[00:43] <bkerensa> I wonder who the Ubuntu People are :)
[00:43]  * bkerensa got a e-mail today from someone in Portland trying to install Ubuntu and he said he e-mailed the Ubuntu people and they directed him to me =o
[00:43] <seidos> huh
[00:44]  * seidos scratches mind made head
[00:44] <bkerensa> Kinda cool guy though... Gonna meet him at Starbucks on Sunday and give him a Ubuntu CD and Ubuntu User Magazine and invite him to LoCo stuff :D
[00:45] <seidos> green tea
[00:45] <seidos> it's good, and good for you
[00:50] <seidos> i got one of those starbucks cards, and had like 4 glasses
[00:51] <seidos> you can get a "for here" cup/glass at starbucks
[00:51] <seidos> makes starbucks more bar like, not that they have stools there
[03:21] <DarkwingDuck> Is the planet broken?
[03:35] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: yes, I submitted a ticket earlier today
[03:37] <DarkwingDuck> :/
[03:37] <DarkwingDuck> Just when I ran a call for translators.
[03:37] <DarkwingDuck> Oh well.
[03:38] <pleia2> I'm really hoping it's fixed soon, it's vital to how the community spreads news, and without it we have no ubuntu weekly newsletter either
[03:38] <DarkwingDuck> Oh I agree.
[03:38]  * DarkwingDuck mutters
[03:38] <DarkwingDuck> Know anyone looking for a mobile workstation?
[03:39] <DarkwingDuck> Looking to sell my ThinkPad W700
[03:39] <pleia2> specs?
[03:42] <DarkwingDuck> http://paste.kde.org/122113/ plus case and 2nd battery
[03:43] <DarkwingDuck> 1400 +shipping
[03:46] <DarkwingDuck> Or, trade for a Zareason Strata Pro 13 with 4gig ram + 8cell batt :P
[03:47] <DarkwingDuck> It's just the weight, I'm tired of lugging it around.
[03:47] <pleia2> vmx \o/
[03:47] <pleia2> heh, yeah
[03:47] <DarkwingDuck> It's close to 9 lbs.
[03:48] <DarkwingDuck> You saw it at SCaLE back in feb.
[03:48] <pleia2> the size is what really put me off to the larger strata pro, otherwise it's a great laptop
[03:49]  * pleia2 spoiled by netbook
[03:49] <DarkwingDuck> I want something light.
[03:52] <pleia2> I really love the form factor of the cr-48, it's light, decently-sized and has great battery life
[03:53] <DarkwingDuck> cr-48?
[03:55] <pleia2> the trial chromebook
[04:03] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhh
[04:34] <seidos> hey DarkwingDuck
[04:34] <seidos> hi everybody!
[04:43] <Mark___> hello?
[04:45] <DarkwingDuck> hi?
[04:46] <DarkwingDuck> hi
[04:46] <Mark___> hey :)
[04:47] <seidos> hi hey
[04:47] <seidos> gah, i don't know what to make of the world today.  i'm going to sleep early though.
[04:48] <seidos> still have stuff to do, though
[04:48] <DarkwingDuck> Trying to sell my laptop :(
[04:50] <seidos> why's that?
[04:50] <seidos> $?
[04:50] <DarkwingDuck> No, it's too heavy for me with stuff.
[04:50] <DarkwingDuck> So, I nee th $$ for a lighter lappy
[04:51] <DarkwingDuck> specs: http://paste.kde.org/122113/ comes with 2nd battery and case. It's a Lenovo ThinkPad W700
[04:51] <DarkwingDuck> 1400USD
[04:52] <seidos> Lenovo is chinese
[04:52] <seidos> i wonder what system76 or zareason's system are from
[04:52] <seidos> *where
[04:52] <Mark___> Lenovo's are pretty good quality though
[04:52] <seidos> ah, yeah, i have a 13", but i don't even take it anywhere since the battery essentially died, and cord is hanging by a thread
[04:52] <seidos> yeah, i hear good things about them
[04:53] <seidos> probably same specs as the IBMs
[04:53] <DarkwingDuck> Its nice
[04:53] <seidos> it's probably good to help out the local stores though if you can
[04:53] <seidos> not telling you what to do, just saying
[04:53] <seidos> i'm not even sure what i would get now if i had to buy a system
[04:54] <Mark___> i have a Lenovo ideapad y560
[04:54] <DarkwingDuck> If you know of anyone looking...
[04:54] <seidos> probably a 14" special
[04:54] <Mark___> i cant think of anyone :/
[04:54] <seidos> not that there are any stores around here that sell them
[04:54] <seidos> i can ask around at the ashram
[04:55] <Mark___> where in CA do u guys live?
