| pythonirc101 | I am looking to put a machine somewhere on the web (fast and reliable network connection) so that i can control and host webpages (and applications written in python). I am in the US and would not like to pay too much for just electricity and network connectivity. Has anyone faced this problem here? Any pointers to solutions? | 00:14 |
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| warzauwynn | pythonirc101: which colocation facilities have you looked at? | 00:15 |
| warzauwynn | pythonirc101: have you looked at VPS? | 00:15 |
| pythonirc101 | i did not know about colocation , will look at VPS now | 00:16 |
| qman__ | colo is expensive | 00:16 |
| qman__ | leasing a VPS or even a dedicated server is usually much cheaper | 00:16 |
| warzauwynn | yeah, i'd only go colo if you need to have your own hardware, which is seldom the case. | 00:16 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | ^ | 00:16 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | VPS or dedicated servers are ALWAYS better because they're cheaper | 00:17 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | i'm speaking from experience there :P | 00:17 |
| pythonirc101 | what is VPS? | 00:17 |
| warzauwynn | virtual private server. | 00:17 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | virtual private server | 00:17 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | basically... | 00:17 |
| qman__ | expect a colo to cost 5-10 times more than a dedicated server | 00:17 |
| warzauwynn | "the cloud"!!!!!! OMG | 00:17 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | its a server that is run virtually off of a host node | 00:17 |
| warzauwynn | haha | 00:17 |
| pythonirc101 | how much cost am i looking at? for electricity and network cable? | 00:17 |
| qman__ | and a dedicated server to cost 10-30 times more than a VPS | 00:18 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | pythonirc101: for colo? | 00:18 |
| pythonirc101 | i dont mind getting the hardware from the provider or paying for it myself. | 00:18 |
| qman__ | at work, I'm in the process of decommissioning a colo box we pay $500/mo for | 00:18 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | electricity, networking, power, rent of space in the facility, bandwidth, etc. | 00:18 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | not to mention the actual hardware can cost horrid amounts | 00:18 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | i bought a Dell PowerEdge 2500, cost me $2500 | 00:18 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | then put that thing into colo | 00:18 |
| qman__ | you can find dedicated servers starting around $100/mo | 00:18 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | ^ | 00:19 |
| qman__ | and VPSes, depending on how reliable you need them, anywhere from $5 up | 00:19 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | ^ | 00:19 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | decent VPSes i've seen are around, what $20 - $30 a month? | 00:19 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | for reliable | 00:19 |
| qman__ | yeah | 00:19 |
| pythonirc101 | TheEvilPhoenix: how much do you pay per month to put that dell in colocation? | 00:19 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | pythonirc101: you mean how much DID I pay | 00:20 |
| qman__ | linux VPSes also tend to cost a lot less than windows ones | 00:21 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | it shifted between locations over 2 years | 00:21 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | but first place was $450/month | 00:21 |
| qman__ | some places offer the same pricing for both, but that's before you factor in 20 gigs of hard drive space wasted on windows itself | 00:21 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | second was $49.99/month with horrid uptime reliability | 00:21 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | finally said "Screw this", and cancelled the colo last week | 00:21 |
| pythonirc101 | TheEvilPhoenix: what did you do after that? | 00:21 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | the server is now en route to my nice, static ip, business class internet hookup :P | 00:22 |
| qman__ | yeah | 00:22 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | pythonirc101: i'm waiting on the server to arrive, but its going onto my nice business class internet | 00:22 |
| pythonirc101 | TheEvilPhoenix: that costs me $150 for 10mbit line/month | 00:22 |
| qman__ | in some cases it's actually cheaper to just buy a cable line and find someone who will let you store it there | 00:22 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | pythonirc101: well i have an advantage... | 00:22 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | pythonirc101: i dont run the business class internet | 00:22 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | er | 00:22 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | enterprise class, even | 00:23 |
