[00:07] <jdobrien> hi! Today something strange happened with Oneric. It's like I have no unity shell anymore
[00:07] <jdobrien> any help would be appreciated
[00:08] <jdobrien> oops Oneiric... 11.10
[00:09] <robin0800> jdobrien: yes some major bugs have been created today
[00:09] <jdobrien> oh ok
[00:09] <jdobrien> i mean...not ok
[00:09] <jdobrien> :)
[00:10] <jdobrien> but this is a 'it's not you, it's me' part of my ubuntu relationship
[00:10] <jdobrien> i'll give 2D a try
[00:11] <robin0800> jdobrien: accordinding to natewiebe this is a workaround....... I fixed it be downgrading lightdm and liblightdm-gobject-1-0 to 0.9.5-0ubuntu2
[00:14] <jdobrien> robin0800, 2D works
[00:41] <FernandoMiguel> I'm too tired... time for bed. nite
[01:08]  * gnomie is having pot pie
[01:09] <famine> got a weird issue in gnome3....in the bottom left it doesnt show 4 workspace screens side by side...it just shows one
[01:10] <gnomie> you mean unity?
[01:11] <famine> naw im using the gnome classic look
[01:12] <gnomie> that's not default option
[01:12] <famine> so?
[01:14] <famine> http://imageshack.us/f/822/201109141948211366x768s.png/ <---thats how it used to look like
[01:14] <famine> now suddenly it looks like this http://imageshack.us/f/851/201109152111471366x768s.png/
[01:14] <famine> (workspace switcher in the bottom right)
[01:31] <BrandonBolton> Hello, is anyone experiencing the 'Not Authorized' window while trying to mount something?
[01:34] <robin0800> BrandonBolton: yes new bug introduced today and the not able to shutdown
[01:35] <BrandonBolton> robin0800, has there been a work around so far? Well, for mounting the drives?
[01:36] <luis_> Just upgraded from 11.04 to 11.10 now when I boot up I get this error message: There is a problem with the configuration server (/usr/libconf2-4/gconf-sanity-check-2 exited with status 32512) Can anyone help me with this?
[01:37] <BrandonBolton> luis_, Did you do a clean install? Did you run all of your updates?
[01:37] <robin0800> BrandonBolton:  accordinding to natewiebe this is a workaround....... I fixed it be downgrading lightdm and liblightdm-gobject-1-0 to 0.9.5-0ubuntu2
[01:38] <BrandonBolton> robin0800, I shall try this right now.
[01:38] <luis_> I think so,  I ran all updates
[01:40] <BrandonBolton> luis_, You think so? How did you install 11.10? In terminal type sudo apt-get update, then after that type sudo apt-get upgrade. What does it say when you do the upgrade?
[01:41] <luis_> I will do it now
[01:41] <BrandonBolton> robin0800, I am on the launchpad.net page for lightdm, which ones do I download?
[01:43] <robin0800> BrandonBolton: don't know have not done this I expect it will be fixed quickly so have not bothered
[01:44] <BrandonBolton> robin0800, That's true, I can always use Ubuntu One for now and/or email. Thanks anyways.
[01:48] <luis_> It says: The following packages will be upgraded: Friendly-recovery upstart 2 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 596 not upgraded Need to get  7,242 B/295 kb of archives. After this operation 45.1 kb of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue?
[01:50] <BrandonBolton> luis_, That means not all of your updates have been installed.
[01:51] <luis_> So I will say yes?
[01:51] <BrandonBolton> luis_, yes.
[01:51] <luis_> Thanks for your help
[02:29] <agkdomo> i tried upgrading to Ubuntu version 11.10  but its been stuck on this process for the past 2 hours (Restarting services possibly affected by the upgrade:  gdm: reloading...done.  cups: stopping....starting. ) and at the top under status it says Unpacking: libpam0g
[02:30] <agkdomo> and suggestions?
[02:30] <agkdomo> i dont wanna turn off and it borks my system
[02:54] <brandon_> Is there a way to disable the guest account? Plus, run a update. The usb mount issue has been fixed.
[02:56] <escott> brandon_, you have to create a file /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf with allow-guest=false under the [SeatDefaults]
[02:57] <brandon_> escott: Thank you, that helped out. I will do it right now. :)
[02:59] <escott> brandon_, if you find any documentation on lightdm let me know
[03:01] <brandon_> escott: I will let you know if I do. Thank you for the help. :)
[05:08] <Angola_Ferkel> good something
[05:08] <wmp> hello, i have problem on 11.10, my init.d dont start on boot when i do update update-rc.d hdparm default
[05:09] <wmp> dont start my script of course
[05:10] <Angola_Ferkel> how can i install initrd to /boot after installed the OS but without a separate /boot partition? grub should boot from the boot partition not from root
[05:10] <wmp> but i have links in /etc/rc*
[05:21] <Angola_Ferkel> grub-install --boot-directory=/tmp/mntroot/boot /dev/sdo
[06:40] <jMCg> There's a couple of things that really irk me.
[06:40] <jMCg> * hibernate doesn't work.
[06:41] <jMCg> * lightdm looks and behaves very awkward on a multimonitor setup
[06:42] <jMCg> * XFCE seems to ignore my settings (wallpapers)
[06:42] <jMCg> * gnome terminal too: it shows the menu bar on startup, even though I tell it not to.
[06:42] <jMCg> I think that's it for now.
[06:42] <jMCg> (At least I got what I wanted: A brand new compiler! :)
[06:49] <vega-> jMCg: btw, have you read the channel topic?
[06:53] <jMCg> I'm pretty sure at the time I joined the channel I must've been 4 hours overdue for bed.
[06:55] <jMCg> vega-: I'm just not sure if any of those are bugs. Well... lightdm being awekward doesn't sound like a bug, sounds more like my opinion. The other 3 do sound like regressions.
[06:57] <jMCg> w00t \o/
[06:57] <jMCg> ubuntu-bug xfce -> xfce doesn't exist
[07:05] <Peddy> is anyone having problems with external hard-drives not appearing?
[07:10] <jMCg> Okay, so it's a problem in xfce4-settings, overriding the settings from xfdesktop4
[07:10] <jMCg> Peddy: which desktop?
[07:10] <Peddy> jMCg, gnome shell
[07:11] <urlin2u> Peddy, you look in the home panel?
[07:35] <jMCg> Temperature is up and fan is doing it's best.. weird.. CPU is low.
[07:58] <jMCg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/851645 xfce ignores my settings.
[08:10] <jMCg> Not quite sure where to submit the temperatur thingy to...
[08:10] <jMCg> And how to put "Fan is spinning like it's getting out of fashion", when the system is not loaded.
[08:16] <jMCg> Okay.. why the heck was nautilus running?
[08:18] <jMCg> What is oneconf-service and what does it do?
[08:18] <jMCg> What is dconf-servce, what does it do? Why does it run?
[08:19] <jMCg> What is goa-daemon.. I guess I can keep that up for quite some time.
[08:26] <jMCg> Okay... what is launching nautilus and why?
[08:33] <jMCg> And why is gnome-screensaver running?
[08:33] <Peter_bilt> i had a error W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw for module r8169
[08:33] <jMCg> Peter_bilt: is it missing? Can you find it?
[08:34] <jMCg> apt-file search /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw
[08:36] <Peter_bilt> ait its updating apt-update
[08:36] <Peter_bilt> nothing found
[08:39] <jMCg> Peter_bilt: http://sprunge.us/hAIR
[08:44] <Peter_bilt> i've found rtl8168d-1.fw and .rtl8168d-2.fw
[08:44] <Peter_bilt> but not the e
[08:46] <jMCg> Peter_bilt: then it's possibly missing :)
[08:47] <Peter_bilt> i tried to find that here
[08:47] <Peter_bilt> http://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/romieu/linux-firmware.git
[08:47] <Peter_bilt> but the link is broken
[08:48] <Peter_bilt> someone tried to install the nvidia driver with 3.1 kernel?
[08:49] <Peter_bilt> kernel org is down, but how long....
[08:50] <jMCg> until they fix it.
[08:52] <treffer> so padevchooser was removed. I have multiple pulseaudio servers (including an openwrt box). What's now the preferred way for fast device switching?
[08:55] <Peter_bilt> http://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-realtek
[08:57] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1765526 treffer this may be relevant
[08:58] <Peter_bilt> i dont have any treffer card afaik, its a realtek
[08:58] <bazhang> Peter_bilt, that was meant for the user treffer not the card of that name
[08:58] <Peter_bilt> ah sorry i was a little paralyzed by gnome
[08:59] <treffer> bazhang: I tried paprefs, it does not allow me to change the settings...
[09:00] <bazhang> treffer, what about pavucontrol
[09:01] <treffer> bazhang: doesn't show the remote devices as it's disabled (and controls grayed out) in paprefs
[09:02] <bazhang> !find paman
[09:02] <iceroot> the package "padevchooser" is missing in 11.10. is there a place to read up why it is not in the repos?