[04:55] <DarkwingDuck> San Diego
[04:55] <Mark___> me too :)
[04:55] <DarkwingDuck> really? :)
[04:55] <Mark___> ya, north county san diego
[04:55] <DarkwingDuck> ahh, I'm down in Imperial Beach.
[04:56] <DarkwingDuck> On tuesday we are having an Ubuntu Hour
[04:56] <DarkwingDuck> In hillcrest.
[04:56] <seidos> did you try craigslist?
[04:56] <seidos> that's how i sold my old macbook pro
[04:56] <Mark___> i doubt ill be able to go because of school and football
[04:56] <seidos> oh Mark___ isn't MarkDude
[04:57] <seidos> i'm in LA
[04:58] <Mark___> ya, i just joined into this channel after using ubuntu for not really long, but ive known about it for a long time
[04:59] <DarkwingDuck> Not yet. I'm going to put it on craigslist tomorrow when I find my windowz CDs
[05:02] <seidos> hey akk
[05:02] <seidos> well, welcome Mark___
[05:03] <seidos> good luck DarkwingDuck, i sold my macbook pro for $1200 i think
[05:04] <gueriLLaPunK> near Sacramento here
[05:05] <seidos> sacramento, how's the new governor?
[05:06] <seidos> i forget his name, he's been working for the government for years though
[05:06] <seidos> i can kind of see his face though
[05:06] <seidos> ah, Jerry Brown
[05:07] <seidos> i think he used to be DA
[05:07] <seidos> oh, Attorney General
[05:08] <seidos> he's a catholic, hopefully he wasn't molested
[05:08] <seidos> wow, went to Yale, didn't know that
[05:10] <seidos> anyway, there really isn't any reason to stay up anymore
[05:10] <seidos> night all
[05:10] <gueriLLaPunK> lol wow
[05:10] <gueriLLaPunK> good night
[05:19] <Mark___> :/
[05:20] <Mark___> o hai :p
[07:01] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: btw, I'll get the banner and tablecloth shipped down next week (need to find a tube to fit the banner, it's larger than the ones jdeslip made)
[07:08] <pleia2> ok, heading toward bed now
[16:34] <bkerensa> \o/ MarkDude is here
[16:35]  * MarkDude is here
[16:35] <MarkDude> almost over jet lag
[16:35] <MarkDude> stayed in Ohio toooo long
[16:35] <seidos> you're alive!
[16:40] <MarkDude> yes
[16:40] <MarkDude> hey there seidos
[16:41] <seidos> pat on the head, a scratch behind the ear
[16:41] <raevol> HAPPY FRIDAY
[16:41] <seidos> venus lock
[16:41] <seidos> haven't sat under a tree today, but that's the plan for later
[16:42] <seidos> like rip van winkle
[16:42] <pleia2> friday++
[16:43] <seidos> sunday, moonday, mars day, mercury day, thor day, venus day, saturn day
[16:43] <raevol> mers = tir?
[16:43] <seidos> friday probably is the best
[16:43] <raevol> mercury = odin?
[16:43] <raevol> venus = friiga?
[16:43] <raevol> frigga*
[16:44] <bkerensa> =o
[16:45] <seidos> i think
[16:45] <pleia2> raevol: what do you do that you're always so excited for 5PM to come? if you don't mind me asking
[16:46] <raevol> customer service :)
[16:46] <raevol> pleia2: it's like working with kids, except the kids have a massive sense of entitlement and know cuss words
[16:47] <pleia2> ah, customer service will do that :)
[16:47] <raevol> yea, and it's for a web service, so the kids also don't know how to use computers
[16:47] <pleia2> oh boy
[16:47] <raevol> and tend to be small business owners, so that sense of entitlement is amplified
[16:47]  * pleia2 nods
[16:48] <raevol> know anywhere that's hiring? :) i'm smart and cute!
[16:48] <pleia2> haha, where are you located? what's your expertise?
[16:48] <raevol> san diego, trying to move to san francisco, but either works
[16:49] <raevol> expertise in LINUX, web design, IT, dance, acting, film, A/V, Djing, customer service
[16:50] <raevol> also sound design
[16:50] <pleia2> quite the diversity there :)
[16:50] <raevol> also writing, currently enrolled in a technical communication certification
[16:52] <bkerensa> Talend is hiring in the Bay Area
[16:52] <bkerensa> http://www.talend.com/jobs/jobs-talend.php
[16:52] <seidos> the economic club of washington d.c.:  http://economicclub.org
[16:52] <bkerensa> I know their Community Manager and the company supports FOSS
[16:52] <bkerensa> :)
[16:53] <bkerensa> Talend (Even though they are California based) paid for Ubuntu Oregon's Booth Electric
[16:53] <raevol> hmm, i don't think i qualify for any of those side from possibly the sales one, and i want to get out of sales :(
[16:54] <seidos> what's so bad about sales?
