[00:21] <Axlin> Hey guys. I'm having some trouble launching Tomboy on Kubuntu 11.04. I filed a bug report at Launchpad.net, but I figured I might as well ask on IRC as well, in case anybody could point me in the right direction sooner. Here's the report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomboy/+bug/852278
[00:32] <edoceo> Hey, I'm trying the LiveCD out, 11.04 32bit, but rekonq keeps crashing out :(
[00:49] <macer1> Hi Axlin
[00:49] <macer1> it looks like tomboy depends on gnome
[00:49] <macer1> [DEBUG 17:04:31.562] Failed to register with session manager: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files
[00:52] <Axlin> Would there be a specific package I'm missing? I've had Tomboy working on Kubuntu before, and I've never had to install the GNOME shell. But maybe I'm missing some sort of dependency?
[00:53] <macer1> I don't have my ubuntu 11.10 machine at this time to look into this...
[00:53] <macer1> but maybe file is corrupted?
[00:53] <Axlin> I should also mention that this is a reinstall of Kubuntu 11.04. Tomboy worked on my last installation, and as part of the reinstallation process, I used dpkg --get-selections to get a log of installed packages, and reinstalled all of them with dselect for the new installation. I should have an equivalent set of installed packages.
[00:54] <Axlin> Could be, yeah. The thing that's catching my eye is the mention of "<filename unknown>"
[00:55] <macer1> hmm
[00:55] <macer1> maybe you miss some package - like libgnome2.0-cil?
[00:57] <Axlin> I tried installing that through APT, and it said that the package isn't available, but is referred to/replaced by: libgnome2.24-cil libgnome2.0-cil-dev libgnome-vfs2.0-cil libgconf2.0-cil libart2.0-cil
[00:57] <Axlin> I ran a dpkg -l on all of those, and they're all installed.
[01:00] <macer1> ctor - constructor
[01:00] <macer1> incorrect header for constructor...
[01:02] <macer1> hmm
[01:06] <Axlin> I just did a Google search for "Missing or incorrect header for method .ctor". I'm finding a number of bug reports related to Gnome-Do having a similar issue. Kinda sounds like this might be related to Mono/Mono apps in general.
[01:06] <Axlin> But they generally fixed it by deleting Gnome-Do's config directory, which unfortunately didn't help my case.
[01:08] <macer1> I googled this error, but not finded anything useful
[01:10] <Axlin> Yeah, me neither. Although I did do something interesting. I installed Banshee, since I know that's also a Mono app, and it, too, refuses to launch, citing some of the same errors.
[01:10] <Axlin> Missing or incorrect header for method .ctor, Missing or incorrect header for method get_Add
[01:10] <Axlin>   at Banshee.Daap.DaapService.ThreadedInitialize () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 , etc.
[01:11] <macer1> hmm :/
[01:11] <macer1> maybe it is better idea to attach this bug to mono, not tomboy.
[01:13] <Axlin> Yeah, probably.
[01:13] <Axlin> It's definitely looking like a Mono issue.
[01:13] <macer1> ok, done.
[01:13] <macer1> now it affects mono
[01:15] <Axlin> Hah! I fixed it. I just re-installed every Mono package I have, and it's launching beautifully.
[01:15] <Axlin> Thanks for your help, macer1
[01:16] <macer1> I was happy to try help ;)
[01:16] <macer1> Can I mark you bug as invalid now?
[01:16] <macer1> *your
[01:16] <Axlin> Yeah, absolutely.
[01:17] <macer1> Can you write on bug report that mono reinstall helped ;)?
[01:17] <Axlin> Should I follow up with an explanation? I've never dealt with the bug reporting system. Not sure what the generally-accepted practice is.
[01:17] <Axlin> Yep, I'll do that.
[01:17] <macer1> Thanks :) Maybe it will be useful for somebody in future :)
[01:18] <Axlin> I hope so!
[01:18] <macer1> :)
[01:20] <macer1> oops. marked it as incomplete
[01:20] <macer1> accidently
[01:21] <Axlin> Hehe
[01:21] <Axlin> Thanks again for helping me narrow down the problem.
[01:22] <Axlin> I'm going to hop off the computer now :)
[01:22] <macer1> do you written something in bug report ;)?