| pythonirc101 | TheEvilPhoenix: Thats cool | 00:23 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | one of the companies i work with does | 00:23 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | and they are allowing me to set the server up there | 00:23 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | free of charge | 00:23 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | (partly because they ALREADY pay me flat-fees monthly for being on-call for when their servers explode) | 00:23 |
| qman__ | yeah | 00:24 |
| qman__ | the actual cheapest way to run a server is to know people | 00:24 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | mhm | 00:24 |
| qman__ | but the cheapest way that you can measure in dollars is VPS | 00:24 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | mhm | 00:25 |
| pythonirc101 | hmmm | 00:25 |
| pythonirc101 | I need to find someone i know who has a good internet connection and is willing to let me colocate | 00:25 |
| pythonirc101 | how does one buy fiber connections? They probably are very expensive? | 00:26 |
| pythonirc101 | I know that there is a dead server right outside my building | 00:26 |
| qman__ | another reason the cost is so high for colocation | 00:26 |
| qman__ | if you're not running the latest greatest gear, you're also wasting a lot of electricity | 00:27 |
| pythonirc101 | qman__: i dont care about electricity for now...only one machine | 00:27 |
| qman__ | it's just economy of scale on so many levels | 00:27 |
| pythonirc101 | I just want to buy a good machine and put it in a good place | 00:27 |
| qman__ | but why, exactly, do you want to do that | 00:27 |
| pythonirc101 | or buy a good ethernet connection to my building...i somehow think that will be harder to do than to colocate | 00:28 |
| qman__ | why is a VPS not good enough, and more accurately, why are 20 VPSes not as good? | 00:28 |
| qman__ | because that's about the cost difference | 00:28 |
| pythonirc101 | qman__: how much would a vps cost me? | 00:28 |
| pythonirc101 | will they give me the latest and greatest machine with SSDs on them for the right price? | 00:28 |
| qman__ | bottom end from reputable companies is $5/mo | 00:28 |
| qman__ | they go up from there | 00:28 |
| pythonirc101 | I run web apps, not just web servers | 00:28 |
| qman__ | then you probably want a dedicated server | 00:29 |
| qman__ | you can get quad core machines with plenty of RAM and disk space for $100/mo | 00:29 |
| pythonirc101 | qman__: is there a vps provider that will let me be root on ubuntu and give me a good machine? | 00:29 |
| qman__ | all of them, pretty much | 00:29 |
| pythonirc101 | any pointers? | 00:30 |
| qman__ | don't look below the $100 mark for a dedicated server | 00:30 |
| pythonirc101 | http://www.vpsguides.com/vps-hosting-comparison/ | 00:30 |
| qman__ | there are some cheaper than that but they're best avoided | 00:30 |
| qman__ | for a VPS, if you care about performance, aim $20/mo and up | 00:30 |
| pythonirc101 | 30GB disk space on most, not an option...at leave 4TB or more disk space is what i need...and that should cost $160? | 00:31 |
| qman__ | if you need that much space you'll have to pay more | 00:31 |
| qman__ | but it's not unattainable in the dedicated server space | 00:31 |
| pythonirc101 | 2x2TB drives = $200 at most today | 00:32 |
| pythonirc101 | 30GB disk space is a joke... | 00:32 |
| qman__ | you're not looking at all the angles | 00:32 |
| qman__ | to keep the price down users share hardware, that's how a VPS works | 00:32 |
| qman__ | it makes the most of the resources, and to do that, they have to limit disk space to allow for as many VPSes as the server can reasonably handle at once | 00:33 |
| qman__ | that's why more space costs more money | 00:33 |
| pythonirc101 | i see | 00:33 |
| qman__ | a VPS isn't the best choice if you have such a large data requirement, look at dedicated servers instead | 00:33 |
| pythonirc101 | qman__: or perhaps colocation | 00:34 |
| qman__ | it's not likely you'll be able to colocate cheaper than a dedicated server, even with your requirements | 00:34 |
| qman__ | unless you don't need datacenter quality accomodations and can stick it in someone's house with a comcast line | 00:34 |
| qman__ | and just to give you a sense of the market | 00:36 |
| qman__ | 4TB is _huge_ for a web server | 00:36 |
| pythonirc101 | hmmm | 00:37 |
| qman__ | nobody's going to have a 4TB 'plan', you'll have to shop with extra disk addons | 00:37 |
| pythonirc101 | i do need a colocation | 00:37 |
| qman__ | fair enough, but it's going to be expensive, no two ways around it | 00:38 |
| pythonirc101 | hmmm | 00:38 |
| qman__ | I assume that by having 4TB of data, you actually want to serve that data at a pretty high rate | 00:38 |
| qman__ | and the $500/mo rate I mentioned earlier is for 1Mbit/s averaged | 00:38 |
| pythonirc101 | unless i open up a colocation center myself and share the network bandwidth...the only expensive part is network... | 00:38 |
| pythonirc101 | And i know there is dead fiber in front of my building | 00:39 |
| pythonirc101 | its just a matter of if i can lease it... | 00:39 |
| qman__ | dead fiber is usually dead for political reasons | 00:39 |
| qman__ | not likely you'll be able to use it | 00:39 |
| pythonirc101 | you are probably right | 00:39 |
| pythonirc101 | the company owns it and wants to sit on it... | 00:39 |
