[01:49] <tensorpudding> nice bug with the launcher
[01:49] <tensorpudding> dragging apps into the launcher leaves a big empty spot
[02:49] <mihai_> hello there
[02:51] <mihai_> can someone help me? i installed oneiric daily build then updated using update-manager, and after restarting the os, time indicator applet shows "Time", instead of the actual time
[03:20] <bullgard4> UpdateManager showed an entry "Distribution upgrades" and an associated checkbox, along with the names of several packages that it proposed to upgrade. What does this entry "Distribution upgrades" mean?
[03:56] <dr_willis> Hmm
[07:07] <iceroot_> is lubuntu-desktop not using pulse-audio? i dont have pulse-oss or alsa installed but i have sound. what is the soundsystem in 11.10 (in lubuntu-desktop)
[07:08] <dr_willis> it msay be using just alsa. cant say ive ever noticed. :)
[07:08] <dr_willis> i always use ubuntu then install lubuntu so i get pulse
[07:09] <iceroot_> i want padevchooser to stream the audio to another pulse-server. padevchooser has been removed in 11.10 and pulse is not installed....
[07:09] <dr_willis> !info padevchooser
[07:10] <iceroot_> !info padevchooser 11.04
[07:10] <dr_willis> Hmm.   cant say ive ever used it..
[07:10] <iceroot_> !info padevchooser natty
[07:10] <dr_willis> They really need to focus on making pulse audio better someday. :) theres so many tricks and neat things it can do.. but its so hidden.
[07:11] <iceroot_> pulseaudio is very nice, specially the network streaming-function
[07:11] <iceroot_> but i dont get why i dont have pulse installed and why padevchooser has been removed. havent found a changelog/bugreport about the reason...
[07:12] <iceroot_> and also i dont get what is producing sound here, alsa, oss and pulse are not running/installed
[07:12] <dr_willis> perhaps it got renamed? ive not really dont much sound on my beta system yet.
[07:12] <dr_willis> alsa should be installed.
[07:13] <iceroot_> dr_willis: you know a place to see when a package has been renamed? or integrated into other packages?
[07:14] <ubuntu_> I have a new computer that I'm trying to install ubuntu 11.10 on along side Windows.  Install works fine but when the computer reboots it goes str8 to windows without the grub menu.  can anyone help?
[07:14] <iceroot_> ubuntu_: reinstall grub, maybe it was not installed (or installed on another drive)
[07:15] <dr_willis> iceroot_:  never really noticed. I do se ei have alsa here. :) but this is a ubuntu system
[07:15] <iceroot_> ubuntu_: or you are not booting from the drive which contains grub
[07:15] <ubuntu_> tried that via chroot
[07:15] <ubuntu_> no go
[07:15] <iceroot_> ubuntu_: no need for chroot
[07:15] <urlin2u> ubuntu_, you have the live cd?
[07:16] <ubuntu_> yes
[07:16] <iceroot_> ubuntu_: you have mor then one drive?
[07:16] <ubuntu_> I'm on it right now
[07:16] <ubuntu_> I have 2tb drive
[07:16] <dr_willis> hmm.  has anyone notced a 'repair grub' item on the cd?  I sware i saw that  somwehere.. once.. :) but cant find it again.
[07:16] <urlin2u> ubuntu_, run this script and pastebin the RESULTS.txt  http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/
[07:16] <iceroot_> dr_willis: never saw something like that
[07:17] <dr_willis> there is a 3rd party app to repair grub. i wonder if it made it into the  11.10 release.
[07:17] <iceroot_> dr_willis: ah there was something like "fix x-server, restore grub" and so on but if i am correct that is not on the cd, that is on the installed system
[07:17] <dr_willis> saw a remastered 11.04 cd that included the app. very handy. I had a link to it on my delicious.com/dr_willis links.
[07:17] <dr_willis> iceroot_:  oh in the recovery menu items perhaps?
[07:18] <iceroot_> dr_willis: yes
[07:18] <dr_willis> but if grub is broke you cant get there. :)
[07:18] <iceroot_> dr_willis: correct :) it was more like "detect other systems and put them into grub like a missing windows"
[07:18] <dr_willis> I always put an extra grub install to a spare flash drive in case windows or somthing trashes grub these days.
[07:18] <urlin2u> dr_willis, I wouldn't trust any app to repair grub personally, it is a easy job anyway.
[07:19] <dr_willis> Untill you hav to explain how to do it to a newbie that dosent even understand what a terminal is...
[07:19] <dr_willis> :)
[07:19] <dr_willis> then explain it 100 times in one month.
[07:19] <urlin2u> oh the perils.
[07:19] <iceroot_> or what grub is...