[01:22] <Axlin> Yep, I did.
[01:23] <macer1> Thanks :)
[01:23] <macer1> Marking as invalid now
[01:50] <xieyi> I am having problem that I can't send mail with kmail if I enclose a accessory in the mail
[01:51] <xieyi> I found that the accessory name can't be displayed properly
[01:51] <xieyi> the error message is "invalid transmission method"
[01:51] <xieyi> I am using Chinese version so the translation may not valid
[01:52] <xieyi> is there anyone experiencing the same problem?
[02:07] <edoceo> Hey, I'm trying the LiveCD out, 11.04 32bit, but rekonq keeps crashing out - any ideas?
[02:08] <edoceo> Oh, huh.  I was in a KVM.  Using the cirrus video driver fails, using "std" works - but graphics are slow
[03:14] <lbh> why is kubuntu unable to be installed without providing networking information?
[03:14] <lbh> i can't connect to network atm.
[03:15] <lbh> and i don't want to connect to one
[03:15] <lbh> any other installers which allow you to skip the networking stage?
[03:43] <SubCoolEnt> is there a win7 channel?
[03:48] <SubCool> anyone got a windwos box that had the ethernet just kinda go missing? - it was working FINE, rebooted into linux... used that for most of today, went back to win7, Win7 CAN NOT see the drivers? or whatever to maket he ethernet card work- but the lighs are on the ethernet card. I reboot into linux- everything is fine. WTF
[03:48] <SubCool> i knwo this is kubuntu chat- but i hvae to vent.
[03:50] <ryan_> subcool, did u wipe out windows 7?
[03:51] <SubCool> lol - no?
[03:51] <ryan_> lol
[03:51] <ryan_> ok\
[03:51] <ryan_> did u install inside win7 ?
[03:51] <SubCool> no, they are on dual boot
[03:51] <SubCool> i ahve been using both normall every day
[03:51] <ryan_> hmm
[03:52] <SubCool> today win7 just decided it no longer has an ethernet card
[03:52] <well_laid_lawn> there's ##windows for windows chatter
[03:52] <ryan_> lol
[03:52] <well_laid_lawn> !lol
[03:52] <ryan_> thats just cause win 7 sucks
[04:06] <ryan_> ubottu, its too bad Kubuntu is flooded with ppl like u...  makes me realize why Kubuntu is so far behind the other communities :( cause there are messages knocking down the kde door right now
[05:41] <pvive> what does it mean if we get a green background with blue text when we say ls in the Konsole ? I mean i mounted a drive of Ntfs format
[06:12] <vivek> how to install mac theme in Kubuntu?
[06:12] <vivek> how to install themes in kubuntu?
[06:18] <jillc> good morning
[06:18] <pvive> i installed a theme in Kubuntu
[06:19] <pvive> But it doesn't show up in the list. how do i apply the theme after installation ???
[06:20] <jillc> could someone help me try to get my sound working on kubuntu.. i'm kinda new
[08:50] <dnivra> hello. is there a audio recorder software for kubuntu?
[08:51] <dnivra> i couldn't find krecord-has it been replaced?
[09:46] <pvive> hi
[09:46] <pvive> How to modify which programs that can run in startup?
[09:51] <nikola> pvive
[09:51] <pvive> nikola : yes tell
[09:52] <nikola> @pvive Look at systemsettings>startup and shutdown
[09:53] <nikola> at autostart tab you can add programs from /usr/bin directory
[09:53] <nikola> at session menagament tab you can choose "start with an empty session"
[09:54] <nikola> so at the startup only programs added from autostart tab will be lauched at startup
[09:54] <nikola> i hope it helps :)
[09:55] <pvive> nikola : thanks . I wanted to add Synapse . I was able to add. But i don't see other programs like Yakuake listed. It will run on startup by default . I have never set it before. Say if i want to remove it how do i do it now?
[09:58] <nikola> yakuake is listed in /usr/bin
[09:58] <nikola> i added it to autostart myself :)
[09:58] <OerHeks> pvive does yakuake start with F12 (standard) ?
