[00:43] I wonder who the Ubuntu People are :) [00:43] * bkerensa got a e-mail today from someone in Portland trying to install Ubuntu and he said he e-mailed the Ubuntu people and they directed him to me =o [00:43] huh [00:44] * seidos scratches mind made head [00:44] Kinda cool guy though... Gonna meet him at Starbucks on Sunday and give him a Ubuntu CD and Ubuntu User Magazine and invite him to LoCo stuff :D [00:45] green tea [00:45] it's good, and good for you [00:50] i got one of those starbucks cards, and had like 4 glasses [00:51] you can get a "for here" cup/glass at starbucks [00:51] makes starbucks more bar like, not that they have stools there === seidos is now known as Hume === Hume is now known as seidos [03:21] Is the planet broken? [03:35] DarkwingDuck: yes, I submitted a ticket earlier today [03:37] :/ [03:37] Just when I ran a call for translators. [03:37] Oh well. [03:38] I'm really hoping it's fixed soon, it's vital to how the community spreads news, and without it we have no ubuntu weekly newsletter either [03:38] Oh I agree. [03:38] * DarkwingDuck mutters [03:38] Know anyone looking for a mobile workstation? [03:39] Looking to sell my ThinkPad W700 [03:39] specs? [03:42] http://paste.kde.org/122113/ plus case and 2nd battery [03:43] 1400 +shipping [03:46] Or, trade for a Zareason Strata Pro 13 with 4gig ram + 8cell batt :P [03:47] It's just the weight, I'm tired of lugging it around. [03:47] vmx \o/ [03:47] heh, yeah [03:47] It's close to 9 lbs. [03:48] You saw it at SCaLE back in feb. [03:48] the size is what really put me off to the larger strata pro, otherwise it's a great laptop [03:49] * pleia2 spoiled by netbook [03:49] I want something light. [03:52] I really love the form factor of the cr-48, it's light, decently-sized and has great battery life [03:53] cr-48? [03:55] the trial chromebook [04:03] ahhhh [04:34] hey DarkwingDuck [04:34] hi everybody! [04:43] hello? [04:45] hi? [04:46] hi [04:46] hey :) [04:47] hi hey [04:47] gah, i don't know what to make of the world today. i'm going to sleep early though. [04:48] still have stuff to do, though [04:48] Trying to sell my laptop :( [04:50] why's that? [04:50] $? [04:50] No, it's too heavy for me with stuff. [04:50] So, I nee th $$ for a lighter lappy [04:51] specs: http://paste.kde.org/122113/ comes with 2nd battery and case. It's a Lenovo ThinkPad W700 [04:51] 1400USD [04:52] Lenovo is chinese [04:52] i wonder what system76 or zareason's system are from [04:52] *where [04:52] Lenovo's are pretty good quality though [04:52] ah, yeah, i have a 13", but i don't even take it anywhere since the battery essentially died, and cord is hanging by a thread [04:52] yeah, i hear good things about them [04:53] probably same specs as the IBMs [04:53] Its nice [04:53] it's probably good to help out the local stores though if you can [04:53] not telling you what to do, just saying [04:53] i'm not even sure what i would get now if i had to buy a system [04:54] i have a Lenovo ideapad y560 [04:54] If you know of anyone looking... [04:54] probably a 14" special [04:54] i cant think of anyone :/ [04:54] not that there are any stores around here that sell them [04:54] i can ask around at the ashram [04:55] where in CA do u guys live? [04:55] San Diego [04:55] me too :) [04:55] really? :) [04:55] ya, north county san diego [04:55] ahh, I'm down in Imperial Beach. [04:56] On tuesday we are having an Ubuntu Hour [04:56] In hillcrest. [04:56] did you try craigslist? [04:56] that's how i sold my old macbook pro [04:56] i doubt ill be able to go because of school and football [04:56] oh Mark___ isn't MarkDude [04:57] i'm in LA [04:58] ya, i just joined into this channel after using ubuntu for not really long, but ive known about it for a long time [04:59] Not yet. I'm going to put it on craigslist tomorrow when I find my windowz CDs [05:02] hey akk [05:02] well, welcome Mark___ [05:03] good luck DarkwingDuck, i sold my macbook pro for $1200 i think [05:04] near Sacramento here [05:05] sacramento, how's the new governor? [05:06] i forget his name, he's been working for the government for years though [05:06] i can kind of see his face though [05:06] ah, Jerry Brown [05:07] i think he used to be DA [05:07] oh, Attorney General [05:08] he's a catholic, hopefully he wasn't molested [05:08] wow, went to Yale, didn't know that [05:10] anyway, there really isn't any reason to stay up anymore [05:10] night all [05:10] lol wow [05:10] good night [05:19] :/ [05:20] o hai :p [07:01] DarkwingDuck: btw, I'll get the banner and tablecloth shipped down next week (need to find a tube to fit the banner, it's larger than the ones jdeslip made) [07:08] ok, heading toward bed now [16:34] \o/ MarkDude is here [16:35] * MarkDude is here [16:35] almost over jet lag [16:35] stayed in Ohio toooo long [16:35] you're alive! [16:40] yes [16:40] hey there seidos [16:41] pat on the head, a scratch behind the ear [16:41] HAPPY FRIDAY [16:41] venus lock [16:41] haven't sat under a tree today, but that's the plan for later [16:42] like rip van winkle [16:42] friday++ [16:43] sunday, moonday, mars day, mercury day, thor day, venus day, saturn day [16:43] mers = tir? [16:43] friday probably is the best [16:43] mercury = odin? [16:43] venus = friiga? [16:43] frigga* [16:44] =o [16:45] i think [16:45] raevol: what do you do that you're always so excited for 5PM to come? if you don't mind me asking [16:46] customer service :) [16:46] pleia2: it's like working with kids, except the kids have a massive sense of entitlement and know cuss words [16:47] ah, customer service will do that :) [16:47] yea, and it's for a web service, so the kids also don't know how to use computers [16:47] oh boy [16:47] and tend to be small business owners, so that sense of entitlement is amplified [16:47] * pleia2 nods [16:48] know anywhere that's hiring? :) i'm smart and cute! [16:48] haha, where are you located? what's your expertise? [16:48] san diego, trying to move to san francisco, but either works [16:49] expertise in LINUX, web design, IT, dance, acting, film, A/V, Djing, customer service [16:50] also sound design [16:50] quite the diversity there :) [16:50] also writing, currently enrolled in a technical communication certification [16:52] Talend is hiring in the Bay Area [16:52] http://www.talend.com/jobs/jobs-talend.php [16:52] the economic club of washington d.c.: http://economicclub.org [16:52] I know their Community Manager and the company supports FOSS [16:52] :) [16:53] Talend (Even though they are California based) paid for Ubuntu Oregon's Booth Electric [16:53] hmm, i don't think i qualify for any of those side from possibly the sales one, and i want to get out of sales :( [16:54] what's so bad about sales? [16:54] do you have to sell your soul to survive? [16:55] i don't like convincing people to buy things, because i don't like to buy things [16:55] i also don't like convincing people [16:56] yeah, me neither. but that could be fine if the job has a base salary to it. [16:56] sales certainly takes a certain kind of person [16:57] i remember when i worked in a/v, there was like 1 nice salesman, and he was stressed perpetually [16:57] he would put his reputation on the line, try to be the customer's friend, then would stress if the company failed to deliver [16:57] and fail it did at one point [16:58] it seems like sales should really be "spreading the word", anyway, preaching to the choir i bet [16:59] i agree, if people don't come to you already interested in your product, you've failed somewhere other than sales [17:00] fyi, live talk with Tiff, some friends and I in #dreamfish if anyone cares to talk with us [17:04] Hmm, not necessarily. There are plenty of reasons a customer might not be interested but you can definitely get them excited for your product. [17:05] you can, for sure, but that's the part i don't like doing :) unless it's a really amazing product that i use myself [17:05] yeah, if you aren't willing to use the product yourself, something is wrong [17:06] It may not be a product that you need. [17:07] well, it can get complicated. but convincing someone that they need something they don't is a big problem [17:08] nhaines: at all interested in doing a User Days session next Saturday? :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/natty [17:09] our last slot is at 3PM [17:09] Haha, one slot left eh? Maybe. :) [17:09] Any topics they're looking for? [17:10] we don't have a "Switching from another OS" talk yet (just an Ubuntu Equivalent Programs) one [17:10] Hmm. I could probably do that. [17:10] another popular one was how to