[00:04] <jedijf> i will say support now when it's time
[00:15] <jedijf> support now please
[00:15] <TheEvilPhoenix> BAM
[00:16] <JonathanD> is now good?
[00:16] <JonathanD> ok
[00:16] <jedijf> yes
[00:18] <JonathanD> how was that?
[00:21] <pleia2> jedijf: oh hey, you work at a bakery, I'm having a wedding in philly next year! we should talk :)
[00:22] <pleia2> must-resist-temptation-for-oreo-wedding-cake
[00:23] <pleia2> hooray for jedijf membership!
[00:23] <jedijf> thank you all
[00:23] <TheEvilPhoenix> hoorah!
[00:24]  * TheEvilPhoenix hands jedijf a cookie
[00:24] <jedijf> pleia2: something tells me mj family mught want to do that stuff
[00:24] <jedijf> might
[00:24]  * TheEvilPhoenix goes back to PHP
[00:24] <pleia2> jedijf: heh, we're doing it all ourselves
[00:25] <pleia2> it's very stressful, so I told MJ that our vegas wedding doesn't have to be done by elvis, it can be tasteful... :)
[00:25] <pleia2> he didn't buy it
[00:25] <jedijf> i did the abington library
[00:25] <jedijf> and the judge that married us got disbarred LOL
[00:26] <TheEvilPhoenix> for what?
[00:26] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[00:26] <jedijf> it was years later, are only concern was that the marriage was still valid
[00:26] <jedijf> s/are/our
[00:27] <jedijf> s/our/my wife's
[00:27] <TheEvilPhoenix> by law it should have been.
[00:27] <TheEvilPhoenix> once official, it stays official
[00:27] <TheEvilPhoenix> until either divorce or death occurs
[00:27] <TheEvilPhoenix> iirc
[00:28] <jedijf> magistrates around here don't have to be lawyers, so maybe disbarred is wrong vernacular
[00:29] <pleia2> jedijf: haha, wow
[00:30] <jedijf> yeah, watching the news...hey, isn't that the guy that married us?
[00:31] <JonathanD> congrats jedijf
[00:31] <jedijf> thanks dude, nice work by you
[00:31] <JonathanD> hope I helped, at least a little.
[00:31] <jedijf> a lot!
[00:31] <jedijf> i was gonna resort to the shot of me with the ubuntu earrings
[00:34] <pleia2> lol
[00:36] <jedijf> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/456371/ubuntuloaf.jpg   zoe!
[00:36] <pleia2> ah yes, that's the one! it was on kevin's blog
[09:16] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:28] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[09:39] <JonathanD> hey rmg51
[09:39] <JonathanD> whats up
[09:39] <rmg51> o/
[09:40] <rmg51> just us :-D
[09:41]  * HowdyDoody feels left out
[09:41] <rmg51> JonathanD:  all set for tomorrow?
[09:50] <HowdyDoody> Tomorrow ?   PACS is today.   This weekend is Soooo overloaded with too much stuff, what on earth is tomorrow that I have to miss ?
[09:50] <JonathanD> rmg51: yes.
[09:51] <JonathanD> rmg51: not sure how long I'll get to stay but I'll be there.
[09:51]  * JonathanD going to the store.
[09:52] <rmg51> tomorrow is Sat.
[09:52] <rmg51> not today =-O
[09:52] <rmg51> PACS is tomorrow silly
[09:52] <HowdyDoody> Ok, thanks for the EXTRA day.  So wonderful, now.
[09:52] <rmg51> JonathanD:  I usually get there around 8:30
[10:32] <JonathanD> rmg51: can I have an extra day, too?
[10:39] <rmg51> take as many as you want :-[
[10:56] <JonathanD> Great.
[10:56] <JonathanD> in that case, we're having a geeknic on sept 37th.
[10:57] <rmg51> and what day does that work out to?
[10:58] <JonathanD> Sept 37th
[10:58] <JonathanD> it's one of the extra days I got from you.
[11:00] <rmg51> I meant is it a Sat. or a Sunday?
[11:00] <rmg51> or some other day you made up?
[11:02] <JonathanD> Bubberday.
[11:02] <JonathanD> it's the one between sunday and monday.
[11:02] <JonathanD> WE've called the township 3 times about the park.
[11:04] <rmg51> there's always next year
[11:04] <rmg51> or one of the parks we already used
[11:06] <JonathanD> Yes.