[09:59] <paolo> ciao
[09:59] <paolo> !list
[10:00] <nikola> if you want to remove some program from startup go to autostart tab, click on chosen program  and on the right you have button "remove"
[10:04] <paolo> ciao
[10:04] <paolo> !list
[10:06] <OerHeks> paolo stop that please
[10:11] <paolo> ciao
[10:11] <paolo> list
[10:12] <pvive> nikola : Exactly. thats my point , I don't see any other program listed other than Synapse. There is one more thing called pre-kde startup
[10:14] <pvive> nikola : But still Yakuake runs on startup . Will it be stored inside that pre-kde startup?
[10:18] <paolo> lista cartuns
[10:18] <paolo> cartuns
[10:18] <paolo> ciao
[10:18] <paolo> !listr
[10:18] <OerHeks> paolo this is the Kubuntu support channel, do you have a support question ?
[10:19] <paolo> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IRC/Guidelines
[10:19] <well_laid_lawn> !it | paolo
[10:45] <unhappydepig> 什么东西
[10:45] <unhappydepig> who can tell me?
[10:58] <bruno> KDE ?
[10:58] <bruno> Kentucky Department of Education
[10:58] <bruno> ???
[11:03] <szal> lol
[11:14] <sildar> Hi there
[11:14] <sildar> Dunno, is this french community ? :p
[11:14] <sildar> I got a problem with the Ubuntu Logitech :/
[11:16] <sildar> I can't download anything, the software is telling it cannot connect to the web
[11:16] <sildar> while everything's running fine out there
[11:16] <sildar> couldn't find an answer
[11:16] <AciD_> sildar: open up konsole, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:17] <AciD_> what does it says ?
[11:18] <sildar> seems to upload
[11:18] <sildar> (slow connection)
[11:19] <szal> !fr | sildar
[11:19] <sildar> well it updates, maybe it'll repair it. I've got 7 min update so I'll say if it's ok when it's done
[11:25] <jorrik> when i open the task switcher by pressing alt-tab, it's location depends on which screen has the active window ... can i change this to display on both windows?
[11:29] <sildar> updated
[11:29] <sildar> ty AciD_, works perfectly
[11:46] <paolo> ciao
[11:46] <paolo> !list
[11:52] <well_laid_lawn> !bot | paolo
[11:53] <szal> !it | paolo
[11:56] <paolo> !list
[11:56] <paolo> ciao
[11:56] <paolo> !list cartons
[12:12] <PaulW2U>  /msg ubottu !bot
[12:20] <paolo_> ciao
[12:20] <paolo_> !list
[12:49] <ivk> Извените я правильно понимаю это канал поддержки?
[12:50] <Ddpbf> !ru
[13:58] <luca> Hi! I'm running KDE on Ubuntu. I just installed it but it seems I cannot get the qt gtk engine to work. GTK applications are very bad-looking. Any idea how I can fond out why?
[14:00] <vinylfreak89> how do I upgrade from natty to oneiric?
[14:05] <OerHeks> vinylfreak89, sudo sed -i 's/natty/oneiric/g' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:05] <OerHeks> support in #Ubuntu+1
[14:06] <vinylfreak89> oerheks thanks but i meant using the gui upgrade tool
[14:07] <vinylfreak89> there was a command in previous releases
[14:07] <vinylfreak89> but i dont remember what it was
[14:07] <vinylfreak89> i will check out #ubuntu+1 though
[14:31] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:31] <Peace-> fine BluesKaj
[14:34] <BluesKaj> Howdy=slang-hello
[14:35] <BluesKaj> but anyway , how are you Peace- ..I'm fine thanks :)
[14:35] <oracleoftruth> This the right place for help with 11.10?
[14:37] <oracleoftruth> Apt seems to have stopped working on my system. Can't install or upgrade anything. Anyone seen this or can suggest fix?
[14:40] <Peace-> BluesKaj: xD everytime i forget that BluesKaj :D
[14:41] <Peace-> BluesKaj: well... i was on the plane this morning ... Peace- skydiver :P so now i am a bit tired
[14:41] <Peace-> oracleoftruth: sudo apt-get update
[14:41] <Roey> hey all, how do I download photos off my phone with DLNA and KDE?
[14:41] <Roey> hey BluesKaj and Peace-
[14:41] <Roey> and oracleoftruth
[14:42] <Peace-> Roey: DLNA ?
[14:42] <Roey> great nick.