| pythonirc101 | no clue why | 00:40 |
| pythonirc101 | is verizon fios reliable enough to run a server on it? | 00:40 |
| qman__ | that depends entirely on what kind of reliability you demand | 00:41 |
| qman__ | it's roughly the same as business class cable | 00:41 |
| qman__ | it's not measured in nines | 00:41 |
| pythonirc101 | hmmm | 00:42 |
| pythonirc101 | verizon is promising $100 for 25Mbps/up/down | 00:43 |
| pythonirc101 | http://smallbusiness.verizon.com/products/internet/fios/overview.aspx#plans | 00:43 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | and we all know verizon fails :P | 00:47 |
| bc | anyone seeing postgrey segault? jaunty | 01:31 |
| twb` | I'm using postgrey on lucid without problems | 01:32 |
| twb` | strace it? | 01:32 |
| bc | sorry, I was mistaken, I'm on lucid as well. | 01:32 |
| bc | twb`: I can't make any sense of this. Can you? -> http://pastebin.com/ZmGtua2t | 01:34 |
| twb` | bc: nothing obvious there | 01:35 |
| bc | twb`: I purged and reinstalled and it works. Apaprently something in the configuration file was being incorrectly handled. | 01:42 |
| bc | And apparently I can't work my hands. Keyboard. How does it work? | 01:42 |
| smoser | RoAkSoAx, your changes to orchestra look great. | 01:44 |
| twb` | bc: sorry, man, no idea | 01:48 |
| twb` | bc: if you have etckeeper installed, you can see what the differences were between working and broken config | 01:48 |
| RoAkSoAx | smoser thanks | 01:56 |
| RoAkSoAx | smoser.waiting fpr the branch to get merged into juju so i can release | 01:57 |
| T3CHKOMMIE | hey guys, i need some advice on a server setup. ive got an old P4 with HT and 3 gb of ram im thinking of putting server 10.04 lts on it and serving up a drupal site as well as hosting a minecraft server. i only have a 40 gb hdd and im trying really hard to make it as redundant as possible I was first thinking about seting up virtualbox and just doing periodic back ups of the vdi but i didnt want to waste more resources. s | 01:58 |
| T3CHKOMMIE | o i am not thinking of just installing ubuntu straight up. does anyone have any good ideas on how to keep a catastrophy to a minimum and how to quickly recover once this old dell finally eats it? | 01:58 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | T3CHKOMMIE: not running minecraft alongside anything else is a good start | 02:02 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | T3CHKOMMIE: minecraft servers require MINIMUM 2GB to run. | 02:03 |
| TheEvilPhoenix | to run effectively* | 02:03 |
| T3CHKOMMIE | TheEvilPhoenix, i have a XBMC install running all this crap right now and the mini ITX board can only support 2 gb... so im going to have to move to the P4 i was just wondering if anyone new of a way for me to keep this thing backed up up-to-the-day so that if... i mean... WHEN it crashes my site and other services will only be down for a short time... any tricks? | 02:04 |
| T3CHKOMMIE | ideally i wanted to be running all this stuff on a NICE esxi box... but alas, i dont have the $$$ for that kinda setup just yet. | 02:04 |
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| bc | twb`: no problem, all good. thanks for help | 03:25 |
| twb` | np | 03:25 |
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| koolhead11 | hi all | 05:53 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #851611 in eucalyptus (universe) "Oneiric: Upgrade to 2.0.1+bzr1256 blocks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851611 | 06:37 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #851625 in munin (main) "snmp__if plugin does not work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851625 | 06:56 |
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| jamespage | morning all | 07:53 |
| === sanderj is now known as Sander^work | ||
| ttx | Daviey: could you have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~tpatil/nova/lp782364/+merge/75259 | 09:31 |
| ttx | Daviey: if you ok with it, I'll merge it in the Essex packaging branch | 09:31 |
| ttx | Daviey: that said, we consider adding that to diablo too, since the option seems useful if you actually wants FloatingIPs to be usable | 09:31 |
| ttx | iputils-arping is in main so damage is limited, but wanted your opinion first | 09:32 |
| jamespage | Daviey, SpamapS: do we now have a working eucalyptus in universe? | 09:43 |
| Daviey | jamespage: seems so, testing would help.. :) | 09:48 |
| Daviey | ttx: looking | 09:48 |
| jamespage | Daviey: right - I need to test it for a proposed upgrade to libasm3-java to support a late FFE for eclipse 3.7 | 09:49 |
| jamespage | Daviey: I've never actually installed it from anywhere other than the ISO - where do I find instructions | 09:49 |
| jamespage | (and good morning BTW) | 09:49 |
| Daviey | morning. | 09:49 |
| Daviey | jamespage: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/PackageInstall | 09:50 |
| jamespage | ta | 09:50 |
| jamespage | fmd | 09:51 |
| Daviey | ttx: landing in the Essex branch is no problem.. if it's going to be backported to Diablo, then it looks OK.. and not even enabled by default. | 09:54 |
| ttx | yep | 09:54 |
| ttx | ok, I'll make it happen | 09:55 |
| Daviey | make it so. | 09:59 |
