[00:02] <nucc1> anyone bought a pc from linux emporium before? i'm looking at the shuttle, and i wanna know if i can extend it for a dual-head setup
[00:03] <nucc1> scratch that. it seems it has a pci-e slot.
[00:03] <nucc1> just need an apt GPU.
[00:50] <justinBUJITSUBRO> good night yall can anyone know how to find the back door to a eMachines bios: V3.07
[00:51] <justinBUJITSUBRO> i have forgoten my password
[00:51] <justinBUJITSUBRO> i wrote when i bought it
[00:53] <justinBUJITSUBRO> ok cyall
[01:49] <Catbuskris> hi guys does anyone know the path analogous to /dev/video0 for audio?
[01:50] <Catbuskris> /dev/audio0 doesn't exist. i know it has something to do with pulseaudio but i don't know what to write for the path :(
[01:53] <Catbuskris> update: you prefix your command with padsp and it makes /dev/dsp work.
[01:53] <Catbuskris> thanks guys
[01:53] <Catbuskris> :D
[06:39] <czajkowski> *yawns*
[06:40] <czajkowski> morning
[06:43] <AlanBell> morning
[06:47] <czajkowski> AlanBell: hey hows you
[07:12] <diplo> Morning all
[07:27] <Knightwise> Morning
[08:02] <andylockran> Morning.
[08:27] <oimon> anyone got notify messages working for thunderbird 6? the extension is broken now :(
[08:34] <j0nr> morning
[08:34] <diplo> oimon: I got so fed up with TB and cpu usage and plugin issues I've just moved to Evolution now
[08:34] <diplo> :/
[08:34] <j0nr> I need a brain to pick about bash scripting
[08:34] <oimon> diplo: evolution crashed every day for a year on me
[08:35] <diplo> Oh :/
[08:35] <oimon> tb is using 0 cpu
[08:35] <diplo> Works for me, but only moved yesterday so we will see, but my colleague moved a couple of weeks ago and has been fine
[08:35] <diplo> really..
[08:35] <popey> \o/ webmail
[08:35] <popey> Good morning also
[08:36] <diplo> Mine kills my machine, debating about a reinstall anyhoo
[08:36] <diplo> Use webmail for most of my services apart from work
[08:36] <andylockran> hey guys - got an old intrepid box.. using a ppd file for a Zebra printer and it doesn't work - on later versions of cups (natty) it works fine
[08:37] <andylockran> any ideas whether it'll be tied to a cups version?
[09:14] <drussell> andylockran: it shouldn't be tied... but it's easy enough to backup the PPD and try it
[09:16] <andylockran> drussell: I'm using a custom ppd that I've modified
[09:17] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, team!
[09:22] <czajkowski> mother of god NZ is killing Japan
[09:23] <kirrus> I'm missing something here... there isn't a war on between NZ and Japan, right?
[09:23] <kirrus> ;)
[09:24] <BigRedS> If czajkowski is talking about it, it's either rugby or ubuntu, and that doesn't sound a lot like ubuntu :)
[09:24] <kirrus> Ahh, Rugby.
[09:24] <kirrus> 1009: RUGBY UNION - Hosts New Zealand are now 52-0 up against Japan in their second match of the World Cup, having scored six tries in the first half. More than 25 minutes left.
[09:24] <kirrus> That is pretty embarassing for Japan...
[09:25] <czajkowski> 69 - 7
[09:25] <gord> well its not really a big sport there
[09:29] <czajkowski> BigRedS: ahh you do know me
[09:29] <czajkowski> gord: no bickies for you smart arse
[09:30] <kirrus> czajkowski: to be fair, it's not a big sport here (England) either. ;)
[09:32] <czajkowski> kirrus: go to the naughty step
[09:32]  * kirrus slinks off tail between legs
[09:33] <andylockran> czajkowski: Japan have had some pretty nice backs moves though
[09:33] <andylockran> unlucky on the forward pass by their prop a second ago
[09:49] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:50] <Pernig> morning brobostigon
[09:50] <brobostigon> morning Pernig
[09:55]  * Laney wibbles
[09:58] <kirrus> Why are you wibbling, Laney?
