[08:36] <head_victim> sagaci: down for maintenance
[08:36] <sagaci> yeppers
[08:37] <head_victim> I got new toys!
[08:37] <head_victim> This keyboard is blissful to type on compared to the old one.
[08:40] <sagaci> that mechanical one?
[08:42] <head_victim> It's still rubber dome, but it's done well
[08:47] <sagaci> did you pick up that piece of kit
[08:47] <head_victim> Yep, loud as hell but damn cheap for a 48 port cisco switch. Fortunately I was only planning to use is "as required" rather than 24/7
[08:48] <head_victim> If there's one beef about decent quality networking equipment of any brand is, it's damn loud.
[09:16] <paul_> hi guys.. is this ubuntu for australia?
[09:16] <benonsoftware> paul_: Yeah
[09:17] <paul_> cool.  anyone know how  do dvb netwok streaming?  preferably with lightweight application, so not mythTV.
[09:18] <benonsoftware> No sorry, just wait around and someone can help you
[09:18] <head_victim> paul_: don't know how to do it but vlc might be worth a look
[09:19] <paul_> okay... i posted something in whirlpool and ubuntuforum.  but so far nothing anywhere.  i heard of use dvbstream, but i'm unsure how to use it exactly, i.e. configuration.
[09:19] <paul_> yeah, i had a look at vlc.  i can stream a file, but live dvb-t didn't work.
[09:20] <sagaci> or mplayer/smplayer
[09:20] <paul_> also, i don't know all the "appropriate and tweaking" configuration to make it stream well.
[09:20] <paul_> when is this room most active?
[09:21] <benonsoftware> Around 8-10pm AEST
[09:21] <sagaci> meetings, once a month... you might have some luck posting an email to the mailing list
[09:21] <paul_> okay...
[09:22] <paul_> where do you guys meet, for the meeting you just said, sagaci?
[09:22] <sagaci> here, the #ubuntu-au channel
[09:22] <paul_> okay.  lol.  i thought you meant like a real life meeting.
[09:22] <sagaci> but it's not really for support, rather the normal things that the team does as a whole
[09:23] <sagaci> well there's a Sydney release party in about 3 weeks
[09:23] <sagaci> also one in Brisbane too
[09:23] <paul_> like upcoming 11.10 release party?
[09:24] <sagaci> yeppers, the Sydney one is the Saturday before the actual release
[09:24] <benonsoftware> I haven't read the list latley, is anything thinking about a Melbourne release party?
[09:24] <sagaci> there might have been thoughts but nothing on paper yet, nothing concrete
[09:24] <sagaci> lately*
[09:24] <benonsoftware> Ah ok, thanks :)
[09:25] <sagaci> sorry, thought I made that typo :)
[09:25] <benonsoftware> :)
[09:25] <paul_> by the way, is there an equivalent for KMess?  i don't like pidgin or evolution or aMsn.  i like KMess, but want a Gnome version of it.
[09:26] <sagaci> if the sydney release goes ok and we get a handful, we'll hopefully plan something for december/january too ..
[09:27] <sagaci> paul_: straw search - http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=dvb&searchon=names&suite=natty&section=all
[09:27] <paul_> with the ubuntu-au, if we want to volunteer to provide support, what can a volunteer do?  please don't say desktop.  >.<
[09:27] <benonsoftware> Nice
[09:29] <paul_> thanks sagaci.  i am aware of different dvb packages.  the problem isn't so much as to choosing which one to use, but more so as to knowing how to use it, and use it effectively.
[09:32] <head_victim> paul_: I just use me-tv but that's a standalone not streaming
[09:33] <paul_> i'm currently using vlc to watch dvb-t.
[09:36] <sagaci> paul_: umm, might be an idea to ask in #mplayer or something?
[09:36] <paul_> with respect, are there total linux/ubuntu newbs that are part of ubuntu-au membership?
[09:36] <sagaci> paul_: yep
[09:37] <paul_> yay!  i'm another  lol
[09:37] <head_victim> We're all newbs here ;)
[09:38] <paul_> so no veteran linux hackers?
[09:46] <paul_> is there any recommend irc client besides xchat?
[09:46] <head_victim> irssi is what the cool kids in cli land use. I stick to xchat myself
[09:46] <benonsoftware> What OS?