install trusted software [17:11] Heh, it's getting harder to do that since I switched 6 years ago. :) [17:11] so using software center, why you shouldn't implicitly trust PPAs (but you can somteimes!), discussing random tarballs you find online... [17:11] I'll do "switching from another OS" because I can talk about backups and I work for Western Digital so I know backups. :) [17:11] I can throw in Software Center stuff. [17:11] cool, software center stuff is always confusing for people coming from windows [17:12] (then again, most people understand "app store" now) [17:12] ok, adding you to the schedule now! thanks :) [17:12] You're welcome. :) [17:12] Backups and software center seem interesting enough to deserve a session, without cloaking it in being "switching from". [17:13] There might be people interested in those topics who have long since switched. [17:13] Ninja backup training! [17:14] I was assuming he meant "back up stuff before you install ubuntu" rather than a comprehensive exploration of backups in linux itself [17:15] Oh! I thought he meant backups once in ubuntu. [17:15] akk: I was going to cover both. :) [17:15] also pleia2 ^^ [17:16] sounds good [17:17] it is complete \o/ [17:17] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/natty [17:17] ok, back to work [17:17] \o/ [17:22] Now I just have to remember to write a script. :) [18:16] * MarkDude just saw a spider in the garden grab a big ass bug that would have been eating the plants [18:16] spiders++ [18:16] * MarkDude thanked the spider, and thought of you seidos [18:17] The whole circle of life thing [18:17] :) [18:18] Right after walking into bigass spider web- face first. Nothing like spider to the face to make you lose your cool and jump around waving wlidly [18:18] spiders are good. Especially outdoors and not dangling in front of my screen. [18:18] oh, yeah, and not getting caught in your face and clothes as you walk by [18:18] True akk, there is a minimum safe distance they can be appreciated [18:19] How are your gooseberries doing? [18:19] i really should only be scared of widows and recluses [18:19] * MarkDude has all sorts of flowers, and maybe 8 plants [18:19] Excellently, thanks! The original one is a big bush (it's still two plants) ... lots of berries on it though none have dropped recently. [18:19] but biology makes this a challenge [18:20] Then I have two youngsters that grew from seed -- one of them is almost as big as the original was when you gave it to me. [18:20] seidos: well scared is relative. I was certainly startled with having one on my face. [18:20] (They're still indoors in pots, but I just repotted both of them to bigger pots) [18:21] And a tiny sprout in the kitchen window that lives but isn't growing -- probably needs to be repotted. [18:21] They grow at weird rates. They deal with wilting rather well [18:21] Yes, I've noticed that if I have to be out of town for too long in hot weather, they don't die, they just stop growing and hold steady until they get more water. [18:21] Wonderful plants. :) [18:22] MarkDude: even webs bother me, and it takes will to remain calm. [18:23] so, yeah, as long as one doesn't panic, i guess a little fear isn't a problem [18:23] Well properness in panic [18:24] i remember when i was a kid i investigated a spider web, and then felt something on my leg and saw it crawling on my ankle [18:24] freaked me out [18:24] did the "freaky spider mambo" [18:24] Spider on me was time to wave web off me wildly. Moments later tho, seeing spider with bug in web- THAT spider had no panic to offer, just help for the garden. [18:25] i'm better about it these days, but there is still uncertainty [18:25] there was a black and white spider on a friend's hand the other day [18:25] he's in his 60s, and calmly asked "do you know what kind of spider that is?" [18:26] Your Buddhist edge can appreciate the eating spider should not startle you. As long as you SEE his web [18:26] it had the shape of a black widow, but white spots on the abdomen [18:26] lol [18:26] * MarkDude is not quite that cool with spiders- wish I was tho [18:26] no kidding [18:26] i'm pretty cool with bees [18:27] one landed on me the other day and it didn't bother me [18:27] wasps are different story [18:29] * MarkDude likes watching bees gather