[09:58] <Laney> made of jelly
[10:00]  * oimon is having fun with ruby on rails apps :(
[10:01] <davmor2> oimon: I read that as rugby on rails I blame czajkowski for that though all her talk of rugby all the time :D
[10:01]  * BigRedS sympathises with oimon 
[10:02]  * oimon wishes there was a #ubuntu-rugby group
[10:02] <BigRedS> I do think 'having fun' as a euphemism for 'not enjoying myself' is stretched rather far when applied to anything ruby related
[10:02] <kirrus> For those using a non-free O.S, Portal is free atm: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/09/16/portal-free/
[10:02] <oimon> yeah, rails app + passenger + ssl
[10:02] <oimon> i think it's working now
[10:02] <oimon> now i know why people buys apps instead :)
[10:04]  * oimon must remember to use the toilet before announcing a time window for a service to be down for maintenance :-\
[10:05] <hamitron> :D
[10:05] <davmor2> MooDoo: you online yet you slacker
[10:08] <Pernig> thanks kirrus
[10:10]  * czajkowski stabs davmor2 and MooDoo 
[10:10] <directhex> oimon, ruby on rails is a kids' framework, for people running "servers" on old pentium 3 boxes in their bedrooms and who *never* need to deploy properly
[10:10] <directhex> i can't think of another reason for the dreadful design of the thing
[10:10] <hamitron> what is wrong with pentium 3? ;/
[10:12] <popey> heh
[10:12] <popey> secondary Morning btw
[10:14] <BigRedS> hamitron: yeah, apart from RoR I can't see anything wrong with directhex's scenario...
[10:14] <directhex> undeployable software has no reason for existing
[10:15] <BigRedS> the thrill of the challenge!
[10:16] <kirrus> Gentoo exists for that challenge...
[10:16] <davmor2> czajkowski: you leave MooDoo out of it he happily off being a dad again, no excuse to deaf out his mates obviously but ha ho
[10:18] <oimon> although now it's running it's pretty stable
[10:19] <oimon> although my puppet dashboard sucks as it's running on webbrick
[10:19] <oimon> can't be bothered to spend a day fixing that
[10:57]  * kirrus rants about customers ranting about our 'terrible' support when they refuse to contact us to.. ask for support.
[10:59] <Laney> ugh, international travel
[11:00] <hamitron> how can you rescan all usb devices?
[11:01] <hamitron> I unplugged a hdd, and want to plug it back in, but it isn't detecting it
[11:01] <hamitron> :/
[11:02] <Pernig> is it not detecting it at all, or is it just not mounting?
[11:02] <hamitron> nothing in dmesg
[11:02] <Pernig> showing up when you use lsusb?
[11:02] <brobostigon> lsusb doesnt show it?
[11:03] <hamitron> no
[11:03] <Pernig> sometimes when i unplug something then plug it back in in ubuntu
[11:03] <Pernig> usually after 'safely removing' it
[11:04] <Pernig> i have to plug it into a different port for it to show up again
[11:04] <hamitron> that isn't really an option here
[11:04] <hamitron> :/
[11:05] <hamitron> I guess I could move my desk to get to the back
[11:05] <hamitron> but easier to reboot
[11:05] <hamitron> so was wondering if there is a way in the software, to avoid this
[11:07] <Pernig> depending on the device, i think using eject rather than safely remove might help
[11:08] <Pernig> that's what i use for my card reader (the device i have this problem with)
[11:08] <hamitron> ok, will try that
[11:09] <brobostigon> Pernig: so one option uses unmount and the other eject ?
[11:11] <Pernig> brobostigon: i'm not sure on the backend of it, but i think safely remove unmounts then cuts the device off completely (if the device allows)
[11:11] <Pernig> whereas eject just unmounts, say if you have a card reader and you want to remove a card to replace with another later
[11:11] <hamitron> well, i did unplug it
[11:11] <hamitron> :/
[11:12] <hamitron> just won't re-detect when plugged back in
[11:12] <Pernig> hamitron: i know what you mean, the device seems to 'stay off' when plugged back in
[11:12] <hamitron> it is a usb hard drive
[11:12] <brobostigon> Pernig: hmmm, interesting, more reserach required.
[11:13] <Pernig> out of interest, does get its power from USB?
[11:13] <hamitron> no, it has its own power
[11:14] <hamitron> I did read about there been some problem
[11:15] <Pernig> i think even if there is no bug, the options are a little ambiguous and could do with being addressed
[11:15] <hamitron> and someone said unloading the ehci_hcd on a slackware install, to fix it
[11:16] <hamitron> the kernel module I mean
[11:17] <hamitron> [ 3116.036203] usb 1-3.1: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8
[11:17] <Pernig> got to dash, back later
[11:17] <hamitron> laters :)
[11:37] <gord> amazon prime is nice, but sometimes i feel silly for the big delivery truck coming tom my house to deliver one roll of tape that i needed but was too busy to nip out to the shop
[11:39] <davmor2> gord: hahaha
[11:51] <Myrtti> on a grim subject, what is the protocol with the cards etc. sent to funeral directors, are they read aloud at the service?
[11:52] <Myrtti> I know they are in Finland but how about UK?
