08:30] <Kilos> ah
[08:31] <Kilos> why you ask about irc channels magespawn 
[08:31] <magespawn> laptop busy with its updates
[08:32] <Kilos> yeah the install actually goes much quicker than updating
[08:33] <superfly> hi magespawn
[08:36] <magespawn> hi superfly
[08:37] <magespawn> this one is quiet compared to others.
[08:37] <magespawn> have just found this from gussliber on twitter http://mg.co.za/article/2011-09-13-ag-pleez-daddy/
[08:39] <superfly> what is up with my firefox today?
[08:42] <Kilos> peeps here work more magespawn 
[08:43] <Kilos> if you want action go to #ubuntu
[08:43] <Kilos> i cant keep up there
[08:44] <magespawn> agg no this suits me fine
[08:44] <magespawn> what version superfly?
[08:44] <superfly> 7 beta
[08:46] <magespawn> i stopped using that because of problems with the sync between the laptop and the phone
[08:46] <superfly> I'm not using Sync
[08:49] <superfly> magespawn: what do you think of the judge's ruling?
[08:49] <magespawn> which one?
[08:50] <superfly> the one to ban Juju from singing
[08:53] <magespawn> i hear they banned the song as well which is not a good thing. if they only ban him from singing it that says, to me, that as a person in a position of power you must watch what you say and do
[09:01] <magespawn> http://www.news24.com/Columnists/Khaya-Dlanga/The-K-is-not-OK-OK-20110914 this says it quite nicely at the bottom 
[09:02] <magespawn> censure the person not the song or word.
[09:02] <superfly> yes, I agree. the problem is that Malema can and does incite violence... heck, even the YL was violent toward their parent body, the ANC
[09:16] <magespawn> yes 
[10:02] <magespawn> wooo hooo laptop up and running again now now to load it down with superfluous software
[10:15] <Kilos> lol
[10:15] <Kilos> you got natty on there
[10:29] <magespawn> no lucid
[10:29] <Kilos> ah
[10:29] <Kilos> lts
[10:29] <magespawn> yup
[10:29] <Kilos> i prefer maverick to lucid
[10:29] <Kilos> just a little bit better
[10:30] <Kilos> maverick is really kiff. my only hassle is from power cuts while busy i think
[13:18] <magespawn> howdy all
[13:20] <superfly> afternoon magespawn
[13:20] <magespawn> laptop now has xchat again so here i am
[13:20] <magespawn> did a clean install
[13:21] <magespawn> superfly what is the best way to upgrade firefox?
[13:22] <superfly> magespawn: I don't know, I'm using the 11.10 beta
[13:23] <magespawn> yeah i was too but with the reinstall i am now back to the default for lucid lynx i think 3.something
[13:27] <magespawn> would there be away to use apt-get to make sure it gets the latest stable release
[13:29] <superfly> magespawn: I think there's a PPA somewhere
[13:29] <superfly> Maaz: google for firefox ppa
[13:29] <Maaz> superfly: "Firefox Stable Channel Packages : “Mozilla Team” team" https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable :: "Official PPA for Firefox and Thunderbird daily builds : “Ubuntu ..." https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa :: "Firefox 5 Lands In The Firefox Stable PPA For Ubuntu 10.10 And ..." http://www.webupd8.org/2011/06/firefox-5-lands-in-firefox-stable-ppa.html :: "Install Firefox 4 In Ubuntu 10.04
[13:30] <magespawn> ta i always forget about Maaz
[13:32] <superfly> and Google :-P
[13:39] <magespawn> brb
[13:42] <magespawn> thanks i used this one http://www.webupd8.org/2011/06/firefox-5-lands-in-firefox-stable-ppa.html
[13:44] <magespawn> using the command line and apt-get is still faster than the software centre
[13:48] <magespawn> much better now using firefox 6
[13:49] <Kilos> magespawn, try epiphany-browser
[13:49] <Kilos> then you can tell me too how to show lotsa tabs on one window not a new one everytime
[13:51] <magespawn> never heard of that one
[13:51] <Kilos> its quite close to ffox
[13:52] <Kilos> works well here
[13:52] <Kilos> faster than firefox
[13:52] <Kilos> the fly told me to try it way back then
[13:57] <Kilos> and doesnt want to update all the time
[13:57] <magespawn> add ons?
[13:57] <Kilos> it has lotsa stuff
[13:58] <magespawn> okay busy installing now
[14:01] <Kilos> only thing i found is yahoo doesnt recognise the browser but everything there still opens
[14:01] <magespawn> i am not too worried about updates have uncapped adsl line
[14:01] <magespawn> never use yahoo any way
[14:04] <magespawn> looks okay reasonable speed so far.