| soren | http://bit.ly/nzpN73 | 10:00 |
| * jamespage restarts his install | 10:05 | |
| jamespage | network installs don't like it when the power goes off | 10:06 |
| phretor | is it possible that upgrading from 10.10 server "automagically" installed XEN and spontaneously configured GRUB to boot from a DOM0 that I haven't obviously configured (not being aware of it)? | 10:46 |
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| jamespage | Daviey: hmm it was reticent to startup without a kick | 10:53 |
| Daviey | jamespage: what sort of kick? | 10:54 |
| jamespage | Daviey: its hanging during startup - "wget -q -T10 -t1 -O- --no-check-certificate https://192.168.1.52:8443/register" | 10:55 |
| jamespage | during initial configuration | 10:55 |
| Daviey | hmm | 10:56 |
| jamespage | I think its when the various components try to "restart eucalyptus" in postinst | 10:56 |
| Daviey | this happend once before.. | 10:56 |
| jamespage | I can't get a response from https://192.168.1.52:8443/register either | 10:59 |
| jamespage | Daviey: any pointers on that one | 11:03 |
| Daviey | jamespage: Honestly, i cannot remember.. I think one of the components didn't quite start properly. | 11:05 |
| Daviey | I'm sorry i'm not being more help. | 11:05 |
| jamespage | Sounds a bit like bug 503180 | 11:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 503180 in eucalyptus "[SRU] eucalyptus-cloud doesn't reply to requests (eucalyptus doesn't work after reboot or services restart issues due to upstart networking behavior)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503180 | 11:05 |
| Daviey | Hmm | 11:06 |
| jamespage | but I don't think its the same issue | 11:06 |
| Daviey | not sure it is, but could well be | 11:06 |
| jamespage | Daviey: it gets there in the end by waits for 60 x 10 seconds before giving up | 11:12 |
| Daviey | jamespage: Hmm.. maybe best to defer it and speak with upstream later on today. | 11:14 |
| jamespage | Daviey: hmm - odd that I can get that URL using chromium from my laptop | 11:40 |
| jamespage | but not using wget or curl | 11:40 |
| Daviey | jamespage: wait, it doesn't working by using curl on your laptop? | 11:43 |
| Daviey | or just not from the dev box, accessing localhost? | 11:43 |
| jamespage | either - I get the same thing from curl on both the euca install - localhost - or remotely | 11:44 |
| jamespage | works OK in firefox as well | 11:44 |
| jamespage | * SSLv3, TLS handshake, Client hello (1): | 11:44 |
| jamespage | * Unknown SSL protocol error in connection to 192.168.1.52:8443 | 11:44 |
| jamespage | * Closing connection #0 | 11:44 |
| jamespage | curl: (35) Unknown SSL protocol error in connection to 192.168.1.52:8443 | 11:44 |
| jamespage | hmm - I don't think this is actually euca | 11:46 |
| jamespage | Daviey: ^^ - if I run the wget command from a natty chroot - it works just fine | 11:46 |
| jamespage | but not from oneiric | 11:47 |
| Daviey | jamespage: ahhhhh | 11:48 |
| Daviey | We dropped SSLv2 support this cycle... i wonder if it is that? | 11:48 |
| Daviey | 12:44 < jamespage> * SSLv3, <-- bah | 11:48 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #829234 in socat (universe) "[MIR] socat" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/829234 | 11:51 |
| jamespage | Its using SSLv3 | 11:53 |
| * jamespage scratches his head | 11:55 | |
| jamespage | Daviey: ignore my natty observation - think that was red herring | 11:58 |
| jamespage | but it did work - think that euca just unfroze or something | 11:58 |
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| Goatesper | i setup my login. i see it. but i cannot be accepted? | 12:12 |
| Goatesper | http://i.imgur.com/J9DdG.png | 12:12 |
| Goatesper | i also did ubuntu-prosper | 12:13 |
| Goatesper | wtf. where is the ubuntu serverh andbook | 12:14 |
| Pici | !serverguide | Goatesper | 12:17 |
| ubottu | Goatesper: The Ubuntu server guide may be found at http://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/ | 12:17 |
| Goatesper | i see. i did admin-prosper | 12:17 |
| Goatesper | that was the minor difference | 12:17 |
| Goatesper | 10.04 is same as 11.04? | 12:17 |
| Goatesper | -bookmark | 12:18 |
| Pici | Goatesper: No, but 10.04 is... | 12:18 |
| Pici | meh. | 12:18 |
| jamespage | SpamapS, give me a ping when you start today please | 12:35 |
| jamespage | trying to verify that euca might just be usable in oneiric | 12:36 |
| Daviey | jamespage: SpamapS is the new expert for euca btw :) | 12:37 |
| jamespage | really? how interesting | 12:37 |
| jamespage | I saw he applied the upstream patch yesterday | 12:37 |
| Daviey | jamespage: Yeah, that made it his problem :) | 12:38 |
| jamespage | hehe | 12:39 |
| zul | morning | 12:49 |
| zul | sucks to be him :) | 12:49 |
| Daviey | afternoon zul | 12:49 |
| ttx | Daviey: sounds like a blame. | 12:50 |
| zul | Daviey: no its morning | 12:50 |
| rbasak | What's the preferred API entry point to have Python API access to openstack? euca2ools.commands? boto? | 12:54 |
| zul | depends on what you want to do | 12:54 |
| rbasak | I want API access to stuff like euca-run-instances | 12:55 |
| zul | boto | 12:55 |
| rbasak | OK cool, thanks | 12:55 |
| jamespage | +1 on boto | 12:55 |
