[00:02] anyone bought a pc from linux emporium before? i'm looking at the shuttle, and i wanna know if i can extend it for a dual-head setup [00:03] scratch that. it seems it has a pci-e slot. [00:03] just need an apt GPU. [00:50] good night yall can anyone know how to find the back door to a eMachines bios: V3.07 [00:51] i have forgoten my password [00:51] i wrote when i bought it [00:53] ok cyall [01:49] hi guys does anyone know the path analogous to /dev/video0 for audio? [01:50] /dev/audio0 doesn't exist. i know it has something to do with pulseaudio but i don't know what to write for the path :( [01:53] update: you prefix your command with padsp and it makes /dev/dsp work. [01:53] thanks guys [01:53] :D [06:39] *yawns* [06:40] morning [06:43] morning [06:47] AlanBell: hey hows you [07:12] Morning all [07:27] Morning === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [08:02] Morning. [08:27] anyone got notify messages working for thunderbird 6? the extension is broken now :( [08:34] morning [08:34] oimon: I got so fed up with TB and cpu usage and plugin issues I've just moved to Evolution now [08:34] :/ [08:34] I need a brain to pick about bash scripting [08:34] diplo: evolution crashed every day for a year on me [08:35] Oh :/ [08:35] tb is using 0 cpu [08:35] Works for me, but only moved yesterday so we will see, but my colleague moved a couple of weeks ago and has been fine [08:35] really.. [08:35] \o/ webmail [08:35] Good morning also [08:36] Mine kills my machine, debating about a reinstall anyhoo [08:36] Use webmail for most of my services apart from work [08:36] hey guys - got an old intrepid box.. using a ppd file for a Zebra printer and it doesn't work - on later versions of cups (natty) it works fine [08:37] any ideas whether it'll be tied to a cups version? [09:14] andylockran: it shouldn't be tied... but it's easy enough to backup the PPD and try it [09:16] drussell: I'm using a custom ppd that I've modified [09:17] Happy Friday, team! [09:22] mother of god NZ is killing Japan [09:23] I'm missing something here... there isn't a war on between NZ and Japan, right? [09:23] ;) [09:24] If czajkowski is talking about it, it's either rugby or ubuntu, and that doesn't sound a lot like ubuntu :) [09:24] Ahh, Rugby. [09:24] 1009: RUGBY UNION - Hosts New Zealand are now 52-0 up against Japan in their second match of the World Cup, having scored six tries in the first half. More than 25 minutes left. [09:24] That is pretty embarassing for Japan... [09:25] 69 - 7 [09:25] well its not really a big sport there [09:29] BigRedS: ahh you do know me [09:29] gord: no bickies for you smart arse [09:30] czajkowski: to be fair, it's not a big sport here (England) either. ;) [09:32] kirrus: go to the naughty step [09:32] * kirrus slinks off tail between legs [09:33] czajkowski: Japan have had some pretty nice backs moves though [09:33] unlucky on the forward pass by their prop a second ago [09:49] good morning everyone. [09:50] morning brobostigon [09:50] morning Pernig [09:55] * Laney wibbles [09:58] Why are you wibbling, Laney? [09:58] made of jelly [10:00] * oimon is having fun with ruby on rails apps :( [10:01] oimon: I read that as rugby on rails I blame czajkowski for that though all her talk of rugby all the time :D [10:01] * BigRedS sympathises with oimon [10:02] * oimon wishes there was a #ubuntu-rugby group [10:02] I do think 'having fun' as a euphemism for 'not enjoying myself' is stretched rather far when applied to anything ruby related [10:02] For those using a non-free O.S, Portal is free atm: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/09/16/portal-free/ [10:02] yeah, rails app + passenger + ssl [10:02] i think it's working now [10:02] now i know why people buys apps instead :) [10:04] * oimon must remember to use the toilet before announcing a time window for a service to be down for maintenance :-\ [10:05] :D [10:05] MooDoo: you online yet you slacker [10:08] thanks kirrus [10:10] * czajkowski stabs davmor2 and MooDoo [10:10] oimon, ruby on rails is a kids' framework, for people running "servers" on old pentium 3 boxes in their bedrooms and who *never* need to deploy properly [10:10] i can't think of another reason for the dreadful design of the thing [10:10] what is wrong with pentium 3? ;/ [10:12] heh [10:12] secondary Morning btw [10:14] hamitron: yeah, apart from RoR I can't see anything wrong with