[00:00] <JoseeAntonioR> Again, tenach isn't here.
[00:00] <pleia2> he has trouble making it to meeting due to his schedule, we're on top of it :)
[00:00] <JoseeAntonioR> Oh, well.
[00:01] <cyphermox> you all ready to start?
[00:01] <jedijf> yes
[00:01] <JoseeAntonioR> Yes (:
[00:01] <Z37A> yes of course
[00:01] <cyphermox> #startmeeting Americas Regional Membership Board
[00:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Sep 16 00:01:35 2011 UTC.  The chair is cyphermox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[00:01] <cyphermox> #topic Ubuntu Membership
[00:02] <cyphermox> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the Americas meeting for September 15, 2011. The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas
[00:02] <cyphermox> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[00:03] <cyphermox> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[00:03] <cyphermox> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[00:03] <cyphermox> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[00:03] <cyphermox> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[00:04] <cyphermox> #voters cyphermox Pendulum pleia2 beuno n0rman greg-g dinda1
[00:04] <meetingology> Warning: Nick not in channel: greg-g
[00:04] <meetingology> Current voters: Pendulum beuno cyphermox dinda1 greg-g n0rman pleia2
[00:04] <cyphermox> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[00:05] <cyphermox> I think we'll actually skip tenach until he shows up ;)
[00:05] <cyphermox> #subtopic Membership application for Joe Liau (JoeVancouver)
[00:06] <JoeVancouver> Hello, I am here. The link to my wiki is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JoeLiau
[00:06] <cyphermox> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JoeLiau
[00:07]  * pleia2 thinks JoeVancouver looks suspiciously like a jawa
[00:07] <JoeVancouver> :) I'm Joe Liau, the "Master Presenter" for Ubuntu Vancouver LoCo (UVLC). I've been an Ubuntu contributor for 2 years, primarily as one of the core members of UVLC. I have also participated in Ubuntu forums, bug reporting, and Ubuntu marketing efforts.
[00:09] <pleia2> JoeVancouver: thinking of making an update U video with Unity screenshots? :)
[00:09] <JoeVancouver> Yes, I would like to re-create a video like that
[00:10] <dinda1> Looks like the UVLC is quite active
[00:10] <JoeVancouver> It is quite out of date
[00:10] <JoeVancouver> Yes, UVLC is active. The video is out of date :P
[00:11] <pleia2> JoeVancouver: what inspired you to join your LoCo?
[00:12] <JoeVancouver> I am naturally drawn to communities, and I enjoy helping others. When I joined the LoCo it was really starting to emerge and grow, and I wanted to part of that action.
[00:12] <pleia2> cool
[00:13] <cyphermox> I think all the board members are ready to vote, so...
[00:13] <cyphermox> #vote Joe Liau (JoeVancouver) to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[00:13] <meetingology> Please vote on: Joe Liau (JoeVancouver) to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[00:13] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[00:13] <pleia2> +1
[00:13] <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
[00:13] <cyphermox> +1
[00:13] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[00:13] <dinda1> +1
[00:13] <meetingology> +1 received from dinda1
[00:13] <Pendulum> +1
[00:13] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[00:13] <pleia2> thank you for having such a great wiki page, makes it easy for us :)
[00:13] <Pendulum> (sorry, some keyboarding fail there)
[00:14] <cyphermox> #endvote
[00:14] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Joe Liau (JoeVancouver) to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[00:14] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[00:14] <meetingology> Motion carried
[00:14] <JoeVancouver> You're welcome. Thank you for taking the time to review.
[00:14] <pleia2> congrats and welcome, JoeVancouver!
[00:14] <rrnwexec> congratulations joe! on behalf of all your friends at UVLC. you rock :)
[00:14] <jedijf> congrats JoeVancouver
[00:14] <cyphermox> congratulations JoeVancouver
[00:14] <cyphermox> gah, I always have trouble spelling congrats...
[00:14] <Pendulum> JoeVancouver: congrats JoeVancouver!
[00:14] <dinda1> congratulations! keep up the great work
[00:14] <pleia2> oh, btw, if anyone is here to cheer for a candidate, they can do so at any time during their "interview"
[00:14] <pleia2> no need to wait for us to ask you to cheer :)
[00:14] <Pendulum> cyphermox: that's why I stop with 'congrats' ;-)
[00:14] <JoeVancouver> Thanks everyone for your time and accolades !
[00:15] <JoseeAntonioR> Congratulations, JoeVancouver.
[00:15] <cyphermox> Now you'll be able to add your blog to the planet and bring the info about what's being done in Vancouver first hand :)
[00:15] <cyphermox> #subtopic Membership application for Jim Fisher (jedijf)
[00:15] <jedijf> Hi. My name is Jim Fisher, jedijf on irc. I sell bread. I am a geek.
[00:15] <jedijf> I am 47 years old, and stay young by promoting Ubuntu wherever and
[00:15] <jedijf> as often as I can. I like to be challenged, and am always looking
[00:15] <jedijf> for projects that Ubuntu can be a part of. I like coffee, espresso,
[00:15] <jedijf> and redbull.
[00:15] <pleia2> a jawa and now a jedi
[00:15] <jedijf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jedijf
[00:15] <cyphermox> and we have our own Princess Leia :D
[00:16] <pleia2> star wars theme here at the americas board meeting tonight :)
[00:16] <jedijf> ++
[00:16] <cyphermox> jedijf: you sell bread. do you take orders for bread in the ubuntu logo? ;D
[00:16] <jedijf> i have and do!
