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jedijfi will say support now when it's time00:04
jedijfsupport now please00:15
TheEvilPhoenixBAM00:15
JonathanDis now good?00:16
JonathanDok00:16
jedijfyes00:16
JonathanDhow was that?00:18
pleia2jedijf: oh hey, you work at a bakery, I'm having a wedding in philly next year! we should talk :)00:21
pleia2must-resist-temptation-for-oreo-wedding-cake00:22
pleia2hooray for jedijf membership!00:23
jedijfthank you all00:23
TheEvilPhoenixhoorah!00:23
* TheEvilPhoenix hands jedijf a cookie00:24
jedijfpleia2: something tells me mj family mught want to do that stuff00:24
jedijfmight00:24
* TheEvilPhoenix goes back to PHP00:24
pleia2jedijf: heh, we're doing it all ourselves00:24
pleia2it's very stressful, so I told MJ that our vegas wedding doesn't have to be done by elvis, it can be tasteful... :)00:25
pleia2he didn't buy it00:25
jedijfi did the abington library00:25
jedijfand the judge that married us got disbarred LOL00:25
TheEvilPhoenixfor what?00:26
TheEvilPhoenix:P00:26
jedijfit was years later, are only concern was that the marriage was still valid00:26
jedijfs/are/our00:26
jedijfs/our/my wife's00:27
TheEvilPhoenixby law it should have been.00:27
TheEvilPhoenixonce official, it stays official00:27
TheEvilPhoenixuntil either divorce or death occurs00:27
TheEvilPhoenixiirc00:27
jedijfmagistrates around here don't have to be lawyers, so maybe disbarred is wrong vernacular00:28
pleia2jedijf: haha, wow00:29
jedijfyeah, watching the news...hey, isn't that the guy that married us?00:30
JonathanDcongrats jedijf00:31
jedijfthanks dude, nice work by you00:31
JonathanDhope I helped, at least a little.00:31
jedijfa lot!00:31
jedijfi was gonna resort to the shot of me with the ubuntu earrings00:31
pleia2lol00:34
jedijfhttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/456371/ubuntuloaf.jpg   zoe!00:36
pleia2ah yes, that's the one! it was on kevin's blog00:36
=== jedijf is now known as jediJf
JonathanDMorning.09:16
rmg51morning JonathanD09:28
JonathanDhey rmg5109:39
JonathanDwhats up09:39
rmg51o/09:39
rmg51just us :-D09:40
* HowdyDoody feels left out09:41
rmg51JonathanD:  all set for tomorrow?09:41
HowdyDoodyTomorrow ?   PACS is today.   This weekend is Soooo overloaded with too much stuff, what on earth is tomorrow that I have to miss ?09:50
JonathanDrmg51: yes.09:50
JonathanDrmg51: not sure how long I'll get to stay but I'll be there.09:51
* JonathanD going to the store.09:51
rmg51tomorrow is Sat.09:52
rmg51not today =-O09:52
rmg51PACS is tomorrow silly09:52
HowdyDoodyOk, thanks for the EXTRA day.  So wonderful, now.09:52
rmg51JonathanD:  I usually get there around 8:3009:52
JonathanDrmg51: can I have an extra day, too?10:32
rmg51take as many as you want :-[10:39
JonathanDGreat.10:56
JonathanDin that case, we're having a geeknic on sept 37th.10:56
rmg51and what day does that work out to?10:57
JonathanDSept 37th10:58
JonathanDit's one of the extra days I got from you.10:58
rmg51I meant is it a Sat. or a Sunday?11:00
rmg51or some other day you made up?11:00
JonathanDBubberday.11:02
JonathanDit's the one between sunday and monday.11:02
JonathanDWE've called the township 3 times about the park.11:02
rmg51there's always next year11:04
rmg51or one of the parks we already used11:04
JonathanDYes.11:06
JonathanDWE could go back to the egypt road one.11:06
JonathanDthat one was fairly nice.11:06
rmg51got to go11:23
rmg51you can talk to the bear in a little while :-D11:23
waltmanMorning.11:26
=== jediJf is now known as jedijf
teddy-dbearmorning12:00
HowdyDoodymorning waltman, teddy-dbear, rmg51, JonathanD, and you all silent types out there!12:48