[14:42] <Roey> DLNA is the protocol by which cell phones transfer music, movies and other files to other devices
[14:42] <oracleoftruth> seems to update ok. wont upgrade; thanks! (Clearly not true though!)
[14:42] <Roey> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Digital_Living_Network_Alliance
[14:42] <Peace-> oracleoftruth: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:43] <oracleoftruth> same thing. gets stuck: Reading package lists... Done
[14:43] <oracleoftruth> oracleoftruth@shiny:~$ sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:43] <oracleoftruth> Reading package lists... Done
[14:43] <oracleoftruth> oracleoftruth@shiny:~$ e... 50%
[14:43] <Peace-> Roey: ok but.... how did you connect your phone ?
[14:43] <FloodBotK2> oracleoftruth: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:44] <BluesKaj> hi Roey
[14:45] <BluesKaj> oracleoftruth, how and what are you upgrading ?
[14:47] <Roey> Peace-:  I just configured my droid2 global to "Start DLNA"
[14:48] <oracleoftruth> just standard upgrade. New install and wanted to upgrade after adding medibuntu. Also would like to install couple of things but nothing is installing via apt
[14:48] <oracleoftruth> muon not working either
[14:48] <wow> How can I connect to the twit network on irc
[14:50] <BluesKaj> oracleoftruth, either in the package manager or your sources.list make sure the repos are enabled
[14:50] <oracleoftruth> repos def enabled. apt-get update will update packages; just can't install or upgrade them
[15:03] <Krow_> Installed Kubuntu 11.04 from Live CD, installation completes with no issues, asks to reboot inorder to use the new installation, boots to flashing curser at the top left of the screen and hangs.... Can how ever install any other distro of linux and works with no issues....
[15:04] <Krow_> 64 bit i might add
[15:11] <oracleoftruth> can anyone suggest how to fix my apt problem please? Can't install or upgrade anythinG!
[15:32] <BluesKaj> oracleoftruth, try running the gui upgrade manager
[15:34] <BluesKaj> err update-manager-kde
[15:35] <oracleoftruth> tried that thanks; muon is the new one. Doesn't work either. May have to reinstall
[15:37] <BluesKaj> oracleoftruth, did you try a different server ?
[15:39] <oracleoftruth> don't think its server issue; apt itself seems to be broken!
[15:40] <mutley89> Is there any way to set colour schemes differently depending on the application in kde?
[15:42] <fabian__> hOLA
[15:43] <mutley89> The reason I ask is that I have the general colour scheme to to a dark one mostly using blacks and dark reds which looks okay, however when using programs like poen office they interpret this as the background colour to display documents, which makes them hard to read, is there any way to change this?
[15:44] <Tm_T> mutley89: hmm, only for the openoffice?
[15:45] <mutley89> ideally
[15:45] <Tm_T> hmmm
[15:46] <Tm_T> mutley89: see openoffice settings -> appearance
[15:46] <Tm_T> if you have patience, just make a new colour scheme within the openoffice
[15:50] <mutley89> Tm_T:where is the appearence menu?
[15:50] <mutley89> It's actually libre office if that makes any difference
[15:53] <Tm_T> mutley89: tools menu, in the bottom is settings or configure
[15:53] <Tm_T> when you get the settings window open, appearance should be somewhere there
[15:56] <mutley89> ah, found it, cheers
[16:29] <adminku> hi... question: my taskbar is on the top of the desktop... how do i bring it back? thx.
[16:29] <adminku> i'm running kubuntu 11.04
[16:30] <bulldog98_> adminku: click on the crashew (the thing in the egde of the panel)
[16:30] <adminku> ok
[16:30] <bulldog98_> than klick on the screen edge
[16:30] <adminku> ok, and?
[16:30] <bulldog98_> button and move it :)
[16:31] <adminku> nope...
[16:41] <user> Hello, I am looking for help. I issued subo commands to install software, and issued the subo update and subo upgrade commands.
[16:41] <user> it is installed ubuntu software on top of my kubuntu
[16:42] <user> can i reverse this by re-updating with kubuntu
[16:42] <user> or is there a way to undo what I did
[16:42] <user> ?
[16:42] <shadeslayer> user: just remove the ubuntu software center using the apt-get remove command
[16:42] <shadeslayer> but, it was probably installed because some app needs it
[16:42] <shadeslayer> what command did you run?