[00:17] <jedijf> pleia2: can prolly find it faster than i
[00:17] <JonathanD> I'd like to mention the following. I organize and execute a number of events annually in the Philly area with a foss orientation. jedijf has been instrumental to fosscon, a foss conference we held here this summer, as well as multiple of our geeknic picnics (he has very graciously provided baked goods to these events, as well.)
[00:17] <dinda1> I just followed the links to the NTR project - very nice
[00:17] <JonathanD> I consider him a pillar of the Philadelphia FOSS community.
[00:18] <cyphermox> great!
[00:18] <jedijf> dinda1: i plan on restarting that
[00:18] <pleia2> my finding fu fails me, but ubuntu bread did exist
[00:18] <jedijf> it took ntr a bit to come around to the concepts we were showing them
[00:19] <jedijf> pleia2: that'll be my first planet blog
[00:19] <jedijf> :)
[00:19] <pleia2> for the record, jedijf was instrumental in getting *me* more involved in my first loco :)
[00:19] <cyphermox> jedijf: I see the last event in your page was about a year ago, I suspect that it's just an oversight, since fosscon was mentioned now?
[00:19] <pleia2> so he's to blame for all of this
[00:19] <cyphermox> pleia2: oh
[00:19] <JonathanD> Fosscon was in July.
[00:19] <cyphermox> JonathanD: thanks. That's what I suspected :)
[00:19] <jedijf> cyphermox: i stopped branding my events as loco events, but now that i am team contact there will be more LoCo follow thru
[00:20] <jedijf> i am kinda baranded the ubuntu guy throughout all of my affiliations
[00:20] <jedijf> branded
[00:20] <cyphermox> :)
[00:21] <dinda1> you've got some great endorsements
[00:21] <cyphermox> okay, we're convinced it's voting time :)
[00:21] <jedijf> i've got great people around me
[00:21] <jedijf> and some who only come back to visit
[00:21] <cyphermox> #vote Jim Fisher (jedijf) to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[00:21] <meetingology> Please vote on: Jim Fisher (jedijf) to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[00:21] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[00:21] <cyphermox> +1
[00:21] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[00:21] <dinda1> +1
[00:21] <meetingology> +1 received from dinda1
[00:21] <Pendulum> +1
[00:21] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[00:21] <nullcore> +1
[00:21] <pleia2> +1
[00:21] <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
[00:22] <cyphermox> nullcore: thanks for showing your support :)
[00:22] <cyphermox> #endvote
[00:22] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Jim Fisher (jedijf) to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[00:22] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[00:22] <meetingology> Motion carried
[00:22] <nullcore> =)
[00:22] <pleia2> woohoo, congrats jedijf!
[00:22] <jedijf> thank you all - pleia2 oreo cake in the mail ;)
[00:22] <pleia2> much deserved :)
[00:22] <pleia2> lol
[00:22] <nullcore> how do i apply for membership?
[00:22] <rmg51> :-[
[00:22] <JoeVancouver> Congratulations, jedijf!
[00:22] <cyphermox> jedijf: an amazing application throughout, congrats
[00:22] <nullcore> i already applied to ubuntu-hardened
[00:22] <Pendulum> JoeVancouver: congrats!
[00:22] <pleia2> nullcore: details here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[00:22] <nullcore> thanks pleia2
[00:23] <Pendulum> jedijf: congrats!
[00:23] <jedijf> good luck to the rest of the crowd
[00:23] <JoseeAntonioR> Congratulations, jedijf!
[00:23] <jedijf> thank you cc americas
[00:23] <cyphermox> #subtopic Membership application for Juan Manuel "Z37A" Zele (Z37A)
[00:23] <cyphermox> Z37A: it's your turn :)
[00:23] <Z37A> Hello people, i'm Juan Manuel, and here is my wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/z37a
[00:24] <Z37A> I found more practical to separate language
[00:24] <Z37A> but because of time I could not finish a version in French
[00:25] <dinda1> the English one is good :)
[00:26] <Z37A> thanks!
[00:27] <Z37A> I'm still studying English
[00:27] <pleia2> Z37A: I notice that you've done events in schools, is Ubuntu in many schools there in AR?
[00:27] <Z37A> and french....
[00:27] <Z37A> The gouvernament project "Conectar Igualdad" includes Ubuntu in laptops per students
[00:28] <pleia2> wow, that's great
[00:28] <juancarlospaco> local gob are distributing netbooks with Ubuntu on all schools
[00:29] <Z37A> yes, at the first includes rxart, then ubuntu
[00:29] <jedijf> Z37A's_local_gov++
[00:29] <Z37A> I contact with teachers in ET36 to participate with free software conferences in the ET36
[00:30] <Z37A> for this reason i helped with this conferences to include free software
[00:31] <pleia2> great ubucon photos :)
[00:31] <juancarlospaco> great work of Juan Manuel at ET36, bring a lot of people to mailing lists recently
[00:32] <cyphermox> #vote Juan Manuel "Z37A" Zele (Z37A) to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[00:32] <meetingology> Please vote on: Juan Manuel "Z37A" Zele (Z37A) to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[00:32] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[00:33] <dinda1> +1
[00:33] <meetingology> +1 received from dinda1
[00:33] <Pendulum> +1
[00:33] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[00:33] <pleia2> +1
[00:33] <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
[00:33] <cyphermox> +1
[00:33] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[00:33] <cyphermox> #endvote
[00:33] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Juan Manuel "Z37A" Zele (Z37A) to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[00:33] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[00:33] <meetingology> Motion carried
[00:33] <unimix> gret
[00:34] <cyphermox> congrats Z37A
[00:34] <JoseeAntonioR> Congratulations, Z37A!