[09:02] <bazhang> !info paman
[09:02] <bazhang> treffer, perhaps paman
[09:03] <treffer> bazhang: negative. But it at least shows that zeroconf is not autoloaded
[09:04] <bazhang> treffer, okay, will keep checking, seems an issue lots of folks are running into
[09:04] <gnomie> you know what could be useful? apport script to install and add debugging symbols to report. with user permission of course
[09:05] <Galerien> Hi everyone, I installed the beta ubuntu 11.10 and I have a problem with the terminal, it doesn't appear when I launch it... It's like a completely transparent window. I can tip on it, click and stuff, but I can't see anything except for the mac-like bare unity is using for everything now on the top left corner... can someone help me ?
[09:05] <bazhang> file a wishlist bug gnomie
[09:09] <iceroot> do i have to add some tags to this bug so that the right people will see it? or is everything ok with that bug-report? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/padevchooser/+bug/851695
[09:23] <Peter_Bilt> ok
[09:23] <Peter_Bilt> that firmware module was positive
[09:23] <Peter_Bilt> so now i got no display unfnordunately
[09:44] <Peter_Bilt> ok it works with gfx and all
[09:49] <vega-> ha, ugprade from 11.04 to oneiric: the upgrade has aborted. your system could be in an unusable state. a recovery will run now (dpkg --configure -a).
[10:06] <MechanisM> hello! after yesturday updates I'm unable to mount any additional HDDs (some ntfs some btrfs)
[10:06] <MechanisM> before updates everything was okay.
[10:07] <MechanisM> where's the problem?
[10:09] <iceroot> MechanisM: error-messages?
[10:10] <MechanisM> yep like Unable to Mount Not Authorized.
[10:10] <iceroot> MechanisM: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda2 /media/foobar ?
[10:11] <iceroot> you didnt forget the sudo?
[10:11] <MechanisM> I'm mounting just by clicking on nautilus
[10:11] <MechanisM> it's always worked
[10:13] <MechanisM> in nautilus i see available hdds to mount click on it and it was mounted untill yesterday updates..
[10:16] <tasslehoff> Is 11.04->11.10 via apt broken at the moment? It failed when I tried it in a virtual machine yesterday.
[10:16] <iceroot> tasslehoff: worked 30 min ago
[10:19] <tasslehoff> iceroot: thanks for the info.
[10:40] <vega-> tasslehoff: failed for me an hour ago or so
[10:40] <vega-> 12:50 < vega-> ha, ugprade from 11.04 to oneiric: the upgrade has aborted. your system could be in  an unusable state. a recovery will run now (dpkg --configure -a).
[10:41] <vega-> more specifically: Exception during pm.DoInstall():  E:Could not perform immediate configuration on 'python-pyatspi2'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
[10:41] <funtime> does anyone know what is the equivalent of /etc/gdm/Init/Default in the new desktop manager?
[10:42] <vega-> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11253447
[10:43] <tasslehoff> vega-: that was the one I got, though I didn't check the details.
[10:44] <tasslehoff> thanks for the fix
[10:44] <vega-> np
[10:56] <funtime> forgive my ignorance but what desktop manager is used by oneiric?
[11:01] <vega-> not really sure what desktop manager refers to .. but isn't it unity by default?
[11:02] <tomodachi> vega-:  funtime  yes that is the case
[11:03] <iceroot> tasslehoff: ah ok i was just upgrading a lubuntu system so i dont run into that problem
[11:15] <iceroot> what is the name of the mail-applet used in 11.10 which is also supporting thunderbird?
[11:16] <iceroot> in lxde (dont know if it is the same in gnome)
[11:39] <funtime> it used to be gdm in the older versions
[11:43] <vega-> does unity 3d work without the nvidia proprietary drivers, ie. does oneiric default install nowadays use some open drivers or something?
[11:43] <vega-> just thinking because this is completely unusable now..
[12:00] <chakra888> Is anyone using postgresql with oneiric?
[12:00] <iceroot> !anyone | chakra888
[12:00] <chakra888> ubottu: Will surely do :)
[12:00] <iceroot> funtime: lgdm
[12:01] <chakra888> The postgresql is updated to version 9.1 but the pgadmin is still 1.12 version which has been tested against 9.0
[12:02] <iceroot> chakra888: is it working with 9.1?
[12:02] <chakra888> It works but gives a warning while connecting to 9.1
[12:02] <remoteCTRL> how do i log into gnome3?
[12:02] <chakra888> The version compatible is 1.14 which is still in RC stage
[12:02] <remoteCTRL> i get nothing to choose from at the login screen
[12:02] <iceroot> chakra888: i guess the best is to open a bug about this issue
[12:03] <iceroot> chakra888: "ubuntu-bug pgadmin"
[12:03] <chakra888> iceroot: Thanks. I will report a bug for this once a final release of pgadmin3 is done
[12:04] <iceroot> chakra888: you should open it now to that the case is reported
[12:06] <maxagaz> hi
[12:06] <chakra888> iceroot: I will do it now as after searching I didn't find any similar bug there
[12:07] <maxagaz> I still can't log into gnome shell, I always get the same error message : Failed to load session "gnome"
[12:07] <maxagaz> (on a fresh install)
[12:07] <maxagaz> (but I did all the updates)
[12:12] <remoteCTRL> how do i log into gnome3 in oneiric?
[12:13] <tomodachi> remoteCTRL: if you have it installed I Imagine its the same as in ubuntu 11.04 ,
[12:13] <tomodachi> once you selecet your username from the login menu, down in the corner , you can select what desktop environment you want
[12:13] <vega-> remoteCTRL: afaik there's no "gnome3" option but either gnome shell or unity ..
[12:14] <remoteCTRL> tomodachi: well that was what i was imagining, but gnome3-session is installed, and i get no shell chooser at login
[12:14] <remoteCTRL> vega-: so how do i get the gnome3 shell?
[12:14] <vega-> install gnome-shell and choose "gnome" at login ..
[12:14] <remoteCTRL> geeez...
[12:14] <remoteCTRL> hahaha
[12:14] <remoteCTRL> ok, gimme a sec
[12:15] <maxagaz> remoteCTRL, it doesn't wor for me :-(
[12:15] <iceroot> chakra888: thats good
[12:15] <remoteCTRL> vega-: as a matter of fact you were right, there really was the session and the core installed but not the shell...
[12:16] <remoteCTRL> maxagaz: tell u in a sec whether it does for me...
[12:17] <maxagaz> remoteCTRL, but I'm trying with amd oneiric in a virtual box, perhaps it's linked (?)
[12:18] <vega-> maxagaz: yeah, didn't work for me in virtualbox either
[12:18] <remoteCTRL> well it gives me "failed to login session gnome"
[12:18] <vega-> i don't think it works under virtualbox at all..
[12:18] <remoteCTRL> and i have it on a esxi virtual machine
[12:18] <maxagaz> remoteCTRL, same for me
[12:18] <vega-> (i had the same error)
[12:18] <remoteCTRL> meaning mvware not virtualbox
[12:19] <remoteCTRL> vmware even
[12:19] <remoteCTRL> geeez...
[12:19] <remoteCTRL> i am having a really hard time befreinding with unity...
[12:20] <remoteCTRL> ya this is not too good...
[12:20] <remoteCTRL> and unity in oneiric is just about as stable as plutonium
[12:20] <remoteCTRL> we are sorry, blabla has crashed, would you like to help improve ubuntu by sending a crash report?
[12:21] <remoteCTRL> while blabla is just ebout every application that i have open for more than 2 minutes
[12:21] <remoteCTRL> naissssss
[12:21] <vega-> yes, just all kinds of things crashing by themselves, even when not doing anything just minding my own business..
[12:21] <remoteCTRL> exactly
[12:21] <remoteCTRL> this dont look to good...
[12:27] <chakra888> iceroot: Bug filed #833824
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:30] <eitch> hi guys, i installed oneiric yesterday and it is looking good. Yet i have a problem: Is there a reason that the users and group ui can not be used to modify anything? The unlock button is disabled... Is that still in development?
[12:34] <remoteCTRL> and why does about:config not work anymore???
[12:34] <remoteCTRL> how do i decrease the icon size in the launcher?
[12:39] <donofrio> morning all; gotta question about powerpc and 11.10
[12:40] <donofrio>  in alt mode it is unable to find the cdrom and I cannot find the kernel object called ide-scsi
[12:41] <donofrio> this is on a older MacMini
[12:41] <donofrio> in livecd mode after install completes and it reboots the host its unable to boot just get blinking folder icon
[12:46] <Peter_Bilt> ok
[12:48] <Peter_Bilt> try fedora 15
[12:48] <Peter_Bilt> start from cd again
[13:05] <donofrio> does anyone here use PowerPC arch?
[13:06] <coz_> donofrio,   I believe there is an #ubuntu-powerpc channel    not sure it is for newer macs though
[13:06] <donofrio> this is older mac with newer ubuntu (-:
[13:06] <donofrio> 11.10
[13:07] <donofrio> I'm wondering why the Alt installer cannot find the cdrom
[13:07] <donofrio> and why the livecd cannot boot properly after an successful install
[13:07] <coz_> donofrio,  then try the #ubuntu-powerpc channel  ,, they would have more resources  for this
[13:10] <karlhunt> what does the google account integration do?