[11:52] <DJones> Myrtti: I think it would depend on who was taking the funeral
[11:52] <Myrtti> hm?
[11:53] <DJones> Some vicars may read some out, or maybe somebody who knew the person might read some out as part of the euology
[11:54] <Myrtti> ok, thats what I thought
[11:55] <DJones> From the funerals were I've been involved as the stand in verger, I wouldn't say it was common practise though
[11:56] <Myrtti> a friend who I knew through FLOSS circles suddenly died on Tuesday and ordered a Moonpig card, I know it's hard on the family and feeling there are more shoulders carrying the weight is comforting
[11:56] <Myrtti> s/ordered/I ordered/
[11:57] <Myrtti> just didnt know about the protocol, but anyway, thanks
[11:57] <DJones> You're welcome
[13:24] <aptanet_> hmm, minimised xchat to the tray in unity and it has vanished, now way to get back to it even though it is clearly still running
[13:25] <oly> lol, my xchat some times runs with the icon in the unity bar but you can not gain focus :p
[13:26] <aptanet_> I've had to start a new instance
[13:26] <aptanet_> I'm trying to decide whether to try to work out how to retrieve the other one, or simply kill it
[13:27] <aptanet_> I'm sure somebody said that if you give unity a chance you'll grow to like it, so far I'm growing increasingly irritated by it
[13:29] <oly> aptanet, i quite like the interface my biggest issue is that a lot of apps i use dont seem to like it
[13:30] <kirrus> Unity is nice, it just has some awefully horrible bugs.
[13:30] <oly> it likes to fail with full screen apps in particular
[13:30] <aptanet_> my biggest issue is that it makes finding apps more difficult
[13:30] <oly> and i like playing games :)
[13:30] <ball> kirrus: I'm not keen for a couple of reasons, but I like that we have a choice of desktops
[13:30] <ball> Hello TheOpenSourcerer
[13:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> hello ball
[13:31] <oly> i find it easier to find apps for the most part but some just dont show up even when you type the full name
[13:31] <aptanet_> I'm afraid I look on Unity as an interesting proof of concept
[13:31] <oly> gnote being one i tried today :p
[13:31] <aptanet_> I don't want to switch to the keyboard to start typing the name and then back to the mouse to select it
[13:32] <oly> yeah think its got a few years polish needed yet :)
[13:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Why would a server have a really high load average (~29)  when cpu load and memory are both fine?
[13:32] <kirrus> ball: aye, the choice is useful
[13:32] <ball> I thought for years it would be nice to have a menu at the top of the screen like Atari, Amiga and Apple Macintosh, but it breaks focus-follows mouse and my users would be confused about which window the menu was for.
[13:32] <aptanet_> not to mention for less used apps I often know where they are on the menu, but not what the actual app is called - particularly when a 'friendly' name is sometimes used!
[13:32] <oimon> i am left wondering if unity can ever be usable, even with more polish
[13:32] <kirrus> TheOpenSourcerer: network, disk I/O
[13:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> what's the best way to find out what is causing the load?
[13:33] <aptanet_> ball, yes, I've had to back off focus follows mouse
[13:33] <kirrus> iotop, iptraf, htop
[13:33] <oimon> use top and press i to get rid of idle apps
[13:33] <oimon> check the state "R" for running.
[13:33] <kirrus> Sorry, that was to TheOpenSourcerer. :) If you're running software raid, it could be rebuilding, try cat /proc/mdstat
[13:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> top shows the highest process as [ahem] top ;-)
[13:34] <oimon> there should also be 28 other with R running state
[13:35] <oimon> run:
[13:35] <oimon> top -b -i -n 3 | pastebinit
[13:36] <popey> probably something has been spawned a bazillion times in a cron job
[13:36] <popey> lots of contention
[13:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> ahh -
[13:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> lots of these:
[13:37] <ball> aptanet_: I've been doing to for too long to change now ;-)
[13:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> 13608 root      20   0 18924  248   44 D    0  0.0   0:00.00 cron
[13:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> 13653 root      20   0 18924  248   44 D    0  0.0   0:00.00 cron
[13:37] <ball> aptanet_: The main thing for me is a strong desire not to confuse my users any more than necessary.
[13:37] <kirrus> TheOpenSourcerer: 'pstree -a | less' should give you more of an idea as to what the cronjobs are actually doing
[13:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks - I now seem to be locked out :-(... Will be digging a tad more.
[13:38]  * popey uses pstree -Aa
[13:39] <kirrus> Argh, I meant -p, not -a
[13:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's being terribly slow with it's replies to pstree. Although the cli itself is OK.
[13:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nope - think I am going to have to kill it.