[00:34] <pleia2> congrats and welcome Z37A :)
[00:34] <Z37A> thanks people!
[00:34] <JoeVancouver> Congrats, Z37A!
[00:34] <unimix> great Z37A !! You deserve it !!
[00:34] <juancarlospaco> Congratulations!
[00:34] <unimix> good work Z37A !!
[00:34] <juancarlospaco> :D deserved membership
[00:34] <Z37A> thanks unimix, juancarlospaco!
[00:34] <cyphermox> still no tenach huh
[00:34] <cyphermox> #subtopic Membership application for José Antonio Rey (JoseeAntonioR)
[00:35] <JoseeAntonioR> Hello everyone. My name is José Antonio Rey. I am 14 years old, and I am located in Peru. My wiki link is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JoseeAntonioR
[00:35] <JoseeAntonioR> Sorry, but I have testimonials in Spanish.
[00:35] <pleia2> no problem, google translate helps :)
[00:35] <cyphermox> it's fine for me, good practice :)
[00:36] <JoseeAntonioR> :)
[00:36] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: does your school use Ubuntu yet?
[00:36] <JoseeAntonioR> Not actually. With Diopj4, we've been trying to introduce it.
[00:36] <JoseeAntonioR> The principal did not paid much attention to the project.
[00:37] <JoseeAntonioR> He said he was focusing on another thing, but we're trying again in 2 weeks (:
[00:37] <JoseeAntonioR> Diopj4 is here, in case you need his testimonial.
[00:38] <pleia2> hello Diopj4 :)
[00:38] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: I know how difficult it can be here in the US to get Ubuntu in to schools, it's great to see people making the effort elsewhere too
[00:38] <Diopj4> hello (:
[00:38] <fernandodx15> I'm in his school too
[00:39] <pleia2> wow, great
[00:39] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2 Actually, I'm trying to expand the use of Ubuntu in all Peru.
[00:39] <pleia2> Peru has llamas :)
[00:39] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2 I would like to see a change in the next 2 or 3 years, as there are many options apart from Windows.
[00:40] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2 Right!
[00:40] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: how long have you been working with Ubuntu?
[00:40] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2 1 year aproximately.
[00:41] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2 But I have done a lot of investigation as I had some problems, and I have learnt a lot.
[00:41] <dinda1> JoseeAntonioR: are there any organized meetings or events around Ubuntu in your area?
[00:41] <JoseeAntonioR> dinda1 The Peruvian LoCo team is not too active, so there aren't many.
[00:41] <JoseeAntonioR> dinda1 We're having a conference soon, but Ubuntu is not the main topic.
[00:41] <dinda1> can you give us any suggestion how we might help support your effots?
[00:42] <JoseeAntonioR> dinda1 I think just having more material on the web would be great.
[00:42] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: are you familiar with spreadubuntu.com ?
[00:42] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2 Yes, I am. I have printed some posters from there.
[00:42] <pleia2> oh good :)
[00:42] <dinda1> JoseeAntonioR: yes, I see you've looked at the desktop course - way out date unfortunately :(
[00:43] <JoseeAntonioR> dinda1 Oh.
[00:43] <pleia2> I know akgraner is working on something now
[00:43] <dinda1> JoseeAntonioR: yes and others are hoping to help too
[00:43] <pleia2> hopefully we'll have some updated materials this next cycle
[00:43] <JoseeAntonioR> In my opinion, having official materian from Canonical to spread Ubuntu would be great.
[00:44] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2 I hope so.
[00:44] <dinda1> I have some materials geared toward teachers and school administrators, I'll try to send them to you
[00:44] <JoseeAntonioR> dinda1 Great! Thanks!
[00:44] <cyphermox> dinda1: nice
[00:45] <cyphermox> #vote José Antonio Rey (JoseeAntonioR) to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[00:45] <meetingology> Please vote on: José Antonio Rey (JoseeAntonioR) to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[00:45] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[00:45] <pleia2> +1
[00:45] <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
[00:45] <dinda1> +1
[00:45] <meetingology> +1 received from dinda1
[00:45] <Pendulum> +1
[00:45] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[00:45] <cyphermox> +1, nice work, please keep it up :)
[00:45] <meetingology> +1, nice work, please keep it up :) received from cyphermox
[00:45] <cyphermox> #endvote
[00:45] <meetingology> Voting ended on: José Antonio Rey (JoseeAntonioR) to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[00:45] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[00:45] <meetingology> Motion carried
[00:45] <pleia2> great work JoseeAntonioR :) welcome!
[00:45] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2 Thanks!
[00:45] <JoseeAntonioR> I will keep the good work up.
[00:46] <fernandodx15> i´ve been looking up the job of JoseeAntonioR, and i really think that he deserves the membership.
[00:46] <cyphermox> JoseeAntonioR: I look forward to your user days presentation :)
[00:46] <JoeVancouver> Congratulations! JoseeAntonioR
[00:46] <pleia2> and thanks again for volunteering for User Days, let me know if you have any more questions :)
[00:46] <JoseeAntonioR> cyphermox I will be preparing the class tomorrow (:
[00:46] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2 Thanks!
[00:46] <cyphermox> fernandodx15: it's great to see classmates coming to cheer too :)
[00:46] <JoseeAntonioR> JoeVancouver Thanks!
[00:46] <fernandodx15> thanks! :)
[00:46] <pleia2> great meeting, thanks everyone!