[09:47] <benonsoftware> Sorry wrong channel :)
[09:47] <paul_> haha benon
[09:47] <paul_> yeah, i fail command line.  lol
[09:47] <paul_> i wanted to explore linux, and chose ubuntu only because it ran "off the shelf"  lol
[09:48] <head_victim> paul_: that's what I did about 5 or 6 years ago and tried a whole bunch of others and always come back to Ubuntu
[09:49] <paul_> i felt the learning curve was easier coming from windows.
[09:49] <paul_> i've even got my brother to use ubuntu, and he's less computer savvy.
[09:50] <benonsoftware> :)
[09:50] <paul_> are you all official or registered member of ubuntu au?
[09:51] <head_victim> I hang around a bit ;)
[09:51] <head_victim> Speaking of hanging around though, I'm off to get some dinner
[09:51] <benonsoftware> Na I'm not a Ubuntu Member yet :)
[09:51] <paul_> lol
[09:52] <benonsoftware> :)]
[09:52] <paul_> i had a look at the website, and wanted to contribute in some way, but it seem like wanted contribution seem to be about "desktop support" in some way.  lol
[09:53] <benonsoftware> paul_: Na you can help from anything like dev to translations
[09:54] <paul_> cool.
[09:54] <paul_> it has been quite some time since i touch C programming.
[09:55] <paul_> and pointer scares me!  haha
[09:55] <benonsoftware> :)
[09:55] <benonsoftware> :) I'm into Python dev
[09:56] <paul_> eww... i prefer C-like language.  :D
[09:56] <benonsoftware> Na too hard :)
[09:56] <paul_> if only ubuntu keeps up to date with Mono.
[09:57] <benonsoftware> :)
[09:57] <paul_> C# is beautiful.  it is a pity that microsoft charge ridiculous price for it. :(
[09:58] <benonsoftware> :) Sure is
[09:58] <paul_> blue tic tac looks like illicit drug that is refreshing.  ahaha
[09:58] <paul_> i just saw an ad.
[10:00]  * benonsoftware had a blue tic tac during camp
[10:29] <benonsoftware> See ya all
[11:24] <head_victim> paul_: the team in general is always glad to have any sort of contribution. Our main focus is to promote Ubuntu to the general population but also as a means of socialising with people who share a common interest, Ubuntu.
[11:24] <head_victim> What city do you hail from?
[12:07] <head_victim> jaddi27: am I looking in the wrong spot or is the Oneiric edubuntu stuff they asked us to translate already done for us a long time ago
[12:07] <head_victim> ?
[12:07] <head_victim> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/kubuntu-docs
[12:08] <jaddi27> head_victim, Which edubuntu stuff is that?
[12:08] <jaddi27> I don't remember translating any edubuntu strings, but I also don't remember seeing anything about it recently either
[12:09] <head_victim> Ah do you hang on the translators ML?
[12:10] <jaddi27> No, I don't think I am on that one
[12:11] <jaddi27> If you can point me in its direction, I might sign up to it
[12:11] <head_victim> Getting there, I'd archived it :/
[12:12] <head_victim> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
[12:14] <jaddi27> I will sign up once the page loads
[12:14] <jaddi27> I am currently using a temporary wireless setup, due to my router stopping working last night
[12:14] <jaddi27> so internet speeds are very slow
[12:15] <head_victim> Ah I have a spare router in the cupboard from my last upgrade
[12:17] <jaddi27> Hopefully we can get a new one tomorrow - looking at the Cisco E4200
[12:17] <head_victim> I picked up a 48 port cisco switch today
[12:18] <head_victim> My usual network gear of choice is blue boxed netgear
[12:18] <head_victim> I find it the best price/quality point for home networks.
[12:18] <jaddi27> Do you find netgear or cisco better generally?
[12:19] <jaddi27> Because my other option was the netgear wndr4000
[12:19] <head_victim> Ah I haven't ever bought a router with wifi on it
[12:19] <jaddi27> I have just been looking at the latest high-speed routers
[12:19] <head_victim> I have an FVS336G
[12:19] <head_victim> Dual wan and quad gigabit lan
[12:19] <jaddi27> ah, ok
[12:19] <head_victim> Throughput is enough for NBN but high speend NBN might push it
[12:19] <head_victim> I have a wireless access point separate.
[12:20] <jaddi27> Wireless is fairly crucial for my house - all except one computer are wireless
[12:21] <jaddi27> and i think for us an all in one wireless router is easier than two separate devices
[12:22] <head_victim> Yeah, for some reason the wireless routers seem to have higher throughputs as well which i can't work out.
[12:23] <head_victim> Obviously just putthing higher specced stuff in for the wireless.