directhex's scenario... [10:14] undeployable software has no reason for existing [10:15] the thrill of the challenge! [10:16] Gentoo exists for that challenge... [10:16] czajkowski: you leave MooDoo out of it he happily off being a dad again, no excuse to deaf out his mates obviously but ha ho [10:18] although now it's running it's pretty stable [10:19] although my puppet dashboard sucks as it's running on webbrick [10:19] can't be bothered to spend a day fixing that [10:57] * kirrus rants about customers ranting about our 'terrible' support when they refuse to contact us to.. ask for support. [10:59] ugh, international travel [11:00] how can you rescan all usb devices? [11:01] I unplugged a hdd, and want to plug it back in, but it isn't detecting it [11:01] :/ [11:02] is it not detecting it at all, or is it just not mounting? [11:02] nothing in dmesg [11:02] showing up when you use lsusb? [11:02] lsusb doesnt show it? [11:03] no [11:03] sometimes when i unplug something then plug it back in in ubuntu [11:03] usually after 'safely removing' it [11:04] i have to plug it into a different port for it to show up again [11:04] that isn't really an option here [11:04] :/ [11:05] I guess I could move my desk to get to the back [11:05] but easier to reboot [11:05] so was wondering if there is a way in the software, to avoid this [11:07] depending on the device, i think using eject rather than safely remove might help [11:08] that's what i use for my card reader (the device i have this problem with) [11:08] ok, will try that [11:09] Pernig: so one option uses unmount and the other eject ? [11:11] brobostigon: i'm not sure on the backend of it, but i think safely remove unmounts then cuts the device off completely (if the device allows) [11:11] whereas eject just unmounts, say if you have a card reader and you want to remove a card to replace with another later [11:11] well, i did unplug it [11:11] :/ [11:12] just won't re-detect when plugged back in [11:12] hamitron: i know what you mean, the device seems to 'stay off' when plugged back in [11:12] it is a usb hard drive [11:12] Pernig: hmmm, interesting, more reserach required. [11:13] out of interest, does get its power from USB? [11:13] no, it has its own power [11:14] I did read about there been some problem [11:15] i think even if there is no bug, the options are a little ambiguous and could do with being addressed [11:15] and someone said unloading the ehci_hcd on a slackware install, to fix it [11:16] the kernel module I mean [11:17] [ 3116.036203] usb 1-3.1: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 [11:17] got to dash, back later [11:17] laters :) [11:37] amazon prime is nice, but sometimes i feel silly for the big delivery truck coming tom my house to deliver one roll of tape that i needed but was too busy to nip out to the shop [11:39] gord: hahaha [11:51] on a grim subject, what is the protocol with the cards etc. sent to funeral directors, are they read aloud at the service? [11:52] I know they are in Finland but how about UK? [11:52] Myrtti: I think it would depend on who was taking the funeral [11:52] hm? [11:53] Some vicars may read some out, or maybe somebody who knew the person might read some out as part of the euology [11:54] ok, thats what I thought [11:55] From the funerals were I've been involved as the stand in verger, I wouldn't say it was common practise though [11:56] a friend who I knew through FLOSS circles suddenly died on Tuesday and ordered a Moonpig card, I know it's hard on the family and feeling there are more shoulders carrying the weight is comforting [11:56] s/ordered/I ordered/ [11:57] just didnt know about the protocol, but anyway, thanks [11:57] You're welcome [13:24] hmm, minimised xchat to the tray in unity and it has vanished, now way to get back to it even though it is clearly still running [13:25] lol, my xchat some times runs with the icon in the unity bar but you can not gain focus :p [13:26] I've had to start a new instance [13:26] I'm trying to decide whether to try to work out how to retrieve the other one, or simply kill it [13:27] I'm sure somebody said that if you give unity a chance you'll grow to like it, so far I'm growing increasingly irritated by it [13:29] aptanet, i quite like the interface my biggest issue is that a lot of apps i use dont seem to like it [13:30] Unity is nice, it just has some awefully horrible bugs. [13:30] it