pollen on flowers [18:30] Geeknic next weekend- sat in Los Gatos [18:30] \o/ [18:30] FB is archiving the Gidget Kitchen group :( [18:31] i made a new card [18:31] I use FB all the time- but I almost felt like using the word hate to describe some of their changes, instead will use word annoyed [18:31] need to find some heavier paper to print them on [18:31] facebook = irc + picassa? [18:32] seidos: Kinkos will let you buy a few loose sheets- in varying colors [18:32] and maybe a text file for your contacts [18:32] MarkDude: cool, i should find one around here. will go after lunch [18:32] i also re-registered to vote today as an independent [18:32] i took an extra voter registration card [18:33] Well it is time for me to re-do long term GK plan, and start asking for help [18:33] i need to brainstorm a shorter URL for fictionalphilosophy [18:34] nobody remembers it by name [18:34] most of the people i run into these days could care less though, they are more interested in jobs [18:35] Well forget numbers- one person caring is enough, IMHO [18:35] maybe i should start hanging out in beverly hills more [18:36] one person caring is sufficient, but imagination hopes for bigger and better things for all parties [18:36] perhaps separation is ultimately necessary [18:36] Affluence does help some things in life happen. Not all of course. [18:36] i'm not even talking about affluence, just minimum wage :) [18:37] * MarkDude needs to hang out more with rich folks, their donations can help GK and Partimus [18:37] i read poverty level is the highest its been in 17 years [18:37] the idea is, get money, hire someone [18:37] Well yes, not that you would be affluent, just more they might have more job offers than say South Central LA [18:38] % wise [18:38] USC is in south central [18:38] they had a lot of bikes there, i think i went on a tuesday [18:39] All colleges have a lot of bikes. [18:40] not so [18:40] you have to see it, it's like swarming [18:40] ucla, cerritos, csulb, nothing like it [18:40] when i was at stanford, and berkeley too [18:41] Portland feels like the whole town is swarming with bikes [18:41] maybe it was winter break [18:41] i wonder if denver is the same [18:41] did you ever get a pair of vibram five finger akk? [18:42] i'm not sure how much they are these days, but i'm finding vans to be sufficient up to 5 miles [18:42] they will have to do [18:42] no, those things are way too expensive and I don't think I want the separate toes thing [18:42] yeah, they are kind of gimmicky. [18:42] when i ran barefoot i found the bottom of my feet got raw, nothing else [18:42] I've been doing occasional barefoot walks, but I still want to find a way to make a soft-soled shoe (like the moccassins I used to have). [18:43] hmmm, yeah, even the vans i have are pretty thick, but they're lighter than most shoes, and they're cheap [18:43] Nobody seems to sell them, but I saw a moccassin-making kit at Michael's that I might try. [18:43] there's an idea [18:43] * MarkDude misses living near beach. Running barefoot in the sand is rather good for your feet [18:43] It is! I wish I had sand nearby. [18:43] yeah, running on the beach is pretty low impact [18:44] running on grass is pretty good too, but there really aren't stretches of grass here [18:44] and if they are, you have to run to get to them o_o [18:45] lol [18:45] i've been riding the bike quite a bit [18:45] I love the barefoot-on-grass feel, but large expanses of grass around here are likely to have dog poop bombs hidden in them. :( [18:45] a sikh helped fix my brothers old one [18:45] i'm less concerned over dog poop than i am of sharp stones and glass [18:46] crap happens [18:46] i've stepped in poop barefoot, it isn't so bad [18:46] >_< [18:46] d and I found the most amazing grass a few days ago! Went for a walk (with shoes) near the SJ heritage rose garden [18:47] and they had this weird grass, super long blades (like a foot or longer) lying sideways in little piles [18:47] and it was super springy/cushiony, like walking on pillows [18:47] a sikh i met wants to go hiking, but, i dunno [18:47] i think i should be meditating more [18:47] sounds surreal [18:47] pillow grass o_o [18:47] like a dream [18:48] there's a trail here that i know of, but it's dirt trails, not really meadow like [18:48] sounds like something pretty unique to your area [18:48] jealous me steals SJ from you [18:48] muahaha [18:48] No, I'm pretty sure it's just a type of grass people can plant -- I'd read about it before but never walked on it. [18:49] personally i think we should plant life grow more around here [18:49] everyone's yard has like a proverbial crew cut or a flat top [18:49] but, letting stuff grow may mean less jobs...sooo, something else would need to be done [18:49] *let [18:50] I don't much like mowed grass either ... I like things a bit wilder. [18:50] Guess what I just signed for here at my cubicle? http://ubuntuone.com/5jesYEs93iNlFkwLq67Op9 [18:53] nice [18:53] hehe [18:55] let me know when telekinesis is working [18:55] or better yet, i remember reading a clone wars novel, and some jedi master had a wound on his hand, and he just stared at it and made it feel better [18:56] Wow, it is not easy to identify grasses with google. I give up trying to find this stuff. [18:56] that would be a useful skill [18:56] maybe hash is the best grass to grow [18:56] make sails and "juice" [18:56] or hemp, rather [18:56] hash is probably a different strain [18:57] the evil kind [18:57] exeunt [18:58] Something that gets you arrested is probably not the best plant to grow in the yard. [19:46] is there anything different that happens if i enter sudo su then if i enter just sudo with each command? [19:51] strictly speaking "sudo su" (not "sudo su -") wouldn't be a huge difference, you will be able to do things like pipes and command redirects which are tricker with sudo [19:51] and it won't log your commands to auth.log [19:51] (sudo logs to auth.log, awesome for systems with shared administration via sudo) [19:52] "sudo su" also logs to the /root/.bash_history rather than /home/user/.bash.history [19:52] s/bash.history/bash_history [19:59] dropping to a root shell is easier sometimes [19:59] but only for convience [20:00] yet I like to know what i have typed in before [21:10] Anyone in San Francisco wanna go to the TwilioCon After Party? I got a link for free tickets... Maybe a good opp to advocate for Ubuntu? pleia2? === ryaxnbubu is now known as ryaxnb [21:12] Big SF Tech Party for any Ubuntu Users in the Bay Area: http://www.twilio.com/conference/ringdown/ === DarkwingDuck is now known as DWonderly === DWonderly is now known as DarkwingDuck [21:53] bkerensa: thans anyway, but it's hard enough to get me to go to after parties of conferences I attend ;) [21:54] s/than/thanks [21:54] pleia2: What... Thats the best part of conferences that and the networking opportunity in the hallways [21:54] oh bah [21:54] :D [21:54] lol [21:54] bkerensa: oh no, I am very shy [21:54] :) [21:54] why would you go to conferences if you don't go to parties :P [21:55] this is like why would you do theater if you don't go to the cast party [21:55] idk right raevol? [21:55] I go to conferences to learn things and collaborate! [21:55] Why would you buy salad and not buy ranch dressing :D [21:55] parties are not my scene :) [21:55] * bkerensa goes to network [21:55] Learning for me is book based or DIY :) [21:55] i tend to do more learning and collaborating at the parties [21:56] * bkerensa learned that giant sized robotic metal spiders that blow flames do exist at a OSCON party [21:56] link? [21:56] * bkerensa finds a flickr pic [21:58] it's sad that I miss opportunities to network, but I'm really not very good at it and I'm much happier hiding from people at the end of the day [21:59] raevol: http://imgur.com/ESQOw <-- Robotic Giant Sized Metal Spider that blows 15 foot flames :D [21:59] sounds like you need some self confidence [21:59] =o [21:59] bkerensa: it's everything that i hoped and dreamed [22:00] raevol: It was scary because in addition to that they had this flame cannons all around the party that were periodically shooting fire balls and making very loud popping noises [22:00] * bkerensa was concerned that the pyro guys might make a mistake [22:00] hmm [22:00] hahahha [22:00] raevol: just shy and an introvert, self confidence is grand but still doesn't change that I am not great with people and need serious recharge time after a day full of conferenceness :) [22:01] there are reasons I'm a sysadmin and not a community manager ;) [22:01] hmm i see [22:01] but