[12:24] <jaddi27> I would have thought that plain routers would have faster throughput
[12:24] <jaddi27> Yes, I guess they must be
[12:24] <head_victim> The only problem with business grade networking, is they're usually loud.
[12:26] <jaddi27> That is true. I would want equipment as quiet as possible where it will be going
[12:27] <head_victim> Just take that into consideration when you're buying "enterprise" stuff. My switch is pretty loud, my cisco switch I got today is even louder.
[12:27] <head_victim> Doesn't bother me as it's in the study and we always have multi other computers running anyway but it might bother some.
[12:28] <jaddi27> We do have other computers running in the room it is going, but I try to make it as quiet as I can
[12:28] <head_victim> Yeah I'm trying to swindle our 24/7 computers down to 1
[12:29] <jaddi27> I think the E4200 is a cross between enterprise and home equipment, so it hopefully will be fairly quiet
[12:29] <head_victim> Only reason I go enterprise is the lifetime warranty and the phone support is heaps better
[12:30] <head_victim> I had an RMA on my 24 port gigabit switch within 5 minutes of dialling technical support. Despite it being a configuration issue on my end (it's a "Smart" switch, not quite a real managed one but more than your dumb ones)
[12:30] <jaddi27> I didn't realise they had such good warranty on the enterprise equipment
[12:31] <head_victim> That's $500 bucks they were going they gave me a return number to go back to the local store and exchange over the counter
[12:31] <head_victim> So idiot (me) assigned the same IP to multiple computers so that was the cause of the issue.
[12:32] <jaddi27> Sounds like a simple error to make if it is new equipment
[12:32] <jaddi27> It is good they were so helpful - not all companies would be like that
[12:32] <head_victim> Yeah well for that simple error they were willing to swap for a new one (despite it being over a year old at the time)
[12:32] <head_victim> That 5 minutes included the hold time.
[12:33] <jaddi27> That is certainly very good service
[12:33] <jaddi27> was that netgear or cisco?
[12:33] <head_victim> The first ever dealing with them I had I called the number in the phone book and it went to an asian call centre. I gave them the model number and they apologised but they had to transfer me to their business section in Australia.
[12:33] <head_victim> Netgear
[12:34] <head_victim> It's a crapload cheaper than the real cisco stuff
[12:34] <head_victim> So I'd say aimed at soho
[12:34] <jaddi27> Yes, it certainly is
[12:34] <head_victim> Last I was looking the enterprise netgear is all called "pro safe"
[12:34] <jaddi27> The Cisco E4200 is $250, while the netgear is $175 (personal, not enterprise)
[12:35] <jaddi27> I will look into the enterprise equipment now
[12:35] <head_victim> Depends on what you're looking for. If you're going to replace it in a year or two anyway, just do the cheaper stuff
[12:35] <head_victim> I was actually looking at making my network completely gigabit capable so I wanted multi port gigabit lan on the router as my main requirement.
[12:36] <head_victim> It's not necessarily THAT much quicker but it's not bad either.
[12:36] <head_victim> Just look at what the expected peak of the NBN speeds are going to be in the next 5 years (no idea where to look though) and make sure your wan to lan and reverse throughput is high enough.
[12:36] <jaddi27> We have had our current router for nearly 6 years, so we don't normally upgrade regularly
[12:37] <jaddi27> but I don't think we will be spending too much on it either - the $250 is probably the upper bound
[12:43] <head_victim> I always suggest doing the budget first, then looking. I used kevin rudd's 900 dollar bonus to buy my current router and switch
[12:53] <paul_> hey
[12:54] <head_victim> Gday paul_ 
[12:54] <paul_> just answering your earlier question head victim, i'm in bris.  where are you?
[12:55] <jaddi27> paul_, Good to find more people in Brisbane
[12:55] <paul_> i take it, you're in bris too jaddi?
[12:55] <jaddi27> Yes, I am
[12:55] <jaddi27> head_victim is also based up here
[12:55] <paul_> where abouts?  i'm on northside.
[12:55] <jaddi27> I am on the southside
[12:55] <head_victim> I live in Annerley, so just on the southside
[12:55] <paul_> zzzzzzzzzz
[12:56] <paul_> lol
[12:56] <paul_> everyone is on southside 
[12:56] <head_victim> 5km from the CBD, 5km from work
[12:56] <paul_> lucky you.
[12:56] <paul_> by the way, jaddi and head, are you linux/ubuntu experts?