[13:13] <karlhunt> nm
[13:30] <donofrio> it just displays the folder icon blinking after the bootup chime
[13:30] <donofrio> )-:
[13:36] <rog> upgrading from 11.04 to 11.10 i got this error message: Exception during pm.DoInstall():  E:Could not perform immediate configuration on 'python-pyatspi2'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
[13:37] <rog> python-pyatspi2 isn't even installed
[13:37] <rog> the upgrade seems to have failed
[13:37] <rog> what should i do now?
[13:38] <donofrio> I've seen that b4
[13:39] <donofrio> try apt-get update && apt-get disto-upgrade -y -f
[13:39] <rog> is my system still in a usable state? if i reboot will it all fail?
[13:39] <donofrio> where in the install it the error?
[13:40] <rog> donofrio: presumably you mean apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[13:40] <donofrio> yah with -y and -f
[13:43] <cryptk> I just want to give a quick shout out to anyone in here that has been working on oneric... it looks amazing
[13:43] <cryptk> the new login screen is gorgeous
[13:44] <cryptk> Ubuntu has had the functionality down for a long time... I am extremely pleased to see it getting some "form" thrown on top of that "function"
[13:45] <rog> donofrio:
[13:45] <rog> Errors were encountered while processing:  libpam0g
[13:45] <rog> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[13:47] <rog> hmm, tried it again and:
[13:47] <rog> E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'util-linux'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)
[13:48] <escott> rog, errors with libpam would be more concerning. you probably dont want to do anything that would lose your root terminal
[13:49] <rog> escott: ok, that's somewhat of a relief, but it does mean (i think) that i can't upgrade to 11.10, right?
[13:50] <escott> rog, you've pulled the trigger now, you have to complete the upgrade
[13:50] <rog> ok, i was worried about that
[13:50] <rog> so... how?
[13:51] <rog> i'm slightly tempted just to nuke the entire system and start again from scratch.
[13:51] <rog> which would be a pain.
[13:51] <escott> rog, you have to keep trying to hammer on apt-get update; upgrade; dist-upgrade; and --fix-broken until it goes through
[13:52] <rog> why all the apt-get updates? surely the package index files aren't changing that quickly?
[13:53] <escott> rog, ~20 a day
[13:53] <escott> rog, that is 20 or so new packages (and thats just my system)
[13:55] <rog> ok
[13:55] <rog> now a new question: Most services that use PAM need to be restarted to use modules built for this  new version of libpam.  Please review the following space-separated list of  init.d scripts for services to be restarted now, and correct it if needed.
[13:56] <rog> what's the correct answer to that?
[13:57] <IdleOne> probably best to restart the services
[13:57] <rog> which ones though?!
[13:57] <IdleOne> doesn't it list them?
[13:57] <rog> prompt is: Services to restart for PAM library upgrade:
[13:57] <rog> nope
[13:57] <IdleOne> go with default if it's blank leave it blank.
[13:58] <rog> guess i'll just try none, yeah
[14:01] <rog> well, that failed several times, but it carried on regardless. x fingers.
[14:02] <IdleOne> rog: you have backups for your important data right?
[14:09]  * wrtp was formerly known as rog
[14:10] <wrtp> but the upgrade process seems to have killed my network connection
[14:10] <wrtp> so on a different machine now
[14:10] <tensorpudding> can someone post a screenshot of what unity looks like now?
[14:11] <tensorpudding> i saw one related to the new version of USC, which piqued my interest
[14:23] <wrtp> ok, so apt-get dist-upgrade has now completed, apparently without errors.
[14:23] <wrtp> is there anything i should do now before i try rebooting?
[14:25] <wrtp> various relevant files (e.g. /etc/lsb.release, /etc/issue) seem to indicate that the system is now upgraded
[14:27] <eitch> hi guys, i installed oneiric yesterday and it is looking good. Yet i have a problem: Is there a reason that the users and group ui can not be used to modify anything? The unlock button is disabled... Is that still in development?
[14:41] <wrtp> ok, just rebooted into oneiric. logged in ok, but two boxes popped up:
[14:41] <BluesKaj> wrtp,  dist-upgrade just upgrades existing files, not the OS
[14:41] <wrtp> "Sorry, the package "libpam0g 1.1.3-2ubuntu1" failed to install or upgrade
[14:41] <wrtp> BluesKaj: oh.
[14:42] <wrtp> BluesKaj: how do i upgrade the OS then?
[14:42] <wrtp> the other one: "Sorry, AT SPI Registry closed unexpectedly"
[14:44] <BluesKaj> wrtp, sudo do-release-upgrade -d , but make sure you a regular update/upgrade first , and any ppas you've added should be disabled or commented in sources.list with a#
[14:44] <wrtp> BluesKaj: ok, i'll try that
[14:48] <wrtp> although i've no idea which ppas i've added
[14:49] <wrtp> BluesKaj: do-release-upgrade says "no new release found"
[14:49] <wrtp> i guess that means the OS *has* been upgraded, right?
[14:49] <BluesKaj> wrtp, sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[14:50] <BluesKaj> you need the -d for developement release
[14:50] <wrtp> that's what i did (although without the sudo 'cos i was already root)
[14:50] <BluesKaj> which is 11.10
[14:50] <wrtp> how can i tell which version of the OS i've got installed? is /etc/issue definitive?
[14:51] <BluesKaj> you said do-release-upgrade
[14:51] <wrtp> yeah, but i actually ran do-release-upgrade -d
[14:52] <BluesKaj> ok, when you quote your commands make sure their exact
[14:52] <wrtp> sorry
[14:54] <BluesKaj> wrtp, lsb_release -a , will tell your OS version
[14:54] <wrtp> BluesKaj: it says 11.10
[15:00] <BluesKaj> oops I mean they're exact ..I'd better be exact as well :)
[15:02] <BluesKaj> wrtp, run an update , upgrade , to see if that libpam0g 1.1.3-2ubuntu1 will install
[15:13] <MechanisM> hmm after updates I can't open not only external hdds, but even usb flash drives.. what to do?
[15:13] <MechanisM> I can't even avacuate files to other drive to reinstall
[15:58] <faryshta> Hi. How can I install 11.10 on a usb?
[16:00] <iceroot> !usb  | faryshta
[16:00] <faryshta> pendrivelinux doesn't support 11.10 iceroot
[16:01] <iceroot> faryshta: there is no difference between an installation on hdd and on an usb-stick, just use /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sda at installation-gui
[16:02] <faryshta> iceroot: sadly I am on a windows which I want to format.
[16:02] <faryshta> and what I want is to use the usb to install 11.10 iceroot
[16:04] <iceroot> faryshta: the 11.10 iso can easiy be put by dd or something similar to the usb-stick
[16:04] <zykotick9_> faryshta, do you know the dev of your USB?  ie /dev/sdc type thing?
[16:05] <faryshta> I am on windows  :( zykotick9_ so no.
[16:05] <zykotick9_> faryshta, ahh - sorry i can't help then.  Good luck.
[16:06] <faryshta> iceroot: I simply place the .iso on the usb?
[16:08] <iceroot> faryshta: no
[16:08] <iceroot> faryshta: what about using 11.04? instead of a beta?
[16:11] <IdleOne> iceroot: he could dd the iso
[16:11] <IdleOne> I don't remember the syntax for it though
[16:11] <faryshta> IdleOne: how?
[16:12] <IdleOne> hmm wait your in windows you said
[16:12] <charlie-tca> IdleOne: does it work from windows?
[16:12] <IdleOne> charlie-tca: no clue but doubtful
[16:12] <iceroot> IdleOne: dd if=/foo/bar/file.iso of=/dev/sdb  but he has windows
[16:13] <iceroot> faryshta: also the usb-creator from 11.04 should work with the 11.10 iso
[16:13] <faryshta> iceroot: I installed usb-creator but doesn't give you the option to use 11.10
[16:13] <iceroot> faryshta: also why using pendrivelinux? ubuntu has buildin tools to do that and please dont use crosspostings
[16:13] <IdleOne> faryshta: but it does give you the option to select the iso you downloaded
[16:14] <faryshta> pendrivelinux is a site to download several tools to usb instalation.
[16:14] <faryshta> IdleOne:
[16:15] <IdleOne> I know what pendrivelinux is
[16:15] <faryshta> IdleOne: sorry that message was meant to iceroot
[16:16] <IdleOne> I am positive iceroot also knows
[16:16] <iceroot> faryshta: download vbox, mount a usb stick there and install ubuntu to that stick :)
[16:17] <spacebug-> I'm having problems with the indicator-plugin in xubuntu 11.10. I'm trying to run the indicator-sysmonitor but the output does not get updated. It works great in xubuntu 11.04 and it works in ubuntu (unity) 11.04 and 11.10 so it seems the problem is in the indicator-plugin for xubuntu 11.10. Anyone?
[16:23] <peto_> hello
[16:24] <faryshta> Hi. How can I install 11.10 on a usb?
[16:24] <IdleOne> faryshta: this is the correct channel to get help with 11.10
[16:25] <faryshta> IdleOne: which help?