[00:46] <JoseeAntonioR> Aren't we waiting for tenach?
[00:47] <cyphermox> and in the great words of Bugs Bunny, That's all folks!
[00:47] <dinda1> nice to see so many great candidates being recognized
[00:47] <pleia2> hopefully he can make the next meeting :)
[00:47] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2 I hope so.
[00:47] <cyphermox> #voters everyone
[00:47] <meetingology> Everyone can now vote
[00:47] <cyphermox> #endmeeting
[00:47] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Sep 16 00:47:48 2011 UTC.
[00:47] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-09-16-00.01.moin.txt
[00:47] <fernandodx15> congratulations JoseeAntonioR!
[00:47] <JoseeAntonioR> fernandodx15 Thanks!
[00:49] <juancarlospaco> congrats all new members!, keep working...,  see you on the interwebz
[00:50] <JoseeAntonioR> Goodbye everyone!
[00:50]  * cyphermox gives meetingology a cookie
[14:59]  * charlie-tca waves
[15:00]  * skaet waves
[15:00]  * stgraber waves
[15:00] <skaet> time to get this started.... :)
[15:00] <ScottK> o/
[15:00] <skaet> #startmeeting
[15:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Sep 16 15:00:51 2011 UTC.  The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[15:01] <skaet> [TOPIC] Release general overview - skaet
[15:01] <skaet> Agenda can be found: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-09-16
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> 11.10 FeatureFreeze,  UserInterfaceFreeze, BetaFreeze now in effect
[15:01] <skaet> 11.10 Beta 2: Sept 22, 2011.
[15:01] <skaet> 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> Thank you to those teams who've been updating their burndowns over last week, they're starting to look a bit better.   We're still a bit behind where we should be at this point in the cycle, so would appreciate it if all the teams and individuals could please review the work items and make sure the status is accurate.
[15:01] <skaet> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:02] <skaet> Beta bugs have hit!  Lots of bugs showing up on the lists,  needing fixes.
[15:02] <skaet> Please review the overall lists for the release as well as your individual team lists for bugs that may have been overlooked.
[15:02] <skaet> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs?field.tag=-ftbfs
[15:02] <skaet> [LINK] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-11.10-beta-2
[15:02] <skaet> .
[15:02] <skaet> For those who want to see what bugs are showing up on the release list during the week, without waiting for the weekly agenda to go up on the WIKI,  a new hourly updated report page is now available!  (Big Thanks to bjf!)
[15:03] <skaet> [LINK] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-mgr-o-tracking-bugs.html
[15:03] <skaet> If you see a package being looked at against the wrong team,  let me or one of the defect analysts know, and we'll adjust.
[15:03] <skaet> .
[15:03] <skaet> There has been some discussion on #ubuntu-release this week about whether we should unfreeze the archive between Beta Freeze and Final Freeze (1 week interval).  For those interested,  we'll be discussing this after we finish the roundtable part of the agenda.
[15:03] <skaet> ..
[15:03] <skaet> any questions before moving on into the round table?
[15:04] <skaet> [TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - mlegris
[15:04] <mlegris1> hi all o/
[15:04] <mlegris1> [Week 37 Testing Report]
[15:04] <mlegris1> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/hw-testing/week37_2011.html
[15:04] <mlegris1> .
[15:04] <mlegris1> lots of bug fixes have come in as well since A3, the team has been busy verifying those
[15:05] <mlegris1> Bugs:
[15:05] <mlegris1> *  Bug #810145 - unity-panel-service crashes
[15:05] <mlegris1> ..
[15:05] <skaet> Thanks mlegris1
[15:05] <skaet> are there any bugs you consider blockers for beta 2 at this point?
[15:07] <mlegris1> I'd have to review the list, but no blockers other then the individual one we logged against systems
[15:08] <skaet> ok mlegris1,  please let me know offline if there are some that the release team should keep an eye open for accepting while we're in beta freeze
[15:08] <mlegris1> sure thing skaet
[15:08] <skaet> any other questions for mlegris1?
[15:09] <skaet> btw - there are a couple of rearrangements from the usual order today.   just a head's up for those giving summaries ;)
[15:09] <skaet> [TOPIC] MOTU team update - Laney
[15:10] <Laney> people have been slowly chipping away at FTBFS bugs
[15:10] <skaet> :)
[15:10] <Laney> mainly in response to colin's call for help on -devel I suppose
[15:10] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=ftbfs
[15:11] <Laney> we're trying to create some data so that we can see how well we're doing on FTBFS over time
[15:11] <Laney> NBS is also looking good for us now
[15:11] <Laney> ..
[15:11] <skaet> Thanks Laney.
[15:11] <ogra_> arm could need some love of a GLES expert ...
[15:11] <ogra_> (in universe)
[15:12] <ogra_> a big chunk of ftbfs there are GL/GLES related
[15:12] <ogra_> ..
[15:12] <skaet> +1
[15:12] <skaet> any other comments or questions for Laney?
[15:13] <skaet> [TOPIC] Security team update - jdstrand
[15:13] <jdstrand> hi!
[15:13] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:13] <jdstrand> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-security.html
[15:13] <jdstrand> Burn down is below the trend line. The remaining work items should all be either bugs or items not tied to the release schedule.
[15:13] <jdstrand> Thanks to the desktop team for fixing up the lightdm bugs I mentioned last week. :)  Looking at the list of oneiric bugs, there aren't any others worth highlighting.
[15:13] <jdstrand> ..
[15:14] <skaet> Thanks jdstrand!