IdleOneCOngrats jedijf on getting membership :)12:51
IdleOneo*12:51
HowdyDoodyIs this membership in some kinda hard workin' ubuntu leaders exclusive club ?12:59
JonathanDhowdy HowdyDoody13:14
JonathanDit's the cookie club13:15
JonathanDnow he gets free cookies.13:15
HowdyDoodySo when "the man" brings cookies etc. HE can now have a cookie ?13:16
HowdyDoodyUhmmmm, isn't jedijf = "the man" that brings the cookies ?13:17
teddy-dbearas long as he doesn't give any to jthan :-/13:18
HowdyDoodyWhat if jthan brings a half full plate of cookies ?13:21
JonathanDthis is very complicated.13:27
rmg51when we had PennBot  there was a rule against jthan having any cookies13:30
HowdyDoodySay, what ever happened to PennBot ?   No one wanted to run maintenance on him ?13:33
rmg51andrew's a bad daddy ;-)13:45
=== InHisName1 is now known as HowdyDoody
HowdyDoodyThe application update-apt-xapian-index has crashed.     ***    Information about the crash has been    successfully collected.       ****     This application is not known to Bug Buddy, therefore the bug report cannot be sent to the GNOME Bugzilla.  Please save the bug to a text file and report it to the appropriate bug tracker for this application.     ---------------- >Could I just uninstall this,  is xapian-index important t14:06
jthanLet's see..14:08
jthanhttp://www.enricozini.org/sw/apt-xapian-index/14:09
jthanif youd on't use it, go for it14:09
HowdyDoodyHey you synaptic lovers:   on one machine I have virtualbox-4.0, AND virtualbox-4.1 as choices.  On another box (this one), I ONLY have virtualbox-4.0.   How come the difference ?  Both running 11.04, both 2.6.38.1114:09
jedijfHowdyDoody: re:xapian, google it, it will come back if you just install it; it creates cpu spikes, i usually remove it on my old boxes14:10
jedijfs/install/uninstall14:10
jthanpurge that son of a gun14:10
jedijfit's a service...morea than that is required...a service starts it14:10
jthan:-p14:11
jthanListen.. i'm sitting in ecology14:11
jthandon't ask for too much14:11
HowdyDoodysoooo, do I just -->sudo apt-get purge xapian ?14:11
jthanno.14:11
jthanhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=106268814:11
jthanread that14:11
HowdyDoodyDoes this xapian have anything to do with synaptic ?14:12
HowdyDoodyreading....14:12
jthani can't read it at the moment because I didn't setup my proxy at school. SO I don't know if I can help further14:12
HowdyDoodyIt gives commands to end it and remove it and keep it from restarting.14:14
jthanso don't remove it, just make it not restart14:14
jthanthat way if you see it changes something, you can undo what you did14:14
HowdyDoodytanker bob said: Purging apt-xapian-index caused the quick search feature in Synaptic to become inoperative in Jaunty.  Changing the weekly script to non-executable proved the better approach with no side effect so far.14:16
jthanThere's your answer, sir.14:16
* jthan doesn't use synaptic, so it would be a non issue14:17
HowdyDoodyanother person writes about an "official" fix upcoming after may '1014:17
jthanwell it's '11!14:17
HowdyDoodyThen, it 'might' be fixed already.    Oooorrr not!14:18
HowdyDoodyreboot time to see if all well at startup.14:23
InHisNameI just removed it.  Now it must be re-building that index.  Must be very S-L-O-W....   Been at least 25 minutes so far.14:50
GeekyAdamhi all14:54
* GeekyAdam waves at erstazi from Mercyhurst College on 38th.14:56
* InHisName wonders if GeekyAdam isn't fully paying attention to his prof at Mercyhurst.14:58
InHisName35 minutes and still a very dark red screen with mouse arrow.   I assume it is still building and index.15:00
