| YokoZar | If I remove a binary package with a new source upload, does that require some archive admin tomfoolery? | 00:09 |
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| YokoZar | (wine1.3 waiting in queue removes ttf-symbol-replacement-wine1.3) | 00:10 |
| broder | yes. "NBS" is the magic term you're looking for | 00:11 |
| YokoZar | slangasek: What do you think of architecture-dependent header files in /usr/include? | 00:31 |
| * YokoZar has now twice encountered -dev packages that have different, incompatible header files on 32/64 bit | 00:32 | |
| slangasek | YokoZar: well, they're certainly incompatible with multiarch. http://lists.debian.org/debian-policy/2011/03/msg00151.html | 00:41 |
| YokoZar | slangasek: welp, it turns out gstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev is one such package | 00:43 |
| ScottK | sladen: I don't. | 03:03 |
| * ScottK would prefer it were just fixed and would stay fixed. | 03:03 | |
| sladen | ScottK: wuhhh? | 03:05 |
| ScottK | sladen: That's a periodic problem that's intermittent. They fix something, it doesn't time out, they change something else, it happens again. That's why so many OOP's because it morphs over time. | 03:06 |
| sladen | ScottK: ah, gotcha, the dup-notdup-dup-notdup-OOPen | 03:09 |
| didrocks | good morning | 05:36 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 07:00 |
| * bryceh waves to dholbach | 07:01 | |
| dholbach | hey bryceh | 07:01 |
| * nigelb waves to bryceh | 07:01 | |
| zma | hi, I would like to use apt-get build-dep so that it only loads appropriate header files from debÂ-src repositories. How to do it? I can't use build-dep normally because of faulty dependencies in those packages I work with. | 07:09 |
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| jamespage | bdrung: 4/29 r-b-d's of asm3 FTBFS with 3.3 - looking now | 08:14 |
| jamespage | bdrung: tracking under bug 851659 | 08:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 851659 in asm3 (Ubuntu) "[FFE] Sync asm3 3.3.1-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851659 | 08:18 |
| raphink | has nobody blogged in 3 days or is planet ubuntu broken? | 08:59 |
| jussi | raphink: I think its broken - saw someone say that they had reported it and "it would take a couple of days to fix" | 09:15 |
| jussi | [10:05:12] <pleia2> ejat: btw, filed a ticket re: planet, it's still broken :\ | 09:16 |
| jussi | [10:05:51] <pleia2> they said they'd look at it "within the next few days" | 09:16 |
| Laney | :( | 09:16 |
| bdrung | jamespage: thanks for tracking them. | 09:18 |
| YokoZar | ScottK: Thanks for the early ack, I was gonna get around to making that bug the FFE tonight :) | 09:24 |
| jamespage | bdrung: not looking to bad - then I saw eucalyptus-java-common | 09:36 |
| jamespage | I don't currently have two spare bits of kit to test euca on with a new version of asm3 | 09:37 |
| apw | pitti, the current source for work-items stuff references the milestones.project field which is not in our oneiric.db, any idea of the history ? | 09:49 |
| apw | pitti, seems to have come in via "merge James Westby's and Chris Johnston's redesign" which has completely changed the interface milestone_list losing its ordering, plus this reliance on a field we do not have | 09:55 |
| apw | james_w, ^^ | 09:56 |
| jdstrand | cjwatson: gparted 0.8.0-1 added a Depends and 0.8.0-2 reduced that to Recommends on gpart (universe) for 'Add attempt data rescue for lost partitions'. Should this be moved to Suggests or should gpart get a MIR? | 10:42 |
| cjwatson | I don't know | 10:42 |
| cjwatson | at this stage I guess reduce to suggests | 10:42 |
| jdstrand | ok, I'll do it real quick | 10:43 |
| jdstrand | cjwatson: well, unless you are poking at gparted atm | 10:43 |
| cjwatson | I'm not | 10:43 |
| cjwatson | I haven't looked at the code to see how badly it fails without it; presumably not very since it's not Depends | 10:43 |
| jdstrand | the comment in -2 is 'gpart is not available on all achitectures' | 10:44 |
| jdstrand | which at least hints that fails gracefully | 10:44 |
| jdstrand | cjwatson: Device/Attempt Data Rescue... | 10:54 |
| jdstrand | cjwatson: 'Command gpart was not found | 10:55 |
| jdstrand | cjwatson: This feature uses gpart. Please install gpart and try again.' | 10:55 |
| jdstrand | yep, graceful | 10:55 |
| cjwatson | jdstrand: ok, good | 11:17 |
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| hallyn | smoser: slangasek: SpamapS: that bug with networking being considered up before dhcp is done, did that get resolved? | 12:22 |