[16:25] <faryshta> Can you help?
[16:25] <IdleOne> anything pertaining to 11.10
[16:25] <faryshta> I was getting some responses at the other channel.
[16:25] <faryshta> Not here.
[16:25] <IdleOne> iceroot: gave you some options, scroll back and read.
[16:25] <faryshta> I would still need to burn the iso somewhere.
[16:26] <faryshta> with the iceroot solution I need to have a bootable unit to create a bootable unit.
[16:26] <IdleOne> why must it be 11.10? why not 11.04?
[16:26] <faryshta> because.
[16:26] <iceroot> faryshta: no
[16:26] <IdleOne> not a good enough answer. my 7 year old gives those types of answers
[16:26] <iceroot> faryshta: install vbox, and boot the iso in vbix and install to the usb stick
[16:27] <faryshta> IdleOne: I don't need to explain my reasons.
[16:28] <faryshta> iceroot: I still need a bootable unit to install 11.10 on vbox.
[16:28] <peto_> if I virtualize Ubuntu 11.10 beta inside Ubuntu 11.04 with VirtualBox... how can I access 11.04 filesystem archives in 11.04 from the virtualized  beta?
[16:28] <iceroot> faryshta: what?
[16:28] <iceroot> faryshta: sudo apt-get install vbox
[16:28] <faryshta> iceroot: I am on a windows which I want to format.
[16:28] <iceroot> faryshta: start it, boot the iso in vbox and install to the usb stick
[16:28] <escott> peto_, guest additions
[16:28] <iceroot> faryshta: then install vbox on windows
[16:29] <peto_> thank you escott
[16:29] <dr_willis> http://blog.sudobits.com/2011/09/11/how-to-install-ubuntu-11-10-from-usb-drive-or-cd/  looks promiseing. :) testing it out now
[16:30] <faryshta> how can I boot the iso iceroot ? I need a cd or a usb which is what I am trying to create.
[16:30] <iceroot> faryshta: ever used vbox?
[16:30] <iceroot> faryshta: just donwload the iso and say vbox to start that iso file
[16:31] <IdleOne> faryshta: with virtualbox you can "install" with the iso you downloaded and then from within that install you can create a USB install of the same iso.
[16:31] <IdleOne> virtualbox does not require a physical medium to install
[16:42] <tensorpudding> hooray, my oneiric upgrade failed, and the partial upgrade i attempted failed too
[16:43] <IdleOne> never do partial upgrades
[16:43] <IdleOne> partial as they may seem they break everything
[16:43] <tensorpudding> but how do i finish the upgrade otherwise?
[16:44] <tensorpudding> it worked fine before, anyway
[16:45] <IdleOne> apt-get -f install
[16:46] <IdleOne> might help a little
[16:46] <tensorpudding> hacks
[16:47] <IdleOne> haxz
[16:49] <tensorpudding> that didn't do anything
[16:50] <tensorpudding> there were no packages to install
[16:50] <tensorpudding> just 1304 to not upgrade
[17:19] <tensorpudding> the problem won't go away
[17:20] <tensorpudding> all the packages are held back
[17:20] <tensorpudding> and the upgrade tool fails because the packages are held
[17:25] <tensorpudding> okay, so what can i do to make this upgrade work
[17:31] <tensorpudding> i can't force the packages to install
[17:31] <tensorpudding> and the upgrade tool won't install them because it thinks they're held
[17:34] <escott> tensorpudding, are they in fact held? have you checked with dpkg?
[17:34] <tensorpudding> how would i check
[17:35] <escott> tensorpudding, dpkg --get-selections | grep -v install
[17:36] <tensorpudding> nothing
[17:38] <tensorpudding> but apt won't install them either
[17:38] <escott> tensorpudding, then they are held-back to deal with conflicting dependencies. if you can determine what is being held-back and why you can try to file a bug, or just wait until the package mantainer fixes up the dependencies
[17:38] <winut> i'd like to report a bug installing ppa's in synaptic on kubuntu 11.10
[17:39] <tensorpudding> that's pretty nasty
[17:39] <hifi> wtf, this is ridiculous, installed win7 on a completely different disk, it overwrote my first boot disk MBR so grub got kicked out, reinstalling grub gives Error 6
[17:39] <tensorpudding> i found a conflict regarding flash
[17:39] <hifi> and grub2 is very crap, very
[17:40] <winut> you are presented with a gpg error after adding a ppa to synaptic. it only works by removing the apt entries afterwards then closing and re opening repositories to add the ppa, and then refreshing again, then the ppa installs
[17:41] <bjsnider> grub2 is great
[17:42] <hifi> yeah, if it only did not flicker my screen and just leave them off :p
[17:42] <winut> i cant use muon because its not stable yet
[17:42] <winut> i can workaround the bug but i want someone else to confirm this if possible on kubuntu 11,10
[17:44] <hifi> I think the old grub package is broken on oneiric
[17:44] <hifi> 0.97 grub depending on 1.99 grub-common, I see
[17:46] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[17:48] <bjsnider> hifi, have you read the grub2 docs?
[17:48] <hifi> well, can I just use grub1 until I actually reinstall everything?
[17:48] <hifi> I have everything set up so well for it
[17:48] <dr_willis> if grub1 is working. Yes. :)
[17:48] <hifi> well someone broke it
[17:49] <hifi> I'm hitting error 6 as it is installing brub2 files to /boot/grub from grub-common
[17:49] <dr_willis> You need some Grub-Glue to fix it?
[17:49] <dr_willis> cant say ive had such errors..
[17:49] <tensorpudding> oh damn
[17:49] <hifi> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=209340 I'm getting that error but with latest grub package
[17:50] <hifi> the exact same thing
[17:50] <tensorpudding> when i told it to remove nspluginwrapper, it started removing and installing other stuff
[17:50] <hifi> grub-install fails and wiping /boot/grub doesn't help
[17:50] <tensorpudding> is it safe to let apt mess with these packages?
[17:55] <hifi> \:O/
[17:55] <hifi> grub and grub-common from natty worked
[17:55] <bjsnider> you were still using grub and not grub2 in natty?
[17:56] <hifi> this installation is from around intrepid I think, kept in sync with latest development tree
[17:56] <hifi> last time I *installed* grub was back then
[17:57] <bjsnider> everybody was automatically switched to grub2 a couple distros ago i believe
[17:57] <hifi> oh, that might explain why grub was broken in oneiric
[17:58] <bjsnider> so grub2 is not by itself doing anything wrong on your system, although the current version might have a bug in it
[17:58] <bjsnider> also, if you haven't read the wiki page about it, you might not know the commands and whatnot to fix it
[17:58] <hifi> I don't think grub2 does anything wrong, I just don't want to upgrade to it and mess with the VGA mode and all that
[17:58] <hifi> grub 1 currently handles my KMS and everything just fine
[17:59] <hifi> time to see if my grub reinstallation worked
[17:59] <tensorpudding> this apt thing is sure removing a lot of stuff
[17:59] <escott> bjsnider, i dont think the conversion was ever automatic, it was suggested, and most people eventually have to reinstall after a half-dozen upgrades
[18:00] <bjsnider> i think the switch was automatic around lucid, but i could be wrong
[18:00] <hifi> phew, it does
[18:00] <tensorpudding> with respect to upgradeability, windows puts linux to shame
[18:00] <hifi> I don't think it was automatic, just suggested
[18:00] <hifi> as I clearly just said no
[18:00] <tensorpudding> you can upgrade from ms-dos to windows vista without reinstalling
[18:01] <bjsnider> there's no reason not to switch though
[18:01] <hifi> this was a very tough situation
[18:01] <hifi> and it should've not been this hard
[18:01] <hifi> I mean, I had a working grub 1 multi-boot on a single drive
[18:01] <IdleOne> tensorpudding: consider that you are upgrading to an unstable beta
[18:01] <hifi> installed win7 to a new disk from windows xp
[18:01] <tensorpudding> i know
[18:02] <hifi> win7 overwrote the first disk's MBR and made it boot the second disk, booting win7 by default
[18:02] <escott> hifi, the reality is that very few 11.10 users will be using grub1 so its not particularly well tested
[18:02] <tensorpudding> even ignoring that
[18:02] <IdleOne> hopefully and with some luck these issueswill be resolved byrelease
[18:02] <bjsnider> well, grub can handle that
[18:02] <IdleOne> messed up space bar :/
[18:02] <hifi> this was a bit surprising but kind of expected, as of course it wants to boot off
[18:02] <hifi> anyway, after I got win7 up I wanted to restore my grub, of course
[18:02] <hifi> so what were my options?
[18:02] <tensorpudding> also, when i say "from ms-dos to vista", i mean with hops in the middle
[18:03] <hifi> I had a LTS CD around so I put that in
[18:03] <hifi> followed the recovery steps on wiki
[18:03] <dr_willis> If someone was trying to get the ISO file to a flash drive. :) i figured out an easy way.