[13:42]  * TheOpenSourcerer blames AlanBell for installing a non-LTS version on a server ;-)
[13:43] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: I think you'll find it was czajkowski fault, it normally is on this channel ;)
[13:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh yes - of course you are right davmor2
[13:44] <aptanet_> ball, I've been determined to give unity a chance, but I much prefer using my slower netbook that can't run it than my desktop, so I fear its days may be numbered
[13:45] <ball> aptanet_: I started putting Xubuntu on machines again.
[13:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmmm- am struggling to get it to do anything now. I have 4 terminal sessions to it and all are not responding. Can I do Magic SYSRQ over ssh?
[13:45] <aptanet_> ball, I used to like XFCE when I was using Debian, but was never that happy with Xubuntu
[13:45] <kirrus> TheOpenSourcerer: you can cat SYSRQ commands into the kernel, but that requires a responsive term :/
[13:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> hmm
[13:46] <kirrus> TheOpenSourcerer: can you remote-powercycle?
[13:46] <ball> aptanet_: What issues did you see with Xubuntu?
[13:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> I can log in and enter refreshes the prompt quickly enough. But try to run a command and it stalls.
[13:47] <aptanet_> ball, quite a bit was the choice of apps and the hassle of removing and installing what I wanted iirc, and the tools for managing networking were a mess when I tried it
[13:48] <aptanet_> I installed it again recently alongside unity, but there were several bugs with that and I didn't have time to play
[13:48] <kirrus> TheOpenSourcerer: echo 'key' > /proc/sysrq-trigger
[13:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> damn. can't get passed sudo.
[13:50] <kirrus> TheOpenSourcerer: patience? Sometimes the commands will get through, if you give them long enough. But, if I were you, I'd be getting console access / rebooting it
[13:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> kirrus: It is quite a long way away ;-)
[13:51] <kirrus> TheOpenSourcerer: remote hands?
[13:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - maybe. I have sent it a sudo reboot so maybe in a while it will get round to dealing with it.
[13:56] <AlanBell> did you break it TheOpenSourcerer?
[13:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Well - not really but I can't stop it right now.
[13:58] <kirrus> TheOpenSourcerer: So, it's broken, but it has nothing to do with you, right? ;)
[13:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes kirrus - iw breaking when I logged in.
[13:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> *it was
[13:59] <kirrus> Do you have a remote console, KVM thing?
[13:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> nah
[13:59] <AlanBell> it has an integrated lights out processor apparently
[13:59] <AlanBell> but that isn't plugged in
[14:10] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Michael Wood] Inhibit - http://www.michaelwood.me.uk/wordpress/2011/09/16/inhibit/
[14:11] <kirrus> Shame.. remote consoles are insanely handy :)
[14:12] <Myrtti> chicken blue cheese pizza *nom*
[14:18] <willcooke> ping popey
[14:18] <popey> hullo
[14:20] <ball> LOM ftw.
[14:22] <kirrus> ball: LOM?
[14:22] <davmor2> Myrtti: I didn't realise you could milk a chicken
[14:22] <oimon> no food should be blue
[14:23] <DJones> Blueberries
[14:24] <ball> kirrus: Lights-out Management... server consoles.
[14:24] <DJones> And what about sauted smurfs
[14:24] <ball> kirrus: Let you reboot, load an OS etc.
[14:25] <ball> kirrus: ...power on, power off, mess with (the equivalent of) CMOS/NVRAM settings.
[14:25] <oimon> are blueberries blue, or more purpley?
[14:25] <oimon> i guess i have to hand that one to you djones
[14:26] <kirrus> ball: ahh, cool, I know what you mean. I normally use direct PDU access things, but then, I am sitting a couple of meters away from the server racks ;)
[14:26] <davmor2> oimon: blue cheese isn't blue
[14:26] <oimon> why's it called blue cheese?
[14:26] <DJones> oimon: Blueberries are fruit though, so I wouldn't count that as food, its not a sausage roll pie so it can't be nutrisious
[14:27] <oimon> http://whatscookingamerica.net/Salad/BlueCheese.JPG cheese+blue colour
[14:27] <ball> kirrus: We use PDU access only when the LOM's dead, which doesn't happen often.
[14:28] <oimon> who decided that eating mouldy cheese is a good idea?
[14:29] <kirrus> ball: cool. I say PDU, but we've out own custom-coded interface to the things, so there is Big Red Buttons on certain webpages to reboot certain machines ;)
[14:29] <DJones> Probably somebody with an empty fridge
[14:32]  * czajkowski throws a bucket of smelly fish over davmor2 and runs away 
[14:33] <Myrtti> gj
[14:33] <davmor2> see now that was completely unprovoked attack there czajkowski so don't get trying to blame me for starting this war,  /me throws a bucket of iced water of czajkowski
[14:34] <davmor2> Myrtti: you okay?