[15:14] <skaet> any questions for jdstrand?
[15:14] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kernel team update - ogasawara
[15:15] <ogasawara> Overall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for Oneiric Beta-2 is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:
[15:15] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:15] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-11.10-beta-2.html
[15:15] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kernel-tasks.html
[15:15] <ogasawara> We uploaded linux-3.0.0-11.18 prior to Kernel Freeze.  Going forward, any patches we apply are subject to our SRU policy.  I suspect we'll have a few upstream stable updates and misc bug fixes we'll be pulling in prior to release.  We are currently trending above our Beta-2 burndown chart but are below overall.  The remaining work items are not release critical.
[15:15] <ogasawara> Of the remaining bugs called out on the agenda against the kernel, status is as follows:
[15:15] <ogasawara> #542660 - Looks to be related to EFI boot not loading the video bios into ram.
[15:15] <ogasawara> #710733 - Confirmed against Oneiric, not release critical, investigation ongonig.
[15:15] <ogasawara> #714862 - Assigned to kernel dev, investigation ongoing.
[15:15] <ogasawara> #746133 - Assigned to kernel dev, investigation ongoing.
[15:15] <ogasawara> #754711 - On a 3.0 oneiric kernel, system now suspends but doesn't resume.  systemtap debug scripts to help investigate recently fixed for Oneiric, see 815944.
[15:15] <ogasawara> #758486 - Told that TI will push a fix with the next BSP.
[15:15] <ogasawara> #760131 - Partly fixed in Oneiric and soon natty, more analysis ongoing upstream.
[15:15] <ogasawara> #761082 - Confirmed against Oneiric, investigation ongoing.
[15:15] <ogasawara> #790712 - The order 5 allocation seems to be bogus and non-fatal; further investigation ongoing.
[15:15] <ogasawara> #814325 - Issue confirmed upstream, actively under investigation by multiple devs.
[15:15] <ogasawara> #836250 - Assigned to kernel dev, investigation ongoing.
[15:15] <ogasawara> #820466 - Fix Released
[15:15] <ogasawara> Questions?
[15:15] <ogasawara> ..
[15:16] <skaet> Thanks ogasawara!
[15:16] <skaet> do you want me to change the coding of 710733 so it doesn't show up on the list?
[15:17] <skaet> since its not release critical?
[15:17] <ogasawara> skaet: yah, that'd be great
[15:17] <skaet> ogasawara, ok, will do.
[15:17] <skaet> any other questions?
[15:17] <skaet> [TOPIC] Foundations team update - cjwatson
[15:18] <cjwatson> Feature status: unlikely to see much further progress for Oneiric, although not all the work items are officially postponed yet.
[15:18] <cjwatson> multiarch-translations has landed in LP; there'll be one further tweak here but that's essentially done.
[15:18] <cjwatson> NBS was briefly clear earlier today!  Excellent progress on build failures.  We should be in good shape for beta-2 in terms of archive consistency.
[15:18] <cjwatson> Bug status: drowning.  Mostly I've just been going around poking people to try to get updates but am not having complete luck so far.  A selection of specifics:
[15:18] <cjwatson> Bug 829486: apparently specific to test rebuild, unmilestoned
[15:18] <cjwatson> Bug 772082: fixed in oneiric, closed
[15:18] <cjwatson> Bug 764893: belatedly applied Surbhi's patch, closed
[15:18] <cjwatson> Bug 848938: will look at this after the meeting
[15:18] <cjwatson> Bug 803547: should be able to backport from Debian experimental, will do that after the meeting
[15:18] <cjwatson> Bug 757631: I expect we can add a warning for this case in time for beta-2
[15:18] <cjwatson> Bug 749702: accessibility help would be very welcome!
[15:18] <cjwatson> Bug 819328: should be fixed now
[15:18] <cjwatson> Bug 812023: should no longer cause an error, although some more work needed
[15:18] <cjwatson> I'd also like to flag bug 850172 which is resisting analysis and will likely need some tracing through cdimage.  I hope to look at this by the weekend but it's possible it may affect other images.
[15:18] <cjwatson> At this point you should probably not expect anything else not already milestoned to be fixed for beta-2.
[15:18] <cjwatson> ..
[15:19] <skaet> Thanks cjwatson!    Appreciate seeing all those fixes today.
[15:20] <skaet> charlie-tca, and other flavor leads, note 850172.   Suspect you won't be getting good alternates until this is sorted.
[15:20]  * jdstrand was also excited to see NBS clear. I thought the report generation was messed up :P
[15:20]  * charlie-tca been following it
[15:20] <skaet> lol
[15:20] <skaet> any questions for cjwatson?
[15:21] <skaet> [TOPIC] Server team update - Daviey
[15:21] <Daviey> hey!
[15:21] <skaet> :)
[15:21] <Daviey> yy
[15:21] <Daviey> Stability is currently quite good, with early signs looking like a stable Beta2.
[15:21] <Daviey> Things still wished to be achieved for Beta 2:
[15:21] <Daviey>  - New upstream snapshot of nova, glance and swift. (Probably targetted for Tuesday)
[15:21] <Daviey>      - We are trying to get some fixes landed upstream, rather than patching.
[15:21] <Daviey>  - cobbler-enrol entering the archive, and with hope - seeded.
[15:22] <Daviey>  - A few other minor bug fixes.
[15:22] <Daviey> Nova - is now in main. \o/
[15:22] <Daviey> Waiting on a security review for socat bug 829234
[15:22] <Daviey> Glance seems to be wedged on lack of SSL support.  Bug 801299 .. Probably need security team ack that they are 'ok' with this lack of feature.