[16:54] <seidos> do you have to sell your soul to survive?
[16:55] <raevol> i don't like convincing people to buy things, because i don't like to buy things
[16:55] <raevol> i also don't like convincing people
[16:56] <seidos> yeah, me neither.  but that could be fine if the job has a base salary to it.
[16:56] <pleia2> sales certainly takes a certain kind of person
[16:57] <seidos> i remember when i worked in a/v, there was like 1 nice salesman, and he was stressed perpetually
[16:57] <seidos> he would put his reputation on the line, try to be the customer's friend, then would stress if the company failed to deliver
[16:57] <seidos> and fail it did at one point
[16:58] <seidos> it seems like sales should really be "spreading the word", anyway, preaching to the choir i bet
[16:59] <raevol> i agree, if people don't come to you already interested in your product, you've failed somewhere other than sales
[17:00] <grantbow> fyi, live talk with Tiff, some friends and I in #dreamfish if anyone cares to talk with us
[17:04] <nhaines> Hmm, not necessarily.  There are plenty of reasons a customer might not be interested but you can definitely get them excited for your product.
[17:05] <raevol> you can, for sure, but that's the part i don't like doing :) unless it's a really amazing product that i use myself
[17:05] <seidos> yeah, if you aren't willing to use the product yourself, something is wrong
[17:06] <nhaines> It may not be a product that you need.
[17:07] <seidos> well, it can get complicated.  but convincing someone that they need something they don't is a big problem
[17:08] <pleia2> nhaines: at all interested in doing a User Days session next Saturday? :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/natty
[17:09] <pleia2> our last slot is at 3PM
[17:09] <nhaines> Haha, one slot left eh?  Maybe.  :)
[17:09] <nhaines> Any topics they're looking for?
[17:10] <pleia2> we don't have a "Switching from another OS" talk yet (just an Ubuntu Equivalent Programs) one
[17:10] <nhaines> Hmm.  I could probably do that.
[17:10] <pleia2> another popular one was how to install trusted software
[17:11] <nhaines> Heh, it's getting harder to do that since I switched 6 years ago.  :)
[17:11] <pleia2> so using software center, why you shouldn't implicitly trust PPAs (but you can somteimes!), discussing random tarballs you find online...
[17:11] <nhaines> I'll do "switching from another OS" because I can talk about backups and I work for Western Digital so I know backups.  :)
[17:11] <nhaines> I can throw in Software Center stuff.
[17:11] <pleia2> cool, software center stuff is always confusing for people coming from windows
[17:12] <pleia2> (then again, most people understand "app store" now)
[17:12] <pleia2> ok, adding you to the schedule now! thanks :)
[17:12] <nhaines> You're welcome.  :)
[17:12] <akk> Backups and software center seem interesting enough to deserve a session, without cloaking it in being "switching from".
[17:13] <akk> There might be people interested in those topics who have long since switched.
[17:13] <nhaines> Ninja backup training!
[17:14] <pleia2> I was assuming he meant "back up stuff before you install ubuntu" rather than a comprehensive exploration of backups in linux itself
[17:15] <akk> Oh! I thought he meant backups once in ubuntu.
[17:15] <nhaines> akk: I was going to cover both.  :)
[17:15] <nhaines> also pleia2 ^^
[17:16] <pleia2> sounds good
[17:17] <pleia2> it is complete \o/
[17:17] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/natty
[17:17] <pleia2> ok, back to work
[17:17] <nhaines> \o/
[17:22] <nhaines> Now I just have to remember to write a script.  :)
[18:16]  * MarkDude just saw a spider in the garden grab a big ass bug that would have been eating the plants
[18:16] <pleia2> spiders++
[18:16]  * MarkDude thanked the spider, and thought of you seidos 
[18:17] <MarkDude> The whole circle of life thing
[18:17] <MarkDude> :)
[18:18] <MarkDude> Right after walking into bigass spider web- face first. Nothing like spider to the face to make you lose your cool and jump around waving wlidly
[18:18] <akk> spiders are good. Especially outdoors and not dangling in front of my screen.