[14:06] <magespawn> not bad loads my regular sites quickly
[14:06] <Kilos> i use it all the time
[14:06] <Kilos> much faster than the fox
[14:06] <magespawn> what did you want to know?
[14:07] <Kilos> the fox struggled on gprs
[14:07] <magespawn> sometimes yes
[14:07] <Kilos> um
[14:07] <magespawn> then you can tell me too how to show lotsa tabs on one window not a new one everytime
[14:07] <Kilos> mine opens every link i go to in a new window not new tab
[14:07] <magespawn> that what you said^
[14:07] <Kilos> otherwise its same as the fox
[14:07] <magespawn> weird hold on
[14:08] <Kilos> lol
[14:08] <Kilos> i musta done something wrong again
[14:09] <magespawn> i cannot see anywhere to change that
[14:12] <magespawn> no mine does it too when i follow a link on page i am on
[14:12] <magespawn> if i Ctrl-T then it opens a new tab
[14:13] <magespawn> when you want to open a link right click rather than left and select open in new tab
[14:13] <Kilos> do you not tick the link then
[14:13] <Kilos> ah ty 
[14:14] <magespawn> i use the same thing in ff just in case
[14:15] <Kilos> ah
[14:15] <magespawn> the person who designs the website can set that as a default but most do not bother
[14:16] <Kilos> i dont even know if epiphany is or has been upgraded since karmic
[14:17] <magespawn> epiphany has picked up my network printer and put a bookmark in for me
[14:17] <Kilos> lol
[14:17] <magespawn> allows me to access the printer web interface
[14:17] <Kilos> thats nice
[14:18] <magespawn> without remembering the ip address
[14:18] <Kilos> lol
[14:18] <Kilos> i dunno why its faster than ff
[14:19] <Kilos> there is another browser as well
[14:19] <Kilos> dunno why i left it out here
[14:19] <Kilos> midori
[14:19] <Kilos> also fast
[14:21] <Kilos> fast light weight graphical browser
[14:21] <Kilos> i musta forgot seeing as i dont google much
[14:40] <Steff_> hey all
[14:40] <Kilos> hi Steff_ 
[14:41] <Steff_> is there a way i can get my hands on a free copy of ubuntu?  I just dont have the internet connection to download a distribution.... :-(
[14:41] <Steff_> any ideas are most welcome....  
[14:41] <Steff_> over windows ;-)
[14:41] <Kilos> where are you?
[14:41] <Steff_> in joburg
[14:42] <Kilos> there is someone in the area that might have a copy still
[14:42] <Steff_> o ok.... cool...
[14:43] <Kilos> i forgot how to ask the bot who keeps them
[14:43] <Kilos> sec i try work it out
[14:43] <Steff_> o ok... 
[14:43] <Steff_> no worries man...
[14:43] <Kilos> or superfly how we ask maaz who keeps cds in jburg
[14:44] <Kilos> no worry. i should remember or make notes
[14:44] <Kilos> you are connected hey
[14:44] <Kilos> what does this link say
[14:45] <Kilos> http://www.ubuntu.com/
[14:45] <Steff_> currently im on ubuntu-za.org
[14:45] <magespawn> Maaz, who has ubuntu cd in JHB
[14:45] <Maaz> magespawn: Erk, dunno
[14:46] <Steff_> ive had a look at ubuntu.com too... no luck there...
[14:46] <magespawn> Maaz, who has ubuntu cd in jhb
[14:46] <Maaz> magespawn: I'm afraid I have no idea
[14:46] <magespawn> Maaz, who has ubuntu cds in jhb
[14:46] <Maaz> magespawn: I'm afraid I have no idea
[14:46] <Kilos> maiatoday,  will know who she sent them to
[14:46] <Kilos> but she not here
[14:46] <Kilos> Maaz, get ubuntu
[14:46] <Maaz> Kilos: 301 Moved Permanently to http://www.ubuntu.com/, which gets a 200 OK "Homepage | Ubuntu"
[14:47] <magespawn> try the loco page
[14:47] <magespawn> http://ubuntu-za.org/
[14:47] <Kilos> nuvolari, waar kry mense ubuntu cd's
[14:49] <Kilos> somewhere maiatoday put a list of who had them in each area
[14:49] <Kilos> about 200 mails ago
[14:49] <Steff_> he he ok.
[14:49] <Steff_> if you do come across some info for me, could you possibly mail me some details?
[14:50] <Kilos> it was the guy that organised the release party at irene i think
[14:50] <Kilos> you want to give your mail addy here or pm
[14:51] <Steff_> ill give it here...no stress... its a mail made for spam :-)
[14:51] <Steff_> steed.bee@gmail.com
[14:51] <Kilos> ok will mail you as soon as i get the info
[14:51] <magespawn> Join the mailing list http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-za
[14:51] <Steff_> thanks dude.  Jy is 'n legend!