likes to fail with full screen apps in particular [13:30] my biggest issue is that it makes finding apps more difficult [13:30] and i like playing games :) [13:30] kirrus: I'm not keen for a couple of reasons, but I like that we have a choice of desktops [13:30] Hello TheOpenSourcerer [13:31] hello ball [13:31] i find it easier to find apps for the most part but some just dont show up even when you type the full name [13:31] I'm afraid I look on Unity as an interesting proof of concept [13:31] gnote being one i tried today :p [13:31] I don't want to switch to the keyboard to start typing the name and then back to the mouse to select it [13:32] yeah think its got a few years polish needed yet :) [13:32] Why would a server have a really high load average (~29) when cpu load and memory are both fine? [13:32] ball: aye, the choice is useful [13:32] I thought for years it would be nice to have a menu at the top of the screen like Atari, Amiga and Apple Macintosh, but it breaks focus-follows mouse and my users would be confused about which window the menu was for. [13:32] not to mention for less used apps I often know where they are on the menu, but not what the actual app is called - particularly when a 'friendly' name is sometimes used! [13:32] i am left wondering if unity can ever be usable, even with more polish [13:32] TheOpenSourcerer: network, disk I/O [13:33] what's the best way to find out what is causing the load? [13:33] ball, yes, I've had to back off focus follows mouse [13:33] iotop, iptraf, htop [13:33] use top and press i to get rid of idle apps [13:33] check the state "R" for running. [13:33] Sorry, that was to TheOpenSourcerer. :) If you're running software raid, it could be rebuilding, try cat /proc/mdstat [13:34] top shows the highest process as [ahem] top ;-) [13:34] there should also be 28 other with R running state [13:35] run: [13:35] top -b -i -n 3 | pastebinit [13:36] probably something has been spawned a bazillion times in a cron job [13:36] lots of contention [13:37] ahh - [13:37] lots of these: [13:37] aptanet_: I've been doing to for too long to change now ;-) [13:37] 13608 root 20 0 18924 248 44 D 0 0.0 0:00.00 cron [13:37] 13653 root 20 0 18924 248 44 D 0 0.0 0:00.00 cron [13:37] aptanet_: The main thing for me is a strong desire not to confuse my users any more than necessary. [13:37] TheOpenSourcerer: 'pstree -a | less' should give you more of an idea as to what the cronjobs are actually doing [13:38] Thanks - I now seem to be locked out :-(... Will be digging a tad more. [13:38] * popey uses pstree -Aa [13:39] Argh, I meant -p, not -a [13:39] It's being terribly slow with it's replies to pstree. Although the cli itself is OK. [13:41] Nope - think I am going to have to kill it. [13:42] * TheOpenSourcerer blames AlanBell for installing a non-LTS version on a server ;-) [13:43] TheOpenSourcerer: I think you'll find it was czajkowski fault, it normally is on this channel ;) [13:44] Ahh yes - of course you are right davmor2 [13:44] ball, I've been determined to give unity a chance, but I much prefer using my slower netbook that can't run it than my desktop, so I fear its days may be numbered [13:45] aptanet_: I started putting Xubuntu on machines again. [13:45] Hmmm- am struggling to get it to do anything now. I have 4 terminal sessions to it and all are not responding. Can I do Magic SYSRQ over ssh? [13:45] ball, I used to like XFCE when I was using Debian, but was never that happy with Xubuntu [13:45] TheOpenSourcerer: you can cat SYSRQ commands into the kernel, but that requires a responsive term :/ [13:46] hmm [13:46] TheOpenSourcerer: can you remote-powercycle? [13:46] aptanet_: What issues did you see with Xubuntu? [13:47] I can log in and enter refreshes the prompt quickly enough. But try to run a command and it stalls. [13:47] ball, quite a bit was the choice of apps and the hassle of removing and installing what I wanted iirc, and the tools for managing networking were a mess when I tried it [13:48] I installed it again recently alongside unity, but there were several bugs with that and I didn't have time to play [13:48] TheOpenSourcerer: echo 'key' > /proc/sysrq-trigger [13:49] damn. can't get passed sudo. [13:50] TheOpenSourcerer: patience? Sometimes the commands will get through, if you give them long enough. But, if I were you, I'd be getting console access / rebooting it [13:51] kirrus: It