[18:18] <akk> oh, yeah, and not getting caught in your face and clothes as you walk by
[18:18] <MarkDude> True akk, there is a minimum safe distance they can be appreciated
[18:19] <MarkDude> How are your gooseberries doing?
[18:19] <seidos> i really should only be scared of widows and recluses
[18:19]  * MarkDude has all sorts of flowers, and maybe 8 plants
[18:19] <akk> Excellently, thanks! The original one is a big bush (it's still two plants) ... lots of berries on it though none have dropped recently.
[18:19] <seidos> but biology makes this a challenge
[18:20] <akk> Then I have two youngsters that grew from seed -- one of them is almost as big as the original was when you gave it to me.
[18:20] <MarkDude> seidos: well scared is relative. I was certainly startled with having one on my face.
[18:20] <akk> (They're still indoors in pots, but I just repotted both of them to bigger pots)
[18:21] <akk> And a tiny sprout in the kitchen window that lives but isn't growing -- probably needs to be repotted.
[18:21] <MarkDude> They grow at weird rates. They deal with wilting rather well
[18:21] <akk> Yes, I've noticed that if I have to be out of town for too long in hot weather, they don't die, they just stop growing and hold steady until they get more water.
[18:21] <akk> Wonderful plants. :)
[18:22] <seidos> MarkDude: even webs bother me, and it takes will to remain calm.
[18:23] <seidos> so, yeah, as long as one doesn't panic, i guess a little fear isn't a problem
[18:23] <MarkDude> Well properness in panic
[18:24] <seidos> i remember when i was a kid i investigated a spider web, and then felt something on my leg and saw it crawling on my ankle
[18:24] <seidos> freaked me out
[18:24] <seidos> did the "freaky spider mambo"
[18:24] <MarkDude> Spider on me was time to wave web off me wildly. Moments later tho, seeing spider with bug in web- THAT spider had no panic to offer, just help for the garden.
[18:25] <seidos> i'm better about it these days, but there is still uncertainty
[18:25] <seidos> there was a black and white spider on a friend's hand the other day
[18:25] <seidos> he's in his 60s, and calmly asked "do you know what kind of spider that is?"
[18:26] <MarkDude> Your Buddhist edge can appreciate the eating spider should not startle you. As long as you SEE his web
[18:26] <seidos> it had the shape of a black widow, but white spots on the abdomen
[18:26] <MarkDude> lol
[18:26]  * MarkDude is not quite that cool with spiders- wish I was tho
[18:26] <seidos> no kidding
[18:26] <seidos> i'm pretty cool with bees
[18:27] <seidos> one landed on me the other day and it didn't bother me
[18:27] <seidos> wasps are different story
[18:29]  * MarkDude likes watching bees gather pollen on flowers
[18:30] <MarkDude> Geeknic next weekend- sat in Los Gatos
[18:30] <akk> \o/
[18:30] <MarkDude> FB is archiving the Gidget Kitchen group :(
[18:31] <seidos> i made a new card
[18:31] <MarkDude> I use FB all the time- but I almost felt like using the word hate to describe some of their changes, instead will use word annoyed
[18:31] <seidos> need to find some heavier paper to print them on
[18:31] <seidos> facebook = irc + picassa?
[18:32] <MarkDude> seidos: Kinkos will let you buy a few loose sheets- in varying colors
[18:32] <seidos> and maybe a text file for your contacts
[18:32] <seidos> MarkDude: cool, i should find one around here.  will go after lunch
[18:32] <seidos> i also re-registered to vote today as an independent
[18:32] <seidos> i took an extra voter registration card
[18:33] <MarkDude> Well it is time for me to re-do long term GK plan, and start asking for help
[18:33] <seidos> i need to brainstorm a shorter URL for fictionalphilosophy
[18:34] <seidos> nobody remembers it by name
[18:34] <seidos> most of the people i run into these days could care less though, they are more interested in jobs
[18:35] <MarkDude> Well forget numbers- one person caring is enough, IMHO
[18:35] <seidos> maybe i should start hanging out in beverly hills more
[18:36] <seidos> one person caring is sufficient, but imagination hopes for bigger and better things for all parties
[18:36] <seidos> perhaps separation is ultimately necessary
[18:36] <MarkDude> Affluence does help some things in life happen. Not all of course.
[18:36] <seidos> i'm not even talking about affluence, just minimum wage :)
[18:37]  * MarkDude needs to hang out more with rich folks, their donations can help GK and Partimus 
[18:37] <seidos> i read poverty level is the highest its been in 17 years
[18:37] <seidos> the idea is, get money, hire someone
[18:37] <MarkDude> Well yes, not that you would be affluent, just more they might have more job offers than say South Central LA
[18:38] <MarkDude> % wise
[18:38] <seidos> USC is in south central
[18:38] <seidos> they had a lot of bikes there, i think i went on a tuesday
[18:39] <akk> All colleges have a lot of bikes.