[11:06] <JonathanD> WE could go back to the egypt road one.
[11:06] <JonathanD> that one was fairly nice.
[11:23] <rmg51> got to go
[11:23] <rmg51> you can talk to the bear in a little while :-D
[11:26] <waltman> Morning.
[12:00] <teddy-dbear> morning
[12:48] <HowdyDoody> morning waltman, teddy-dbear, rmg51, JonathanD, and you all silent types out there!
[12:51] <IdleOne> COngrats jedijf on getting membership :)
[12:51] <IdleOne> o*
[12:59] <HowdyDoody> Is this membership in some kinda hard workin' ubuntu leaders exclusive club ?
[13:14] <JonathanD> howdy HowdyDoody
[13:15] <JonathanD> it's the cookie club
[13:15] <JonathanD> now he gets free cookies.
[13:16] <HowdyDoody> So when "the man" brings cookies etc. HE can now have a cookie ?
[13:17] <HowdyDoody> Uhmmmm, isn't jedijf = "the man" that brings the cookies ?
[13:18] <teddy-dbear> as long as he doesn't give any to jthan :-/
[13:21] <HowdyDoody> What if jthan brings a half full plate of cookies ?
[13:27] <JonathanD> this is very complicated.
[13:30] <rmg51> when we had PennBot  there was a rule against jthan having any cookies
[13:33] <HowdyDoody> Say, what ever happened to PennBot ?   No one wanted to run maintenance on him ?
[13:45] <rmg51> andrew's a bad daddy ;-)
[14:06] <HowdyDoody> The application update-apt-xapian-index has crashed.     ***    Information about the crash has been    successfully collected.       ****     This application is not known to Bug Buddy, therefore the bug report cannot be sent to the GNOME Bugzilla.  Please save the bug to a text file and report it to the appropriate bug tracker for this application.     ---------------- >Could I just uninstall this,  is xapian-index important t
[14:08] <jthan> Let's see..
[14:09] <jthan> http://www.enricozini.org/sw/apt-xapian-index/
[14:09] <jthan> if youd on't use it, go for it
[14:09] <HowdyDoody> Hey you synaptic lovers:   on one machine I have virtualbox-4.0, AND virtualbox-4.1 as choices.  On another box (this one), I ONLY have virtualbox-4.0.   How come the difference ?  Both running 11.04, both 2.6.38.11
[14:10] <jedijf> HowdyDoody: re:xapian, google it, it will come back if you just install it; it creates cpu spikes, i usually remove it on my old boxes
[14:10] <jedijf> s/install/uninstall
[14:10] <jthan> purge that son of a gun
[14:10] <jedijf> it's a service...morea than that is required...a service starts it
[14:11] <jthan> :-p
[14:11] <jthan> Listen.. i'm sitting in ecology
[14:11] <jthan> don't ask for too much
[14:11] <HowdyDoody> soooo, do I just -->sudo apt-get purge xapian ?
[14:11] <jthan> no.
[14:11] <jthan> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1062688
[14:11] <jthan> read that
[14:12] <HowdyDoody> Does this xapian have anything to do with synaptic ?
[14:12] <HowdyDoody> reading....
[14:12] <jthan> i can't read it at the moment because I didn't setup my proxy at school. SO I don't know if I can help further
[14:14] <HowdyDoody> It gives commands to end it and remove it and keep it from restarting.
[14:14] <jthan> so don't remove it, just make it not restart
[14:14] <jthan> that way if you see it changes something, you can undo what you did
[14:16] <HowdyDoody> tanker bob said: Purging apt-xapian-index caused the quick search feature in Synaptic to become inoperative in Jaunty.  Changing the weekly script to non-executable proved the better approach with no side effect so far.
[14:16] <jthan> There's your answer, sir.
[14:17]  * jthan doesn't use synaptic, so it would be a non issue
[14:17] <HowdyDoody> another person writes about an "official" fix upcoming after may '10
[14:17] <jthan> well it's '11!
[14:18] <HowdyDoody> Then, it 'might' be fixed already.    Oooorrr not!
[14:23] <HowdyDoody> reboot time to see if all well at startup.
[14:50] <InHisName> I just removed it.  Now it must be re-building that index.  Must be very S-L-O-W....   Been at least 25 minutes so far.
[14:54] <GeekyAdam> hi all
[14:56]  * GeekyAdam waves at erstazi from Mercyhurst College on 38th.