[14:52] <Kilos> yeah Steff_ join our mailing list
[14:52] <magespawn> there is a list of ppl with disk here http://ubuntu-za.org/get-ubuntu
[14:53] <Kilos> thats it
[14:53] <Kilos> ty magespawn 
[14:53] <Steff_> cool ... done
[14:53] <Kilos> new it was something get ubuntu
[14:54] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za steff
[14:54] <Kilos> hope you enjoy ubuntu
[14:56] <Steff_> im sure i will ... many thanks!!
[15:00] <magespawn> later it is now home time
[15:02] <Kilos> cheers mag\
[15:02] <Kilos> grr
[15:25] <Kilos> Maaz, get-ubuntu
[15:25] <Maaz> http://ubuntu-za.org/get-ubuntu
[15:25] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[15:25] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[15:25] <Kilos> lol
[17:22] <gjensen-na> Greetings from your "next door neighbours", the new Ubuntu Namibia LoCo team :-)
[17:22] <Kilos> hi gjensen-na 
[17:24] <gjensen-na> I was wondering - do you have members from Namibia in your LoCo? Or would know Namibians interested in Ubuntu? I'm a bit "member" hunting at the moment, and certainly could need some help "spreading the word". Perhaps I'm a bit too upfront here - sorry that, but that's just me ;-)
[17:25] <Kilos> im sure all our guys are local here
[17:26] <Kilos> even though some of them roam around the world
[17:28] <gjensen-na> Well, was worth a try ;-) Trying out all possible "channels" (communication - not IRC) to reach people here though. What would be your advice for "best type of attention grabber"?
[17:29] <Kilos> leave mails on the ubuntu lists
[17:30] <Kilos> and check if #ubuntu has any lurking there
[17:30] <gjensen-na> Hm, that's a good idea indeed - will "annoy" everyone at #ubuntu then ;-)
[17:31] <Kilos> but you welcome to pop in here when you like. just very quiet unless there is a problem being sorted out
[17:31] <Kilos> lol
[17:31] <gjensen-na> Er... uhm. Empty channel :-)
[17:31] <Kilos> cant be
[17:32] <Kilos> 1614 peeps there
[17:33] <Kilos> did you type in /join #ubuntu
[17:34] <Kilos> how are you getting here now?
[17:34] <Kilos> via your browser
[17:35] <gjensen-na> Nope, using Smuxi. I'll have a try again...
[17:35] <Kilos> i dunno smuxi
[17:36] <Kilos> are you using ubuntu?
[17:38] <gjensen-na> Yepp, and the problem seems to be that Smuxi lags behind when opening a channel ;-)
[17:38] <Kilos> which ubuntu release are you using gjensen-na 
[17:39] <Kilos> most peeps here use xchat quassel or weechat
[17:40]  * sakhi needs to make an iso image of the proxy
[17:41] <Kilos> and freenode on irc
[17:42] <sakhi> Kilos: and irssi.
[17:42] <Kilos> oh yes , ty sakhi 
[17:43] <Kilos> do you have that proxy in a folder
[17:43] <sakhi> not yet
[17:43] <Kilos> i used quite a nice command to make an iso yesterday
[17:43] <Kilos> from a folder on desktop
[17:44] <gjensen-na> I'm using 11.04, found Smuxi in the Software Center, installed it - works. Has been a long time since I last used IRC, so that's why I'm probably not missing anyhting in Smuxi ;-)
[17:45] <Kilos> if you interested sakhi 
[17:45] <Kilos> mkisofs -o /tmp/cd.iso /tmp/directory/
[17:45] <sakhi> Kilos: folder or directory sounds like a Windows iso
[17:45] <sakhi> ahh
[17:45] <sakhi> ta
[17:45] <Kilos> can make an iso from anything i think
[17:45] <Kilos> except my dog
[17:46] <Kilos> if its in the repos it must be ok gjensen-na 
[18:13] <Kilos> gjensen-na, did you find #ubuntu
[18:13] <gjensen-na> Yepp, I did. Wild Windows discussions there ;-)
[18:13] <Kilos> lol
[18:14] <Kilos> i cant keep up in that channel
[18:14] <Kilos> they type faster than i can read
[18:14] <gjensen-na> Uh well - that's part of the fun isn't it? I mean: in a pub you also don't keep up with *all* discussions around you at the same time ;-)
[18:15] <Kilos> you but there you can focus on one at a time
[18:15] <Kilos> i forget who asked or said what
[18:15] <Kilos> hehe
[18:19] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:19]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:23] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:25] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[18:25] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[18:40] <inetpro> gjensen-na: welcome to #ubuntu-za
[18:41] <Kilos> hiya inetpro 
[18:41] <inetpro> you are most welcome to stick around here while you start to grow the community around you
[18:41] <Kilos> gaan dit goed?