[18:40] <seidos> not so
[18:40] <seidos> you have to see it, it's like swarming
[18:40] <seidos> ucla, cerritos, csulb, nothing like it
[18:40] <seidos> when i was at stanford, and berkeley too
[18:41] <MarkDude> Portland feels like the whole town is swarming with bikes
[18:41] <seidos> maybe it was winter break
[18:41] <seidos> i wonder if denver is the same
[18:41] <seidos> did you ever get a pair of vibram five finger akk?
[18:42] <seidos> i'm not sure how much they are these days, but i'm finding vans to be sufficient up to 5 miles
[18:42] <seidos> they will have to do
[18:42] <akk> no, those things are way too expensive and I don't think I want the separate toes thing
[18:42] <seidos> yeah, they are kind of gimmicky.
[18:42] <seidos> when i ran barefoot i found the bottom of my feet got raw, nothing else
[18:42] <akk> I've been doing occasional barefoot walks, but I still want to find a way to make a soft-soled shoe (like the moccassins I used to have).
[18:43] <seidos> hmmm, yeah, even the vans i have are pretty thick, but they're lighter than most shoes, and they're cheap
[18:43] <akk> Nobody seems to sell them, but I saw a moccassin-making kit at Michael's that I might try.
[18:43] <seidos> there's an idea
[18:43]  * MarkDude misses living near beach. Running barefoot in the sand is rather good for your feet
[18:43] <akk> It is! I wish I had sand nearby.
[18:43] <seidos> yeah, running on the beach is pretty low impact
[18:44] <seidos> running on grass is pretty good too, but there really aren't stretches of grass here
[18:44] <seidos> and if they are, you have to run to get to them o_o
[18:45] <MarkDude> lol
[18:45] <seidos> i've been riding the bike quite a bit
[18:45] <akk> I love the barefoot-on-grass feel, but large expanses of grass around here are likely to have dog poop bombs hidden in them. :(
[18:45] <seidos> a sikh helped fix my brothers old one
[18:45] <seidos> i'm less concerned over dog poop than i am of sharp stones and glass
[18:46] <MarkDude> crap happens
[18:46] <seidos> i've stepped in poop barefoot, it isn't so bad
[18:46] <seidos> >_<
[18:46] <akk> d and I found the most amazing grass a few days ago! Went for a walk (with shoes) near the SJ heritage rose garden
[18:47] <akk> and they had this weird grass, super long blades (like a foot or longer) lying sideways in little piles
[18:47] <akk> and it was super springy/cushiony, like walking on pillows
[18:47] <seidos> a sikh i met wants to go hiking, but, i dunno
[18:47] <seidos> i think i should be meditating more
[18:47] <seidos> sounds surreal
[18:47] <seidos> pillow grass o_o
[18:47] <seidos> like a dream
[18:48] <seidos> there's a trail here that i know of, but it's dirt trails, not really meadow like
[18:48] <seidos> sounds like something pretty unique to your area
[18:48] <seidos> jealous me steals SJ from you
[18:48] <seidos> muahaha
[18:48] <akk> No, I'm pretty sure it's just a type of grass people can plant -- I'd read about it before but never walked on it.
[18:49] <seidos> personally i think we should plant life grow more around here
[18:49] <seidos> everyone's yard has like a proverbial crew cut or a flat top
[18:49] <seidos> but, letting stuff grow may mean less jobs...sooo, something else would need to be done
[18:49] <seidos> *let
[18:50] <akk> I don't much like mowed grass either ... I like things a bit wilder.
[18:50] <nhaines> Guess what I just signed for here at my cubicle?  http://ubuntuone.com/5jesYEs93iNlFkwLq67Op9
[18:53] <grantbow> nice
[18:53] <pleia2> hehe
[18:55] <seidos> let me know when telekinesis is working
[18:55] <seidos> or better yet, i remember reading a clone wars novel, and some jedi master had a wound on his hand, and he just stared at it and made it feel better
[18:56] <akk> Wow, it is not easy to identify grasses with google. I give up trying to find this stuff.
[18:56] <seidos> that would be a useful skill
[18:56] <seidos> maybe hash is the best grass to grow
[18:56] <seidos> make sails and "juice"
[18:56] <seidos> or hemp, rather
[18:56] <seidos> hash is probably a different strain
[18:57] <seidos> the evil kind
[18:57] <seidos> exeunt
[18:58] <akk> Something that gets you arrested is probably not the best plant to grow in the yard.