[18:03] <IdleOne> dr_willis: dd
[18:03] <hifi> ran boot-repair-disk as instructed
[18:03] <dr_willis> in windows i mean
[18:03] <dr_willis> :)
[18:03] <dr_willis> https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download
[18:03] <IdleOne> dr_willis: do tell :)
[18:03] <hifi> it seemed to do it's thing, found all the OSes installed and installed grub (or something)
[18:03] <dr_willis> rename the foo.iso to be foo.img   and use the tool as normal
[18:04] <hifi> rebooted and win7's boot menu popped up
[18:04] <dr_willis> just tested it. :)
[18:04] <hifi> so it messed up, real bad
[18:04] <dr_willis> cant seem to find a simpiler  dd type front end for windows.
[18:04] <hifi> tried to boot the win7 disk directly and to my surprise grub was installed to that disks MBR
[18:04] <tensorpudding> ...
[18:04] <escott> hifi, i would boot a livecd and then chroot in and then go ahead and upgrade to grub2
[18:04] <hifi> and it failed to load stage1
[18:04] <tensorpudding> apt removed update-manager
[18:04] <hifi> escott: that was the first working solution
[18:04] <tensorpudding> it no longer exists
[18:05] <hifi> anyway, I messed with boot-repair a few times but it clearly didn't do anything good
[18:05] <hifi> so I went ahead to do the classic thing and chrooted my ubuntu and tried grub-install
[18:05] <hifi> but it hit that error about wrong stage files
[18:05] <hifi> at this point I screamed :p
[18:05] <escott> hifi, but which grub-install is that? grub1 install or grub2 install?
[18:05] <hifi> grub1
[18:06] <hifi> grub-common was updated in oneiric and was incompatible with "grub" classic package
[18:06] <hifi> natty's grub and grub-common worked together
[18:06] <dr_willis> that tool is the one thats mentioned on the netbook img to usb  wiki page. - well i gotta run. Night all..
[18:06] <IdleOne> dr_willis: thanks for the info, passed it on to faryshta via memoserv
[18:06] <tensorpudding> why did apt remove a ton of programs...
[18:06] <escott> hifi, i would remove the version of grub you have and then install the grub2 package and install grub2. its not usually recommended to not have a bootloader, but since you have a non-bootable system anyways you cant make it worse
[18:06] <IdleOne> tensorpudding: to replace them?
[18:06] <tensorpudding> it didn't
[18:07] <tensorpudding> it finished, and update-manager is no longer there
[18:07] <hifi> escott: I did do that first
[18:07] <dr_willis> IdleOne:  there are ports of dd for windows i found. :)  dd.exe if=foo.iso of=g:
[18:07] <hifi> escott: grub2 did boot (directly to my first kernel which is unbootable) so I just saw the cursor blink
[18:07] <hifi> I didn't expact that as I was accustomed to my grub1 menu
[18:07] <tensorpudding> it removed a bunch of userspace programs too
[18:07] <hifi> not unbootable technically, it just boots slow (bug reported)
[18:08] <escott> hifi, right the menu options are a bit different and it may not show a splash. you can tweak the customization in /etc/default/grub
[18:08] <tensorpudding> don't i have to run update-manager to complete my upgrade
[18:08] <hifi> also the gfx passsomething option of grub2 messed up my kms
[18:08] <hifi> I could boot a working kernel but my screen was left blank
[18:09] <hifi> the actual solution to boot correctly to my system from grub2 was to use "text" gfxwhatever
[18:09] <bjsnider> hifi, where does the lts disc come into this? are you using an old version of grub2?
[18:09] <hifi> but it didn't bring up my KMS
[18:09] <escott> hifi, then rerun update-grub2
[18:09] <hifi> bjsnider: I used the LTS disc to get a recovery console to chroot and run boot-repair
[18:09] <tensorpudding> ugh
[18:10] <tensorpudding> libpam0g wanted to restart gdm
[18:10] <tensorpudding> why does it default to trying to restart gdm
[18:10] <tensorpudding> allowing it to do so would cause the upgrade to crash when gnome exited
[18:10] <hifi> but I did run boot-repair on LTS and not my installed system
[18:10] <hifi> and boot-repair on LTS was installig grub on the wrong disk
[18:11] <hifi> it found my system on sda1 but it installed grub on sdb MBR
[18:11] <tensorpudding> is that not a bug?
[18:11] <hifi> the bottom line was that grub package is broken on oneiric
[18:12] <hifi> boot-repair chrooted my oneiric and run stuff there and as grub was BROKEN it didn't fix anything
[18:12] <bjsnider> why use oneiric and not natty?
[18:12] <hifi> what?
[18:12] <hifi> you are asking this on #ubuntu+1?
[18:13] <bjsnider> why use an unstable distro and not one that is stable?
[18:13] <tensorpudding> if i could open a web browser i'd file a bug for it
[18:13] <hifi> did I at any point say I'm a regular user who wants to run stable?
[18:13] <bjsnider> no, but it's implied by how upset you seem to be
[18:13] <hifi> I have my reasons to run unstable, I can work around all problems
[18:14] <FernandoMiguel> tensorpudding: you can do it via CLI
[18:14] <hifi> like I did, but it ended up being a bug that stopped me in the first place
[18:14] <FernandoMiguel> I've done it in the past
[18:15] <tensorpudding> how
[18:15] <tensorpudding> the upgrader seems to be doing a lot of unpacking but i don't see any installing
[18:15] <hifi> what I was actually upset was that win7 overwrote my grub on the disk I wasn't installing it
[18:15] <tensorpudding> isn't it supposed to be installing
[18:16] <escott> hifi, from MS perspective it makes sense. they don't want someone saying windows won't boot because it doesn't setup the mbr of the disk first in the boot order
[18:17] <hifi> yes, in the end it does
[18:17] <bjsnider> hifi, i think that happened because sda is the first drive, and is therefore assumed to have the mbr. if you unplug the sata cable to that drive while you install win7 it will pick the next drive in the list
[18:17] <escott> hifi, and obviously why would anyone want to run anything other than windows
[18:17] <hifi> obviously
[18:17] <urlin2u> lol
[18:18] <hifi> bjsnider: I was installing win7 from my XP (which was on the first drive with grub) so I couldn't unplug the disk, unfortunately
[18:18] <hifi> though I must credit MS for being able to do that
[18:18] <hifi> instaling a fresh copy of 7 from XP on a completely different disk
[18:19] <bjsnider> totally unsurprising int hat event that it overwrote the mbr
[18:19] <bjsnider> 100% expected
[18:20] <hifi> I was prepared it would do that, but the pain of reinstalling my beloved old grub was surprisingly hard :p
[18:20] <urlin2u> hifi, if you use a .exe install from XP it will put the XP in a old windows and write that mbr of that disc get a W7 disc and do a fresh install the ms bootloader goes where you want=same disc as install.
[18:21] <hifi> it rewrote MBR of both disks
[18:21] <hifi> booting from any of them naturally brought win7 menu
[18:21] <urlin2u> hifi, did you run the bootscript to confirm that or is this a guess
[18:22] <hifi> the initial setup before installation was that the disk had an empty NTFS partition (the destination disk) and the source disk had grub, after installing win7 on the destination disk both disks from the BIOS boot menu booted up 7
[18:23] <hifi> and I think the destination disk had grub in its MBR
[18:23] <urlin2u> hifi, if the disc you have first is not bootable it will move to the second and boot that is a flawed arguementy.
[18:24] <urlin2u> arguement*
[18:24] <hifi> that would only happen if it would invalidate the first disk MBR
[18:24] <hifi> and why would it?
[18:24] <hifi> I'd guess it just wrote it to jump to the correct disk with win7
[18:25] <hifi> but anyway, this doesn't matter, grub was broken on oneiric, that was the actual problem, I had a tough time getting it back up, case closed, I will forget to open a bug about that
[18:25] <urlin2u> hifi, without proff like the bootscript it is hard to say I wasn't around you obviously didn't run it this is pretty easy stuff once you know how it works and use the script.
[18:25] <hifi> as no one will probably care, like no one does about my 3.0.0 slow boot problem
[18:27] <urlin2u> hifi, you have a install from XP .exe did you know you could buy the disc for like 5$ more if this was a upgrade.
[18:28] <urlin2u> you can also make that install .exe into a ISO
[18:29] <hifi> everything installed correctly, I'm satisfied :p
[18:29] <hifi> (now if I can get win7 to boot again)
[18:30] <bjsnider> add a grub entry that points to the mbr of sdb
[18:34] <urlin2u> hifi, run the bootscript it will tell what is where. http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/
[18:36] <urlin2u> hifi you need this in the windows to boot it /bootmgr /Boot/BCD /Windows/System32/winload.exe    often the /bootmgr/Boot/BCD is missing under the circumstance you have describede
[18:37] <hifi> win7 booted just fine now
[18:37] <hifi> it works, not touching it
[18:39] <urlin2u> hifi straight in, without grub correct?
[18:39] <hifi> I booted trough my sda grub to XP (sda1) it brought up the win7 boot menu which allows me to select win7 and xp
[18:40] <urlin2u> hifi, cool so you are working then?