[14:58]  * InHisName wonders if GeekyAdam isn't fully paying attention to his prof at Mercyhurst.
[15:00] <InHisName> 35 minutes and still a very dark red screen with mouse arrow.   I assume it is still building and index.
[15:02]  * TheEvilPhoenix shows up here whilst being in class at the same time
[15:07] <InHisName> I tried ctl-alt-F and got a login.    Seems from 'top' that cpu isn't doing anything.    ctl-alt-F7 is still all very dark red and one white mouse arrow.   Seems to be stuck.     In top screen saver comes up using a dab of cpu cycles now and then.   Maybe should just shutdown and try again.
[15:07] <TheEvilPhoenix> ctrl+f1, sudo killall Xorg ?
[15:08]  * InHisName wonders if TheEvilPhoenix has a lack of focus on his prof also?
[15:08] <TheEvilPhoenix> InHisName:  my professor isnt doing anything because the campus network is down.  She said "This is a problem solving session, since I can't load up the lecture for today."
[15:08] <TheEvilPhoenix> the only network still working is mine
[15:08] <TheEvilPhoenix> because i'm on a mobile hotspot atm :P
[15:09] <InHisName> Hmmm, interesting, I suppose I could try that.
[15:09] <TheEvilPhoenix> ctrl+alt+f1
[15:09] <TheEvilPhoenix> login then nuke Xorg
[15:09] <TheEvilPhoenix> it'll restart itself usually :P
[15:09] <InHisName> ha ha, just  a free form study time.
[15:09] <TheEvilPhoenix> :O
[15:09] <TheEvilPhoenix> FOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:09] <InHisName> k, ill try it then.
[15:09]  * TheEvilPhoenix spotted free pizza next door
[15:10] <InHisName> class invaders
[15:10]  * TheEvilPhoenix returns with Pizza
[15:15] <InHisName> the Xorg kill ---< wiped out my mouse arrow.   Stuck with black red screen.    Finally gave up and shutdown.
[15:15] <InHisName> Now rebooted looks better at least got desktop.
[15:17] <InHisName> TheEvilPhoenix: is your prof at a loss without his/her powerpoints ?   Can't wing a lecture or even some discussion ?
[15:17] <TheEvilPhoenix> yup
[15:17] <TheEvilPhoenix> she's fail today :P
[15:18] <InHisName> Must be under 30 and hasn't learned how to fill in disasters yet.
[15:21] <HowdyDoody> Ok, pidgin is working.
[15:29] <HowdyDoody> apt-get doesn't seem to be working right.   It just serches to 50% and stops.
[15:29] <HowdyDoody> Synaptic crashes.
[15:54] <HowdyDoody> update manager crashes now also.
[15:55] <HowdyDoody> how to fix this crashing ?   Reinstall 11.04 again ?  I can't remember what I installed from?   plain or alternate or ???  how to tell ?
[15:56] <HowdyDoody> I doubt if I have a disk, since 11.04 came via updt mgr.
[15:56] <TheEvilPhoenix> so download an image and burn it to disk?L
[15:57] <HowdyDoody> which image ? plain or alternate ?
[15:57] <TheEvilPhoenix> doesnt  matter
[15:57] <TheEvilPhoenix> plain uses a GUI interface
[15:57] <TheEvilPhoenix> alternate is  text-only interface
[15:58] <TheEvilPhoenix> but they both end up with the same result
[15:58] <TheEvilPhoenix> you should only use alternate if the plain one fails
[15:58] <HowdyDoody> will an install NOT loose any stuff on the drive so far ?   settings ?  docs ?
[15:58] <TheEvilPhoenix> well...
[15:58] <TheEvilPhoenix> it depends
[15:58] <TheEvilPhoenix> with ANY installation you run the risk of losing data.
[15:58] <TheEvilPhoenix> and GENERALLY SPEAKING
[15:58] <TheEvilPhoenix> an installation wipes out prior data.
[15:59] <TheEvilPhoenix> so when you install
[15:59] <TheEvilPhoenix> in ANY METHOD...
[15:59] <TheEvilPhoenix> you should always back up your important data
[15:59] <TheEvilPhoenix> PRIOR to installing\
[16:02] <TheEvilPhoenix> HowdyDoody:  so to answer your question, you can't always assume it WON'T wipe out data
[16:02] <TheEvilPhoenix> because a clean install usually does.