[18:41] <inetpro> heh Kilos, thanks for being a good citizen
[18:41] <Kilos> huh
[18:42] <inetpro> Kilos: you always ready to welcome the new guys
[18:42] <Kilos> you forget this is my home
[18:42]  * inetpro lol
[18:42] <Kilos> of course i must see who is knocking at the door and welcome them
[18:44] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm sure you could get ubuntu membership based on that alone
[18:44] <Kilos> oh
[18:44] <inetpro> you should apply
[18:44] <Kilos> how
[18:44] <Kilos> to who
[18:45] <inetpro> ask highvoltage, drussell and drubin, they know the process
[18:45] <Kilos> ok ty
[18:46] <inetpro> and then there are a few others as well
[18:46] <Kilos> drussell, how do i apply for ubuntu membership and what do i need to do?
[18:46] <Kilos> dont tell me to pass the lpi exam
[18:46] <Kilos> hehe
[18:48] <inetpro> Kilos: I think you could start by attending some regular meetings at #ubuntu-meeting
[18:48] <inetpro> as far as I'm aware anybody is free to take part, you just can't vote
[18:49] <Kilos> oh
[18:59] <oomkoos> hello all
[18:59] <Kilos> lo oomkoos 
[19:03] <oomkoos> I'm in need of some help. If someone has the time it would be appreciated. I'm rather noob when it comes to Ubuntu. It seems my GUI fails to start when I log in. I can see the desktop but no toolbars whatsoever. If I start in recovery mode and choose to log in with failsafe graphics then everything is working 100%. How do I go about fixing this problem?
[19:05] <Kilos> what distro are you using oomkoos 
[19:05] <oomkoos> Ubuntu 11.04
[19:05] <Kilos> and do you have aptitude installed
[19:06] <oomkoos> dont think I have aptitude
[19:06] <Kilos> try sudo dpkg --reconfigure -a
[19:06] <Kilos> ok sudo apt-get install aptitude
[19:07] <Kilos> you know how to use the terminal hey/
[19:07] <oomkoos> yes a little :)
[19:07] <oomkoos> busy installing aptitude now
[19:07] <Kilos> greta
[19:07] <Kilos> great as well
[19:08] <oomkoos> I get: dpkg: error: unknown option --reconfigure
[19:09] <Kilos> sorry
[19:09] <Kilos> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[19:09] <Kilos> i get mixed up
[19:09] <oomkoos> ok that worked
[19:09] <oomkoos> no problem thanks for helping!
[19:09] <Kilos> is it fixing things
[19:10] <Kilos> is it fixed now oomkoos 
[19:10] <oomkoos> well couldnt see anything happening. just got went over to new line
[19:11] <Kilos> ok i think its a graphics prob
[19:11] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall gdm
[19:12] <oomkoos> busy running
[19:12] <oomkoos> 1 package reinstalled
[19:13] <Kilos> do you have a graphics card that had to get drivers
[19:13] <oomkoos> no nothing
[19:14] <Kilos> ok
[19:14] <oomkoos> no dedicated graphics
[19:14] <Kilos> gimme a sec i need to find a command
[19:14] <oomkoos> ok no prob
[19:18] <Kilos> i did a clean install and got stuff saved all over and put them in funny places
[19:18] <oomkoos> i know the feeling
[19:18] <Kilos> inetpro, please can you give me the fsck command
[19:18] <Kilos> lol
[19:19] <Kilos> dis nie die ouder nie maar die dom
[19:19] <oomkoos> lol
[19:21] <Kilos> wb superfly mrs_fly 
[19:21] <Kilos> man tells me this  fsck [-sAVRTMNP] [-C [fd]] [-t fstype] [filesys...]  [--] [fs-specific-
[19:21] <Kilos>        options]
[19:22] <oomkoos> in human terms? :D
[19:22] <Kilos> but i dont remember what the correct command was
[19:22] <Kilos> i got the same prob
[19:22] <Kilos> need to have everything explained every time
[19:23] <inetpro> Kilos: I doubt that it would be a filesystem issue
[19:23] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry het gou die kinders bed toe gevat
[19:23] <Kilos> np
[19:23] <oomkoos> there is a option for fsck in the recovery menu and I tried that but it didnt do anything
[19:24] <Kilos> i dunno if gdm is the right package in natty
[19:24] <inetpro> please note that fsck can be very dangerous
[19:24] <Kilos> ok when you boot do you end up at the command prompt
[19:24] <oomkoos> no i get to my normal login screen
[19:25] <inetpro> I once helped a friend on fedora and we lost all his data
[19:25] <oomkoos> after i enter my password the startup sounds play and I'm presented with my background. Just dont have any menu's
[19:25] <inetpro> so, point number 1 is always, do you have backups?