| * rbasak is familiar with boto already, so that's convenient :) | 12:55 | |
| Daviey | rbasak: if you need concurrency, use txAWS. | 13:04 |
| Daviey | .. which i am still trying to get my head around | 13:04 |
| zul | ive seen problems with txaws against openstack though | 13:07 |
| Daviey | zul: oh? Where? | 13:08 |
| zul | with ensem...i mean juju | 13:08 |
| Daviey | zul: I think SpamapS fixed that yesterday | 13:09 |
| zul | probably | 13:09 |
| vstepanov | hi | 13:37 |
| vstepanov | does anybody know about posibilities to enable hugepages in EC2 cloud? | 13:38 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #851900 in eucalyptus (universe) "Eucalyptus slow to startup with broken connections to :8443/register" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851900 | 13:57 |
| smoser | Daviey, around ? | 14:05 |
| Daviey | smoser: no. | 14:06 |
| Daviey | err, yes | 14:06 |
| smoser | so... | 14:07 |
| smoser | nova | 14:07 |
| smoser | what is the plan for nova and beta ? | 14:07 |
| smoser | are we expecting an upload prior to? | 14:07 |
| Daviey | smoser: as in a new snapshot? | 14:07 |
| smoser | yeah | 14:07 |
| Daviey | yah | 14:07 |
| smoser | k | 14:07 |
| zul | im uploading a version as we speak | 14:07 |
| Daviey | zul i believe is driving that | 14:07 |
| smoser | ah. | 14:07 |
| smoser | well. | 14:07 |
| smoser | i'd like to ask for one on tuesday | 14:07 |
| smoser | :) | 14:07 |
| zul | why tuesday? | 14:08 |
| smoser | cause thats later than today | 14:08 |
| zul | nova releases on thursday | 14:08 |
| smoser | we release on thursday, so thats too late | 14:08 |
| smoser | :) | 14:08 |
| zul | ok i can do one on tuesday as well | 14:08 |
| smoser | http://paste.ubuntu.com/690824/ | 14:09 |
| Daviey | zul: can you include bug numbers for bugs with a ubuntu task? | 14:09 |
| smoser | thats the list of stuff that i'm racing to get in. | 14:09 |
| Daviey | smoser: you are a rock star | 14:10 |
| smoser | if someone wants to write some python code to say "is this qcow image compressed" , that would rock | 14:10 |
| zul | smoser: jeebus | 14:10 |
| smoser | anyone ? | 14:10 |
| smoser | bueler ? | 14:10 |
| zul | smoser: heh ok...i have at least one fix to get in as well | 14:11 |
| Daviey | smoser: can you produce two small qcow files? | 14:11 |
| smoser | you mean for you to test with ? Daviey ? | 14:13 |
| smoser | yeah, its easy | 14:13 |
| Daviey | smoser: yah | 14:13 |
| smoser | truncate --size 100M my-raw.img | 14:15 |
| smoser | mkfs.ext3 -L himom my-raw.img -F | 14:15 |
| smoser | qemu-img convert my-raw.img -O qcow2 my-qcow2.img | 14:15 |
| smoser | qemu-img convert my-raw.img -O qcow2 -c my-qcow2-compressed.img | 14:15 |
| smoser | $ ls -l my-*.img | 14:16 |
| smoser | -rw-r--r-- 1 smoser smoser 344576 2011-09-16 10:15 my-qcow2-compressed.img | 14:16 |
| smoser | -rw-r--r-- 1 smoser smoser 3014656 2011-09-16 10:15 my-qcow2.img | 14:16 |
| smoser | -rw-rw-r-- 1 smoser smoser 104857600 2011-09-16 10:15 my-raw.img | 14:16 |
| smoser | i can give you some logs of conversation i had in #kvm also regarding it. | 14:16 |
| Daviey | smoser: fancy dropping it all in a mail? | 14:16 |
| Daviey | easier for me to put it together. :) | 14:16 |
| smoser | sure. | 14:17 |
| Daviey | ta | 14:17 |
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| smoser | Daviey, http://paste.ubuntu.com/690838/ | 14:21 |
| smoser | if you want to mail that to yourself, go ahead. | 14:22 |
| RoAkSoAx | Daviey smoser adam_g zul kirkland FYI, I'm changing everything that says ensemble to juju in Orchestra that will be released later today | 15:00 |
| zul | ack | 15:01 |
| RoAkSoAx | so if something breaks just let me know ;) | 15:01 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #851963 in vsftpd (main) "vsftpd with likewise-open doesnt create directory on login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851963 | 15:01 |
| kirkland | RoAkSoAx: good luck | 15:02 |
| Daviey | RoAkSoAx: rocking | 15:03 |
| === med_out is now known as medberry | ||
| Daviey | jamespage / zul: bug 825670 fix has landed in oneiric now? | 15:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 825670 in swift "python-swift: remove the user on purge" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/825670 | 15:26 |
| zul | Daviey: it should have yes | 15:27 |
| Daviey | zul: Are you working on bug 802402? | 15:27 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 802402 in image-store-proxy "convert to dh_python2" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/802402 | 15:27 |
| zul | Daviey: no i havent i can figure that out now | 15:27 |
| * Daviey eats | 15:29 | |
| * RoAkSoAx hungry | 15:30 | |
| genii-around | It is possible to classify vlan traffic with u32 ? | 15:34 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #825670 in swift (main) "python-swift: remove the user on purge" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/825670 | 15:36 |
| hallyn | smoser: SpamapS: so should libvirt-bin switch from starting on 'stopped networking RESULT=ok' to using static-network-up? | 15:46 |
| hallyn | I'm thinking it needs to. And I'm not sure what we do about SRU for that (since static-network-up doesn't exist in natty and earlier) | 15:47 |