[07:19] <dr_willis> Oh the Huge-manatee! :)
[07:20] <dr_willis> one of these days i need to figure out the proper way to remove grub from a external usb hd. that i have removed ubuntu from. :)
[07:20] <urlin2u> I wish people would just image their setups
[07:20] <dr_willis> had a external usb booting to a broken grub by default once...
[07:20] <iceroot_> the icon in sys-tray which is showing up by new mails or other notifications, is that an lxde or general ubuntu-feature?
[07:20] <ubuntu_> urlin2u:  I have the script downloaded...  how do I run it?
[07:21] <urlin2u> ubuntu_, unpack it to the desktop and run this just as the link says. sudo bash ~/Desktop/boot_info_script.sh
[07:21] <iceroot_> dr_willis: sudo dd if=/dev/zeri of=/dev/sdX bs=512  will remove grub :) (and the partiton-layout and other mbr settings) :)
[07:21] <iceroot_> zero
[07:22] <dr_willis> I dident want to remove the layout.. just the  grub.
[07:22] <dr_willis> it was a ex-ubuntu boot disk i put in a usb enclosure and reparittioned. :)
[07:22] <dr_willis> i need to learn a better way to remove grub then using dd to zero out the  whold disk. :P
[07:23] <dr_willis> I think if theres some count you give. it will just get grub.
[07:23] <dr_willis> but i wanted NO grub or any other boot record there.
[07:24] <ubuntu_> urlin2u:  http://pastebin.com/Rp2nGk5j
[07:24] <iceroot_> you just have to know where grub is exactly in the first 512bytes
[07:25] <iceroot_> there was a wikipedia-artikel in what byte-ranges the partiton-layout,grub and so on is
[07:26] <dr_willis> yea, i recall seeing how to backup and restore grub via dd. but what if you want to restore a 'empty' mbr. :)
[07:26] <iceroot_> very interesting, i cant use "sudo apt-get install paman" on lubuntu, but when i use "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" paman will be installed (and some pulse-packages will be removed
[07:26] <dr_willis> Guess i could backup the mbr from a non-bootable hd.
[07:27] <iceroot_> libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio is the conflict-package between lubuntu and ubuntu...
[07:28] <iceroot_> time to spend more testing on lubuntu then on ubuntu :)
[07:29] <dr_willis> I imagine Lubuntu will get a lot more popluar when this release hits  the public
[07:29] <ubuntu_> urlin2u:  I think that grub is planting itself somewhere that it's not supposed to...  I'm trying to figure out where the "right place" might be.
[07:29] <urlin2u> ubuntu_, you are missing the /boot/grub/core.img in the bootline of the partition and the MS boot is still in the mbr, chroot in again, and run sudo apt-get install grub-pc grub-common the install to the mbr.
[07:29] <ubuntu_> k
[07:30] <urlin2u> ubuntu_, the=then, I don't know may take a purge and reinstal of grub, but probably not.
[07:30] <iceroot_> dr_willis: i hope so, its the only usable desktop which is supported
[07:33] <dr_willis> old-skool desktop :)
[07:34] <dr_willis> i noticed that icewm was not very useable  last i tried it.  had a lot of features that used to exist now broken or missing
[07:35] <ubuntu_> urlin2u:  should I select "/DEV/SDA" or /DEV/SDA5"?
[07:35] <urlin2u> ubuntu_, here is the chroot purge and reinstall and loading the mbr if it helps. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Purge_.26_Reinstall
[07:36] <urlin2u> ubuntu_, sda5 is the ubuntuOS
[07:37] <urlin2u> ubuntu_, if it was me I would run the purge it probably will be needed, hard to say never been in this predicament.
[07:37] <urlin2u> ubuntu_, the sda is  used so is the sda5 read the link carefully.
[07:46] <bullgard4> '~$ uname -v' obtains the kernel version number. But what command obtains the (daily) build number?
[07:53] <trijntje> what is the shortcut key to open the Dash in oneiric?
[07:54] <trijntje> windows/super doesnt work here
[07:54] <bullgard4> trijntje: What desktop have you selected?
[07:55] <bullgard4> when you logged in
[07:55] <trijntje> bullgard4: I dont know, left it at the default. I do have the unity bar etc
[07:57] <bullgard4> trijntje: So I cannot help you.