[15:22] <Daviey> Work items:
[15:22] <Daviey> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-server-overview.html
[15:22] <Daviey>  - Has less relevance at this stage.
[15:22] <Daviey> Bugs:
[15:22] <Daviey> We are currently tracking for release:
[15:22] <Daviey> http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html
[15:22] <Daviey> (As always, if there are any missing on that list - please let me know as soon as possible)
[15:22] <Daviey> ..
[15:22] <skaet> Thanks Daviey.
[15:23] <Daviey> Questions?
[15:23] <skaet> which of the bugs on your list do you want the release team to keep an eye out for, and let through?
[15:24] <Daviey> skaet: I think that might be better tackled on demand?
[15:24] <jdstrand> I hope to look at glance and socat MITs next week (security review)
[15:24] <jdstrand> s/MITs/MIRs/
[15:24] <Daviey> jdstrand: Thanks \o/
[15:24] <skaet> Daviey, lets talk about it after the meeting then.  thnx.
[15:24] <Daviey> skaet: rocking.
[15:25] <skaet> [TOPIC] ARM team update - ogra_
[15:25]  * ogra_ waves+
[15:25] <skaet> :)
[15:25] <ogra_> = Full Status is at: =
[15:25] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:25] <ogra_> --
[15:25] <ogra_> = Summary =
[15:25] <ogra_>  - AC100 images are ready, tested and regulary building
[15:25] <ogra_>  - Cleanup of jasper is still ongoing
[15:25] <ogra_>  - mx5 should build now but still remains untested
[15:25] <ogra_>  - Server QA testing goes on
[15:25] <ogra_>  - Sound tests on omap4 were successfull, it seems all to work fine.
[15:25] <ogra_>  - Some not yet researched network issues show up on omap3 with the recent x-loader/u-boot
[15:25] <ogra_> --
[15:25] <ogra_> = Image Status =
[15:25] <ogra_>  - Desktop images were suffering archive skew again and afterwards the omap3/mx5 builder hung, we hope everything is fine again before monday.
[15:25] <ogra_>  - Server images build and install fine
[15:25] <ogra_>  - Netboot images work fine
[15:25] <ogra_> --
[15:26] <ogra_> = Specs =
[15:26] <ogra_>  - Entire http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-arm.html
[15:26] <ogra_>  - B2 http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-arm-ubuntu-11.10-beta-2.html
[15:26] <ogra_> --
[15:26] <skaet> Thanks ogra_ !
[15:26] <ogra_> :)
[15:27]  * skaet keeps fingers crossed all those nice new builders help clear up the backlog. 
[15:27] <ogra_> oh, there is one pending u-boot upload for omap3 pending FFe review
[15:27] <ogra_> ..
[15:27] <ogra_> (just FYI)
[15:27] <ogra_> ..
[15:27] <skaet> ogra_, ok.  :)
[15:27] <skaet> any questions for ogra_ ?
[15:28] <skaet> [TOPIC] Linaro update - rsalveti or fabo
[15:28] <fabo> o/
[15:28] <skaet> :)
[15:28] <fabo> = Developer Platform =
[15:28] <fabo>  - First version of gcc-linaro package at Linaro Overlay PPA. It could be useful for P
[15:28] <fabo>  - On going debugging for LTTng 2.x. Goal is to have it working for Linaro 11.09
[15:28] <fabo>  - bug 849337 will turn into a FFe once the libjpeg-turbo is properly reviewed at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libjpeg-turbo (new package upload). Not sure if it'll make for Oneiric, would be good to have some feedback if it's desirable to have it at least available at universe.
[15:28] <fabo>  - May need another fix for u-boot-linaro, fixing OMAP 4460 ES1.1 support
[15:28] <fabo>  - FFe for u-boot-linaro, bug 851974
[15:29] <fabo> --
[15:29] <fabo> = Toolchain WG =
[15:29] <fabo>  - Linaro GCC 4.6 and 4.5 2011.09 released
[15:29] <fabo>    #823548 Can't use -flto with skia
[15:29] <fabo>    #823711 libvirt version 0.9.2-4ubuntu8 failed to build on armel
[15:29] <fabo>    #827990 internal compiler error: in decode_addr_const, at varasm.c:2632
[15:29] <fabo>    #836401 ICE on a | (b << negative-constant)
[15:29] <fabo>    #838994 ICE building perl w/ -marm
[15:29] <fabo>    #843775 ICE optimizing widening multiply-and-accumulate
[15:29] <fabo>  - Linaro QEMU 2011.09 released
[15:29] <rsalveti> FFe for u-boot-linaro is still in progress, we should have the debdiff today/monday
[15:30] <fabo>  - Linaro GDB 7.3 2011.09 released
[15:30] <fabo> = Misc =
[15:30] <rsalveti> and for libjpeg-turbo is something I'd like to check if ubuntu thinks it could be useful to have at least at universe
[15:30] <rsalveti> this can help improving jpeg performance at arm and also x86
[15:31] <fabo>  - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PReleaseInterlock updated with Linaro dates
[15:31] <fabo> ..
[15:31] <slangasek> I think it would be very nice to have libjpeg-turbo in universe
[15:31] <rsalveti> package is done, did initial review and should be good to upload, but would prefer another to review it
[15:31] <skaet> Thanks fabo and rsalveti. :)
[15:31] <skaet> re: libjpeg-turbon in universe - I agree with slangasek.