| just-a-visitor | genii-around: see http://brownian.org.ua/?p=189&langswitch_lang=en if it applies to your problem | 15:51 |
| genii-around | just-a-visitor: Reading, thanks | 15:52 |
| hallyn | no, wait | 15:53 |
| hallyn | I think from oneiric onward we can drop that from libvirt | 15:53 |
| hallyn | bc it starts on runlevel, but rc-sysinit starts on static-network-up, so libvirt will now automaticlaly wait for all netdevs to be up? | 15:54 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: jhunt: ^ | 15:54 |
| jamespage | Daviey: whos the best person to talk to upstream from euca? | 16:03 |
| magicblaze007 | I've a machine at home and would like to run apache from here (dynamic ip). Does anyone know to point my dns to this apache box? I guess i'll have to do port forwarding...I use zoneedit for dns for now. | 16:10 |
| magicblaze007 | I guess I'll try to use ddclient | 16:14 |
| SpamapS | hallyn: +1 thats what I would like to see from most daemons.. 'start on runlevel [2345]' | 16:15 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: ok, i opened bug 852000 for that. | 16:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 852000 in libvirt "libvirt no longer needs to start on stopped networking" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/852000 | 16:16 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: but we missed freeze. not sure we can sneak something like this in for o at all any more? | 16:16 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #852000 in libvirt (main) "libvirt no longer needs to start on stopped networking" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/852000 | 16:17 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: so is there any way that static-network-up will get SRUd? | 16:18 |
| SpamapS | hallyn: the event, maybe, the rc-sysinit change, never. | 16:19 |
| hallyn | the event would be ok, then libvirt could start on that | 16:19 |
| hallyn | bc start on stopped networking is insufficient | 16:20 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: was all the work for static-network-up contained within the ifupdown package? | 16:22 |
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| Daviey | jamespage: grazino | 16:24 |
| SpamapS | hallyn: no, upstart has the failsafe and rc-sysinit changes | 16:27 |
| SpamapS | hallyn: the event though, yes, is self contained in ifupdown | 16:27 |
| SpamapS | jamespage: you rang? | 16:28 |
| jamespage | SpamapS: hey - yes | 16:28 |
| jamespage | although I may have answered by question since | 16:28 |
| jamespage | I wanted to check what testing you did of the eucalyptus upload yesterday | 16:29 |
| jamespage | I've been testing today and its distinctly unhappy | 16:29 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: is the failsafe change to work around the rc-sysinit change? I.e. if we don't have rc-sysinit change but we have static-net-up we don't need the failsafe, right? | 16:29 |
| jamespage | its not your upload BTW | 16:30 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: ok, full disclosure :) are you already planning on doing the static-net-up fix for lucid 10.04.4 for bug 580319 ? | 16:34 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 580319 in upstart "init.d controlled services launch before all interfaces are up, thus failing to start" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/580319 | 16:34 |
| hallyn | All right I think I have to take a stab at it | 16:42 |
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| SpamapS | hallyn: I don't think we're going to be able to SRU that. Its a massive change in behavior. | 16:48 |
| SpamapS | jamespage: I smoke tested euca.. started it up, was able to login to the clc .. did a couple of reboots.. not much else | 16:49 |
| jamespage | SpamapS, hrm - interesting | 16:49 |
| jamespage | SpamapS: I'm hitting this issue - and so is TeTeT during upgrades | 16:50 |
| jamespage | wget can't talk to the clc over http://xxx:8443 | 16:50 |
| jamespage | chromium and firefox can | 16:50 |
| jamespage | bug 851900 | 16:51 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 851900 in eucalyptus "Eucalyptus slow to startup with broken connections to :8443/register" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851900 | 16:51 |
| Daviey | jamespage: this is wget on both localhost and your laptop? | 16:52 |
| jamespage | Daviey: yep | 16:53 |
| jamespage | sometimes you get no reponse, sometimes a partial and sometime full | 16:53 |
| jamespage | but most times no response | 16:53 |
| Daviey | jamespage: i wonder if this is a bridge issue? | 16:54 |
| Daviey | maybe X based browsers are more aggresive in trying? | 16:54 |
| jamespage | Daviey: same issue on localhost | 16:54 |
| jamespage | I did sniff the network packets - they looked OK | 16:55 |
| === lullabud is now known as warzauwynn | ||
| Daviey | jamespage: Yeah, but does that actually use lo directly? | 16:55 |
| jamespage | i.e. no unexpected RST's etc... | 16:55 |
| Daviey | hmm. | 16:55 |
| jamespage | Daviey: I think so | 16:55 |
| warzauwynn | how do you control which TTY is selected when the system boots up? one of my machines is always going to a blank tty, no clue why. | 17:02 |