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| james_w | apw, yep, it's part of the new schema | 12:27 |
| apw | james_w, well it seems our DBs are not of the new schema? is there a migration path | 12:28 |
| apw | james_w, also though it changes the semanatic of that routine which was intended to return them in due_date order, which returning a {} does not do any more | 12:28 |
| james_w | apw, where are you getting oneiric.db from? | 12:29 |
| apw | from ~platform | 12:29 |
| james_w | running collect will update the schema as always | 12:29 |
| james_w | right, the up to date databases live on status.ubuntu.com now | 12:30 |
| slangasek | hallyn: yes | 12:54 |
| elleuca | pitti, query? | 12:56 |
| hallyn | slangasek: which package was the bug filed against? I believe bug 850309 in natty is due to that | 13:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 850309 in libvirt (Ubuntu) "libvirt fails to autostart VM attached to a bridged port" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850309 | 13:05 |
| slangasek | hallyn: ifupdown | 13:05 |
| hallyn | thanks | 13:05 |
| apw | slangasek, the fix for the headers ftbs is out on our list for review | 13:05 |
| slangasek | apw: cheers :) | 13:07 |
| roadmr | hello! | 13:24 |
| hallyn | slangasek: something seems to have gone weird with that 0.7~alpha5.1ubuntu4 ifupdown merge. The 0.7~alpha5.1ubuntu5 one (which wasn't done through a merge request) failed to import, and when I manually try import-dsc, it gives me | 13:24 |
| hallyn | bzr: ERROR: Unable to find the tag for the previous upstream version, 0.7~alpha5.1ubuntu4, in the branch: upstream-0.7~alpha5.1ubuntu4. Consider importing it via import-dsc or import-upstream. | 13:24 |
| hallyn | smoser: ^ do you have a debdiff for bug 850226 by chance? | 13:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 850226 in ifupdown (Ubuntu) "static-network-up event waits for 'auto' devs without a config stanza" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850226 | 13:25 |
| Daviey | hallyn: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/79907784/ifupdown_0.7~alpha5.1ubuntu4_0.7~alpha5.1ubuntu5.diff.gz ? | 13:26 |
| hallyn | Daviey: yeah i can reconstruct from that | 13:27 |
| hallyn | but not sure how to fix the udd tree :) | 13:27 |
| hallyn | Daviey: interestingly, when I did pull-lp-source, it didnt download that diff | 13:28 |
| hallyn | Daviey: so where the heck did you find that? | 13:30 |
| Daviey | hallyn: on the LP page. | 13:30 |
| Daviey | hallyn: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ifupdown/0.7~alpha5.1ubuntu5 'Avaliable diffs' | 13:31 |
| hallyn | Daviey: thanks! | 13:31 |
| Daviey | ofc, LP can spell. i cannot. | 13:32 |
| slangasek | hallyn: import-dsc may not work on account of this being a native package; there is no "upstream version" | 13:34 |
| hallyn | slangasek: drat :) thanks | 13:40 |
| mterry | dpm, heyo. I can't seem to log into wp-admin on developer.ubuntu.com now? | 13:48 |
| dpm | mterry, hey! hm, perhaps something to do with the fix IS did recently regarding the certificate? | 13:49 |
| dpm | mterry, have you tried http://developer.ubuntu.com? (without https) | 13:50 |
| mterry | dpm, that tricked it, though the SSO page gave me a warning that the site wasn't recognized by Ubuntu SSO | 13:51 |
| dpm | mterry, oh, weird, let me add a comment to the RT regarding that | 13:52 |
| jamespage | bdrung: I think I've done as much testing as I can with libasm3-java 3.3.2; | 13:52 |
| dpm | but glad you could log in | 13:52 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: looking at xdeb, I found your change to disregard multiarch-foreign packages. However nothing seems to actually take care of installing foreign-arch packages when that's required. Do you know if anyone has a branch that does that? In the meantime xdeb is sort of broken | 14:01 |
| cjwatson | because if you try to build say any X library package, it ignores the x11proto-*-dev packages because they're multi-arch: foreign, but doesn't install the host-arch versions either | 14:01 |
| bdrung | jamespage: thanks | 14:01 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: hrrmm, I don't think I ran into that issue | 14:05 |
| slangasek | x11proto-*-dev are arch: all as well | 14:05 |
| Laney | doko: do you know of a graph showing stats for ftbfs/fixes resulting from your rebuild? | 14:07 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: huh | 14:07 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: in that case perhaps I have a different problem; trying to cross-build libx*, it was refusing to notice header files in /usr/include/X11/ | 14:08 |