is quite a long way away ;-) [13:51] TheOpenSourcerer: remote hands? [13:51] Yeah - maybe. I have sent it a sudo reboot so maybe in a while it will get round to dealing with it. [13:56] did you break it TheOpenSourcerer? [13:56] Well - not really but I can't stop it right now. [13:58] TheOpenSourcerer: So, it's broken, but it has nothing to do with you, right? ;) [13:58] Yes kirrus - iw breaking when I logged in. [13:58] *it was [13:59] Do you have a remote console, KVM thing? [13:59] nah [13:59] it has an integrated lights out processor apparently [13:59] but that isn't plugged in [14:10] [Michael Wood] Inhibit - http://www.michaelwood.me.uk/wordpress/2011/09/16/inhibit/ [14:11] Shame.. remote consoles are insanely handy :) [14:12] chicken blue cheese pizza *nom* [14:18] ping popey [14:18] hullo [14:20] LOM ftw. [14:22] ball: LOM? [14:22] Myrtti: I didn't realise you could milk a chicken [14:22] no food should be blue [14:23] Blueberries [14:24] kirrus: Lights-out Management... server consoles. [14:24] And what about sauted smurfs [14:24] kirrus: Let you reboot, load an OS etc. [14:25] kirrus: ...power on, power off, mess with (the equivalent of) CMOS/NVRAM settings. [14:25] are blueberries blue, or more purpley? [14:25] i guess i have to hand that one to you djones [14:26] ball: ahh, cool, I know what you mean. I normally use direct PDU access things, but then, I am sitting a couple of meters away from the server racks ;) [14:26] oimon: blue cheese isn't blue [14:26] why's it called blue cheese? [14:26] oimon: Blueberries are fruit though, so I wouldn't count that as food, its not a sausage roll pie so it can't be nutrisious [14:27] http://whatscookingamerica.net/Salad/BlueCheese.JPG cheese+blue colour [14:27] kirrus: We use PDU access only when the LOM's dead, which doesn't happen often. [14:28] who decided that eating mouldy cheese is a good idea? [14:29] ball: cool. I say PDU, but we've out own custom-coded interface to the things, so there is Big Red Buttons on certain webpages to reboot certain machines ;) [14:29] Probably somebody with an empty fridge [14:32] * czajkowski throws a bucket of smelly fish over davmor2 and runs away [14:33] gj [14:33] see now that was completely unprovoked attack there czajkowski so don't get trying to blame me for starting this war, /me throws a bucket of iced water of czajkowski [14:34] Myrtti: you okay? [14:34] * popey tickles Myrtti [14:36] yeah, just had pizza after a small stroll to see mum and taking some apples from her trees to her. No stone yet. Anyway, back to cleaning sawdust and sanding [14:40] That sudo doesn't seem to have the same process level as commands like "w" or "top" or "ps" is a bit of an issue it seems to me. I can watch my server processes but can't sudo to do anything. [14:42] * czajkowski hugs Myrtti [14:42] load avg now up to 47 and as a normal user I can move around the cli freely. But try to use sudo and the interface hangs. [14:43] su to root? [14:43] no passwd [14:43] oops [14:43] sudo -i [14:44] that stalls oimon [14:44] TheOpenSourcerer: I'd say you broked it [14:44] Anyone got a *very* long stick? [14:44] you broke the friday law [14:45] have you tried turning it off and on again? [14:46] TheOpenSourcerer: can you crash it? [14:46] hard as a normal user [14:49] TheOpenSourcerer: what kernel release are you on? :D [14:49] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2011-August/001399.html use one of them to crash it :D [14:50] http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2011-1581 maybe [14:53] how long have you waited for the sudo to work? [14:54] popey: Sorry on phone. AlanBell installed 11.04 on this server [14:54] yeah, that kernel bug relates to 11.04 [14:55] I have asked our customer (whose server it is) if he can go and give it a bloody big kick up the bottom. [14:56] Linux servername 2.6.38-11-server #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jul 29 19:20:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [14:58] how could I crash it AlanBell? Do some kind of recursive command to fill the memory or something? [14:58] popey: oh fixed my unity £D desktop issue [14:58] popey: by me I mean filbert :D [14:58] had to install unity it had vanished but could still see it on 2D [15:01] TheOpenSourcerer: dunno really, I was just suggesting non-conventional ways to shut it down [15:02] raising the temperature above the critical