[14:34]  * popey tickles Myrtti 
[14:36] <Myrtti> yeah, just had pizza after a small stroll to see mum and taking some apples from her trees to her. No stone yet. Anyway, back to cleaning sawdust and sanding
[14:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> That sudo doesn't seem to have the same process level as commands like "w" or "top" or "ps" is a bit of an issue it seems to me. I can watch my server processes but can't sudo to do anything.
[14:42]  * czajkowski hugs Myrtti 
[14:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> load avg now up to 47 and as a normal user I can move around the cli freely. But try to use sudo and the interface hangs.
[14:43] <popey> su to root?
[14:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> no passwd
[14:43] <popey> oops
[14:43] <oimon> sudo -i
[14:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> that stalls oimon
[14:44] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: I'd say you broked it
[14:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone got a *very* long stick?
[14:44] <oimon> you broke the friday law
[14:45] <popey> have you tried turning it off and on again?
[14:46] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: can you crash it?
[14:46] <AlanBell> hard as a normal user
[14:49] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: what kernel release are you on? :D
[14:49] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2011-August/001399.html use one of them to crash it :D
[14:50] <popey> http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2011-1581 maybe
[14:53] <oimon> how long have you waited for the sudo to work?
[14:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Sorry on phone. AlanBell installed 11.04 on this server
[14:54] <popey> yeah, that kernel bug relates to 11.04
[14:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have asked our customer (whose server it is) if he can go and give it a bloody big kick up the bottom.
[14:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Linux servername 2.6.38-11-server #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 29 19:20:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> how could I crash it AlanBell? Do some kind of recursive command to fill the memory or something?
[14:58] <czajkowski> popey: oh fixed my unity £D desktop issue
[14:58] <czajkowski> popey: by me I mean filbert :D
[14:58] <czajkowski> had to install unity it had vanished but could still see it on 2D
[15:01] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: dunno really, I was just suggesting non-conventional ways to shut it down
[15:02] <AlanBell> raising the temperature above the critical point would do it
[15:02] <oimon> anyone here bought a porch recently?
[15:02] <oimon> wondering if it's the same merry dance as double glazing quotes
[15:04] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: forkbomb sounds like it's already been run :D
[15:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> This is weird though: http://paste.ubuntu.com/690883/
[15:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm hoping our customer will wander downstairs in a mo and hit the big STOP button on the front of the server.
[15:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Then AlanBell can work out why 11.04 likes to commit suicide so much :-)
[15:19] <AlanBell> works for me :)
[15:20] <diplo> blimey TheOpenSourcerer that is some serious load :)
[15:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> yeah. But no processor load nor memory starvation.
[15:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> And there really isn't much running on the box
[15:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> 11.04 server, denyhosts, postgres, openerp and apache.
[15:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> diplo: It's now 48 :-)
[15:21] <popey> yeah, more cron jobs
[15:22] <diplo> IO issue, hitting swap or something ?
[15:22] <popey> wedged cron jobs
[15:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> But it is really weird how as a normal user the cli is very responsive.
[15:22] <diplo> hmm no 0k used
[15:22] <diplo> Some bug there somewhere then :)
[15:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> but try to sudo and it [the cli] stalls.
[15:22] <diplo> Any one ever have issues with ntpdate setting time to non bst ?
[15:23] <davmor2> gord: scope → apps with filter games still shows nothing still
[15:23] <diplo> IE an hour slow
[15:23] <gord> davmor2, yell at kamstrup on ayatana for me :)
[15:24] <gord> davmor2, though it works fine here
[15:25] <davmor2> gord one second let me check for updates before I start yelling then
[15:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's almost certainly cron jobs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/690894/
[15:29] <davmor2> gord:  I have a bunch of unity fixes so fingers crossed
[15:39] <geekMePlease> Does the wireless modem E153 work in the newest Ubuntu?
[15:40] <geekMePlease> * it does not seem to recognize the device
[15:40] <geekMePlease> * have it connected it right now to 11.04
[15:48] <kirrus> geekMePlease: a quick google revealed this, which might help? Sorry, don't have direct knowledge: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11134372
[16:02] <geekMePlease> What is the wireless program name in the newest Ubuntu in terminal?
[16:02] <popey> wireless program name?
[16:02] <geekMePlease> * there is no mark of my E153 -connection at the right-top corner
[16:02] <popey> iwlist / iwconfig / nm-tool ?
[16:02] <geekMePlease> popey: yes
[16:03] <popey> ah, not that kind of wirelss?