| doko | Laney, no. rsalveti has one, but only counts the one seen on the production buildds | 14:08 |
| Laney | yeah I know of a similar one too | 14:08 |
| Laney | never mind | 14:08 |
| cr3 | skaet: ping, beta freeze question for you: I just noticed that the most recent checkbox package is missing the execute bit on some scripts, is that small enough a change to be acceptable or could it wait until after the freeze? | 14:14 |
| skaet | cr3, thanks for flagging. Let me check on a few things and get back to you. | 14:21 |
| sconklin | @pilot in | 14:32 |
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| cjwatson | mvo_: can you give me an update on bug 742935 / bug 781874? | 14:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 742935 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu Natty) "aptd crashed with OSError in release(): [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742935 | 14:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 781874 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu Natty) "<type 'exceptions.TypeError'>: __init__() takes exactly 2 arguments (1 given)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/781874 | 14:47 |
| cjwatson | in fact there are a few aptdaemon bugs on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-09-16#Foundations | 14:48 |
| smoser | stgraber, around ? | 14:52 |
| stgraber | smoser: yep | 14:53 |
| smoser | we're seeing build break of the ubuntu arm cloud images as a result of your change to friendly-recovery | 14:53 |
| stgraber | smoser: fixed yesterday | 14:53 |
| smoser | oh? | 14:53 |
| stgraber | smoser: if that's the update-grub call failing | 14:53 |
| smoser | utlemming, stgraber says fixed yesterday | 14:54 |
| smoser | was our build failure with 0.2.15 ? | 14:54 |
| jamespage | bdrung: please could you review bug 851900 and ack if you are OK with what I have covered | 14:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 851900 in eucalyptus (Ubuntu) "Eucalyptus slow to startup with broken connections to :8443/register" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851900 | 14:54 |
| jamespage | no - not that one | 14:54 |
| utlemming | smoser: correct | 14:54 |
| stgraber | utlemming: you had it failing with 0.2.15? weird, 0.2.14 was supposed to be the buggy one | 14:54 |
| stgraber | utlemming: do you have a build log? | 14:55 |
| jamespage | bdrung: sorry - bug 851659 | 14:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 851659 in asm3 (Ubuntu) "[FFE] Sync asm3 3.3.2-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851659 | 14:55 |
| utlemming | stgraber: yup http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/oneiric/20110916/log.stdout.stderr | 14:55 |
| stgraber | utlemming: that's 0.2.14 | 14:55 |
| smoser | looking at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/80046327/friendly-recovery_0.2.14_0.2.15.diff.gz | 14:55 |
| utlemming | stgraber: its at the very bottom, but only for ARMEL images | 14:55 |
| stgraber | utlemming: Get:64 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ oneiric/main friendly-recovery all 0.2.14 [7242 B] | 14:55 |
| smoser | i'm wondering why we'd hit that codee | 14:55 |
| stgraber | fixed in 0.2.15 | 14:55 |
| smoser | yeah, utlemming that log shows 0.2.14 | 14:56 |
| utlemming | stgraber, smoser: you're right | 14:56 |
| stgraber | smoser: that's the post-inst of friendly-recovery that calls update-grub if it's installed. In your case grub-common is installed but grub isn't. The fix now checks for both /boot/grub/grub.cfg and update-grub, that's how memtest86 does it so that should work for friendly-recovery too | 14:56 |
| smoser | stgraber, fwiw, your [ -x $(which update-grub) ] is redundant | 14:57 |
| * utlemming kicks another build of the armel images | 14:57 | |
| smoser | which is not going to show you something htat is not executable | 14:57 |
| ahasenack | hi guys, can someone please take a look, and hopefully approve, the smart package sitting in the lucid upload queue? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue?queue_state=1 | 14:57 |
| smoser | and, also, you can do 'which' with 'command -v 2>/dev/null' to be posix sh internal | 14:58 |
| smoser | anyway. | 14:58 |
| smoser | thanks for fixing stgraber | 14:58 |
| ahasenack | hmm, I don't see it in the maverick or natty upload queues | 14:58 |
| ahasenack | zul: hi, did you upload smart (#244453) to maverick and natty too? | 15:00 |
| zul | ahasenack: no i got delayed with other things ill do it right now | 15:00 |
| ahasenack | zul: ah, ok, thanks | 15:00 |