[18:40] <hifi> booting my win7 drive directly will probably show me a broken grub
[18:40] <hifi> as the tool installed grub on the wrong disc
[18:41] <winut> anyone here using evolution mail 3 on 11.10? thanks
[18:41] <urlin2u> hifi, when you have XP and W7 or ant two MS they mix their boot loader together, the script would tell all this.
[18:41] <hifi> I will be removing the XP from my main drive some day
[18:41] <winut> it seems to ask for many separate passwords for each mailbox or something like that
[18:41] <urlin2u> hifi, a XP and W7 together looks like this, /bootmgr /Boot/BCD /Windows/System32/winload.exe
[18:41] <urlin2u>                        /ntldr /NTDETECT.COM
[18:42] <urlin2u> notice both of the boot files are mixed together.
[18:42] <escott> winut, it will ask for a password for each protocol and account, so thats at least two (send and recieve) for each account +1 for each calendar +1 for the contacts...
[18:43] <winut> did it do this before in version 2?
[18:43] <winut> thanks
[18:43] <winut> that sounds like a bug to me
[18:43] <urlin2u> hifi, good luck the XP removal may require a win 7 disc to fix.
[18:43] <escott> winut, i think thats always been the way it is. but it does make the initial setup a pain
[18:44] <urlin2u> the recvery disc will work make sure you make one hifi
[18:44] <winut> he is using a password keychain to get around the problem
[18:47] <winut> he said that in version 2 he has to enter the password once or something like that
[18:47] <winut> not so with version 3
[18:49] <escott> winut, well thats gnome-keyring. after the initial setup you should be able to say remember password, and it will be unlocked by the keyring
[18:49] <winut> i think he is using http://www.fpx.de/fp/Software/Gorilla/ password gorilla
[18:50] <winut> oh, that makes sense, thanks escott :-)
[18:51] <bjsnider> hifi, you can set up windows installs in virtual machines, which will work well for just about everything except gaming
[18:51] <winut> maybe that behaviour can be added to the package dependancies / setup for the kubuntu version?
[18:52] <winut> what is the kde equivalent of gnome-keyring?
[18:54] <escott> winut, i think kwallet
[18:54] <winut> so maybe that would be the best way to setup evolution with that :-)
[18:54] <winut> thanks
[18:55] <FernandoMiguel> escott: it should... but it isn't :\
[18:56] <hifi> bjsnider: guess why I have windows :p
[18:56] <winut> i heard that you need to patch the evolution code to support that http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-user/208909-running-evolution-kde-wallet-keypass-integration.html
[18:58] <winut> might be easier just to install gnome-keyring tho atm
[18:58] <winut> but thats not very kde esque
[18:59] <tensorpudding> awesome
[18:59] <tensorpudding> my system is fubared
[18:59] <tensorpudding> for the second time
[19:00] <winut> what is your os? tensorpudding
[19:01] <tensorpudding> i just "upgraded" to oneiric
[19:01] <winut> ubuntu?
[19:01] <tensorpudding> i need additional drivers
[19:01] <tensorpudding> where did it go
[19:01] <winut> i mean it could be kubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu etc.
[19:02] <zodiak> anyone else notice breakage with skype and this mornings small updates ?
[19:02] <winut> i heard skype on 64bit 11.10 is a no go
[19:02] <winut> but that was last week
[19:02] <tensorpudding> maybe jockey was one of the things it removed and forgot to put back
[19:02] <tensorpudding> empathy is gone too
[19:02] <tensorpudding> hell, half of my programs are AWOL
[19:02] <winut> well, your user data should be intact
[19:02] <winut> do you use evolution mail?
[19:03] <jbicha> tensorpudding: searching for jockey or Additional Drivers in the dash should pull it right up
[19:03] <tensorpudding> oh, no
[19:03] <tensorpudding> unity doesn't work
[19:03] <winut> i recommend backing that up before launching evolution 3, it changes the database
[19:03] <tensorpudding> i'm in gnome 3's fallback mode
[19:03] <tensorpudding> or something
[19:03] <jbicha> tensorpudding: try installing ubuntu-desktop
[19:03] <tensorpudding> oh, that's a good idea
[19:04] <zodiak> winut looks like it's still borked. it was running jst fine yesterday though. okay. weird :D
[19:04] <escott> zodiak, ia32-libs is being disassembled and skype 32 relies stuff in ia32 that was removed but thats been true for weeks
[19:04] <zodiak> escott, I use skype daily for work stuff, it was definitely running up until this morning ;)
[19:04] <zodiak> and yes, 64 bit 11.10
[19:04] <winut> go back to the old package in var/apt
[19:04] <tensorpudding> i don't like kde at all
[19:05] <tensorpudding> i tried oneiric before during alpha 2, and i liked it save for the bugs
[19:05] <escott> zodiak, perhaps things just weren't being fully purged. you can manually resolve all the missing libraries listed in ldd `which skype`, im not sure if you get a working skype or not
[19:06] <tensorpudding> ubuntu-desktop won't bring back everything though, unfortunately
[19:06] <winut> i am going to have another look at unity / compiz in about 6months, thats it
[19:06] <tensorpudding> ugh
[19:06] <tensorpudding> they still haven't fixed the media buttons bug?
[19:08] <zodiak> escott yeah, the skype binary (even the static version) is in a weird state. ldd reports not a dynamic exe (obviously, different ELF since skype is 32bit) .. meh .. I will run skype under vbox for the moment. no biggie :)
[19:08] <zodiak> danke
[19:08] <N9NU> can someone please have a look at my pastebin file. I cannot seem to get GRUB to use the Graphic mode.    http://pastebin.mandriva.com/24054
[19:08] <metellius> My 11.10 upgrade crashed near what looked like the end, and update/dist-upgrading now just returns: The following packages have been kept back: libreoffice-base-core libreoffice-calc libreoffice-core libreoffice-draw libreoffice-impress libreoffice-kde libreoffice-math libreoffice-writer nfs-common nfs-kernel-server python-uno
[19:08] <N9NU> using 11.10...no hurry
[19:09] <tensorpudding> i still can't get used to the font change in 11.10 either
[19:09] <tensorpudding> the size is just a little too big
[19:09] <tensorpudding> well, be back in a moment
[19:09] <metellius> are package repositories stabled at the moment?
[19:11] <tensorpudding> oh dang
[19:11] <tensorpudding> so there's no unity button anymore?
[19:12] <tensorpudding> what the hell
[19:12] <escott> metellius, no
[19:12] <tensorpudding> jockey can't load my wifi driver
[19:14] <tensorpudding> oh cool, that bug i reported in natty is still in oneiric
[19:16] <jbicha> tensorpudding: reporting bugs doesn't magically fix them :-)
[19:16] <tensorpudding> i know
[19:16] <jbicha> well sometimes it does...lol
[19:16] <tensorpudding> i was just thinking
[19:17] <tensorpudding> maybe they fixed the bug on accident
[19:19] <bil21al__> where should we report the all setting bug
[19:19] <bil21al__> ??
[19:20] <tensorpudding> is nepomuk a rename of deja-dup, or is it something else
[19:21] <Gredeu> has oneiric become less buggy within the past week ?
[19:23] <jbicha> tensorpudding: nepomuk is a KDE database thing
[19:23] <jbicha> Gredeu: that's kind of the point ;-)
[19:23] <Gredeu> i thought so :)
[19:23] <Gredeu> thanks
[19:23] <tensorpudding_> huh
[19:23] <tensorpudding_> where did deja-dup go
[19:24] <jbicha> tensorpudding: it should be in System Settings>Backup
[19:24] <tensorpudding_> oh, it's Backup now
[19:24] <tensorpudding_> oh, nice, a bug
[19:25] <tensorpudding_> dragging an icon on the launcher caused the launcher to freeze
[19:26] <metellius> there is something really weird going on here, aptitude is showing duplicate packages for tons of packages, and trying to get an upgrade done makes the resolver thingy go crazy and spew messages about "internal errors" all over the plcae
[19:27] <metellius> Internal error: the solver Install(libc-bin 2.13-20ubuntu2 <libc6 2.13-20ubuntu2 -> {libc-bin 2.13-20ubuntu2 libc-bin 2.13-20ubuntu2}>) of a supposedly unresolved dependency is already installed in step 139
[19:27] <metellius> etc etc
[19:29] <tensorpudding> has anyone noticed the bug in nautilus regarding completing names?
[19:30] <tensorpudding> the box disappears really quickly, even while you're typing
[19:30] <FernandoMiguel> where?
[19:30] <FernandoMiguel> unity ?
[19:30] <tensorpudding> in nautilus
[19:30] <tensorpudding> you open the file browser
[19:31] <FernandoMiguel> nautilus??
[19:31] <tensorpudding> and you type to complete the name of a file currently in view
[19:31] <tensorpudding> to select it
[19:31] <micahg> metellius: archive skew, should fix itself after gcc-4.6 builds on i386
[19:39] <tensorpudding> what was the reasoning behind not allowing you to configure the font directly anyway
[19:42] <alex_mayorga> How do I get a battery indicator in unity?
[19:43] <tensorpudding> what happened to the power button in the top-right corner? it's gone
[19:43] <alex_mayorga> tensorpudding: mine is still there, did you update recently?