[16:03] <popey> 3G
[16:03] <geekMePlease> popey: yes
[16:06] <geekMePlease> There does not seem to be any driver for the modem E153
[16:06] <geekMePlease> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkManager/Hardware/3G
[16:09] <popey> what have you tried?
[16:10] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Tu Parle Bazaar? - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4480
[16:10] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] 42,000 schools running Kubuntu derivative - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4481
[16:10] <davmor2> gord: Yay I can haz gamez
[16:11] <geekMePlease> It seems to notice that it is a usb-modem but does not get it synced with Network tools: http://pastebin.com/nVX39DaC
[16:12] <geekMePlease> popey: above
[16:12] <gord> davmor2, :)
[16:13] <geekMePlease> the driver is still on alpha -phase 0.7.2
[16:14] <geekMePlease> * ok, I will not buy the given modem.
[16:22] <issyl0> AlanBell: The release party?  Possibly.
[16:22] <issyl0> AlanBell: When's the Farnborough drinks thing again?
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> issyl0: http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/ ?
[16:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> issyl0: You mean the one next to popey 's house ?
[16:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> 20/10/2011
[16:31] <issyl0> TheOpenSourcerer: That's the one, yeah.
[16:31] <issyl0> TheOpenSourcerer: Oh yay!
[16:32] <issyl0> I have an excuse not to go to the college party that isn't "I won't be able to get home unless I leave at 10." :P
[16:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[16:34] <issyl0> So, good timing, guys.  :-))
[16:34] <issyl0> (It's very sad though, isn't it?  :P)
[16:35] <MartijnVdS> issyl0: do you use that excuse a lot then?
[16:35] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: No, but it's true!
[16:36] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: OK, maybe not totally true: The last train from the town in which my college is to the town in which I live is at 11pm, but still, it's the principle...
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> issyl0: It's true here as well, if I leave after 23:00, I won't be able to get home (or, I will, but then I won't be able to drink, responsible driving etc.)
[16:36] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: :-(
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> \o/ car though
[16:36] <issyl0> Heh.
[16:36] <issyl0> I'm having driving lessons.  :-)
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> I can drink water all night if it's a good party :)
[16:37] <issyl0> The car my parents were going to let me drive when I pass my test has just broken down, though.  :P
[16:37] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: Heh, water.  \o/
[16:37]  * MartijnVdS has a yellow SMART
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Yellow_Smart_Fortwo_side.JPG
[16:45] <issyl0> Hmmmm/.
[16:46] <issyl0> Is it normal that the table headers are slightly offset from the actual columns on http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1277/detail/ ?
[16:46] <issyl0> It annoys me.
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> issyl0: which table do you mean?
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> ooh the bottom one is all broken
[16:48]  * MartijnVdS blames AlanBell 
[16:48] <issyl0> The registration table.
[16:48] <issyl0> Yeah.
[16:48] <gord> heh yeah the headers are centred while the items are left aligned
[16:48] <gord> that is annoying
[16:48] <ali1234> it's because someone inserted an empty header cell instead of using colspan
[16:48] <MartijnVdS> gord: also, the header is wider than the contents
[16:49] <issyl0> It doesn't look like the "edit" button works to edit the table, either, just the information about the event.
[16:49] <ali1234> and it's the header that is left aligned and the contents is centered
[16:49] <ali1234> what you should actually do is make everything centered and merge the empty cell with colspan=2
[16:50] <popey> issyl0: its already been filed as a bug
[16:51] <issyl0> popey: Oh OK.  :-)
[16:51] <issyl0> popey: That's good then.
[16:51] <popey> (I asked the same thing a few days ago)
[16:51] <issyl0> popey: Aahh.
[17:01] <AlanBell> gord: issyl0 yeah, that is a column that has something to do with pictures of people
[17:02] <AlanBell> I reported the bug already
[17:03]  * brobostigon puts e4 on, for big bang theory, :)
[17:03] <AlanBell> bug 841790
[17:19] <AlanBell> ^^ someone could confirm that if they like
[17:24] <AlanBell> bug #734520
[17:24] <AlanBell> ^^ someone commented out the avatars to fix that bug, and forgot to remove the <th> cell
[17:27]  * AlanBell pushes the fix
[17:27]  * AlanBell expects it won't get merged
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> you didn't sign over copyright to Canonical?
[17:28]  * issyl0 reports a Launchpad bug...
[17:28] <issyl0> (It's been irritating me for ages; I've finally got around to reporting it.)
[17:28] <issyl0> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/852056
[17:29] <issyl0> Anyone else?  Or am I just a pedant?  :P
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> let me check
[17:29]  * MartijnVdS confirms
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> "Does it affect you?" "Yes, deeply"
[17:30] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: :D
[17:30] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: Yay.  :P
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> \o/ 90s week on the radio
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> Only songs from the 90s, for a week
[17:35] <Myrtti> Ace of Base!