| mvo_ | cjwatson: I check the release one next, #819328 should be fixed now and 812023 no lnger cause a error (but there reamins some more work to make it really nice and clean) | 15:11 |
| cjwatson | mvo_: thanks! | 15:14 |
| bdmurray | didrocks: did you test that bug pattern? it didn't work for me | 15:16 |
| didrocks | bdmurray: it's my first addition to the bug pattern, so I maybe screwed something, I looked at the wiki page though | 15:18 |
| bdmurray | didrocks: there is a script in the bugpatterns branch for testing the pattern called test-local and that'll run the bug pattern against a specific bug | 15:19 |
| bdmurray | didrocks: e.g. ./test-local 851169 | 15:19 |
| bdmurray | didrocks: I've pushed a fix. Which wiki page was that by the way? | 15:19 |
| didrocks | bdmurray: oh? I didn't know about the fix, the wiki page is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport/DeveloperHowTo#Bug_patterns | 15:20 |
| didrocks | bdmurray: thanks for the fix! | 15:20 |
| bdmurray | didrocks: no problem, I'll update that wiki page with info about testing them then | 15:21 |
| didrocks | bdmurray: yeah, that would be handful! thanks :) | 15:21 |
| zul | ahasenack: done | 15:25 |
| ahasenack | zul: thanks, so now someone else needs to approve it? | 15:25 |
| zul | ahasenack: yep | 15:26 |
| bdrung | jamespage: ack, we have to wait for the release team to review it | 15:26 |
| bdrung | jamespage: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~james-page/ubuntu/oneiric/jenkins/ftbfs-asm3.3/revision/4 -> why do you change the "Forma of this file is" line? | 15:27 |
| jamespage | bdrung: because I can't use vim by the looks of things - that is a mistake | 15:27 |
| jamespage | lemme just fix that | 15:31 |
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| micahg | multiarch broke? | 16:31 |
| infinity | Archive skew, I assume. | 16:31 |
| infinity | libgcc1 | 1:4.6.1-9ubuntu2 | oneiric | armel, i386, powerpc | 16:33 |
| infinity | libgcc1 | 1:4.6.1-9ubuntu3 | oneiric | amd64 | 16:33 |
| infinity | micahg: ^--- When that shakes out, life will be good again. | 16:33 |
| micahg | infinity: ok, figured as much, thanks | 16:33 |
| * micahg wonders why some symlinks in ia32-libs adds 17.8MB to the binary size | 16:41 | |
| infinity | *raise brow* | 16:42 |
| micahg | err, add 4.9MB to the binary, 17.8 to the installed size | 16:43 |
| infinity | Without looking at the change, I'd be inclined to go with the general Internet wisdom of "ur doin it wrong". | 16:44 |
| * micahg is just an observer in this case... | 16:47 | |
| micahg | YokoZar: ^^ | 16:47 |
| infinity | micahg: Did you miss the "- Also add libllvm2.9" part? | 16:48 |
| micahg | infinity: yeah, that must be it :( | 16:49 |
| micahg | YokoZar: nevermind | 16:49 |
| infinity | micahg: Yeah, that's definitely it. llvm is huge. | 16:52 |
| infinity | It's also multiarched, so I'm not sure why it's in ia32-libs... | 16:53 |
| infinity | YokoZar: What was the rationale for adding llvm to ia32-libs? | 16:55 |
| slangasek | infinity: dependency of some of the mesa backends. | 17:00 |
| slangasek | I was content to leave them broken, YokoZar seemingly less so | 17:00 |
| infinity | slangasek: Irksome. So not really fixable until mesa is also multiarched, I guess. | 17:01 |
| infinity | Except... It is. | 17:01 |
| infinity | But I suppose we still need lib32 insanity there for hysterical raisins. | 17:03 |
| slangasek | infinity: it's all needed because of other libraries farther up the chain that aren't multiarched; the handful of packages that still have to be installed with ia32-libs should be dependency-complete on amd64, since we can't make ia32-libs Depends: libgl1-mesa:i386 | 17:07 |
| slangasek | but then, "fixing" libGL in the latest upload has regressed some binary-only software that was happier when it couldn't find it ;) (bug #851947) | 17:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 851947 in ia32-libs (Ubuntu) "/usr/lib32/libGL.so.1 prevents Doom 3 from starting" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851947 | 17:07 |
| infinity | slangasek: Fun bug. I assume that's a bad interaction with a binary driver or some such. They used to dpkg-divert those paths. | 17:14 |
| infinity | Maybe it's time to install the non-free nvidia driver and try to play Doom. | 17:16 |
| Chipzz | infinity: with the added bonus of loosing some frustration. or was that the whole point to begin with? ;) | 17:22 |
| infinity | Chipzz: I can play video games with nouveau these days (we've come a long way!), so the frustration vector with the non-free driver is entirely in the wrong direction. | 17:24 |