[12:57] <head_victim> jaddi27 is, I'm just someone who plays with them
[12:57] <paul_> ah...  cool.  so any of you give recommendation for a dvb-t network stream setup?
[12:57] <paul_> and i don't want to use mythTV, too heavy and thick.
[12:59] <head_victim> paul_: I'd start with http://www.videolan.org/doc/streaming-howto/en/ch09.html and go from there
[13:00] <paul_> yeah i have had a look at vlc... and it was funny.  i can stream file video, but dvb didn't work.
[13:00] <head_victim> http://www.videolan.org/doc/streaming-howto/en/index.html is the full document
[13:00] <head_victim> Well those 2 links have all the details on the settings
[13:01] <paul_> i'm currently use vlc to watch dvb.  i just want to stream it on network.
[13:02] <paul_> have any of use try out ubuntu 11.10 pre-release?
[13:02] <head_victim> Yeah I run it in a virtual box
[13:03] <paul_> how it is so far?
[13:03] <jaddi27> paul_, I don't think I am an expert, but enjoy using linux/ubuntu
[13:03] <head_victim> It's starting to come together. I will probably even try Unity on my main desktop by 12/04
[13:03] <head_victim> 12.04
[13:04] <head_victim> But I'm what you call a "slow adopter"
[13:04] <jaddi27> 11.10 is looking good, but my tests in virtual box do not work with the proper unity 3d, so it is hard to fully see what it is like
[13:04] <head_victim> jaddi27: really? I got 3d working fine
[13:04] <paul_> i haven't had a look at it yet.
[13:04] <head_victim> The only issue I had with 3d was remembering to click the "3d acceleration" box in the VB setup
[13:05] <paul_> but 11.04 unity didn't suit me, i am using gnome metacity.
[13:05] <jaddi27> I am using virtual box on Mac OSX, but I wouldn't think that should stop it working
[13:05] <jaddi27> It goes automatically into Unity 2d, even when the 3d acceleration is enabled
[13:05] <head_victim> You have the additional drivers installed?
[13:06] <sagaci> i'm running 11.10 on my laptop, it's got a couple of program crashes here and there but they usually get fixed within a couple of days - they aren't breaking the desktop
[13:07] <head_victim> sagaci: I've poked the xchat coordinators this time
[13:07] <head_victim> re the translation
[13:07] <head_victim> Fingers crossed I have some response this time
[13:07] <sagaci> yeah, hopefully... I still need to get into the chromium-browser package :/
[13:07] <head_victim> Nah there's a feature freeze on now isn't there as well, so the focus is fixing.
[13:08] <sagaci> well my wireless broke after feature freeze for a couple of days 8)
[13:08] <paul_> lol wireless broke, must the carbon in the atmosphere :P
[13:09] <jaddi27> head_victim, Yes, I have the additional drivers installed. I have tried the Ubuntu restricted drivers, as well as the proper virtual box ones
[13:09] <paul_> by the way, how do quickly do reference to user?
[13:09] <head_victim> jaddi27: odd
[13:10] <jaddi27> paul_, If you are using xchat, start typing their name, and press tab
[13:10] <paul_> ah cool
[13:10] <sagaci> pretty nifty eh
[13:10] <paul_> is xchat the recommended or defacto irc client using GUI?
[13:10] <jaddi27> head_victim, I might try reinstalling tomorrow. Do you think running it in virtual box on ubuntu would be better?
[13:11] <jaddi27> I like xchat, but there are quite a few to choose from
[13:11] <head_victim> jaddi27: not sure tbh, i know 3d works though
[13:11] <jaddi27> Using the virtual box driver 'cd', or the restricted drivers?
[13:11] <paul_> i'm a windows fail, and bound to be linux fail too.  so i'm after programs with easy to use GUI  :D
[13:14] <paul_> is 11.10 software centre as easy to use as synaptic?  i heard they are getting rid of synaptic.
[13:15] <jaddi27> the software centre is supposed to be easier, as it is more like the 'app store' on iOS for example
[13:16] <jaddi27> I still prefer synaptic though, as I know the package names a bit better, and prefer its layout
[13:16] <paul_> lol... i don't use apple stuff.  they are evil conspiracy :P
[13:16] <sagaci> I'm looking to buy an apple keyboard soon
[13:16] <jaddi27> but Synaptic will still be available in the repositories, so can quickly be installed
[13:16] <paul_> yeah, initially i use software centre.  but felt more comfortable with synaptic.