[19:25] <oomkoos> thanks for the info enetpro. I'll consider myself lucky then that nothing happened
[19:26] <Kilos> lol
[19:26] <Kilos> ok its the desktop then i think
[19:26] <oomkoos> jip, atleast know how to do those lol. would like to try and avoid re-installing if possible though
[19:27] <inetpro> oomkoos: rename your profile folder and create a fresh one
[19:27] <oomkoos> have tried that but to no avail. the same problem on the new profile
[19:27] <inetpro> that would be /home/YouUserName
[19:27] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:27] <inetpro> oomkoos: is it a new installation?
[19:28] <Kilos> lets try sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[19:28] <oomkoos> no had it for a few months now. to be honest the problem has been around for about a month but never got around to fixing it
[19:29] <oomkoos> this install is on my notebook and I dont use it that much
[19:29] <oomkoos> ok I'll try that now
[19:29] <inetpro> oomkoos: when did it happen, was it perhaps an update that caused the failure?
[19:30] <oomkoos> ok thats done. should I restart and try?
[19:30] <Kilos> when did it happen first
[19:30] <oomkoos> I believe you are correct inetpro. new updates installed and after restart the problems started
[19:30] <inetpro> hmm.... what graphics card?
[19:30] <Kilos> eish
[19:31] <oomkoos> onboard graphics
[19:31] <oomkoos> not sure what chipset this board has
[19:31] <Kilos> oomkoos, you have synaptic package manager there hey
[19:31] <oomkoos> yes i do
[19:31] <Kilos> open it
[19:32] <Kilos> and tick reload
[19:32] <oomkoos> it running
[19:32] <Kilos> then mark all upgrades
[19:32] <Kilos> see if it has any
[19:33] <oomkoos> there is quite a few
[19:33] <Kilos> tick mark all upgrades sorry
[19:33] <oomkoos> actually a few is a understatement lol
[19:33] <Kilos> at the top
[19:33] <oomkoos> i did
[19:33] <Kilos> then apply
[19:34] <Kilos> does it say how many
[19:34] <oomkoos> 140 packages
[19:34] <Kilos> lol
[19:34] <Kilos> wow
[19:34] <oomkoos> 270 mb... this will take time lol
[19:34] <Kilos> is data a problem
[19:34] <Kilos> oh my
[19:34] <inetpro> oomkoos: lspci | grep -i vga
[19:34] <Kilos> thats about the full update
[19:34] <oomkoos> luckily not. and I'm fortunate to at least have a 1mb line
[19:35] <inetpro> superfly: wb
[19:35] <superfly> inetpro: thanks... my VPS was being weird, and I figured it might have been related to that DoS bug in quassel core that everyone in #quassel discovered
[19:35] <superfly> so I upgraded it
[19:36] <inetpro> superfly: you think it's better now?
[19:36] <Kilos> brb
[19:36] <superfly> inetpro: well, I got the upgrade that fixed the bug
[19:36] <oomkoos> inetpro: Intel Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated
[19:39] <oomkoos> Kilos: about 30 minutes left. I'll report once it's completed
[19:39] <Kilos> ok oomkoos 
[19:40] <Kilos> here are some commands to write down oomkoos 
[19:40] <Kilos> whenever you install ubuntu
[19:41] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update      sudo apt-get upgrade and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:41] <oomkoos> ok i'll make note of those!
[19:42] <Kilos> the synaptic mark all upgrades does the same job i think
[19:43] <oomkoos> ubuntu normally tells me when there is upgrades available but it's been some time since I used to notebook and also rather difficult without any toolbars lol
[19:43] <Kilos> yeah
[19:44] <Kilos> if i think back i had a prob once where i didnt have panels either
[19:45] <oomkoos> i'm all for the (very) "clean look" but it makes using it rather troublesome hehe
[19:45] <Kilos> lol
[19:46] <Kilos> after this it should want a reboot
[19:47] <Kilos> i dont know if the unity interface looks the same as the gnome one
[19:47] <oomkoos> yeah i suppose. I'll reboot and see whats happening
[19:47] <Kilos> on gnome the shutdown button goes red
[19:48] <oomkoos> not that bothered with how it looks as long as it's not invisible like now...
[19:48] <Kilos> im sure the linux kernel is part of the upgrades there
[19:48] <Kilos> hehe
[19:49] <Kilos> in synaptic you can tick details i think and watch what it is doing
[19:49] <nuvolari> o/ g'evenings 
[19:49] <Kilos> in that little window after apply
[19:49] <nuvolari> lo oom Kilos 
[19:49] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[19:49] <oomkoos> yeah its downloading like crazy
[19:50] <Kilos> als goed daar?