| slangasek | infinity: well, we don't use dpkg-divert anymore, but update-alternatives :) | 17:29 |
| slangasek | so if ia32-libs is now installing libGL to /usr/lib32, that could well be the problem, because the alternatives are meant to operate on ld.so.conf.d | 17:29 |
| infinity | slangasek: Yeah, that's almost certainly the problem, if none of that's been looked at since dpkg-divert was given the boot from the binary drivers. | 17:30 |
| slangasek | mvo_: still around? Would you be willing to also install cryptsetup to test that case on bug #849954? | 17:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 849954 in plymouth (Ubuntu Oneiric) "FFe: enable flicker-free boot with lightdm" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/849954 | 17:31 |
| slangasek | mvo_: you don't need to use cryptsetup, just have it installed | 17:31 |
| Daviey | RoAkSoAx: How does testdrive know about the current candidate? | 17:35 |
| Daviey | Does it use, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/dllist ? | 17:35 |
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| i0n | is there anywhere I can find out what ./configure options the apache2 maintainer used when packaging httpd? | 18:20 |
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| slangasek | i0n: download the source package and look at it? | 18:23 |
| slangasek | apw: do you know if there's a reason why udev's udev-fallback-graphics job and plymouth-splash/lightdm/gdm have duplicate checks for graphics-device-added and drm-device-added events? It seems to me that they should really only be checked in one place or the other | 18:24 |
| i0n | slangasek: i did, ive busted it open and looking at it im not finding how it assigns the install directories.. In src/debian there are some files like apache2.2-bin.dirs which look right, but im having a hard time seeing where they are called. | 18:24 |
| slangasek | i.e., either udev-fallback-graphics should be emitted only when we *don't* get one of the other events, or we should check for that event exclusively rather than checking for it as well as the -device-added events | 18:24 |
| slangasek | i0n: debian/rules is the makefile that controls package building. You could also look at the build log in launchpad, which would show all the command output | 18:25 |
| i0n | slangasek: thanks, im new to packaging on this level. | 18:25 |
| i0n | slangasek: is there a dpkg command way to grab the source? | 18:30 |
| slangasek | i0n: 'apt-get source <package>' | 18:30 |
| i0n | hmm i copied the debian/ directory into the new apache source | 18:32 |
| zul | barry: for the dh_python2 transition does it matter if the python version is 2.6.6-3 | 18:36 |
| barry | zul: 2.6.6-3~ specifically | 18:36 |
| zul | barry: how come? | 18:37 |
| Daviey | That is why dh_python2 support was added, wasn't it? | 18:37 |
| Daviey | s/why/when | 18:37 |
| mtaylor | sorry - just joined - can someone paste me the bit of this that I missed? | 18:38 |
| barry | zul: python-defaults (2.6.6-3) unstable; urgency=low | 18:38 |
| barry | 18:38 | |
| barry | * Upload to unstable | 18:38 |
| barry | * dh_python2: egg renaming fixed | 18:38 |
| barry | 18:38 | |
| barry | -- Piotr Ożarowski <piotr@debian.org> Wed, 22 Sep 2010 23:03:15 +0200 | 18:38 |
| barry | 18:38 | |
| zul | barry: ah ok | 18:38 |
| barry | zul: np! | 18:39 |
| Daviey | Does anyone have thoughts on http://paste.ubuntu.com/691015/ (line 442), having difernet behaviour based on lsb_release output seems fugly to me.. | 18:40 |
| * mtaylor agrees with Daviey - would love a better solution - but would prefer fugly to no solution | 18:40 | |
| mtaylor | Daviey: I suppose I _could_ test for the existence of dh_python2... | 18:41 |
| Daviey | mtaylor: I'm not convinced debian/rules should handle backports in the main stamp, at least. | 18:42 |
| Daviey | Is it really unreasonable to run an extra script? | 18:42 |
| mtaylor | Daviey: I understand | 18:42 |
| mtaylor | I would HIGHLY prefer not to | 18:42 |
| slangasek | IMHO this is why we have VCSes that let us cheaply manage different branches for each release, but YMMV :) | 18:42 |
| infinity | Daviey: Different behaviour based on lsb_release is pretty common. | 18:42 |
| slangasek | infinity: yes, but generally only for Ubuntu vs. Debian, not lucid/maverick vs. natty+ | 18:43 |
| Daviey | infinity: example? | 18:43 |
| Daviey | Ahh, yes - seen that for upstart vs init.d | 18:43 |
| micahg | slangasek: not true, we do it in the Mozilla products | 18:43 |
| mtaylor | Daviey: how about this insteaD: | 18:43 |