[13:16] <sagaci> yep, it's on my install list
[13:16] <jaddi27> sagaci, I have a wireless apple keyboard - it works very nicely
[13:17] <head_victim> I have moved back to wired desktop items
[13:17] <head_victim> I've had cheap wireless and I've had expensive wireless desktops. They all fail
[13:17] <paul_> wireless gets annoying when battery dies on you during gaming.  lol
[13:18] <jaddi27> head_victim, Going back to your kubuntu-docs translation page from earlier - It looks like there are still some strings to be translated in a couple of the docs packages
[13:18] <head_victim> I had to power reset my mouse and keyboard daily.
[13:18] <head_victim> jaddi27: ah I couldn't find anything to do :/
[13:18] <jaddi27> head_victim, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/kubuntu-docs/+pots/kubuntu-docs-audio shows 8 strings
[13:19] <head_victim> Hmm yeah, unless they're still changing strings on us
[13:19] <jaddi27> I think it is probably close to finished for us, and yes, the string count has been changing recently
[13:19] <head_victim> Yep, they've had a string update since I looked
[13:19] <jaddi27> I have been keeping a spreadsheet with enAU translation stats
[13:19] <paul_> i maybe wrong on this, but does KDE use Qt?
[13:19] <head_victim> Ah you guys are far too organised for this :P
[13:20] <jaddi27> Yes, KDE does use Qt
[13:20] <sagaci> jaddi27, have you got the magic mouse and/or trackpad working with ubuntu?
[13:20] <jaddi27> Unity 2D is written in Qt partially
[13:20] <paul_> and Gnome doesn't eh?
[13:21] <jaddi27> sagaci, I only have ubuntu in a virtual computer on my mac at the moment, so cannot properly say. I do have a trackpad though, so I might eventually try it out (maybe on my laptop)
[13:22] <jaddi27> paul_, Gnome doesn't use Qt normally, but Qt can still be installed so Qt apps can run under Gnome
[13:22] <paul_> cool, i am cautious with Qt because some of it is not complete free.  and i want to stick to complete free software :D
[13:23] <sagaci> paul_, trisquel?
[13:24] <paul_> what is trisquel?
[13:24] <jaddi27> I will be off now I think. Nice to meet you paul_ - I hope we see you around here regularly.
[13:24] <paul_> nice to meet you jaddi :D
[13:24] <paul_> i'll try to hang around. :D
[13:26] <sagaci> paul_, depends on your idea of free software. For some, ubuntu isn't completely free. Trisquel is FSF-approved free. Depends on how mad you are
[13:27] <paul_> oh... how do i know whic software is not free on ubuntu?
[13:27] <paul_> all the software i get is from synaptic, unless it is a game, and that i pay for anyway.
[13:28] <sagaci> paul_, sudo apt-get install vrms
[13:28] <sagaci> though it's kinda tongue-in-cheek
[13:28] <paul_> what is vrms?
[13:28] <sagaci> virtual Richard Stallman
[13:29] <paul_> yep, i just read about it.
[13:29] <paul_> is vrms command line or GUI or both?
[13:29] <sagaci> outputs the packages that aren't considered free software, i've got unrar, libfaac0, and ms-tt-fonts
[13:29] <sagaci> gui but it's easy, it just outputs text on your screen
[13:29] <sagaci> cli*
[13:30] <paul_> i use ms font for gaming.  in that case, does that mean i'm infringing copyright?
[13:31] <sagaci> no, they're free for personal use
[13:31] <paul_> ah...  okay, that's fine then.
[13:31] <sagaci> can't remember the proper license, i'll check it out
[13:32] <paul_> i just installed vrms, how do i access it from desktop?  i can't find it in the desktop menu.
[13:34] <sagaci> open up a terminal and type vrms
[13:35] <paul_> understood.
[13:35] <paul_> generally speaking what does non-free and contrib package means?
[13:36] <sagaci> paul_, fyi, on ms fonts - http://paste.ubuntu.com/690793/
[13:37] <sagaci> iirc, they're repo sections in debian
[13:37] <paul_> thanks sagaci
[13:37] <sagaci> paul_, I should know this but wikipedia explains it - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Additional_repositories
[13:39] <paul_> awesome, i love this chatroom. :D
[13:40] <sagaci> I'm not advocating against ubuntu but if you're really into the free part of software, debian squeeze, their latest stable is supposed to be totally free, without extra little proprietary bits... depends if that really matters to you I guess
[13:40] <head_victim> Or try gnewsense
[13:40] <sagaci> is that still being developed?