[19:46] <philipballew> is there anything different that happens if i enter sudo su then if i enter just sudo with each command?
[19:51] <pleia2> strictly speaking "sudo su" (not "sudo su -") wouldn't be a huge difference, you will be able to do things like pipes and command redirects which are tricker with sudo
[19:51] <pleia2> and it won't log your commands to auth.log
[19:51] <pleia2> (sudo logs to auth.log, awesome for systems with shared administration via sudo)
[19:52] <pleia2> "sudo su" also logs to the /root/.bash_history rather than /home/user/.bash.history
[19:52] <pleia2> s/bash.history/bash_history
[19:59] <philipballew> dropping to a root shell is easier sometimes
[19:59] <philipballew> but only for convience
[20:00] <philipballew> yet I like to know what i have typed in before
[21:10] <bkerensa> Anyone in San Francisco wanna go to the TwilioCon After Party? I got a link for free tickets... Maybe a good opp to advocate for Ubuntu? pleia2?
[21:12] <bkerensa> Big SF Tech Party for any Ubuntu Users in the Bay Area: http://www.twilio.com/conference/ringdown/
[21:53] <pleia2> bkerensa: thans anyway, but it's hard enough to get me to go to after parties of conferences I attend ;)
[21:54] <pleia2> s/than/thanks
[21:54] <bkerensa> pleia2: What... Thats the best part of conferences that and the networking opportunity in the hallways
[21:54] <pleia2> oh bah
[21:54] <bkerensa> :D
[21:54] <bkerensa> lol
[21:54] <pleia2> bkerensa: oh no, I am very shy
[21:54] <bkerensa> :)
[21:54] <raevol> why would you go to conferences if you don't go to parties :P
[21:55] <raevol> this is like why would you do theater if you don't go to the cast party
[21:55] <bkerensa> idk right raevol?
[21:55] <pleia2> I go to conferences to learn things and collaborate!
[21:55] <bkerensa> Why would you buy salad and not buy ranch dressing :D
[21:55] <pleia2> parties are not my scene :)
[21:55]  * bkerensa goes to network
[21:55] <bkerensa> Learning for me is book based or DIY :)
[21:55] <raevol> i tend to do more learning and collaborating at the parties
[21:56]  * bkerensa learned that giant sized robotic metal spiders that blow flames do exist at a OSCON party
[21:56] <raevol> link?
[21:56]  * bkerensa finds a flickr pic
[21:58] <pleia2> it's sad that I miss opportunities to network, but I'm really not very good at it and I'm much happier hiding from people at the end of the day
[21:59] <bkerensa> raevol: http://imgur.com/ESQOw <-- Robotic Giant Sized Metal Spider that blows 15 foot flames :D
[21:59] <raevol> sounds like you need some self confidence
[21:59] <bkerensa> =o
[21:59] <raevol> bkerensa: it's everything that i hoped and dreamed
[22:00] <bkerensa> raevol: It was scary because in addition to that they had this flame cannons all around the party that were periodically shooting fire balls and making very loud popping noises
[22:00]  * bkerensa was concerned that the pyro guys might make a mistake
[22:00] <raevol> hmm
[22:00] <raevol> hahahha
[22:00] <pleia2> raevol: just shy and an introvert, self confidence is grand but still doesn't change that I am not great with people and need serious recharge time after a day full of conferenceness :)
[22:01] <pleia2> there are reasons I'm a sysadmin and not a community manager ;)
[22:01] <raevol> hmm i see
[22:01] <pleia2> but IRC is ok, I'm not shy on IRC
[22:02] <nhaines> pleia2: that is why Ubucon is so exhausting for me.
[22:02] <pleia2> nhaines: I bet!
[22:02] <nhaines> Doing intros and outros is a blast and Q&A with jokes is a BLAST but man, that's more social time than I used to pack into SCaLE itself.
[22:03] <raevol> i want to go to scale this year so bad
[22:04] <pleia2> scale is cool
[22:04] <nhaines> This is probably the most egregious retconning of the Star Wars trilogy yet!  http://i.imgur.com/xWweh.gif
[22:05] <pleia2> haha, oh nooo
[22:06] <nhaines> pleia2: :)
[22:07] <nhaines> pleia2: also I think you meant "No.  Nooooo!"
[22:08] <pleia2> lol
[22:08] <pleia2> indeed
[22:08] <pleia2> also, do you know how many times I've bought star wars already?