| mtaylor | WITH_PYTHON2 = $(shell test -f /usr/bin/dh_python2 && echo "--with python2") | 18:43 |
| infinity | slangasek: Looked at the GCC makefiles lately? | 18:43 |
| micahg | slangasek: I take that back, Mozilla is an exception to everything :) | 18:44 |
| slangasek | mtaylor, Daviey: we are meant to be backporting dh_python2 for use with lucid and maverick via -updates or -backports yet this cycle; would it perhaps be sufficient to assume dh_python2 availability? | 18:44 |
| mtaylor | slangasek: that's been part of the assumption ... but we're trying to release openstack diablo | 18:45 |
| slangasek | infinity: yes, and gcc is the exception that proves the rule... :) | 18:45 |
| infinity | slangasek: Perhaps. :P | 18:45 |
| mtaylor | slangasek: and I currently cannot build packages for lucid | 18:45 |
| slangasek | mtaylor: right | 18:45 |
| ScottK | That's because no one finished the backport yet. | 18:45 |
| ScottK | Someone should do that. | 18:45 |
| Daviey | mtaylor: whey not wrap your package building with, [ -a debian/backports/$(lsb_release -c | awk '{ print $2 }') ] debian/backports/$(lsb_release -c | awk '{ print $2 }') | 18:45 |
| Daviey | so run a backport script if it exists? | 18:45 |
| mtaylor | slangasek: also - I'm not personally convinced about asking someone who adds ppa:nova-core/ppa to also add backports | 18:45 |
| infinity | I see no particular issues with debian/rules being backport-friendly... | 18:45 |
| ScottK | mtaylor: The intent is to put it in -updates. | 18:46 |
| mtaylor | Daviey: why is that better/more desirable? that requires wrapper scripts | 18:46 |
| slangasek | doko: ^^ barry mentioned that you have a tentative dh_python2 backport branch; is it in a state worth sharing with mtaylor? | 18:46 |
| mtaylor | slangasek: yeah - if that was something I could pop into my ppa, that would make me very happy | 18:46 |
| Daviey | mtaylor: i assumed you already had a script? | 18:46 |
| mtaylor | Daviey: there is currently a script, but every line that exists in it is a bug imo | 18:47 |
| barry | i'm also happy to take over doko's branch if it would help | 18:48 |
| mtaylor | Daviey: you will find that I come from the "defaults should do sensible things" camp and find wrapper scripts to be hacks that indicate underlying system bugs | 18:48 |
| * mtaylor would also be more than happy to help on doko's branch ... certainly not opposed to pitching in here :) | 18:48 | |
| Daviey | mtaylor: and WITH_PYTHON2 = $(shell lsb_release -c | perl -nle '/lucid|maverick/ && print "--with python2"') , isn't a hack!? | 18:49 |
| doko | no branch. I'll try to push this out this weekend | 18:49 |
| dobey | does a release team member still need to approve freeze exception on bug #850142 ? it has +1 from docs and translations | 18:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 850142 in Ubuntu One Control Panel "UI Freeze exception: Remove the Bookmarks section from the Services tab" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850142 | 18:49 |
| SpamapS | If the goal of the branch is to build on lucid -> current .. then it should just handle this in debian/rules by choosing whichever is available. How is that not working already with just 'dh' ? | 18:49 |
| mtaylor | in any case - I expect someone to be able to pull a packaging branch and build a package using standard toolchains and not have to know about additional scripts that must be run in order to enable that | 18:49 |
| dobey | SpamapS: dh doesn't default to python2 in anything yet. it defaults to python-support | 18:50 |
| SpamapS | Is there some reason we can't just let it build with python-support ? | 18:50 |
| cr3 | skaet: any updates on the flag I raised earlier about checkbox and file permissions? | 18:51 |
| dobey | SpamapS: too simple? ;) | 18:51 |
| skaet | cr3, yes, sorry. its fine. go ahead. | 18:51 |
| SpamapS | its still in main | 18:51 |
| infinity | Daviey: It's not much worse than old debian/rules files that use to do "test -x /usr/bin/dh_foo && dh_foo", which was a very common practice. | 18:51 |
| SpamapS | this doesn't go on any CDs | 18:51 |
| dobey | SpamapS: the fun part is if you are shipping a twisted plugin or something | 18:51 |
| infinity | Daviey: Again, I don't see why you're annoyed with a backport-friendly rules file. | 18:51 |
| SpamapS | I would be pretty surprised if nova/glance/swift had twisted plugins embedded. :) | 18:51 |
| barry | doko: awesome, thanks! | 18:52 |
| dobey | SpamapS: well anything similar to that. twisted is an example i saw problems with, because it uses python-central on lucid, but not on maverick+ | 18:52 |