[13:41] <head_victim> No idea to be honest
[13:41] <paul_> well, i do play games, and i guess i rely on non-free graphics driver.
[13:41] <paul_> but i do like to keep it to a minimal.
[13:42] <paul_> by the way, where are you base sagaci?
[13:42] <sagaci> all my base are belong to nsw
[13:42] <paul_> go Barry (O'Farell)  lol
[13:43] <sagaci> meh, can't stand either side on the state level here :P
[13:43] <paul_> lol wasn't kristine good enough?  :P
[13:43] <paul_> she's on QA next week, will be a lol.
[13:43] <sagaci> paul_, I dual boot, using that non-free OS called windows
[13:44] <paul_> i dual boot too, but only use window when i really have to.
[13:44] <jargonfactory> sagaci: someone @ #debian-au might know about gnewsense i think (can't remember his name).
[13:44] <sagaci> I get a kick each time I update windows, it has a tagline line something like - Learn about and download more free software from Microsoft.
[13:44] <paul_> lol
[13:45] <sagaci> yeah I've been in the channel a bit but it's not bookmarked for me
[13:45] <paul_> there are "express edition" that entice, and then get slam by a huge price tag for just the "standard edition"  hahah
[13:46] <sagaci> paul_, Windows?
[13:47] <paul_> well, windows, .NET, SQL Server etc...
[13:47] <paul_> well there isn't express Windows.
[13:47] <sagaci> yeah depends what you need/use it for
[13:47] <sagaci> thought you meant upgrade/student edition vs full retail or something
[13:48] <paul_> yeah, i know the student edition of stuff.  :D
[13:49] <paul_> what a recommended virtual machine?
[13:50] <head_victim> I use virtualbox but that's just because it's the first one I tried and it worked easily
[13:50] <head_victim> brb, need to check something with a log out and in
[13:51] <paul_> i don't like virtualbox 'cause it from oracle, and i got the shits with oracle.  :P
[13:52] <sagaci> I only use virtual machines early in the release cycle when isos are too whacked to run on a production machine
[13:53] <paul_> lol --  i'm watching SBS - How Much Do You Love Me?  it's funny
[13:59] <paul_> lol spammer?
[13:59] <jargonfactory> didn't wave today \o. to all.
[13:59] <head_victim> Gday jargonfactory 
[14:00] <jargonfactory> hi head_victim how's it going.
[14:01] <head_victim> Not too bad, trying to get some domestic duties done while playing with my new toys
[14:02] <jargonfactory> ahh nice. mind me asking what's your new toy? :)
[14:03] <paul_> does it involve insertion into a hole?  o.O  
[14:05] <head_victim> New keyboard and network switch
[14:06] <head_victim> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45015261@N04/
[14:07] <paul_> any of you play HoN/
[14:07] <sagaci> yep
[14:07] <head_victim> I play bugger all games but when I do it's usually Urban Terror
[14:07] <paul_> i get graphics lag after a while.   maybe 'cause i'm running dual screen.
[14:08] <sagaci> via windows, not ubuntu - graphics have never worked for me so I always avoid
[14:08] <paul_> so do you reboot into windows to play?
[14:11] <sagaci> yeah
[14:11] <sagaci> trust me, for me it's much easier than configuring/tweaking graphics and wine
[14:11] <sagaci> imo
[14:12] <paul_> for me, once the graphics starts lagging, i just have to relog my session.
[14:12] <paul_> i think HoN doesn't properly utilise openGL
[14:12] <sagaci> maybe, I don't know
[14:13] <paul_> i don't know either... just using fixes i know.  :D
[14:13] <head_victim> Anyway, I'm off for a while, see you all later
[14:13] <sagaci> cya
[14:13] <paul_> is Unity a rewrite from ground up, or is Unity an further development from Gnome?
[14:14] <jargonfactory> head_victim: ahh not bad. have fun mate.
[14:14] <jargonfactory> later
[14:14] <paul_> see you HV.
[14:16] <sagaci> paul_, further development, it uses part of gnome 3 but doesn't use gnome shell
[14:16] <sagaci> may be wrong but that's a very top-down view of it
[14:16] <paul_> okay...
[14:20] <sagaci> unless you really really had to, would you really want to write a whole desktop environment from scratch in this day and age
[14:21] <paul_> depends... :P  maybe not.
[14:33] <paul_> wow it's 00:30 already!
[14:45] <ikt> =o
[14:46] <ikt> bbs
[23:02] <xannen_> so... all still asleep?