* TheEvilPhoenix shows up here whilst being in class at the same time15:02
InHisNameI tried ctl-alt-F and got a login.    Seems from 'top' that cpu isn't doing anything.    ctl-alt-F7 is still all very dark red and one white mouse arrow.   Seems to be stuck.     In top screen saver comes up using a dab of cpu cycles now and then.   Maybe should just shutdown and try again.15:07
TheEvilPhoenixctrl+f1, sudo killall Xorg ?15:07
* InHisName wonders if TheEvilPhoenix has a lack of focus on his prof also?15:08
TheEvilPhoenixInHisName:  my professor isnt doing anything because the campus network is down.  She said "This is a problem solving session, since I can't load up the lecture for today."15:08
TheEvilPhoenixthe only network still working is mine15:08
TheEvilPhoenixbecause i'm on a mobile hotspot atm :P15:08
InHisNameHmmm, interesting, I suppose I could try that.15:09
TheEvilPhoenixctrl+alt+f115:09
TheEvilPhoenixlogin then nuke Xorg15:09
TheEvilPhoenixit'll restart itself usually :P15:09
InHisNameha ha, just  a free form study time.15:09
TheEvilPhoenix:O15:09
TheEvilPhoenixFOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!15:09
InHisNamek, ill try it then.15:09
* TheEvilPhoenix spotted free pizza next door15:09
InHisNameclass invaders15:10
* TheEvilPhoenix returns with Pizza15:10
InHisNamethe Xorg kill ---< wiped out my mouse arrow.   Stuck with black red screen.    Finally gave up and shutdown.15:15
InHisNameNow rebooted looks better at least got desktop.15:15
InHisNameTheEvilPhoenix: is your prof at a loss without his/her powerpoints ?   Can't wing a lecture or even some discussion ?15:17
TheEvilPhoenixyup15:17
TheEvilPhoenixshe's fail today :P15:17
InHisNameMust be under 30 and hasn't learned how to fill in disasters yet.15:18
=== InHisName1 is now known as HowdyDoody
HowdyDoodyOk, pidgin is working.15:21
HowdyDoodyapt-get doesn't seem to be working right.   It just serches to 50% and stops.15:29
HowdyDoodySynaptic crashes.15:29
=== InHisName1 is now known as HowdyDoody
HowdyDoodyupdate manager crashes now also.15:54
HowdyDoodyhow to fix this crashing ?   Reinstall 11.04 again ?  I can't remember what I installed from?   plain or alternate or ???  how to tell ?15:55
HowdyDoodyI doubt if I have a disk, since 11.04 came via updt mgr.15:56
TheEvilPhoenixso download an image and burn it to disk?L15:56
HowdyDoodywhich image ? plain or alternate ?15:57
TheEvilPhoenixdoesnt  matter15:57
TheEvilPhoenixplain uses a GUI interface15:57
TheEvilPhoenixalternate is  text-only interface15:57
TheEvilPhoenixbut they both end up with the same result15:58
TheEvilPhoenixyou should only use alternate if the plain one fails15:58
HowdyDoodywill an install NOT loose any stuff on the drive so far ?   settings ?  docs ?15:58
TheEvilPhoenixwell...15:58
TheEvilPhoenixit depends15:58
TheEvilPhoenixwith ANY installation you run the risk of losing data.15:58
TheEvilPhoenixand GENERALLY SPEAKING15:58
TheEvilPhoenixan installation wipes out prior data.15:58
TheEvilPhoenixso when you install15:59
TheEvilPhoenixin ANY METHOD...15:59
TheEvilPhoenixyou should always back up your important data15:59
TheEvilPhoenixPRIOR to installing\15:59
TheEvilPhoenixHowdyDoody:  so to answer your question, you can't always assume it WON'T wipe out data16:02
TheEvilPhoenixbecause a clean install usually does.16:02
jthanIf he comes back.. someone tell him not to reinstall over something so trivial...17:23
jthanand of course he'll lose his data.17:23
rmg51jthan: he's still here17:24
rmg51as InHisName17:24
jthanYeah, I know.17:24