[17:23] <jthan> If he comes back.. someone tell him not to reinstall over something so trivial...
[17:23] <jthan> and of course he'll lose his data.
[17:24] <rmg51> jthan: he's still here
[17:24] <rmg51> as InHisName
[17:24] <jthan> Yeah, I know.
[17:24] <InHisName> so, jthan do you have a handy dandy way to shotgun a fix for all the crashing things?   synaptic manager, update manager etc.
[17:25] <jthan> Well, no.. but I'd imagine that if you have the problem someone else has also.
[17:25] <jthan> Who's to say reinstalling will fix it?
[17:25] <jthan> You had to make a change or install an update somewhere along the way that broke it
[17:25] <jthan> It didn't just happen on its own
[17:25] <jthan> So if you reinstall and repeat the same process.. you're going to repeat the same problem.
[17:26] <jthan> So it would be more beneficial for your knowledge, and for the purpose of fixing the problem, if you ACTUALLY fixed it and knew what causes it, as opposed to not knowing and repeating the same results.
[17:26] <InHisName> I took out that xapian thing which was the only thing crashing.  Now bunches of things crash.
[17:26] <jthan> okay - so I would start by reinstalling xapian
[17:26] <jthan> then we'll look further into the reason that crashes and try to fix it
[17:26] <InHisName> Tried, apt-get doesn't seem to be working
[17:27] <jthan> aptitude?
[17:27] <InHisName> same response
[17:27] <jthan> and what response is that?
[17:27] <jthan> InHisName: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+package/apt-xapian-index
[17:27] <InHisName> building {50%]   then prompt jumps to begining of that line and its done.
[17:28] <jthan> InHisName: at the link provided you can download a .deb and try to reinstall it that way
[17:28] <jthan> I thought, though, you only disabled the service before?
[17:30] <InHisName> I tried uninstalling and was to reinstall to get a good UNcorrupted index.   Once uninstalled everything has gone bonkers.
[17:30] <jthan> Gotcha. Alright. Try using a .deb
[17:30] <jthan> are you using 32 or 64 bit?
[17:30] <InHisName> Rebooting problem machine now.
[17:30] <InHisName> its at 32bit
[17:31] <jthan> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/i386/apt-xapian-index/0.41ubuntu6
[17:31] <jthan> That's the link you'll want, then
[17:31] <jthan> and on the right side "downloadable files"
[17:34] <jthan> I'm back to class, then I have a soccer game to be at.  InHisName, feel free to pm me with results / questions and tonight when I sit down at the computer I'll be happy to reply and do what I can to help you out.  If you end up reinstalling, just make sure you have a good backup of all your important stuff.
[17:34] <jthan> clonezilla is great ;-)
[17:36] <InHisName> I'll try that.   I don't really want to install the same thing.  May loose lotta settings of apps too.
[17:40] <InHisName1> Arrrrgggghhhh    bug buddy:  The application update-software-center-agent has crashed
[17:40] <jthan> when doing.. ?
[17:40] <InHisName1> when double clicking on the .deb file
[17:41]  * TheEvilPhoenix walks in and slaps InHisName1 for having a duplicate
[17:41] <jthan> Soo.. you know how to do a reverse dependency lookup?
[17:41] <InHisName1> not yet
[17:41] <jthan> look up what depends on xapian and update-software-center-agent
[17:42] <jthan> If it's a common revdep, then you can make it reinstall all packages that it depends on to see if it fixes anything
[17:42] <InHisName1> ok
[17:43] <jthan> I'm hoping, anyway. I know I can do it with portage.. not sure about aptitude or if it will work with your machine's current state.
[17:46] <InHisName1> apt-rdepends  not installed, no problem, can put it on good machine
[17:46] <jthan> ah. good idea.
[17:47] <jthan> you can also look up dependency trees online.. or at least you used to be able to.
[17:49] <InHisName> xapian is really long list of stuff
[17:50] <jthan> pastebin?
[17:51] <jthan> I just wanna give it a look
[17:51] <InHisName> software-center is longer than the terminal buffer
[17:51] <InHisName> that's a lotta lines
[17:52] <InHisName> I can dump to file but harder to pastbin it, I think.
[17:53] <jthan> Don't remember the name of the program that pastebins for you.
[17:54] <jthan> So there's a lot of packages that depend on xapian..