[16:43] <user> hold on let me get the commands,
[16:44] <user> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:team-xbmc
[16:44] <user> sudo apt-get update
[16:44] <user> sudo apt-get install xbmc
[16:44] <user> sudo apt-get update
[16:44] <user> sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:44] <FloodBotK2> user: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:44] <user> i issued these commands under root.
[16:45] <user> is the "get and remove software application" for Ubuntu?
[16:45] <user> and do you think there will be problems with my Kubuntu that I have ran those commands? on my system start up it now says Ubuntu instead of Kubuntu. :) which is weird.
[16:46] <user> it says Ubuntu instead of Kubuntu on the Grub start up splash screen.
[16:46] <user> :) lol
[16:48] <James147> user: it says ubuntu in grub for kubuntu any way... since kubuntu is just ubuntu with kde (and without gnome)
[16:50] <user> I see, so will there be any problems with my system that I ran those commands, I want to make the right choice now to avoid a system crash and loss data
[16:50] <user> can I also install gnome into my kde as well ?
[16:50] <James147> user: its likly you installed a desktopenvroment ontop of kubuntu... you should be able toswitch between them from the login manager
[16:50] <user> I see,
[16:51] <James147> user: if you want to install gnome then install the package "ubuntu-desktop"
[16:51] <user> awesome,
[16:51] <user> sounds good,
[16:52] <user> I wont run into problems with Kubuntu if I install gnome.
[16:52] <James147> user: you shouldn't
[16:52] <user> I am used to using the older linux operating systems where we would install gnome, kde and xwindows and we select them.
[16:52] <user> Thanks, !!
[16:53] <vincen> kkk
[16:53] <vincen> hi
[16:53] <vincen> i want ur help
[16:54] <James147> !help | vincen
[17:08] <TheBuntu> How do i get bluetooth keyboard and mouse working
[17:15] <Peace-> TheBuntu: mmm
[17:16] <OerHeks> setup pairing with an usb/ps2 keyboard & mouse ?
[17:16] <Peace-> sudo apt-get install bluetooth bluez bluez-alsa bluez-cups bluez-gstreamer bluez-utils  libbluetooth3 python-bluez libmulticobex1 libobexftp0 libopenobex1 obex-data-server obexd-client python-obexftp obexfs
[17:16] <Peace-> the ubottu sudo apt-get install bluetooth bluez bluez-alsa bluez-cups bluez-gstreamer bluez-utils  libbluetooth3 python-bluez libmulticobex1 libobexftp0 libopenobex1 obex-data-server obexd-client python-obexftp obexf
[17:16] <Peace-> omg
[17:16] <FloodBotK2> Peace-: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:16] <Peace-> TheBuntu: sudo apt-get install bluetooth bluez bluez-alsa bluez-cups bluez-gstreamer bluez-utils kdebluetooth libbluetooth3 python-bluez libmulticobex1 libobexftp0 libopenobex1 obex-data-server obexd-client python-obexftp obexfs
[17:16] <Peace-> delete  kdebluetooth from the list
[17:18] <TheBuntu> kinda figured that when it said...  kdebluetooth' has no installation candidate
[17:23] <OerHeks> TheBuntu, are you on KDE or Gnome/unity ?
[17:34] <TheBuntu> OerHeks: kde
[18:29] <giantpune> does anybody know about the kubuntu file transfer stuff?  im talking about when you select a file in dolphin and press ctrl+c and then paste the file in a different location
[18:30] <giantpune> for some reason, this operation is painfully slow for me using kubuntu.  when i boot up ubuntu and copy the same files from the same hard drive, it goes much faster
[18:32] <Guest72049> shreeja has joined
[18:40] <nikola> is there a change in policy about chromium updates in natty? it is still on version 12!? before version 12 i had updates... but version 13 is out for over the month and still no updates
[19:06] <draik> Hello all. I removed GRUB on a laptop with Win7 and I can't get the MBR back. Is there a way to remove GRUB and restore the Win7 boot manager in the MBR?
[19:07] <giantpune> use the windows installation/repair disc.