| Daviey | infinity: I'm not annoyed, it just seems messy to support X releases with one rules file. | 18:52 |
| barry | the main reason to backport dh_python2 is so that people can also back port oneiric/debian versions of converted packages more easily | 18:53 |
| SpamapS | Daviey: what is the reasoning behind forcing dh_python2? | 18:53 |
| infinity | Daviey: Honestly, I prefer it. | 18:53 |
| mtaylor | Daviey: depends on from which perspective... NOT supporting X releases with one rules file is messy from an upstream perspective | 18:53 |
| dobey | Daviey: i'd rather have 1 rules file, even if i have to do funky stuff to generate control from control.in and such, rather than N rules/control files, from the perspective of maintaining daily builds on N releases | 18:54 |
| mtaylor | ++ | 18:54 |
| Daviey | mtaylor: I dunno, having a backport script seems to be cleaner to me.. easier to maintain, and a tidier rules file. I guess that is preference. | 18:55 |
| micahg | openjdk also uses one rules file for multiple releases | 18:55 |
| Daviey | I've seen the script to mangle the package in a few areas. | 18:55 |
| Daviey | It also allows you to mangle to control file etc. | 18:55 |
| SpamapS | Whats tidier than a dh7 rules file with no arguments? :) | 18:55 |
| mtaylor | now that's the tidiest! | 18:55 |
| dobey | SpamapS: an empty rules files ;) | 18:56 |
| * SpamapS got told | 18:56 | |
| mtaylor | dobey: ++ | 18:56 |
| SpamapS | ;) | 18:56 |
| * infinity fears we've now abstracted so far that people find a 3-line rules file ugly, when a 1-line one would have sufficed if there wasn't that "icky 2-line hack". | 18:56 | |
| barry | yeah, unfortunately, even with dhpy2, you still can't quite get to a 3-liner | 18:56 |
| SpamapS | infinity: ROFL | 18:56 |
| * mtaylor has many packages that had 3 line dh rules files and worked just fine... turns out if upstream behaves itself ... :) | 18:57 | |
| dobey | if people would just stop writing new code, it would be easy | 18:57 |
| mvo_ | slangasek: re 849954 - sure I can do that | 18:57 |
| slangasek | mvo_: thankee :) | 18:58 |
| barry | mtaylor: yep. more goo comes in when you want to run the test suite for multiple versions, have rest docs to build, etc. | 18:58 |
| mtaylor | barry: TOTALLY | 18:58 |
| barry | mtaylor: well, now that i passed pox's muster on my own packages, i'm going to look into fixing those problems. eg. debbug 641314 | 18:59 |
| Daviey | mtaylor: note, that using the mangling method would have removed all the pain you have been experiencing trying to get one debian/ for all releases | 18:59 |
| * YokoZar thought he removed the wine1.0 package last cycle... | 18:59 | |
| mtaylor | Daviey: there are many things that would have removed all of the pain I'm experiencing. I'm guessing we probably don't want to explore them all right now :) | 19:00 |
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| dobey | slangasek: can one of you give release team ok on bug #850142 ? it has OKs from docs/i18n | 19:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 850142 in Ubuntu One Control Panel "UI Freeze exception: Remove the Bookmarks section from the Services tab" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850142 | 19:02 |
| YokoZar | Say I'm removing wine1.0, can I: 1) Straight up have archive delete it, 2) Convert it into a dummy package depending on wine1.2, or 3) Delete it and ask update-manager to transition users? | 19:02 |
| mvo_ | YokoZar: I think (2) is best | 19:02 |
| Daviey | mtaylor: Well if you think it helps the discussion.. | 19:02 |
| mvo_ | YokoZar: hello btw | 19:02 |
| infinity | YokoZar: Having update-managet do it is something we do when you fail to do (2) correctly. It shouldn't be the default option. :P | 19:02 |
| mtaylor | Daviey: nah. I doubt it would be useful in any way right now | 19:03 |
| YokoZar | mvo_: Hey there :) | 19:03 |
| YokoZar | infinity: Yes, the downside is this means it takes 2 LTS cycles to completely remove a package since you need the first to transition users and the second to breaks/replaces it | 19:03 |
| infinity | YokoZar: However, you should probably produce the transitional metapackages from the 1.2 or 1.3 source, and just delete the 1.0 source completely. | 19:03 |
| YokoZar | infinity: yes, of course | 19:03 |
| Daviey | mtaylor: well best not say it then :) | 19:04 |
| mtaylor | done! | 19:04 |
| YokoZar | mvo_: Does software center still display dummy packages? | 19:04 |
| infinity | YokoZar: Eh? You can break/replace right now, it should just be versioned. | 19:04 |
| mvo_ | yes, but that is probably something we should fix (that it displays dummy packages) | 19:05 |