point would do it [15:02] anyone here bought a porch recently? [15:02] wondering if it's the same merry dance as double glazing quotes [15:04] TheOpenSourcerer: forkbomb sounds like it's already been run :D [15:15] This is weird though: http://paste.ubuntu.com/690883/ [15:17] I'm hoping our customer will wander downstairs in a mo and hit the big STOP button on the front of the server. [15:18] Then AlanBell can work out why 11.04 likes to commit suicide so much :-) [15:19] works for me :) [15:20] blimey TheOpenSourcerer that is some serious load :) [15:20] yeah. But no processor load nor memory starvation. [15:20] And there really isn't much running on the box [15:21] 11.04 server, denyhosts, postgres, openerp and apache. [15:21] diplo: It's now 48 :-) [15:21] yeah, more cron jobs [15:22] IO issue, hitting swap or something ? [15:22] wedged cron jobs [15:22] But it is really weird how as a normal user the cli is very responsive. [15:22] hmm no 0k used [15:22] Some bug there somewhere then :) [15:22] but try to sudo and it [the cli] stalls. [15:22] Any one ever have issues with ntpdate setting time to non bst ? [15:23] gord: scope → apps with filter games still shows nothing still [15:23] IE an hour slow [15:23] davmor2, yell at kamstrup on ayatana for me :) [15:24] davmor2, though it works fine here [15:25] gord one second let me check for updates before I start yelling then [15:27] It's almost certainly cron jobs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/690894/ [15:29] gord: I have a bunch of unity fixes so fingers crossed === schwuk_ is now known as schwuk [15:39] Does the wireless modem E153 work in the newest Ubuntu? [15:40] * it does not seem to recognize the device [15:40] * have it connected it right now to 11.04 [15:48] geekMePlease: a quick google revealed this, which might help? Sorry, don't have direct knowledge: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11134372 [16:02] What is the wireless program name in the newest Ubuntu in terminal? [16:02] wireless program name? [16:02] * there is no mark of my E153 -connection at the right-top corner [16:02] iwlist / iwconfig / nm-tool ? [16:02] popey: yes [16:03] ah, not that kind of wirelss? [16:03] 3G [16:03] popey: yes [16:06] There does not seem to be any driver for the modem E153 [16:06] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkManager/Hardware/3G [16:09] what have you tried? [16:10] [Jonathan Riddell] Tu Parle Bazaar? - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4480 [16:10] [Jonathan Riddell] 42,000 schools running Kubuntu derivative - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4481 [16:10] gord: Yay I can haz gamez [16:11] It seems to notice that it is a usb-modem but does not get it synced with Network tools: http://pastebin.com/nVX39DaC [16:12] popey: above [16:12] davmor2, :) [16:13] the driver is still on alpha -phase 0.7.2 [16:14] * ok, I will not buy the given modem. === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [16:22] AlanBell: The release party? Possibly. [16:22] AlanBell: When's the Farnborough drinks thing again? [16:29] issyl0: http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/ ? [16:30] issyl0: You mean the one next to popey 's house ? [16:30] 20/10/2011 [16:31] TheOpenSourcerer: That's the one, yeah. [16:31] TheOpenSourcerer: Oh yay! [16:32] I have an excuse not to go to the college party that isn't "I won't be able to get home unless I leave at 10." :P [16:32] lol [16:34] So, good timing, guys. :-)) [16:34] (It's very sad though, isn't it? :P) [16:35] issyl0: do you use that excuse a lot then? [16:35] MartijnVdS: No, but it's true! [16:36] MartijnVdS: OK, maybe not totally true: The last train from the town in which my college is to the town in which I live is at 11pm, but still, it's the principle... [16:36] issyl0: It's true here as well, if I leave after 23:00, I won't be able to get home (or, I will, but then I won't be able to drink, responsible driving etc.) [16:36] MartijnVdS: :-( [16:36] \o/ car though [16:36] Heh. [16:36] I'm having driving lessons. :-) [16:36] I can drink water all night if it's a good party :) [16:37] The car my parents were going to let me drive when I pass my test has just broken down, though. :P [16:37] MartijnVdS: Heh, water. \o/ [16:37] * MartijnVdS has a yellow SMART [16:38] like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Yellow_Smart_Fortwo_side.JPG [16:45] Hmmmm/. [16:46] Is it normal that the table headers are slightly offset from the actual columns on http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1277/detail/ ? [16:46] It annoys me. [16:47] issyl0: which table do you mean? [16:48] ooh the bottom one is all broken [16:48] * MartijnVdS blames AlanBell [16:48] The registration table. [16:48] Yeah. [16:48] heh yeah the headers are centred while the items are left aligned [16:48] that is annoying [16:48] it's because someone inserted an empty header cell instead of using colspan [16:48] gord: also, the header is wider than the contents [16:49] It doesn't look like the "edit" button works to edit the table, either, just the information about the event. [16:49] and it's the header that is left aligned and the contents is centered [16:49] what you should actually do is make everything centered and merge the empty cell with colspan=2 [16:50] issyl0: its already been filed as a bug [16:51] popey: Oh OK. :-) [16:51] popey: That's good then. [16:51] (I asked the same thing a few days ago) [16:51] popey: Aahh. [17:01] gord: issyl0 yeah, that is a column that has something to do with pictures of people [17:02] I reported the bug already [17:03] * brobostigon puts e4 on, for big bang theory, :) [17:03] bug 841790 [17:03] Launchpad bug 841790 in LoCo Team Directory "extra column in table header on attendee list" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/841790 [17:19] ^^ someone could confirm that if they like [17:24] bug #734520 [17:24] Launchpad bug 713873 in Launchpad itself "duplicate for #734520 (in API) Person.logo_link is hard to use and performs poorly" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/713873 [17:24] ^^ someone commented out the avatars to fix that bug, and forgot to remove the cell [17:27] * AlanBell pushes the fix [17:27] * AlanBell expects it won't get merged [17:27] you didn't sign over copyright to Canonical? [17:28] * issyl0 reports a Launchpad bug... [17:28] (It's been irritating me for ages; I've finally got around to reporting it.) [17:28] https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/852056 [17:28] Ubuntu bug 852056 in Launchpad itself "Colons at the end of details on "confirm logon" screen." [Undecided,New] [17:29] Anyone else? Or am I just a pedant? :P [17:29] let me check [17:29] * MartijnVdS confirms [17:30] "Does it affect you?" "Yes, deeply" [17:30] MartijnVdS: :D [17:30] MartijnVdS: Yay. :P [17:33] \o/ 90s week on the radio [17:34] Only songs from the 90s, for a week [17:35] Ace of Base! [17:35] Myrtti: http://www.3fmfan.nl/page/muziekstats for the playlist of the last few hours [17:36] they've only just started [17:41] Evening [17:41] \o daubster [17:54] Is torrenting a TV Episode or series illegal if you already have it recorded on a Tivo or V+ box from virgin Media, but want to have it stored on a media centre and plan to delete the recorded one from the relevant device? need help on the legality of this? [17:55] Neoti: don't ask us, ask someone who's trained in legal matters [17:59] * daubers tries to find his desk [18:10] [Jono Bacon] Getting Older - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/16/getting-older/ [18:15] Neoti: no [18:15] it's not illegal to download, it's technically a civil offence to upload however [18:16] but not criminal, and nobody has ever been prosecuted [18:24] so 12.04 will be the next LTs? [18:24] yeh [18:25] * hamitron is looking forward to it [18:25] i am just thinking about ubuntu server for my vps. [18:25] all my 32 bit machines will be slackware, then 64 bit and servers on ubuntu 12.04 [18:25] is my current plan [18:26] ooh QI tonight [18:26] and outnumbered, :) [18:27] i was considering going to the pub, but the tv is too good, [18:28] * daubers rips his OU course DVD to his HDD and phone [18:28] http://www.bcs.org/content/ConWebDoc/41634 issyl0 czajkowski [18:29] and anyone else in the London area interested in Ada Lovelace day stuff [18:41] canonical are investigating sorting out nibbles for the launch party \o/ [18:43] Hah! Didn't realise that the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band did a cover of "Crazy Words Crazy Tune" [18:44] cake :D [18:46] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/September%202011/2011-09-16_19.45.13.png is this normal for minecraft 1.8? [18:46] or is it a bug :/ [18:49] Azelphur: The magic darkness? [18:49]