[15:32] <skaet> and thanks fabo for updaing the interlock. :)
[15:32] <rsalveti> great, will sync this off-line then at #ubuntu-dev later
[15:32] <rsalveti> ..
[15:32] <skaet> any questions?
[15:33] <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team - ??
[15:33] <skaet> is Cipaca or joshuahoover around?
[15:33] <skaet> Chipaca even. :P
[15:34] <skaet> [TOPIC] QA team update -  pgraner
[15:34] <pgraner> skaet, :)
[15:34] <skaet> :)
[15:34] <pgraner> All of the issues found at Beta one are mostly looked at and triaged:
[15:34] <pgraner> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/oneiric-milestone-bugs.html
[15:34] <pgraner> Automated testing is complete (all that we intend to implement) for this cycle with the exection of automated boot time testing. Which should be complete today.
[15:34] <pgraner> I'll follow up to u-devel with more detail in email.
[15:34] <pgraner> Prep for beta-2, working with Server Team for additional testing.
[15:34] <pgraner> ..
[15:35] <skaet> Thanks pgraner!   any questions for QA?
[15:36] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Team update - pre-sent summary
[15:36] <skaet>  GNOME 3.1.92 is due on Monday; expected that most changes will be translation updates and minor bug fixes, so we will be careful with uploading these during the beta-2 freeze. glib and GTK were already updated on Thursday to the latest upstream fixes from git, to minimize potential breakage next Monday.
[15:36] <skaet> - Landed LibreOffice 3.4.3.
[15:36] <skaet> - Lots of good bug fixes this week.
[15:36] <skaet> - Investigated main culprits for boot speed regressions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/11.10/BootSpeedAnalysis; the biggest problem has a fix and is just waiting for an (unrelated) string freeze exception. The others are most probably P material.
[15:36] <skaet> - Cleaned up remaining work items; most of the remaining issues are now about testing, documenting, and planning for the next release, and there are a few small targets of opportunity left. Code/distro wise this is pretty much done now.
[15:37] <skaet> pitti, seb128, and kenvandine are on vacation today.   They'll be back on monday though.
[15:37] <skaet> ..
[15:37] <skaet> any one have general concerns to raise?
[15:37] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth
[15:38] <dbarth> hi skaet
[15:38] <skaet> :)
[15:38] <dbarth> formal report at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/OneiricReleaseStatus
[15:38] <dbarth> essentially: 48 bug fixes on u-3d, a lot less on u-2d, but that's good news too
[15:39] <dbarth> few updates on compiz for beta-2, on purpose
[15:39] <dbarth> but we have a few more left for next week, incl. .96 with more bug fixes
[15:39] <dbarth> and hopefully something for the stack problems (still on that)
[15:40] <dbarth> indicators work see bug reports
[15:40] <dbarth> and CJK nailed for good
[15:40] <skaet> :)
[15:40] <dbarth> and that's it nostly
[15:40] <dbarth> ..
[15:40] <skaet> Thanks dbarth.
[15:40] <dbarth> i'm not finished with triaging the new bugs on your radar, but will send an update later today
[15:41] <skaet> Agenda list has more bugs than that on your radar list....
[15:41] <skaet> hehe
[15:41] <dbarth> right
[15:41] <skaet> thanks for the update later.  :)
[15:41] <skaet> any one have questions for dbarth?
[15:41] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team update - ScottK
[15:42] <ScottK> - I went through and updated the Kubuntu spec status.  Most of what's left is not tied to the release cycle.  If we can find a safe way to do it, we may still try to land plasma-mobile/active changes for an updated tech preview.
[15:42] <ScottK> - The two Beta 2 milestoned bugs on your list are fixed.  One of the other two lacks enough information to work on and the other is waiting for upstream.
[15:42] <ScottK> - We have, unfortunately, have had to rebuild all KDE packages in Main to fix a desktop file translation issue.  Most of these are uploaded and it shouldn't impact Beta 2.
[15:42] <ScottK> - We could really use a core-dev to look at a couple of important patches for Qt and upload today.  didrocks is already committed to compiz work and the Kubuntu team is very short on core-dev today.
[15:42] <ScottK> ..
[15:42] <skaet> Thanks ScottK!   appreciate the detail.
[15:43] <skaet> any questions for ScottK?
[15:43] <skaet> [TOPIC] Edubuntu Team update - stgraber or highvoltage
[15:43] <stgraber> Hi everyone!
[15:43] <stgraber> This week we finally got rid of sabayon, pessulus and nanny as these aren't working after the switch to gtk3/dconf/...
[15:43] <stgraber> Also updated our slideshow accordingly (disabled some slides, no impact on translation).
[15:44] <stgraber> Did a last minute edubuntu-live upload to get everything translated for beta2.
[15:44] <stgraber> Other than that everything looks good for Edubuntu, looking forward to beta2.
[15:44] <stgraber> ..
[15:44] <stgraber> Questions?
[15:44] <skaet> Thanks stgraber!   sounds good.  :)
[15:44]  * skaet looks around for questions?
[15:44] <skaet> [TOPIC] Xubuntu Team update - charlie-tca
[15:44] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[15:44] <charlie-tca> here are some serious issues that we are trying to get fixed. These are the most critical bugs we are looking at:
[15:44] <charlie-tca> * #845549: Do not ship /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf - blocks Xubuntu using our own theme; should be in-work by robert_ancell and pitti
[15:45] <charlie-tca> * #847514: Convert Xubuntu CD to dh_python2 - inwork
[15:45] <charlie-tca> cjwatson briefed this one already:
[15:45] <charlie-tca> * #850172: Xubuntu Oneiric Alternate images fail to find abiword dependencies when building images - For reasons unknown, the server intermittently decides the files are missing. They have been verified as being in the right place, but the server is not accepting them. It is very erratic, and respins will sometimes work.