| SpamapS | warzauwynn: vt.handoff=# | 17:03 |
| SpamapS | warzauwynn: in the kernel args in grub | 17:03 |
| warzauwynn | w00t, thanks | 17:03 |
| Daviey | SpamapS: Is juju naming transition complete? | 17:04 |
| SpamapS | Daviey: trunk has been renamed | 17:04 |
| SpamapS | Daviey: I'm preparing a FFe for the renaming of the binary packages and such, to also be timed with landing a couple other things we already planned to land late. | 17:04 |
| smoser | hallyn, surely we're allowed to fix bugs still | 17:06 |
| smoser | (regarding "SpamapS: but we missed freeze. not sure we can sneak something like this in for o at all any more?") | 17:06 |
| jamespage | Daviey: I subscribed graziano to the bug report and requested some help | 17:07 |
| hallyn | smoser: which one is that in referecne to? | 17:10 |
| hallyn | smoser: the oneiric one is just a cleanup - no misbehavior without it | 17:11 |
| hallyn | smoser: the other stuff is only for natty and earlier | 17:11 |
| smoser | oh. i thought you were saying for oneiric. | 17:11 |
| smoser | we've long missed "freeze" for natty | 17:11 |
| smoser | i think that was about 6 months ago | 17:11 |
| * RoAkSoAx will be back in an hour | 17:14 | |
| hallyn | smoser: i must have missed that email | 17:15 |
| hallyn | j/k | 17:15 |
| warzauwynn | SpamapS: weird, changing the TTY didn't help… whenever i boot up, regardless of which TTY is selected it always starts with a blank window. I have to switch away and back to get any text to display on that tty. any ideas? | 17:15 |
| hallyn | smoser: do you think that this part; | 17:16 |
| hallyn | * invoke dhclient3 with '-1', meaning it should exit failure if it does | 17:16 |
| hallyn | not receive a response in 60 seconds. (LP: #838968) | 17:16 |
| SpamapS | warzauwynn: no, that is weird. What release? | 17:16 |
| hallyn | should be part of an SRU for static-network-up? | 17:16 |
| warzauwynn | it's 11.04, been upgraded through at least one version of 10, maybe starting at 9. | 17:17 |
| warzauwynn | it's been a problem for a while and i've always just dealt with it… | 17:17 |
| warzauwynn | not like it's a huge problem either, just kinda odd. | 17:17 |
| smoser | hallyn, i would think you should not do that. | 17:18 |
| hallyn | smoser: ok | 17:18 |
| SpamapS | yeah thats not going to work out | 17:18 |
| SpamapS | Too much behavior change. | 17:18 |
| smoser | and unfortunately, that, static-network-up is not really going to work | 17:18 |
| hallyn | smoser: why? | 17:18 |
| smoser | s/, that,/without that/ | 17:18 |
| smoser | because thats what makes static-network-up wait for all network devices to be up | 17:19 |
| smoser | previously ifup did not wait | 17:19 |
| smoser | it just waited for 60 seconds and then went on with life, pretending it did it | 17:19 |
| hallyn | well, | 17:19 |
| hallyn | as far as libvirt is concerned i think that's fine | 17:19 |
| smoser | i think introducing static-network-up without that is just asking for issues. | 17:19 |
| hallyn | if your networking hasn't come up after 60 seconds, then you have probelms anyway | 17:19 |
| hallyn | right now autostart VMs fail. Making it so only ppl with bad setups have problems seems an improvement to me. | 17:20 |
| smoser | maybe. | 17:23 |
| smoser | even probably | 17:24 |
| hallyn | smoser: i'm going to try out lp:~serge-hallyn/ubuntu/natty/ifupdown/static-net-up | 17:26 |
| i0n | anyone know/have of a apache2.2.22 package? | 17:36 |
| SpamapS | smoser: what hallyn is saying makes sense. Waiting 60 seconds for something to happen might be better in the general case. | 17:41 |
| SpamapS | That said.. | 17:41 |
| SpamapS | 11.10 is out in a month.. | 17:42 |
| SpamapS | 12.04 out in 7 months.. | 17:42 |
| SpamapS | There are workarounds to the issues.. | 17:42 |
| smoser | does lucid have this problem ? | 17:42 |
| SpamapS | yes | 17:42 |
| SpamapS | 9.10 introduced it | 17:42 |
| smoser | its valid to find *a* fix for 10.04 | 17:42 |
| SpamapS | when we stopped waiting for all interfaces to be up on boot | 17:42 |
| smoser | 11.10 is 'meh' | 17:42 |
| smoser | lts and libvirt not working is embarrasing | 17:43 |
| SpamapS | Way more than libvirt is broken | 17:43 |
| SpamapS | *anything* that binds to an interface | 17:43 |
| SpamapS | smoser: what bug did I say we missed freeze on? | 17:48 |
| smoser | you didnt. | 17:48 |
| smoser | hallyn, did | 17:49 |
| SpamapS | Oh ok | 17:49 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: hm, 'start: Unknown parameter: JOB | 17:55 |
| SpamapS | hallyn: who when? | 17:56 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: when reinstalling ifupdown on natty | 17:58 |
| hallyn | from network-interface-security.conf | 17:58 |
| SpamapS | hallyn: sorry I'm not sure what that means.. have to step away for a few minutes.. will ping when I return | 17:59 |
| hallyn | ok | 18:00 |
| kees | hallyn: that would imply upstart has regressed? | 18:03 |
| hallyn | kees: i don't know, i need to reproduce and make sure i'm not responsible | 18:03 |
| kees | the use of JOB stuff in network-interface-security.conf is from me, but it really should work fine in natty | 18:05 |
| kees | hallyn: is it disk corruption? what does the file look like? JOB is only part of the "instance" line .. | 18:05 |