[19:43] <tensorpudding> i just upgraded to oneiric today
[19:51] <jbicha> tensorpudding: there's a bug where the system menu sometimes disappears, try restarting Unity
[19:52] <jbicha> alex_mayorga: the battery menu is built in, if it's not showing for you then that's a bug...
[19:52] <alex_mayorga> jbicha: how can I tell for sure?
[19:52] <alex_mayorga> jbicha: or how do I report the bug?
[19:53] <alex_mayorga> jbicha: is it possible I unknowingly disabled it at some point?
[19:54] <jbicha> alex_mayorga: it's not possible to disable it, I'd reboot and then use 'ubuntu-bug linux' to report it if it still doesn't work
[19:54] <jbicha> I don't know much about kernel bugs though
[19:55] <alex_mayorga> jbicha: I'll file it right away, the thing has been missing since alpha1, I just haven't missed it until today :)
[19:57] <alex_mayorga> jbicha: seems like indicator-power is not installed here :O
[19:59] <alex_mayorga> is there a way to restart unity panel?
[19:59] <jeffrash> I've run into an issue with 11.10 beta 1 that I don't know how to report or check to see if anyone else has reported.
[20:00] <jeffrash> Windows become selectable.  Like there not there but they are
[20:00] <jeffrash> it's happening all the time now
[20:00] <jeffrash> anyone else seeing this?
[20:00] <jbicha> alex_mayorga: oh, that would explain it :-), I think you can just run unity to restart it
[20:01] <alex_mayorga> jbicha: thanks, now I see it
[20:01] <alex_mayorga> but unity command hijacked my console :S
[20:02] <jbicha> alex_mayorga: use Alt+F2 to run unity
[20:04] <jeffrash> Also, I can't edit any network configurations
[20:09] <tensorpudding> the new USC makes it hard to find software from PPAs
[20:13] <jbicha> tensorpudding: there's a drop-down arrow next to All Software or Installed, if that's not enough you can install synaptic
[20:13] <tensorpudding> hmm
[20:13] <tensorpudding> maybe my ppa just isn't working then
[20:15] <jeffrash> tensorpudding, on the power button on the top right corner.  I had it not show up once, I just logged out and back in and it came back.
[20:20] <jeffrash> Has anyone tried to edit or delete a network connection lately?
[20:21] <jeffrash> I have two systems with 11.10b2 and I can't do it on either now
[20:22] <jeffrash> sorry, 11.10b1
[20:22] <jeffrash> :)
[20:22] <tensorpudding> i'm curious if anyone can reproduce that nautilus issue
[20:23] <jeffrash> which one?
[20:23] <tensorpudding> that when you try to type to select a file/folder by name
[20:23] <tensorpudding> the thing disappears quicky
[20:23] <tensorpudding> like, a half second
[20:24] <tensorpudding> i think it's called typeahead, but i honestly don't know
[20:24] <tensorpudding> i don't know if it's a gnome issue or ubuntu
[20:25] <jeffrash> It works for me
[20:25] <tensorpudding> does it?
[20:26] <tensorpudding> it stays open?
[20:26] <jeffrash> yes
[20:27] <jeffrash> I opened nautilus then typed "Videos", pressed enter and it opened and stayed open
[20:28] <jeffrash> is that what you were looking for?
[20:28] <escott> tensorpudding, it might be a focus issue. where is your mouse focus when you try this
[20:29] <tensorpudding> it's on the window
[20:30] <tensorpudding> jeffrash: the thing that you type videos into, is the thing that disappears
[20:43] <thehumanerror> Hello
[20:43] <thehumanerror> yesterday I could run StarCraft II
[20:43] <thehumanerror> then last night I applied some updates
[20:43] <thehumanerror> and now I can't
[20:43] <thehumanerror> the app says it failed to initialise DirectX
[20:43] <thehumanerror> I tried a clean .wine
[20:43] <thehumanerror> and reinstalling the NVIDIA driver
[20:44] <thehumanerror> and upgrading to wine1.3
[20:44] <thehumanerror> so now I am totally out of ideas, anyone know why it broke?
[20:44] <thehumanerror> please
[20:50] <jeffrash> oh, it doesn't disappear for me
[20:55] <jakemp> laptop still not suspending
[20:55] <jakemp> weak.
[20:58] <Tetsuo55> thehumanerror: likely a videocard driver update problem, you could try installing a newer driver, but that could cause even more problems
[20:58] <Tetsuo55> thehumanerror: you could try this https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates and if you want to get even unstabler/newer you could try this: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[20:58] <Tetsuo55> if that does not help revert
[21:00] <Tetsuo55> thats what i would try, but not that affraid of testing unstable solutions
[21:05] <thehumanerror> how do I revert?
[21:09] <nn52> Hello!
[21:09] <nn52> anyone can help me??
[21:09] <nn52> i've litte problem
[21:10] <g30> ?
[21:10] <g30> ?
[21:10] <g30> hi
[21:10] <zodiak> nn52 don't ask to ask, ask
[21:11] <nn52> http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/3599/zrzutekranu1om.png <
[21:11] <g30> Hi all oneiric 11.10 last patch remove all 32 bit apps????? I cannot even start, open??? Wine? patch not found even though its there installed same with skype????? seems to be just 32 bit stuff i had???? any idea thanks
[21:12] <zodiak> g30 yes, the update this morning borked some 32bit apps
[21:12] <g30> the apps are in /usr/bin but when try to start cannot
[21:12] <zodiak> assuming you are on 64 bit
[21:12] <g30> ok
[21:12] <g30> i thought i mess something up
[21:12] <g30> :)
[21:12] <zodiak> nope.
[21:12] <nn52> idk why letter is on letter
[21:13] <zodiak> I have the same thing with skype, I am running it via virtualbox currently :\
[21:13] <g30> so i should leave system as is?
[21:13] <g30> do you run wine?
[21:13] <zodiak> nope.
[21:13] <g30> its weird
[21:13] <g30> the apps are installed /iusr/bin
[21:13] <g30> but cannot start them
[21:13] <g30> even root
[21:13] <g30> says its not there path not found
[21:14] <g30> how do you like it?
[21:14] <g30> I love it
[21:14] <g30> lol
[21:14] <g30> besides this last patch
[21:14] <zodiak> it's a 64 bit ELF system, which currently doesn't understand 32 bit ELF apps
[21:14] <g30> should
[21:14] <g30> with multiarch
[21:14] <g30> that was the point of it ?
[21:14] <zodiak> wip
[21:14] <g30> im new in irc forgive me i dont understand the lingo
[21:14] <zodiak> there is a reason it's called "beta" and not "release" you know ;)
[21:14] <zodiak> work in progress
[21:14] <g30> I agree
[21:15] <g30> I love it
[21:15] <g30> I think its best
[21:15] <g30> what about you?
[21:15] <g30> even the window manager
[21:15] <g30> so much faster and lighter
[21:15] <g30> snappier
[21:15] <zodiak> well, I use xfce so.. it's always snappy and fast ;)
[21:15] <g30> ah
[21:15] <g30> never use unity in 11.10?
[21:15] <g30> or gnome?
[21:15] <zodiak> not really.
[21:15] <g30> they jkust include gnome 3 in latest patch
[21:15] <g30> you should check it out
[21:16] <g30> it is sick
[21:16] <g30> :)
[21:16] <g30> maybe to much for vbox
[21:16] <g30> ?
[21:16] <g30> where u from?
[21:17] <g30> if u dont imnd me asking
[21:17] <g30> ?
[21:17] <g30> sorry for typos
[21:17] <zodiak> where am I right now ? Santa Monica
[21:17] <g30> cool
[21:17] <g30> you just run ubuntu on vbox
[21:17] <g30> ?
[21:17] <zodiak> nope. main system.
[21:17] <zodiak> how's florida ?
[21:17] <g30> nice
[21:18] <g30> its grea
[21:18] <g30> im from boston
[21:18] <g30> so its nice
[21:18] <zodiak> hah
[21:18] <g30> no snow
[21:18] <zodiak> warmer
[21:18] <g30> :)
[21:18] <g30> Yes!
[21:18] <zodiak> anyhoo, back to work for me
[21:18] <g30> ok take care
[21:18] <g30> and thanks again
[21:19] <zodiak> de nada, they will probably fix things in about a week or such
[21:19] <g30> :0
[21:22] <jeffrash> tensorpudding, can you edit or delete network configurations?
[21:22] <tensorpudding> i haven't tried
[21:22] <tensorpudding> why
[21:23] <jeffrash> the buttons are grayed out for me.
[21:23] <jeffrash> If it run it with SUDO I can
[21:23] <jeffrash> odd, new bug
[21:23] <g30> what is grey out?
[21:23] <g30> users ?
[21:24] <jeffrash> the edit and delete buttons
[21:24] <g30> its a bug
[21:24] <tensorpudding> not grayed out here
[21:24] <g30> you need make password for root
[21:24] <g30> sudo passwd
[21:24] <g30> then login root
[21:24] <g30> then make change
[21:24] <g30> its bug
[21:24] <g30> :)
[21:24] <jeffrash> oh, just updated and its fixed
[21:24] <g30> if thats what you were talking about
[21:24] <g30> ok
[21:24] <jeffrash> nevermind then
[21:25] <jeffrash> anyone seen the issue with applications windows freezing.