[19:07] <draik> giantpune: I don't have that :(
[19:08] <giantpune> a quick google search will give you the link to one
[19:14] <salva> ciao
[19:15] <salva> qualcunopuo darmi una mano ho un problema
[19:15] <salva> con un paio di aplicazzioni
[19:18] <BarkingFish> !it|salva
[19:21] <salva> grazzie amico
[19:22] <BarkingFish> :)
[19:53] <linux-beginner-h> how can I migrate my mails from kmail to kmail2?
[19:54] <linux-beginner-h> my imap is working fine... but I have also some offline mails... which I would like to migrate...
[19:55] <uc> hallo, mit welches tool kann ich auslesen welches mainboard in meinem laptop eingebaut ist ?
[19:55] <mrpixel> hello!!!
[19:56] <irony> Bonjour. Je suis nouveau sous linux, et j'ai une question. Comment lancer un .run ?
[19:58] <irony> How can I "execute" a .run on linux plz ?
[20:02] <linux-beginner-h> irony:  ./filename.run
[20:02] <linux-beginner-h> command line
[20:16] <howlymowly_> hi poeple..  i just tried updating to oneiric using the update manager and got this error:  An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[20:16] <howlymowly_> Please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the following error message:
[20:16] <howlymowly_> 'E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.'
[20:16] <howlymowly_> any idea?
[21:26] <jbu> hi all: I'm looking for an alternative to ubuntu that isn't unity or gnome3 based and am looking at kubuntu, but all my past exp. w/ kde has been that it's really buggy...can anyone speak for 11.04 kubuntu?
[21:27] <winut> my dad uses kubuntu 11.10, works fine for him
[21:28] <winut> however, he uses synaptic as muon is bust in this version!
[21:28] <jbu> 11.10?
[21:28] <winut> i'm sure it will be fixed eventually and will be much better than synaptic
[21:29] <winut> yeah, beta
[21:29] <winut> it has kde 4.7 :-)
[21:29] <jbu> i've used kde before and it works almost perfectly but just minor bugs everywhere
[21:29] <Kimlaroux> I went back to 10.04.... more stable = more usable
[21:29] <jbu> i just want to know if it's still the same way
[21:29] <winut> i tried ubuntu 11.10 but that was like hell on earth
[21:30] <Kimlaroux> it hasn't changed... well actually yes it did : now it's almost impossible to manually fix those annoying bugs
[21:30] <jbu> :( this is depressing guys
[21:30] <Kimlaroux> doesn't stop me from using kubuntu and nothing else though
[21:31] <jbu> winut, so your dad has no problem w/ 11.10 but you found it really bad?
[21:31] <Kimlaroux> it depends how you use it
[21:31] <jbu> at the time i tried kubuntu last, i was using kde in the most basic way
[21:31] <winut> ubuntu 11.10 had too many show stopping bugs, made us switch to kde
[21:31] <jbu> must've been 10.04 or 10.10
[21:32] <jbu> i guess i'll check out xfce
[21:32] <jbu> it's just so...ugly
[21:32] <winut> and my dad prefers it, as it has some really good apps, like k3b, amarok, kate etc
[21:33] <jbu> kate is amazing
[21:33] <jbu> kate just loads up SOOO slowly in gnome
[21:33] <jbu> probably expected
[21:33] <winut> also the chat program is amazing :-)
[21:33] <winut> better irc client i have ever seen
[21:33] <jbu> winut, what's it called?
[21:33] <winut> kopete?
[21:34] <jbu> ah yes
[21:34] <Kimlaroux> Quassel
[21:34] <winut> sorry, quassel
[21:34] <Kimlaroux> Interrestingly, I never tried it
[21:35] <Kimlaroux> maybe I should, people seems to like it
[21:35] <winut> im using osx atm, but will surely run kubuntu or xubuntu on my laptop when its fixed
[21:35] <winut> it has chat replay and stuff like that
[21:35] <winut> so if you reboot you know where you are. also kde supports window memory as well
[21:36] <nikola> if you want stable system install kubuntu 11.04 and update it to kde 4.6.5
[21:36] <winut> what is the package manager for that?