[15:45] <charlie-tca> Any questions?
[15:45] <charlie-tca> ..
[15:45] <skaet> Thanks charlie-tca!   will keep an eye on those 3.
[15:46] <skaet> [TOPIC] Lubuntu Team update - gilir
[15:46] <gilir> Hi :)
[15:46] <gilir> Not much to report this week.
[15:46] <skaet> :)
[15:46] <gilir> We adjusted the artwork (login + slideshow) to be ready for the final release.
[15:46] <gilir> Still working on bugs triaging, in preparation for beta 2 testing.
[15:47] <gilir> It will be the focus for next week.
[15:47] <gilir> ..
[15:47] <skaet> Thanks gilir.   Ok,  let me know off line if there are any blockers after you finish your triaging.
[15:47] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: it might not be intermittent; all the failures were in a contiguous block, it wasn't that it came and went.  So it could be fallout from the syncproxy.u.c replacement
[15:47] <cjwatson> (although I don't know how)
[15:48] <skaet> any questions for gilir?
[15:48] <charlie-tca> but we had the same fails during beta1, and respins had to be done every spin
[15:48] <cjwatson> no, you had different failures
[15:48] <charlie-tca> Oh, Okay
[15:48] <cjwatson> definitely not the same category of problem
[15:48] <cjwatson> (and we adjusted cron job timing to work around the concurrency problems that were triggering the previous failures)
[15:50] <skaet> [TOPIC] Toolchain update - slangasek
[15:50] <slangasek> a buffer overflow was found this week in the patch for multiarch handling of compiler search paths
[15:51] <slangasek> gcc-4.6 has been uploaded to fix this; there is no confirmed impact of this bug on our architectures (sheerly by luck), but better safe than sorry.  The patch itself only changes the size of a string buffer, it has no impact on the code output
[15:52] <slangasek> the other frontends / versions are in the process of being staged, and will be let into the archive as buildd time allows.  None except gcc-4.6 have any impact on the CDs, and gcc-4.6 should be built for all archs well before the start of milestone mastering.
[15:52] <slangasek> ..
[15:53] <skaet> Thanks slangasek.
[15:53] <cjwatson> gcc-4.4 has been uploaded too FWIW
[15:53] <charlie-tca> o/
[15:53] <skaet> ogasawara, ^ FYI.
[15:53] <skaet> go charlie-tca
[15:53] <ogasawara> skaet: thanks
[15:53] <charlie-tca> My day to be wrong.
[15:54] <charlie-tca> bug 847514 is done
[15:54] <charlie-tca> ..
[15:54] <cjwatson> Good; it would be getting rather late for it if it weren't :-)
[15:54] <charlie-tca> well, I got one right, anyway
[15:54] <skaet> :)
[15:55] <skaet> any questions for slangasek?
[15:55] <skaet> [TOPIC] Archive Freeze status after Beta2.
[15:55] <skaet> We have a week between beta 2 coming out and final freeze.
[15:56] <skaet> We didn't clarify earlier whether the archive would be unfrozen or not in that interval.
[15:56] <skaet> ScottK and infinity would like to keep it frozen.   Does anyone on the release team disagree?
[15:56] <ScottK> Last cycle we left it frozen and that seemed to work well.
[15:57] <cjwatson> I'm OK with it remaining frozen
[15:57] <cjwatson> it's more work but meh
[15:57] <Laney> what will the policy be for uploads?
[15:57] <skaet> uploads can happen,  but release team members will need to assess and let them through.
[15:57] <ScottK> Laney: For unseeded Universe it's push it through until Universe final freeze.
[15:57] <slangasek> I agree with ScottK and infinity; having things unfrozen before the last beta milestone and final release is risky
[15:58] <ScottK> For the rest, it's use your best judgement about risk versus benefit.
[15:58] <skaet> ok,  sounds like we have concensus then.   It will remain frozen.
[16:00] <skaet> I'll make it explicit via email to ubuntu-devel next week.
[16:00] <skaet> [TOPIC] Any other business?  - all
[16:00]  * skaet looking around for hands...
[16:00] <skaet> not seeing any..
[16:00] <ScottK> \o
[16:01] <skaet> ok, ScottK
[16:01] <ScottK> For release team members that aren't archive admins, feel free to poke me if you've reviewed something and it should be accepted.
[16:01] <ScottK> I'm usually around.
[16:01] <ScottK> ..
[16:01] <skaet> Thanks ScottK.  :)
[16:01]  * Laney usually just yells in #-release
[16:01] <ScottK> That works too
[16:02] <Laney> but ta
[16:02] <skaet> #endmeeting
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Sep 16 16:02:19 2011 UTC.
[16:02] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-09-16-15.00.moin.txt
[16:02] <skaet> Thankyou, mlegris1, Laney, ogra_, jdstrand, ogasawara, cjwatson, Daviey, fabo, rsalveti,
[16:02] <skaet> slangasek, pgraner, dbarth, ScottK,  charlie-tca,  gilir, stgraber
[16:02] <slangasek> thanks, Kate!
[16:02] <charlie-tca> skaet: You are welcome, and thank you for chairing.
[16:05] <highvoltage> and thanks to stgraber for the update while I was at French class!
[16:06] <jdstrand> thanks skaet!