[17:35] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: http://www.3fmfan.nl/page/muziekstats for the playlist of the last few hours
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> they've only just started
[17:41] <daubers> Evening
[17:41] <MartijnVdS> \o daubster
[17:54] <Neoti> Is torrenting a TV Episode or series illegal if you already have it recorded on a Tivo or V+ box from virgin Media, but want to have it stored on a media centre and plan to delete the recorded one from the relevant device? need help on the legality of this?
[17:55] <MartijnVdS> Neoti: don't ask us, ask someone who's trained in legal matters
[17:59]  * daubers tries to find his desk
[18:10] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Getting Older - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/16/getting-older/
[18:15] <Hornet> Neoti: no
[18:15] <Hornet> it's not illegal to download, it's technically a civil offence to upload however
[18:16] <Hornet> but not criminal, and nobody has ever been prosecuted
[18:24] <brobostigon> so 12.04 will be the next LTs?
[18:24] <hamitron> yeh
[18:25]  * hamitron is looking forward to it
[18:25] <brobostigon> i am just thinking about ubuntu server for my vps.
[18:25] <hamitron> all my 32 bit machines will be slackware, then 64 bit and servers on ubuntu 12.04
[18:25] <hamitron> is my current plan
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> ooh QI tonight
[18:26] <brobostigon> and outnumbered, :)
[18:27] <brobostigon> i was considering going to the pub, but the tv is too good,
[18:28]  * daubers rips his OU course DVD to his HDD and phone
[18:28] <AlanBell>  http://www.bcs.org/content/ConWebDoc/41634 issyl0 czajkowski
[18:29] <AlanBell> and anyone else in the London area interested in Ada Lovelace day stuff
[18:41] <AlanBell> canonical are investigating sorting out nibbles for the launch party \o/
[18:43] <daubers> Hah! Didn't realise that the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band did a cover of "Crazy Words Crazy Tune"
[18:44] <zleap> cake :D
[18:46] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/September%202011/2011-09-16_19.45.13.png is this normal for minecraft 1.8?
[18:46] <Azelphur> or is it a bug :/
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: The magic darkness?
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> that's a feature
[18:49] <Azelphur> omg
[18:49] <Azelphur> even with glowstone and torches? :(
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> yes
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> only sunlight works
[18:50] <Azelphur> that's messed :/
[18:50] <Azelphur> I guess that means underground bunkers are out
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> Well glass roofs :)
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> it's only below some level I think..
[18:52] <Azelphur> :(
[18:52] <Azelphur> I'm pretty much on the bedrock
[19:33] <oimon1> hi guys, where is the banshee cddb configured? it's not recognising a well known cd..can't find the specific site in the prefs
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> oimon1: it uses musicbrainz
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> oimon1: which CD?
[19:34] <oimon1> nada  surf, the weight is a gift
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> is it very new?
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> no.. it's from '05
[19:35] <oimon1> musicbrainz picard recognises it
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> oimon1: then Banshee should too
[19:35] <oimon1> maybe i've disabled a plugin by accident
[19:36] <oimon1> or banshee is just being lame
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> Which Ubuntu version?
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> because anything < oneiric won't work because of API changes
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> on the musicbrainz site
[19:37] <oimon1> lucid
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> that's the problem then
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> sound-juicer won't work either (API change as well)
[19:37] <oimon1> banshee 2.01?
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> oimon1: 2.1.4 here (oneiric)
[19:38] <oimon1> hmm
[19:40] <oimon1> what's worse is that i have the ppa enabled
[19:41] <oimon1> bug 455461
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> yeah I've been subscribed to those
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> sound-juicer is very broken on multi-cd sets atm
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> banshe is better but not perfect
[19:44] <oimon1> thanks for pointing me in the right direction :)
[19:45] <oimon1> argh some joker knocked on the door asking to sponsor him for something. dog barks , baby stirs. there's a reason i have a no cold caller sign
[19:47] <oimon1> i dont really trust sound-juicers mp3 settings
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> oimon1: it's just a bunch of standard gstreamer settings.. there's a config gui
[19:49] <oimon1> interestingly sound juicer works, so only banshee that's broken
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> get a newer banshee :)
[19:50] <oimon1> or a newer ubuntu ...i've got natty running upstairs
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> that includes a newer banshee :)
[19:51] <oimon1> but...it's upstairs :)
[19:53] <oimon1> just tried playing openttd but looks like hard work
[19:53] <oimon1> think i'll stick to wii games
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> openttd is fun :)
[19:56] <oimon1> looking forward to the long awaited "album artist" bug fix in banshee 2.3
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> oimon1: album artist bugfix?