[21:36] <winut> nikola: 11.04
[21:37] <nikola> go to kubuntu.org and download 11.04 version
[21:38] <nikola> it is super stable. at least for me :)
[21:39] <jbu> how can people stick around with kde?  it's been unstable for so long (at least in my experience)
[21:39] <jbu> oops just started a flamewar probably
[21:39] <nikola> newest vesion 11.10 which will be released in october is buggy at the moment
[21:40] <nikola> jbu install 11.04 and update kde from default 4.6.2 to 4.6.5
[21:40] <nikola> and it will be rock solid
[21:40] <jbu> nikola, thanks, i might try it out today
[21:42] <nikola> jbu: for newest bugfix release 4.6.5 you have to install kubuntu ppa ( sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa )
[21:43] <nikola> jbu: and if you want the best performance my advice is to turn off vsync and blur effect in desktop effect
[21:43] <nikola> :)
[21:45] <jbu> oh ok thanks
[21:45] <jbu> i think ill be trying kubuntu today and if that's even the least bit buggy im headed to xubuntu
[21:46] <nikola> once you get used to kde, it is very hard to go back to anything else :)
[21:47] <nikola> good night everybody
[21:47] <jbu> good night? jeez where are u
[21:47] <jbu> goodnight
[21:47] <nikola> europe :)
[21:47] <jbu> ah ok
[21:47] <nikola> it is 11.50 pm here
[21:47] <nikola> c ya
[21:57] <marquee_> howdy
[21:58] <marquee_> is there anyone here that can answer a quick kpackagekit question?
[22:01] <valorie> yes: use Muon instead
[22:01] <valorie> :-)
[22:03] <valorie> but seriously, marquee_ -- just ask your question
[22:03] <valorie> if someone can help, they will
[22:09] <marquee_> cool thanks
[22:09] <marquee_> umm i just downloaded and isntalled kubuntu
[22:09] <marquee_> and after booting, first thing I did was run kpackagekit to update everything
[22:10] <marquee_> right now though,
[22:10] <marquee_> its stuck on language-pack-kde-en-base
[22:10] <marquee_> should i just cancel it and update everything again?
[22:10] <marquee_> or is there another fix?
[22:13] <szal> is there no KDE 4.7.1 for Natty?
[22:13] <szal> the kubuntu-backports PPA still has 4.7.0
[22:14] <DaemonFC> 4.7.1 is only in Oneiric right now
[22:14] <szal> is it planned to be pushed into backports?
[22:15] <DaemonFC> no clue
[22:16] <Mindolo> Hola a todos
[22:17] <OerHeks> szal no, afaik
[22:17] <Mindolo> klk
[22:19] <valorie> yikes, marquee
[22:19] <valorie> I've been there
[22:19]  * valorie hates kpackagekit
[22:19] <valorie> and we no longer use it by default, as of Oneiric
[22:20] <valorie> !dpkg
[22:20] <szal> OerHeks: hmm..  what's the use of having 4.7.0 when 4.7.1 won't be pushed?
[22:20] <valorie> 4.7.0 is good
[22:21] <hallman> Am I correct to assume that egit was for some reason taken out of the package repositoy - and therefore uninstalled on my system? This pisses me off to no end
[22:21] <valorie> !info egit
[22:21] <hallman> I'm not sure if the package name was "egit"..
[22:21] <valorie> !egit
[22:21] <hallman> Probably not then
[22:22] <hallman> But that's the name of the program. git plugin for eclipse.
[22:22] <valorie> !info eclipse
[22:22] <valorie> possibly there is a new plugin for the update?
[22:23] <hallman> Can't find anything suiting when I search for eclipse or git
[22:23] <hallman> It seems gone
[22:23] <hallman> And it's definitely gone from my system
[22:23] <valorie> hmmm, and no #eclipse
[22:23] <valorie> but there certainly is a #git
[22:24] <valorie> whatup, alis?
[22:24] <hallman> They're not the ones fucking things up
[22:25] <valorie> I spoke too soon
[22:25] <valorie> do the command /msg alis list *eclipse*
[22:25] <valorie> and choose the best one
[22:25] <valorie> kubuntu can't provide packages which aren't available
[22:25] <valorie> or won't build
[22:26] <valorie> !update
[22:26] <hallman> Surely the ubuntu people put together their own manifests or whatever they need for the package system to intstall software? Like every other dist out there..