[17:54] <InHisName> over 2x as many for software-center
[17:55] <InHisName> Lotta python and lib this and that
[17:55] <jthan> hrmm....
[17:57] <jthan> can you apt-get reinstall software-center
[17:57] <jthan> and xapian
[17:57] <jthan> all in one shot
[17:58] <InHisName> I found it:  pastebinit   had to install it.
[17:59] <InHisName> Not responding, musta done something wrong.
[18:00] <jthan> or it's just a really big paste
[18:02] <InHisName> needed a "-" as pass parm for inline text.
[18:02] <InHisName> http://paste.ubuntu.com/690998/
[18:03] <jthan> oh.
[18:03] <jthan> that isnt bad
[18:03] <InHisName> http://paste.ubuntu.com/691001/
[18:03] <jthan> But it also isn't quite what I wanted :-P
[18:03] <jthan> I wnat to know what depends on apt-xapian-index
[18:03] <jthan> not what it depends on
[18:03] <InHisName> st is xapian    2nd is software-center
[18:04] <InHisName> 1st one is that apt-xapian-index    used in rdepends command
[18:04] <jthan> ah..
[18:05] <jthan> alright
[18:05] <jthan> what was the exact command you used?
[18:05] <InHisName> apt-rdepends apt-xapian-index | pastebinit -
[18:05] <jthan> use apt-rdepends --reverse
[18:05] <InHisName> and                 apt-rdepends software-center | pastebinit -
[18:05] <InHisName> ok
[18:05] <jthan> pastebin that one if you could
[18:06] <InHisName> http://paste.ubuntu.com/691007/
[18:06] <jthan> much better
[18:06] <jthan> and not so large
[18:06] <InHisName> http://paste.ubuntu.com/691008/
[18:06] <InHisName> is 2nd one
[18:07] <jthan> k
[18:07] <jthan> is there a flag for apt-rdepends to only show installed packages? or is that what it is displaying now?
[18:07] <InHisName> Gee, much tinyer listings
[18:07] <jthan> i'm on a mac, so I can't check the manpage myself
[18:08] <TheEvilPhoenix> jthan:  the man pages are online :P
[18:08] <TheEvilPhoenix> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/
[18:08] <jthan> Yeah, you're right.
[18:08] <jthan> But I am also sitting in a class
[18:08] <TheEvilPhoenix> have fun searching ya nub
[18:08] <InHisName> trying to find man
[18:08] <TheEvilPhoenix> jthan:  would you rather me inundate you with the entire output of said manpage?
[18:08] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[18:08] <jthan> So basically, InHisName, my plan at this point is to completely reinstall (meaning reinstall the package, and its dependences), everything that is using (or trying to use) xapian
[18:09] <InHisName> Not sure if any install will work.
[18:09] <jthan> How about uninstalls?
[18:09] <InHisName> Haven't tried that yet
[18:09] <jthan> alright. try to uninstall something unimportant
[18:09] <jthan> let me know how it goes.
[18:10] <InHisName> is there some useless thing I could try to uninstall ?
[18:10] <TheEvilPhoenix> InHisName:  rm -rf / ?
[18:10] <TheEvilPhoenix> no i kid
[18:10] <TheEvilPhoenix> that's dangerous
[18:10] <TheEvilPhoenix> dont do it
[18:10] <TheEvilPhoenix> DO
[18:10] <TheEvilPhoenix> NOT
[18:10] <TheEvilPhoenix> DO
[18:10] <TheEvilPhoenix> IT
[18:11] <jthan> InHisName: go for... idk... brasero or something
[18:11] <jthan> I don't know what default packages you've got
[18:11] <jthan> Now I really do have to skip off to a soccer game.
[18:11] <jthan> I'll be back later to try some more if you're still interested.
[18:11] <InHisName> soc away
[18:12] <InHisName> I'll be back after 9pm
[18:13] <InHisName1> Nope,  brasero not removed, just got a prompt back only.
[18:14] <InHisName1> rich@vbox:~$ sudo apt-get remove brasero        Reading package lists... Done            rich@vbox:~$ ndency tree... 50%
[18:23] <InHisName> Comparing those two, I don't see any common elements.....
[18:55] <InHisName> also compared rdepends --reverse  upon synaptic and aptitude   not much if any in any common among the 4.
[18:56] <jedijf> all this removing...what's left?
[18:56] <InHisName> cannot remove or install