InHisNameso, jthan do you have a handy dandy way to shotgun a fix for all the crashing things?   synaptic manager, update manager etc.17:24
jthanWell, no.. but I'd imagine that if you have the problem someone else has also.17:25
jthanWho's to say reinstalling will fix it?17:25
jthanYou had to make a change or install an update somewhere along the way that broke it17:25
jthanIt didn't just happen on its own17:25
jthanSo if you reinstall and repeat the same process.. you're going to repeat the same problem.17:25
jthanSo it would be more beneficial for your knowledge, and for the purpose of fixing the problem, if you ACTUALLY fixed it and knew what causes it, as opposed to not knowing and repeating the same results.17:26
InHisNameI took out that xapian thing which was the only thing crashing.  Now bunches of things crash.17:26
jthanokay - so I would start by reinstalling xapian17:26
jthanthen we'll look further into the reason that crashes and try to fix it17:26
InHisNameTried, apt-get doesn't seem to be working17:26
jthanaptitude?17:27
InHisNamesame response17:27
jthanand what response is that?17:27
jthanInHisName: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+package/apt-xapian-index17:27
InHisNamebuilding {50%]   then prompt jumps to begining of that line and its done.17:27
jthanInHisName: at the link provided you can download a .deb and try to reinstall it that way17:28
jthanI thought, though, you only disabled the service before?17:28
InHisNameI tried uninstalling and was to reinstall to get a good UNcorrupted index.   Once uninstalled everything has gone bonkers.17:30
jthanGotcha. Alright. Try using a .deb17:30
jthanare you using 32 or 64 bit?17:30
InHisNameRebooting problem machine now.17:30
InHisNameits at 32bit17:30
jthanhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/i386/apt-xapian-index/0.41ubuntu617:31
jthanThat's the link you'll want, then17:31
jthanand on the right side "downloadable files"17:31
jthanI'm back to class, then I have a soccer game to be at.  InHisName, feel free to pm me with results / questions and tonight when I sit down at the computer I'll be happy to reply and do what I can to help you out.  If you end up reinstalling, just make sure you have a good backup of all your important stuff.17:34
jthanclonezilla is great ;-)17:34
InHisNameI'll try that.   I don't really want to install the same thing.  May loose lotta settings of apps too.17:36
InHisName1Arrrrgggghhhh    bug buddy:  The application update-software-center-agent has crashed17:40
jthanwhen doing.. ?17:40
InHisName1when double clicking on the .deb file17:40
* TheEvilPhoenix walks in and slaps InHisName1 for having a duplicate17:41
jthanSoo.. you know how to do a reverse dependency lookup?17:41
InHisName1not yet17:41
jthanlook up what depends on xapian and update-software-center-agent17:41
jthanIf it's a common revdep, then you can make it reinstall all packages that it depends on to see if it fixes anything17:42
InHisName1ok17:42
jthanI'm hoping, anyway. I know I can do it with portage.. not sure about aptitude or if it will work with your machine's current state.17:43
InHisName1apt-rdepends  not installed, no problem, can put it on good machine17:46
jthanah. good idea.17:46
jthanyou can also look up dependency trees online.. or at least you used to be able to.17:47
InHisNamexapian is really long list of stuff17:49
jthanpastebin?17:50
jthanI just wanna give it a look17:51
InHisNamesoftware-center is longer than the terminal buffer17:51
InHisNamethat's a lotta lines17:51
InHisNameI can dump to file but harder to pastbin it, I think.17:52
jthanDon't remember the name of the program that pastebins for you.17:53