[22:27] <valorie> indeed, but upstreams provide most applications which are then packaged
[22:28] <marquee_> so i should just use kpackage to get oneiric
[22:28] <hallman> However it works, seems pretty shitty to just remove it from the package system and hence, MY system
[22:28] <marquee_> and once I got oneiric, never use kpackagekit again?
[22:28] <hallman> Rather than just leaving it until the update works
[22:28] <hallman> Or whatever the problem is now
[22:30] <valorie> hallman, what I would do is stop the download
[22:30] <valorie> then do, in a console: dpkg --configure -a
[22:30] <valorie> then do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:30] <valorie> in Oneiric, you'll have to choose kpk deliberately
[22:31] <valorie> and now you can choose Muon if you want
[22:31] <valorie> hallman, if it doesn't work, or doesn't build, why would it be included?
[22:32] <valorie> if the developer of the plugin didn't update it to the next version of eclipse, It Won't Work
[22:33] <valorie> Kubuntu doesn't want to deliver packages that Won't Work
[22:33] <valorie> you may be able to roll back your eclipse, I don't know
[22:34] <marquee_> valorie, this is kinda nooby question, but how do i use dpkg?
[22:34] <hallman> fine, thanks for the suggestions. I'll just use command line git in the meanwhile..
[22:34] <marquee_> is it terminal only? or is there a way to run it in a ui?
[22:34] <marquee_> gui*
[22:34] <valorie> sorry I couldn't help more, hallman
[22:34] <valorie> marquee_: you can run it in Konsole
[22:35] <valorie> alt+f2
[22:35] <valorie> then type Konsole
[22:35] <valorie> you don't have to go to a terminal
[22:35] <marquee_> whats the command to just search for updates for everything?
[22:35] <marquee_> like kpackage
[22:35] <valorie> sudo apt-get update
[22:36] <marquee_> thats it?
[22:36] <marquee_> wow
[22:36] <valorie> but then if you want to upgrade, it's best to do dist-upgrade, as I typed above
[22:36] <marquee_> i thought it was something different than apt
[22:36] <valorie> this is why people learn to use the cli
[22:36] <valorie> it's quick and fast
[22:36] <marquee_> k i'll keep both commands in archive, thanks
[22:36] <valorie> I like the guis also
[22:37] <valorie> but the cli is fast, and so much more reliable
[22:37] <valorie> especially than kpk
[22:37] <hallman> valorie: Would you know if egit will magically appear for me again when it is deemed stable again? Or will I have to look out for it?
[22:37] <valorie> I don't know -- I would google around for the egit project, and get in touch with the developer
[22:38] <hallman> Alrighty.. thanks again
[22:38] <valorie> most devels like to hear from users who like their stuff
[22:38] <valorie> your contact could be what makes them wake up and update
[22:38] <valorie> :-)
[22:38] <marquee_> i got another qeustion: on the site, it says that 11.04 won't be supported bast october
[22:38] <valorie> no, that's incorrect
[22:39] <marquee_> will i still be able to just use sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade at that time to get the official 11.04 isntead of the beta?
[22:39] <valorie> in October, 11.10 comes out
[22:39] <valorie> but that doesn't mean that 11.04 loses support
[22:39] <marquee_> ah
[22:40] <marquee_> well thanks a ton
[22:40] <marquee_> i'll be back if i run into other issues, I hope you'll still be around valorie :P
[22:40] <valorie> heh, I'm far from the most knowlegeable here
[22:42] <marquee_> but its enough to be able to help me out :P anyways im out
[22:42] <marquee_> l8erz thanks again
[23:07] <cher> Hi. Networking question. Although sudo /sbin/ifconfig shows that I have an eth0 up and running, sudo /sbin/ifdown eth0 says "interface not configured". What do I have to do instead?
[23:08] <BarkingFish> cher, do you have an entry in /etc/network/interfaces for eth0?
[23:09] <BarkingFish> ifup and ifdown only work if I remember correctly, if there is an entry for them in there.
[23:09] <BarkingFish> it would look something like     auto eth0 inet   or similar
[23:10] <cher> Ah found it. ifconfig eth0 down.
[23:10] <cher> Hrmpf
[23:11] <cher> Although route shows wlan0 as route, routing no longer works after ifconfig eth0 down.
[23:12] <cher> Test
[23:22] <ccux> sombody speak in intalian?
[23:22] <ccux> sombody speak italian?