[19:50] <oomkoos> ola nuvolari
[19:50] <nuvolari> and oomkoos 
[19:50] <nuvolari> gaan oraait dankie oom. lang dag :-/
[19:50] <oomkoos> toemaar hier ook. gaan dit nog goed met jou?
[19:50] <nuvolari> oomkoos: is dit jy? of 'n ander oomkoos ?
[19:50] <oomkoos> nee dis ek lol
[19:50] <nuvolari> cool :P gedink dis jy
[19:51] <Kilos> lol
[19:51] <nuvolari> dit gaan goed hierso dankie, en daar?
[19:51] <nuvolari> ek probeer maar net kop bo water hou met al die werk
[19:51] <oomkoos> geen klagtes hier nie. kyk noord...
[19:52] <oomkoos> 95 of 144...
[19:52] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:52] <nuvolari> eh? FM? nee, ek luister nie radio nie
[19:52] <oomkoos> ?
[19:52] <nuvolari> 95/144
[19:53] <nuvolari> waarvoor is dit?
[19:53] <oomkoos> updates
[19:53] <Kilos> hy bietjie agter
[19:53] <nuvolari> ah
[19:53] <oomkoos> my ubuntu alweer stukken :(
[19:53] <nuvolari> lol maar dit lyk of jy hom meer breek as iets anders
[19:54] <nuvolari> ek het nou vanmiddag/vanaand arch linux op 'n virtual box aan die gang gekry
[19:54] <oomkoos> ek belowe ek doen dit nie opsetlik nie :D
[19:54] <Kilos> lmga
[19:54] <oomkoos> arch?
[19:54] <nuvolari> glo my, ons breek dit nooit opsetlik nie. dit gebeur net :P
[19:54] <nuvolari> oomkoos: arch linux
[19:55] <nuvolari> http://www.archlinux.org/
[19:55] <oomkoos> cool, sal dit bietjie uitcheck
[19:55] <nuvolari> lightweight, rolling-release-based, highly customizable distro
[19:56] <nuvolari> maar... dit beteken net jy begin van scratch af :P
[19:56] <nuvolari> sonder 'n GUI
[19:56] <nuvolari> dis nou nie so erg soos gentoo wat jy als van source af moet bou nie
[19:56] <oomkoos> ek't vanmiddag 'n multiboot pendrive darm aan die gang gekry met 3 distro's op
[19:56] <nuvolari> kudo's! ek't dit nog nooit probeer nie :P
[19:57] <nuvolari> solank ek iets met 'n terminal kan kry is ek gelukkig
[19:57] <oomkoos> nogal awesome. ekt nou ubuntu 11.04, backtrack 5 r1 en Hirens als op een USB
[19:58] <nuvolari> as jy 30 dae langer gewag het kon jy 11.10 opgehad het :P
[19:58] <nuvolari> o wag, dalk bietjie meer 
[19:59] <oomkoos> lol as ek 30 dae wag dan sit ek net die nuwe een by en verwyder die ou een hehe
[19:59] <nuvolari> oomkoos: hoor hier, is jy op google+?
[19:59] <oomkoos> nee lol ekt al vergeet van dit hehe
[20:00] <nuvolari> o
[20:01] <nuvolari> ek is besig om myself van facebook af te skeur, stadig maar seker :P
[20:02] <oomkoos> ekt dit lankal gedoen. as ek eenkeer in 3 maande inlog is dit baie
[20:02] <oomkoos> 116 of 144...
[20:02] <oomkoos> 10 min remaining...
[20:02] <Kilos> is it by the linux generic packages yet?
[20:03] <oomkoos> no its busy with libreoffice
[20:04] <Kilos> looks like there was very little upgraded before
[20:04] <oomkoos> no argument from my side... hehe
[20:04] <Kilos> hopefully it boots properly now
[20:05] <oomkoos> i hope so too Kilos!
[20:05] <oomkoos> busy with the linux stuff now
[20:05] <Kilos> watch if your shutdown button changes colour
[20:06] <oomkoos> right now it looks like a lightswitch
[20:06] <Kilos> then i will know if its the same as gnome
[20:06] <Kilos> lol
[20:07] <oomkoos> and that just brings up an menu and shutdown is an option
[20:07] <Kilos> should also say reboot to complete upgrade
[20:08] <Kilos> once everything is installed of course
[20:08] <oomkoos> down to 2 min 
[20:08] <Kilos> yay
[20:08] <oomkoos> dunno how long it will take to install though
[20:09] <Kilos> not long
[20:10] <oomkoos> 22s remaining
[20:10] <oomkoos> done!