jthanSo there's a lot of packages that depend on xapian..17:54
InHisNameover 2x as many for software-center17:54
InHisNameLotta python and lib this and that17:55
jthanhrmm....17:55
jthancan you apt-get reinstall software-center17:57
jthanand xapian17:57
jthanall in one shot17:57
InHisNameI found it:  pastebinit   had to install it.17:58
InHisNameNot responding, musta done something wrong.17:59
jthanor it's just a really big paste18:00
InHisNameneeded a "-" as pass parm for inline text.18:02
InHisNamehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/690998/18:02
jthanoh.18:03
jthanthat isnt bad18:03
InHisNamehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/691001/18:03
jthanBut it also isn't quite what I wanted :-P18:03
jthanI wnat to know what depends on apt-xapian-index18:03
jthannot what it depends on18:03
InHisNamest is xapian    2nd is software-center18:03
InHisName1st one is that apt-xapian-index    used in rdepends command18:04
jthanah..18:04
jthanalright18:05
jthanwhat was the exact command you used?18:05
InHisNameapt-rdepends apt-xapian-index | pastebinit -18:05
jthanuse apt-rdepends --reverse18:05
InHisNameand                 apt-rdepends software-center | pastebinit -18:05
InHisNameok18:05
jthanpastebin that one if you could18:05
InHisNamehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/691007/18:06
jthanmuch better18:06
jthanand not so large18:06
InHisNamehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/691008/18:06
InHisNameis 2nd one18:06
jthank18:07
jthanis there a flag for apt-rdepends to only show installed packages? or is that what it is displaying now?18:07
InHisNameGee, much tinyer listings18:07
jthani'm on a mac, so I can't check the manpage myself18:07
TheEvilPhoenixjthan:  the man pages are online :P18:08
TheEvilPhoenixhttp://manpages.ubuntu.com/18:08
jthanYeah, you're right.18:08
jthanBut I am also sitting in a class18:08
TheEvilPhoenixhave fun searching ya nub18:08
InHisNametrying to find man18:08
TheEvilPhoenixjthan:  would you rather me inundate you with the entire output of said manpage?18:08
TheEvilPhoenix:P18:08
jthanSo basically, InHisName, my plan at this point is to completely reinstall (meaning reinstall the package, and its dependences), everything that is using (or trying to use) xapian18:08
InHisNameNot sure if any install will work.18:09
jthanHow about uninstalls?18:09
InHisNameHaven't tried that yet18:09
jthanalright. try to uninstall something unimportant18:09
jthanlet me know how it goes.18:09
InHisNameis there some useless thing I could try to uninstall ?18:10
TheEvilPhoenixInHisName:  rm -rf / ?18:10
TheEvilPhoenixno i kid18:10
TheEvilPhoenixthat's dangerous18:10
TheEvilPhoenixdont do it18:10
TheEvilPhoenixDO18:10
TheEvilPhoenixNOT18:10
TheEvilPhoenixDO18:10
TheEvilPhoenixIT18:10
jthanInHisName: go for... idk... brasero or something18:11
jthanI don't know what default packages you've got18:11
jthanNow I really do have to skip off to a soccer game.18:11
jthanI'll be back later to try some more if you're still interested.18:11
InHisNamesoc away18:11
InHisNameI'll be back after 9pm18:12
InHisName1Nope,  brasero not removed, just got a prompt back only.18:13
InHisName1rich@vbox:~$ sudo apt-get remove brasero        Reading package lists... Done            rich@vbox:~$ ndency tree... 50%18:14
InHisNameComparing those two, I don't see any common elements.....18:23
InHisNamealso compared rdepends --reverse  upon synaptic and aptitude   not much if any in any common among the 4.18:55
jedijfall this removing...what's left?18:56
InHisNamecannot remove or install18:56

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