[22:08]  * pleia2 sticks with the DVDs for now
[22:10] <nhaines> pleia2: I have the THX-enhanced ones (P&S boo!) and then the Special Edition on VHS, I have all of them on DVD (but German copy of Episode I) and now I have the Blu-rays.
[22:11] <nhaines> pleia2: the worst thing about Ubucon is in addition to the intros and Q&A where I'm talking and being personable to every single person in the room at least once, people insist on talking to me between sessions!
[22:12] <raevol> social interaction quotient exceeded
[22:12] <raevol> so i'm a salsa dancer
[22:12] <raevol> and sometimes when out dancing some girl will get too talkative
[22:13] <raevol> so then you just ask her to dance and that ends the conversation
[22:13] <raevol> pretty effective
[22:13] <nhaines> I already don't sleep well the night before, plus picking up my videographer adds an extra hour to the commute.  :P
[22:15] <bkerensa> pleia2: I'm shy when it comes to talking
[22:15] <bkerensa> pleia2: as in public speeches.... I get all shaky and uhh nervous :)
[22:15] <nhaines> bkerensa: that's the easiest time to talk!
[22:15] <bkerensa> pleia2: But 1 on 1 or small groups is no big deal
[22:16] <nhaines> Everyone's there to see you and they're hanging on every word!
[22:16] <bkerensa> LOL
[22:16] <bkerensa> exactly
[22:16] <nhaines> If you take a moment to compose a thought, the silence actually focuses their attention and builds anticipation!
[22:16] <bkerensa> nhaines: Yeah and projector helps too :D
[22:18] <nhaines> During a Powerpoint class I was teaching I talked about how a prop like a water bottle can be a good friend if you need to compose a thought, and of course, the one secret weapon, the most powerful tool you can ever use is-- *drink water calmly, make eye contact all around* -- the dramatic pause.
[22:19] <pleia2> nhaines: I had the trilogy on CED (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitance_Electronic_Disc) too, that's how I first saw it
[22:19] <nhaines> pleia2: I read about that once in a book!
[22:21] <pleia2> nhaines: I didn't actually know what they were called until a couple years ago, people always thought I was talking about laserdiscs when I explained CEDs ;)
[22:21] <pleia2> "The format was commonly known as "videodisc", leading to much confusion with the contemporary Laserdisc format"
[22:21] <nhaines> pleia2: they are videodiscs.  :)
[22:21] <pleia2> indeed!
[22:22] <nhaines> pleia2: I think I first saw Star Wars broadcast on KTLA channel 5.
[22:22] <nhaines> I remember being like 7 or so and just sort of amazed at the boarding of the cruiser and how real everything looked and how scary Darth Vader was.
[22:23] <pleia2> bkerensa: I'm with nhaines, public speaking is easier if you practice and are prepared, my issue is conversation without a point or goal, with a presentation these things are very clear
[22:23] <pleia2> it takes some time getting over being nervous, but there are lots of great books about public speaking
[22:24] <nhaines> pleia2: oh, I use silence as a weapon if the audience isn't focusing, haha.
[22:24] <pleia2> nhaines: darth vader gave me nightmares! but I think I was too oblivious to the world to notice that things looked real, why wouldn't they look real? movies look real. :)
[22:24] <pleia2> daleks gave me worse nightmares though
[22:24]  * bkerensa is getting a ChromeBook from Samsung next week :) for free :D Google failed me 
[22:25] <pleia2> I am still kind of scared of daleks :)
[22:25] <nhaines> pleia2: it was something about the visceral sound the blasters made, and the way the bolts threw sparks when they hit the guys (that's been largely edited out since).
[22:27] <pleia2> did they ever released non-special edition dvds of the original trilogy?
[22:27] <pleia2> I know there were rumors about it, I never followed through with actually figuring that out
[22:28] <nhaines> pleia2: yes!  They are letterboxed 4:3 transfers of the Laserdisc releases.
[22:28] <nhaines> Wanted to buy them but couldn't bring myself to do so.  :P
[22:30] <pleia2> nhaines: ah, this? http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Trilogy-Widescreen-Theatrical/dp/B001EN71DG/ref=sr_1_3?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1316212157&sr=1-3
[22:30] <nhaines> pleia2: those're the ones.
[22:31] <bkerensa> Have any of you been down to George Lucas studios in SF?
[22:31] <pleia2> bah, too late now to get them
[22:31] <bkerensa> at the presidio
[22:31] <nhaines> pleia2: you still can, if you hate money.
[22:31] <pleia2> haha
[22:31] <pleia2> bkerensa: no, I don't think it's really a place you can visit
[22:32] <pleia2> they won't shoot you like at skywalker ranch in marin though ;)
[22:32] <bkerensa> why could one not visit?