[19:58] <oimon1> allow to show the "album artist" instead of artist in the artist list. avoids lots of entries when you wife adds a cheesy compilation
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> ah
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> I browse the album list anyway
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> or search
[19:58] <oimon1> that bug makes me use clementine
[19:59] <oimon1> maybe i'm a bit ocd, but i don't like seeing will young and kylie in my artist list
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> So give your wife her own account (and ~/Music)
[20:00] <oimon1> she also has some good musics :)
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> ln -s ~wife/Music/Good_Album ~/Music/
[20:00] <oimon1> i try to keep all data under /data
[20:00] <oimon1> then ln Music etc
[20:01]  * MartijnVdS waves the FHS in oimon1's face
[20:01] <oimon1> most of the music i listen to in the car noawadays is to keep my 1yr old son happy
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> so.. loud guitar rock?
[20:11] <oimon2> i wonder if canonical will follow MS W8 by putting a bunch of info on the lightdm screen now
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> maybe...
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> but what
[20:12] <oimon1> the usual generic guff like weather info
[20:12] <oimon1> i haven't really followed all the windows press this week but everyone seems to be focussing on the metro pre-login environment
[20:13] <oimon1> buy windows8 , get a cut down splashtop?
[20:30] <czajkowski> AlanBell: interesting
[20:43] <AlanBell> the cake is not a lie
[20:47] <Nafallo> apt-btrfs-snapshot is a VERY good idea.
[20:47] <Nafallo> it just saved my ass :-)
[20:47] <AlanBell> lucky donkey
[20:49] <Nafallo> now i have to download all the updates again though :-p
[20:50] <brobostigon> is one pound per GB, within and sd good value?
[20:50] <Nafallo> should probably figure out which one broke my stuff as well :-p
[20:50] <brobostigon> an*
[20:50] <Nafallo> brobostigon: SD card?
[20:50] <brobostigon> Nafallo: sdhc
[20:51] <Nafallo> brobostigon: there is a lot more to it than the size. class is more important in most cases.
[20:51] <brobostigon> Nafallo: what do i look for ? i am not very familier with that factor.
[20:52] <Nafallo> brobostigon: depends what you're going to use the card for really.
[20:52] <AlanBell> class 10 is the fastest
[20:52] <brobostigon> Nafallo: using to boot haiku-os from.
[20:52] <AlanBell> fast as possible then
[20:53] <AlanBell> about £20 for a 16GB class 10
[20:53] <brobostigon> ok, class 10 or nearest?
[20:53] <brobostigon> ok, that sounds fine.
[20:53] <brobostigon> thank you./
[20:54] <Nafallo> if you want the fastest on the market, yes :-)
[20:55] <Nafallo> class 6 minimum recommended for recording 1080p HD videos :-)
[20:55] <Nafallo> might give you an idea.
[20:55] <AlanBell> it still isn't fast compared to SSD, but is fast enough
[20:56] <brobostigon> AlanBell: i will be using this, via the sd slot on my eeepc, and then via a usb sd adaptor on other machines.
[20:56] <AlanBell> yeah, I have a machine that boots ubuntu server from SD
[20:57] <AlanBell> works fine and is very convenient
[20:57] <Nafallo> hrm
[20:57] <brobostigon> ok, hmmm.
[20:58] <brobostigon> interesting.
[20:58] <Nafallo> I need windows on this machine :-/
[20:58] <brobostigon> so highest class possible,
[20:58] <brobostigon> http://www.ebuyer.com/282288-exdisplay-verbatim-securedigital-sdhc-class10-16gb-ebr1-43962
[20:59] <brobostigon> would something like that, be fine?
[21:01] <AlanBell> sounds good from the URL :)
[21:01] <AlanBell> I have VPN stuff going on and browsers are being confused now
[21:01] <brobostigon> :(
[21:01] <brobostigon> new QI :)
[21:02] <brobostigon> john lloyd, who came up with the idea, lives just down the road from me. in "great tew".
[21:19] <brobostigon> there is alot of choice.
[21:41] <brobostigon> when david gilmour was younger, he looks very alike to my younger brother, would my brother object to being compared to one of the best quitarists on the planet?
[21:53] <AlanBell> brobostigon: all the oggcamp videos were recorded on SD cards identical to that
[21:53] <brobostigon> AlanBell: ah, :)
[21:53] <AlanBell> and my home server boots from one of them
[21:54] <brobostigon> the one i s[ecofoed from ebuyer?
[21:54] <AlanBell> yeah
[21:54] <brobostigon> :)
[21:54]  * brobostigon buys.
[22:44] <tiga> qqq