| infinity | YokoZar: And then after the next LTS, you just silently drop the transitional package. | 19:05 |
| infinity | mvo_: Filtering out "transitional" in descriptions would probably catch most of them. | 19:05 |
| infinity | mvo_: Curious if there are any false positives in that list, though. | 19:05 |
| RoAkSoAx | Daviey: nope not at the moment | 19:07 |
| RoAkSoAx | Daviey: when I did that the dllist stuff wasn't yet being generated, but thanks for reminding me about that | 19:08 |
| mvo_ | infinity: yeah, I will check that out | 19:08 |
| Daviey | RoAkSoAx: how are you doing it atm? | 19:08 |
| RoAkSoAx | Daviey: (status, output) = commands.getstatusoutput("wget -q -O- http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker | egrep 'iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test'") | 19:09 |
| Daviey | RoAkSoAx: awesome :) | 19:11 |
| RoAkSoAx | Daviey: ;) | 19:18 |
| SpamapS | damnit.. just figured out my Canon printer has been DoS'ing my wifi for the last day with mDNS.. no wonder network has been crap. | 19:19 |
| YokoZar | infinity: I meant breaks/replace a non-versioned one and have no binary dummy in the archive. Takes two LTS for that :( | 19:21 |
| YokoZar | Not that I should be particularly concerned about binary dummys... | 19:21 |
| infinity | Nope, still just the one. | 19:22 |
| infinity | YokoZar: The trick, if your foo1.0 package is produced from foo1.2 sources is to have your Breaks/Replaces on << Source-Version, and then when you drop the transitional package (in the release after the LTS), you just change that Breaks to a Conflicts, and poof it goes away. | 19:24 |
| YokoZar | Err ok 2 releases not 2 LTS releases | 19:24 |
| YokoZar | (one of which is an LTS though) | 19:24 |
| nigelb | SpamapS: In honor of the awesomeness http://c0016417.cdn2.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/353omj.jpg | 19:24 |
| infinity | YokoZar: I don't see a problem with that. :P | 19:24 |
| micahg | infinity: YokoZar don't forget about removing the version when converting to conflicts :) | 19:25 |
| infinity | micahg: Actually, the versioning still works in that case. But sure, it's also correct to remove it. :P | 19:25 |
| micahg | infinity: I've been told versioned conflicts does bad things to apt | 19:26 |
| slangasek | correct | 19:26 |
| slangasek | you should use versioned breaks+replaces, or unversioned conflicts+replaces, per Policy | 19:27 |
| infinity | I suspect that depends on what it's trying to resolve. | 19:27 |
| slangasek | other combinations are Nearly Always Wrong | 19:27 |
| infinity | slangasek: Well, yes. That policy is sane because it accidentally describes what Breaks and Conflicts are semantically meant to do. | 19:28 |
| infinity | But from a "will it break" perspective, a versioned Conflict+Replace won't behave any worse than a versioned Break+Replace, it's just not quite correct. | 19:28 |
| infinity | (But when the version spec ends up matching "every version ever", it's ultimately the same as unversioned) | 19:28 |
| slangasek | no, a versioned Conflicts+Replaces *does* behave worse than a versioned Breaks+Replace | 19:29 |
| slangasek | Breaks --> deconfigure before continuing, Conflicts --> remove or upgrade before continuing | 19:30 |
| slangasek | very different impact on the resolver | 19:30 |
| infinity | slangasek: In the above case? Unless someone broke something in apt, I fail to see how it could. | 19:30 |
| infinity | But yes, in many cases, fair enough. | 19:30 |
| dobey | SpamapS: i don't even have my printer plugged in to ac power unless i need to use it for something | 19:32 |
| SpamapS | nigelb: :-D | 19:52 |
| nigelb | :) | 19:52 |
| micahg | can we recommend from multiverse to partner since if partner isn't enabled, it should just ignore it? | 20:00 |
| dobey | hrmm | 20:01 |
| ScottK | micahg: You can. | 20:01 |
| ScottK | The only requirement for multiverse is that it be legally distributable. | 20:01 |
| micahg | ScottK: ok, thanks | 20:01 |
| ScottK | It doesn't even have to be installable. | 20:01 |
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| cr3 | skaet: regarding the flag I raised earlier, roadmr reported bug #852138 with the corresponding merge request | 20:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 852138 in checkbox (Ubuntu) "Some files under scripts/ lack executable permission" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/852138 | 20:58 |
| m4n1sh | doko: ping | 21:11 |
| mtaylor | kirkland: ping | 22:12 |
| kirkland | mtaylor: yo | 22:12 |
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