[20:11]  * Kilos holds thumbs
[20:11] <oomkoos> lol thanks but I'll need toes as well with my luck
[20:12] <Kilos> lol
[20:16] <oomkoos> ok all done!
[20:16] <oomkoos> shutdown didnt change at all
[20:17] <Kilos> you were on that funny screen hey
[20:17] <oomkoos> I'll restart and see what's happening
[20:17] <Kilos> maybe that why
[20:17] <Kilos> ok we wait and see
[20:17] <oomkoos> maybe. be back in 5
[20:18] <Kilos> nuvolari, wie is oom koos
[20:18] <Kilos> ekt vergeet
[20:20] <oomkoos> crap...
[20:20] <Kilos> w00t
[20:20] <Kilos> aw
[20:20] <Kilos> still no panels
[20:20] <oomkoos> nope...
[20:20] <oomkoos> i think this has something to do with whatever my window manager is
[20:20] <Kilos> oh my
[20:21] <Kilos> open synaptic
[20:21] <oomkoos> because I can open xchat using the terminal but i have no border around it and cant move it
[20:21] <Kilos> in the top little window type in panel
[20:22] <Kilos> then tell it search
[20:22] <Kilos> eish
[20:23] <oomkoos> ok i'm stuck without my panals. i'll restart with the recovery mode. brb
[20:23] <Kilos> k
[20:23] <Kilos> i wonder if they arent hidden or deleted
[20:24] <Kilos> Maaz, google panels missing in ubuntu natty
[20:24] <Maaz> Kilos: "[SOLVED] Volume Icon Gone from Top Panel in Ubuntu 10.4 - Ubuntu ..." http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1436043 :: "Missing top and side panels in Unity, Natty Troubleshooting ..." http://www.tuxgarage.com/2011/04/missing-top-and-side-panels-in-unity.html :: "Ubuntu 11.04 Beta | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/beta :: "NattyNarwhal/ReleaseNotes - Ubuntu Wiki" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseNotes :: "U
[20:26] <oomkoos> ok lets try this again
[20:26] <oomkoos> what am I looking for in synaptic?
[20:26] <Kilos> lol i am looking at a link of someone who had same problem
[20:26] <Kilos> will feed back to here
[20:27] <Kilos> you cant use your browser because it is supposed to be in the top panel
[20:27] <oomkoos> no in this low end graphics mode i can use everything
[20:27] <Kilos> ok
[20:27] <Kilos> http://www.tuxgarage.com/2011/04/missing-top-and-side-panels-in-unity.html
[20:29] <oomkoos> busy reading now
[20:31] <Kilos> dpkg -l | grep unity
[20:31] <Kilos> that site is making my pc very slow
[20:31] <nuvolari> oomkoos: unity?
[20:32] <nuvolari> ek dink nie unity het rerig panels behalwe die dock aan die linkerkant nie
[20:32] <nuvolari> of het jy absoluut niks nie?
[20:32] <nuvolari> probeer die windows-key?
[20:32] <Kilos> niks
[20:32] <Kilos> nuvolari, kyk die lienk net hier bo
[20:33] <Kilos> ander het die selle prob
[20:33] <Kilos> as dit natty is moet dit unity wees
[20:34] <Kilos> of gnome classic
[20:35] <Kilos> oomkoos, whats happening?
[20:35] <Kilos> lol
[20:36] <Kilos> wb bennie__ 
[20:38] <Kilos> eish
[20:38] <bennie__> soz my network cable keeps pulling out
[20:39] <Kilos> lol
[20:39] <bennie__> shortcut to open new terminal?
[20:40] <Kilos> um in the terminal 
[20:40] <bennie__> im without borders again
[20:40] <Kilos> file open  tab
[20:40] <Kilos> eish
[20:40] <bennie__> lol thanks
[20:41] <Kilos> can you see file
[20:41] <Kilos> eish
[20:42] <Kilos> wb oomkoos 
[20:42] <Kilos> lets go back a bit
[20:42] <Kilos> is that unity  or gnome
[20:43] <oomkoos> suppose to be unity if I'm not mistaken
[20:43] <Kilos> ok 
[20:43] <Kilos> it would have told you if it needed gnome classic
[20:43] <Kilos> can you see that web page
[20:44] <Kilos>  in terminal dpkg -l | grep unity
[20:45] <oomkoos> yes I can but I have to close everytime I need to check chat cause I cant alt tab lol
[20:46] <Kilos> ok i will give you the commands
[20:46] <Kilos> what does the above one say
[20:46] <oomkoos> error: need an action option
[20:46] <Kilos> sudo dpkg -l | grep unity
[20:46] <oomkoos> same
[20:46] <Kilos> eish
[20:47] <Kilos> ok go synaptic again
[20:47] <oomkoos> ok i typed something wrong somewhere its working now
[20:48] <oomkoos> lots of data here. what am I looking at?