[21:25] <jeffrash> ?
[21:26] <g30> ?
[21:26] <g30> freezing?>
[21:26] <g30> ?
[21:26] <g30> in unity?
[21:26] <jeffrash> yes
[21:26] <g30> i have not personaly seen it but i think i read it in bugs
[21:27] <g30> i know if you try and use compiz settings you make big trouble
[21:27] <g30> lol
[21:27] <jeffrash> for example, mplayer will be playing along but the window can't be closed or moved
[21:27] <g30> jeff you have any trouble run skype? or other 23 bit stuff like anything in wine?
[21:27] <g30> yes
[21:27] <g30> xkill
[21:27] <g30> is great
[21:28] <g30> mplayer
[21:28] <g30> yea
[21:28] <jeffrash> no, but I run the 32bit version of ubuntu
[21:28] <g30> i had to install all kinds of stuff to play dvd
[21:28] <g30> oh
[21:28] <g30> you lucky
[21:28] <g30> lol
[21:28] <g30> skype run ok?
[21:28] <g30> or do you even use it?
[21:28] <jeffrash> I don't use skype
[21:29] <g30> wine?
[21:29] <g30> anything in wine?
[21:30] <jeffrash> no
[21:31] <g30> one min my screen go crazy
[21:31] <g30> lol
[21:31] <g30> there
[21:32] <g30> you dont play wow or anything?
[21:32] <g30> no winblows stuff?
[21:32] <g30> I love 11.10
[21:32] <g30> :)
[21:33] <g30> its i think the best distro going to be
[21:36] <g30_> test
[21:36] <g30> hi
[21:36] <g30_> lol
[21:36] <g30> exit
[21:36] <g30> oops
[21:45] <jeffrash> g30,  I run windows apps on windows
[21:45] <jeffrash> :)
[21:46] <g30> windows
[21:46] <g30> i quit windows
[21:46] <jeffrash> I have five systems in front of me
[21:46] <jeffrash> three are linux and two are windows
[21:46] <g30> throw all away stick w linux
[21:46] <g30> lol
[21:46] <jeffrash> :)
[21:46] <g30> I think whatever makes anyone happy is good
[21:46] <g30> I prefer linux
[21:47] <g30> myself
[21:47] <jeffrash> Me too
[21:47] <g30> im sstill a noob
[21:47] <IdleOne> !enter
[21:47] <g30> long ago i used suse
[21:47] <g30> for long time
[21:47] <IdleOne> ubottu: ping
[21:47] <g30> now linux has come long ways
[21:47] <jeffrash> I've been using Ubuntu sense 6.06
[21:48] <g30> I just started it last week /w 11.04
[21:48] <g30> i cant believe how far its come along
[21:48] <FernandoMiguel> IdleOne: laggy bot isn't he ?
[21:49] <g30> whats the command to list channel users anyone know?
[21:49] <g30> i know im a noob
[21:49] <g30> been a long time :)
[21:49]  * FernandoMiguel ----------------------------------------------> looks there
[21:50] <g30> xchat? i use iirc
[21:50] <g30> more clean
[21:50] <g30> :)
[21:51] <FernandoMiguel> pidgin
[21:51] <g30> ah
[21:51] <g30> nice
[21:51] <g30> it too has come along way
[21:51] <IdleOne> g30: Please lay off the ENTER key :/
[21:51] <IdleOne> FernandoMiguel: sometimes she is
[21:52] <g30> ok im noob still learning thanks
[21:55] <thoeger_> Hi folks, since my upgrade, it seems like I can only get a Unity2d-interface, no matter what entry I choose in the LightDM and GDM menus. Is this because of Beta or because of local mess?
[21:55] <zodiak> thoeger_, sounds more like a local mess to be honest. You been mucking about with lightdm.conf ? :)
[21:55] <IdleOne> thoeger_: check with jockey-gtk and see if any drivers need to be installed
[21:56] <g30> lightdm rocks
[21:56] <g30> awesome
[21:56] <thoeger_> Nope, no lightdm-messinn', and it's the same in GDM
[21:56] <g30> you should see those 3d imps
[21:56] <thoeger_> IdleOne, I'll try, but it's an upgrade from Natty that has been working just fine...
[21:57] <IdleOne> drivers may not be activated
[21:57] <IdleOne> /in use
[21:59] <g30> thoeger can u see the other options? unity,gnome then 2d? and what happends when u login?
[21:59] <tensorpudding> it would seem flash is broken?
[21:59] <g30> flash works perfect!
[21:59] <tensorpudding> nspluginviewer is not installable due to version conflicts
[22:00] <g30> oops no it doesnt
[22:00] <zodiak> tensorpudding, you are probably better off grabbing the latest tarball from adobe and then put the .so into the appropriate browser directory
[22:00] <tensorpudding> hacks
[22:00] <zodiak> for google, I flung it into /opt/google/chrome/plugins
[22:01] <g30> bye all
[22:01] <zodiak> well, flash11 isn't anywhere near the repos
[22:01] <IdleOne> tensorpudding: use the sevenmachines PPA for flash.
[22:02] <tensorpudding> hmm
[22:02] <tensorpudding> i still have to get my emacs ppa working
[22:02] <IdleOne> works great for me.
[22:06] <thoeger> Okay back up - installed the NVidia drivers and rebooted but realized I've disabled theNVidia graphics vcard on my laptop and only use the intel onboard one
[22:06] <thoeger> ...so jockey made no difference
[22:07] <thoeger> Looking at it, there *is* a difference between the Ubuntu and the Ubuntu2d sessions: drop shadows.
[22:09] <tensorpudding> the sevenmachines doesn't work for me, it didn't show up in sources
[22:10] <tensorpudding> when i apt-get update, it didn't appear at all
[22:13] <thoeger> satrange behavior compared to UNity in Natty: Window borders when maximizing, clock applet in unity panel saying "time" instead of showing time, and showing incorrect time in its menu; only one workspace, no automatic resizing of windows when dragged to the sides, and generally no compiz features (changes made to the Unity compiz plugin have no effect, looks like Compiz is not running?)
[22:22] <IdleOne> tensorpudding: 32 or 64 bit?
[22:22] <tensorpudding> i got flash working now
[22:22] <IdleOne> k
[22:22] <tensorpudding> it eventually kicked in when i did add-apt-repository
[22:22] <tensorpudding> naquadah still fails though
[22:22] <tensorpudding> i don't think it supports oneiric yet
[22:28] <tensorpudding> i'll have to get around to building emacs from source again
[22:28] <tensorpudding> it supports gtk 3 now, which i guess is good
[22:54] <dupondje> Somebody else has extreme artifacts issues?
[23:14] <iceroot> is 11.10 not using pulseaudio anymore?
[23:14] <iceroot> ps aux | grep pulse  is not showing anything but i have sound working
[23:15] <FernandoMiguel> 1000      2133  0.7  0.1 312848  6848 ?        S<l  Sep16   2:26 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
[23:15] <FernandoMiguel> I have it
[23:15] <iceroot> FernandoMiguel: very strange
[23:15] <FernandoMiguel> try startin it?
[23:15] <FernandoMiguel> pulseaudio -vv
[23:15] <iceroot> FernandoMiguel: sudo service pulseaudio start && ps aux | grep pulse is showing nothing but i hear sound
[23:15] <FernandoMiguel> don't sudo
[23:15] <FernandoMiguel> it's not a service
[23:15] <FernandoMiguel> it's an instance
[23:16] <FernandoMiguel> *per* user
[23:16] <iceroot> FernandoMiguel: hm i dont have pulseaudio installed (pulse TAB TAV is shwoing nothing)
[23:16] <FernandoMiguel> LOL
[23:16] <iceroot> i guess i have to look at the updater.log if pulse was uninstalled
[23:16] <FernandoMiguel> install ubuntu-desktop and reboot ?
[23:16] <iceroot> but why i have sound
[23:17] <iceroot> FernandoMiguel: lubuntu-desktop
[23:17] <FernandoMiguel> h
[23:17] <FernandoMiguel> ah
[23:17] <iceroot> i dont use a strange gui like unity
[23:17] <iceroot> ps aux | grep alsa or oss is showing nothing too
[23:18] <iceroot> so why do i have sound
[23:19] <iceroot> dpkg -l \*pulse\* is only showing ii  libpulse0                1:0.99.3-0ubuntu5        PulseAudio client libraries
[23:19] <iceroot> very strange
[23:23] <w30> Anyone know a way to change the Unity launcher strip from the left side to the bottom?
[23:26] <tensorpudding> got worried for a bit there that i had run into the same bug that made my system unbootable
[23:26] <tensorpudding> alt+tab seems buggy too
[23:26] <tensorpudding> oh wait, no, that's the same bug
[23:26] <tensorpudding> the "everything appears under other windows" bug
[23:44] <thoeger> One more thing: Banshee crashes at startup. Beta bug or local mess again?