| hallyn | no, it's not me | 18:09 |
| hallyn | apt-get install --reinstall ifupdown in natty gives that line | 18:09 |
| hallyn | kees: yes, it doesn't do it in oneiric, so it must be an upstart difference | 18:10 |
| kees | hallyn: can you pastebin your network-interface-security.conf file somewhere? it works for me in natty | 18:15 |
| kees | well, it works for everyone but you in natty. ;) | 18:15 |
| hallyn | kees: apt-get install --reinstall ifupdown didn't do it for you? | 18:16 |
| hallyn | it was a fresh, newly created, up to date natty vm | 18:16 |
| hallyn | i'll recreate again | 18:16 |
| magicblaze007 | is anyone using ddclient of ipcheck here? | 18:17 |
| kees | hallyn: can you pastebin your file? | 18:18 |
| hallyn | kees: not until the vm is recreated | 18:18 |
| kees | oh heh | 18:18 |
| hallyn | kees: http://paste.ubuntu.com/691011/ | 18:19 |
| hallyn | kees: http://paste.ubuntu.com/691012/ that is the error msg | 18:20 |
| kees | how strange. but everything still works, right? | 18:21 |
| hallyn | yeah | 18:21 |
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| internalkernel | Im using rsync to create incremental backups, how can I remove the duplicate (i.e. unchanged) files from a snapshot? I want to prune all the files that are duplicates, and tar ball only the changed files... | 20:15 |
| internalkernel | I haven't seen an easy way to do this yet, does anyone have suggestions? | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | internalkernel: tar has a --newer path/to/a/file | 20:26 |
| internalkernel | hmmmm.... SpamapS thanks I'll look into that... I hadn't thought of using tar directly, I was still trying to make rsync do it... :) | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | internalkernel: not sure what exactly you want rsync to do. | 20:31 |
| === lullabud is now known as warzauwynn | ||
| internalkernel | SpamapS: Maybe I was mistaken, but I thought I had read somewhere that rsync's --remove-source-files option could have been tailored to remove duplicates between two directories | 20:33 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #850196 in euca2ools "euca-describe-images crashed with GetoptError in long_has_args(): option --owner-id not recognized" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/850196 | 20:36 |
| m_3 | internalkernel: find has a -newer option too | 20:41 |
| marko_ | [13:53] <marko_> am hoping to try out El Diablo on Oneiric [13:53] <marko_> would like to understand how best to layout my server [13:53] <marko_> i have a HP system i can devote to this [13:54] <marko_> can either have raid0 with 146 GB and RAID5 with about 400 GB [13:54] <marko_> or can move a couple drives and make RAID0 have 72 GB and more for RAID5 [13:55] <marko_> also, curious if i should install ESXi first, then create | 21:00 |
| marko_ | sorry bout that | 21:00 |
| marko_ | i composed a big note and tried to copy paste.. not too clear i'm afraid | 21:00 |
| marktma | am hoping to try out El Diablo on Oneiric. would like to understand how best to layout my server. i have a HP system i can devote to this Can either have raid0 with 146 GB and RAID5 with about 400 GB or can move a couple drives and make RAID0 have 72 GB and more for RAID5 Also, curious if i should install ESXi first, then create the ElDiablo server for OpenStack or just go on bare metal with Oneiric | 21:06 |
| marktma | i guess knowing that OpenStack mimics EC2, am curious if i need to configure for S3 as well, or just EC2 | 21:07 |
| marktma | is this the right place to ask about ElDiablo? | 21:10 |
| marktma | or should i go somewhere else?.. like a bull riding IRC channel? | 21:11 |
| Wild_ | Hey, I need to make a new account, that only has access to /var/www (to edit the website) via SFTP or FTP, what do I do? (and yes, I googled it) | 22:28 |
| Wild_ | anyone there? | 22:35 |
| Wild_ | ANYONE HERE? | 22:36 |
| SpamapS | Wild_: I like 'scponly' for that | 22:43 |
| Wild_ | wow an asnwer | 22:44 |
| Wild_ | lol | 22:44 |
| Wild_ | what is that? | 22:44 |
| Wild_ | a package? | 22:44 |
| SpamapS | Wild_: yeah | 22:44 |
| Wild_ | What does it do? | 22:44 |
| scubes13 | anyone around using SoGo authenticating against AD and connecting to extermal IMAP server? I have been googling and cant find any walk thru or example that I can follow | 22:50 |
| SpamapS | scponly - Restricts the commands available to scp- and sftp-users | 22:53 |
| SpamapS | Wild_: ^^ | 22:53 |
| Wild_ | I have no clue how to set that up | 22:54 |
| Wild_ | I just have to use a free host I guess :/ | 22:54 |
| SpamapS | Wild_: well it does have a manual. | 22:56 |
| SpamapS | Wild_: the steps largely involve "install it... create a user... chsh -s /usr/bin/scponly username" | 22:57 |
| SpamapS | Wild_: an additional step may be to change the web server configuration so it reads its files from their home dir. | 22:57 |
| jj995_ | I'm using systemimager to try to copy one system to another, and now my /boot directory is empty -- this system will no longer boot with kernel images in /boot, right? | 23:17 |
| jj995_ | s/with kernel/without kernel | 23:18 |
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