[20:48] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install unity
[20:48] <Kilos> copy and paste the commands
[20:49] <Kilos> too hard to type all of that
[20:49] <oomkoos> unity is already the newest version
[20:49] <oomkoos> lol I type rather fast
[20:49] <Kilos> ok replace apt-get with aptitude
[20:50] <Kilos> and reinstall
[20:50] <oomkoos> busy running
[20:50] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall unity
[20:50] <Kilos> lol
[20:50] <Kilos> i go get next one
[20:50] <oomkoos> take it it should be sudo aptitude reinstall unity
[20:50] <inetpro> Kilos: apt-get en aptitude is baie dieselle so dit gaan nie 'n verskil maak nie
[20:50] <Kilos> ya
[20:51] <oomkoos> done
[20:51] <Kilos> apt-get se dis klaar die nuutste maar aptitude reinstall
[20:51] <inetpro> hmm... baie interessant
[20:53] <Kilos> i actually havent tried apt-get with reinstall
[20:53] <Kilos> werk reinstall daar ook inetpro 
[20:54] <Kilos> lol wb oomkoos 
[20:54] <oomkoos> lyk nie reinstall werk met apt-get nie
[20:55] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[20:55] <Kilos> is die laaste een al gedoen oomkoos 
[20:55] <oomkoos> jip het dit ook nou gedoen
[20:56] <Kilos> sudo service gdm restart
[20:56] <inetpro> Kilos: wel apt-get het 'n --reinstall maar ek het ook nog nie gebruik nie
[20:56] <Kilos> yay
[20:56] <Kilos> i thought i was being dom again
[20:56] <Kilos> aptitude is lekker at times
[20:56] <inetpro> ek is eintlik ook 'n fan van aptitude 
[20:57] <Kilos> ek wonder wat doen daai link met my pc
[20:57] <Kilos> dis so stadig
[20:57] <Kilos> sukkel tot om te copy paste van daar
[21:00] <oomkoos> ek vote vars install...
[21:00] <Kilos> kom ons try net daai site se goed en as dit nie werk nie dan goed
[21:01] <oomkoos> waar trek ons op daai lys?
[21:01] <Kilos> 1/4 pad ek dink
[21:02] <oomkoos> ok wats volgende?
[21:02] <Kilos> ek sukkel om daar te copy om hier te paste
[21:02] <Kilos> het gou dit met wget gehaal
[21:02] <oomkoos> ok hang vas vir 5 min ek nou terug
[21:03] <Kilos> ok
[21:03] <oomkoos> gaan sommer gou die link op my pc net oopmaak dit sal vinniger wees. moet net als nou bymekaar kry
[21:03] <Kilos> lol ok
[21:05] <Kilos> hier gaan ons
[21:05] <Kilos> dis beter
[21:05] <Kilos> dpkg -l | grep compiz
[21:05] <Kilos> dan
[21:05] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install compiz
[21:06] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[21:07] <Kilos> oh my
[21:07] <Kilos> i missed they want you in the ctrl+alt+f1 terminal
[21:10] <oomkoos> crap, ek sien nou eers hoe laat dit al is
[21:10] <Kilos> inetpro, im sure its easier to look at that webpage and use synaptic to reinstall those packages
[21:10] <oomkoos> so used to the clock on the top... hard to see time if it's not there lol
[21:10] <Kilos> lol
[21:11] <Kilos> are you gonna follow those instructions
[21:11] <Kilos> its easier with 2 pcs
[21:11] <oomkoos> ok Kilos I got the page on my pc and bookmarked it. I'll give that a go tomorrow and let you know what the results are
[21:11] <Kilos> ok good then
[21:11] <Kilos> we will be here
[21:11] <Kilos> lekker slaap
[21:11] <oomkoos> I have to get my 7 hours sleep else I'm cranky lol
[21:12] <Kilos> lol
[21:12] <inetpro> skuus oom Kilos
[21:12]  * inetpro besig met ander goodies
[21:12] <oomkoos> dankie vir al julle hulp dit word waardeur! cheers guys!
[21:12] <oomkoos> sien julle more!
[21:12] <inetpro> oomkoos: lekker aand
[21:12] <Kilos> welkom
[21:13] <Kilos> sal more weer kyk dankie inetpro 
[21:13] <Kilos> ek dink ek moet ook bed toe nou
[21:13] <inetpro> ek gaan ook nou slaap
[21:13] <Kilos> lekker slaap julle
[21:13] <inetpro> nag oom