[22:32] <pleia2> isn't it just an office?
[22:32] <bkerensa> nah
[22:32] <bkerensa> full studios
[22:33] <bkerensa> they do a lot of production for upcoming stuff there I thought?
[22:33] <pleia2> you can't just walk into studios either!
[22:33] <pleia2> :)
[22:34] <bkerensa> e-mail their PR people :P
[22:34] <pleia2> it's near Starfleet Academy
[22:34] <pleia2> :P
[22:34] <bkerensa> oh geez my printer ink alarm went off
[22:34] <bkerensa> :(
[22:34] <bkerensa> no more ink
[22:35] <pleia2> Dear PR people, I LIKE STAR WARS, CAN I VISIT? THANKS.
[22:35] <pleia2> (PS: take back the prequels)
[22:35] <pleia2> (PPS: lego starwars is cool though)
[22:36] <nhaines> bwahaha
[22:36] <nhaines> pleia2: Star Wars: The Clone Wars is pretty nifty though.
[22:36] <pleia2> there is a walt disney museum in the presidio, I've been meaning to go to that
[22:36] <nhaines> Especially once they calmed the heck down on just quoting catchphrases from the films.
[22:36] <pleia2> nhaines: yeah, my cousin was telling me that recently, I am skeptical but I'll probably give it a chance eventually
[22:37] <nhaines> pleia2: they're *fun*.  It's like walking into Episode III and the first 30 minutes are just really fun, like the OT.
[22:37] <nhaines> pleia2: also the Jar Jar episode is hilarious.
[22:37] <pleia2> oh dear
[22:37] <nhaines> Or maybe that's Anthony Daniels.  But they don't tone down Jar Jar at all.  :)
[22:38] <pleia2> I think I'm mostly mad at the prequels for making me hate anakin
[22:39] <pleia2> he was not at all likable
[22:40] <pleia2> oh hey, I still have work to do
[22:44] <nhaines> pleia2: maybe I would be disappointed by watching Unhook the Stars again, but I'm fairly certain Jake Lloyd could act.
[22:44] <nhaines> But I can clearly identify performance issues from him in Episode I which were director issues.
[22:45] <nhaines> And I *know* Natalie Portman and Liam Neeson can act.
[22:45] <pleia2> same with medium anakin, that actor could act elsewhere too
[22:45] <pleia2> yeah
[22:46] <nhaines> Not sure about Temura Morrison but his redubs of Jeremy Bullochs' lines in Empire are so flat that it *can't* be anything but Lucas's fault.
[22:46] <nhaines> All he had to do was give the same delivery but in his voice.  :P
[22:46] <pleia2> and Ewan McGregor is always hot! I mean a good actor!
[22:47] <nhaines> haha
[22:47] <nhaines> I don't think I've seen him in anything else but he does a fine Sir Alec Guiness impression and does a really good job in the prequels.
[22:48] <pleia2> he's been in a lot, probably best known for Trainspotting though
[22:48] <nhaines> pleia2: what's sort of odd is the German dub, listening to his voice actor try an impression of Ewan McGregor doing an impression of Sir Alec Guiness.
[22:49] <pleia2> lol
[22:49] <pleia2> nice
[22:51] <nhaines> pleia2: the first time I watched it, when Watto showed up speaking Huttese, the subtitles came up in German and it broke my mind.
[22:51] <nhaines> (I was watching without subtitles to that point.)
[22:52] <pleia2> haha
[22:54] <nhaines> If I remember correctly, the German voice actor does all the German and Huttese lines, and then for Sebulba who only speaks in Huttese they just leave the original voice actor.
[22:54] <nhaines> Also, the kid who did the dub for young Anakin did a spectacular job.
[22:54] <nhaines> Better than Jake Lloyd.
[22:55] <pleia2> http://www.frys.com/product/6488722?site=frysecampaign is tempting
[22:55] <nhaines> (Not fair?  Jake was 9ish and the German kid was a popular voice actor and 13ish)
[22:55] <pleia2> but noooo, waiting for super battery life laptops
[22:56] <nhaines> ooh, tempting...  and my laptop has been really grinding along lately...
[23:35] <DarkwingDuck> This is a good laptop: http://www.ebay.com/itm/290610810117?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 :P:P
[23:35] <DarkwingDuck> if someone sells it I'll denote 100 bucks via paypal.
[23:37] <pleia2> the $300 laptop is beyond my budget already :)
[23:37] <DarkwingDuck> lol