IRC is ok, I'm not shy on IRC [22:02] pleia2: that is why Ubucon is so exhausting for me. [22:02] nhaines: I bet! [22:02] Doing intros and outros is a blast and Q&A with jokes is a BLAST but man, that's more social time than I used to pack into SCaLE itself. [22:03] i want to go to scale this year so bad [22:04] scale is cool [22:04] This is probably the most egregious retconning of the Star Wars trilogy yet! http://i.imgur.com/xWweh.gif [22:05] haha, oh nooo [22:06] pleia2: :) [22:07] pleia2: also I think you meant "No. Nooooo!" [22:08] lol [22:08] indeed [22:08] also, do you know how many times I've bought star wars already? [22:08] * pleia2 sticks with the DVDs for now [22:10] pleia2: I have the THX-enhanced ones (P&S boo!) and then the Special Edition on VHS, I have all of them on DVD (but German copy of Episode I) and now I have the Blu-rays. [22:11] pleia2: the worst thing about Ubucon is in addition to the intros and Q&A where I'm talking and being personable to every single person in the room at least once, people insist on talking to me between sessions! [22:12] social interaction quotient exceeded [22:12] so i'm a salsa dancer [22:12] and sometimes when out dancing some girl will get too talkative [22:13] so then you just ask her to dance and that ends the conversation [22:13] pretty effective [22:13] I already don't sleep well the night before, plus picking up my videographer adds an extra hour to the commute. :P [22:15] pleia2: I'm shy when it comes to talking [22:15] pleia2: as in public speeches.... I get all shaky and uhh nervous :) [22:15] bkerensa: that's the easiest time to talk! [22:15] pleia2: But 1 on 1 or small groups is no big deal [22:16] Everyone's there to see you and they're hanging on every word! [22:16] LOL [22:16] exactly [22:16] If you take a moment to compose a thought, the silence actually focuses their attention and builds anticipation! [22:16] nhaines: Yeah and projector helps too :D [22:18] During a Powerpoint class I was teaching I talked about how a prop like a water bottle can be a good friend if you need to compose a thought, and of course, the one secret weapon, the most powerful tool you can ever use is-- *drink water calmly, make eye contact all around* -- the dramatic pause. [22:19] nhaines: I had the trilogy on CED (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitance_Electronic_Disc) too, that's how I first saw it [22:19] pleia2: I read about that once in a book! [22:21] nhaines: I didn't actually know what they were called until a couple years ago, people always thought I was talking about laserdiscs when I explained CEDs ;) [22:21] "The format was commonly known as "videodisc", leading to much confusion with the contemporary Laserdisc format" [22:21] pleia2: they are videodiscs. :) [22:21] indeed! [22:22] pleia2: I think I first saw Star Wars broadcast on KTLA channel 5. [22:22] I remember being like 7 or so and just sort of amazed at the boarding of the cruiser and how real everything looked and how scary Darth Vader was. [22:23] bkerensa: I'm with nhaines, public speaking is easier if you practice and are prepared, my issue is conversation without a point or goal, with a presentation these things are very clear [22:23] it takes some time getting over being nervous, but there are lots of great books about public speaking [22:24] pleia2: oh, I use silence as a weapon if the audience isn't focusing, haha. [22:24] nhaines: darth vader gave me nightmares! but I think I was too oblivious to the world to notice that things looked real, why wouldn't they look real? movies look real. :) [22:24] daleks gave me worse nightmares though [22:24] * bkerensa is getting a ChromeBook from Samsung next week :) for free :D Google failed me [22:25] I am still kind of scared of daleks :) [22:25] pleia2: it was something about the visceral sound the blasters made, and the way the bolts threw sparks when they hit the guys (that's been largely edited out since). [22:27] did they ever released non-special edition dvds of the original trilogy? [22:27] I know there were rumors about it, I never followed through with actually figuring that out [22:28] pleia2: yes! They are letterboxed 4:3 transfers of the Laserdisc releases. [22:28] Wanted to buy them but couldn't bring myself to do so. :P [22:30]