[07:57] <trijntje> i'll check, brb
[07:59] <trijntje> bullgard4: Ubuntu, not Ubuntu 2D
[08:00] <ikonia> bullgard4: how many times have you bneen told to not cross post stuff
[08:00] <ikonia> bullgard4: what version of ubuntu are you running
[08:02] <iceroot_> what is the way to remove "ubuntu-desktop" + dependecies in 11.10? fpr 11.04 there was !purelxde which does not fit with 11.10
[08:03] <bullgard4> ikonia: I am running ubuntu 11.10
[08:03] <ikonia> bullgard4: ok - so PLEASE stop cross-posting 11.10 stuff in #ubuntu, you've been asked not to do this before
[08:03] <ikonia> bullgard4: the daily build you talk about is not actually a software version, but a version of the OS - so commands such as uname will not show it
[08:04] <bullgard4> ikonia: I have not asked what what commands will not shouw it but I rather asked what command will show it.
[08:04] <ikonia> bullgard4: if I linux build thats rebuilt every day with a minor patch change (for example) the daily build will be 3 (I built it for 3 days) but the software versions will stay the same, so software that queries version numbers will not know
[08:05] <ikonia> bullgard4: the version number is an administration task, not a software version
[08:05] <ikonia> bullgard4: you may see it in the lsb output if the person doing the builds chooses to include it, but it's not worth the effort.
[08:06] <bullgard4> Ah, I see. --  Thank you.
[08:07] <trijntje> bullgard4: I'm running the default unity interface, not unity 2D
[08:08] <bullgard4> trijntje: I think this is an error, and you should report it in Launchpad.
[08:08] <trijntje> bullgard4: k, thanks
[08:09] <cheche> does anyone notice that 11.10 takes longer than 10.04?
[08:09] <trijntje>   lol, now it works again...
[08:10] <bullgard4> cheche: What operation takes longer?
[08:10] <cheche> startup
[08:10] <bullgard4> cheche: No. Quite the contrary: On my computer, it is faster.
[08:10] <cheche> bullgard4: I have test it 11.10 for a netbook
[08:11] <cheche> given that unity was target mainly for them
[08:11] <bullgard4> cheche: My computer is a Thinkpad T61.
[08:12] <cheche> bullgard4: is there anything that I can do so it gets faster?
[08:14] <bullgard4> cheche: Probably. For example removing services that you do not need. But this will likely effect only a few percent of the boot-up time. It is likely that there is a configuration error in your computer. You'll need to analyze several boot-up processes. Which may turn out difficult.
[08:24] <cheche> bullgard4: what i notice is tha shutdown still fast.
[08:37] <bullgard4> hehe
[08:52] <bullgard4> Since today's dist-upgrade I can no longergraphically  suspend my computer. Is this a known bug?
[08:52] <zniavre> good morning
[08:53] <zniavre> i experienced some error during the boot just before gdm (something about monted .0 i should type S to continu) this is known there a bug report about it ? wich soft can be in causes?
[09:16] <zniavre> !gnome-core
[09:17] <zniavre> no more gnome-core package for oneiric ?
[09:18] <joepa> I've lost the ability to set my laptop to suspend (or hibernate) on lid close in oneiric
[09:18] <joepa> I see the option in power settings, it's just greyed out
[09:18] <joepa> I can suspend/hibernate manually by calling pm-* from teh command line
[09:19] <joepa> I don't see any recent bugs on launchpad that report this problem
[09:20] <joepa> any ideas, before I report it as a new bug?
[09:34] <mihai_> hello
[09:35] <mihai_> i've got a problem, maybe someone can help me: the time indicator shows "Time" instead of the actual time. This happened last night after i updated from newly installed daily build, using update-manager
[09:39] <joepa> I "fixed" the suspend problem by plugging into ac power and rebooting (neither of those things alone fixed the problem)
[09:39] <joepa> now the options for suspend and hibernate can be selected in power settings
[09:40] <joepa> not a real explanation for the original cause, but maybe useful if anyone else runs into the same problem and just needs a quick fix
[10:07] <bullgard4> zniavre: gdm is no longer the display manager.
[10:07] <zniavre> bulldog98_,  i still prefer that one
[10:08] <zniavre> im using minimal installation with only gnome-panel session (fallback)
[10:08] <zniavre> cause my computer is not good enough to make unity and gnome-shell running well
[10:08] <bullgard4> joepa: Launchpad bug #852469
[10:09] <zniavre> bulldog98_,  sorry tabfail
[10:09] <zniavre> bullgard4,  ** was for your answer
[10:11] <SavageWolf> Hm... Apparently upgrading to Oneric set /tmp to rwx-r-wr-w...
[10:11] <SavageWolf> *rwxr-xr-x
[10:11] <bullgard4> zniavre: I could not understand your English at 10:52 - 11:17 GMT+2.
[10:12] <zniavre> im sorry it's not my native language ...   :o(
[10:13] <SavageWolf> I feel I should report this as a bug or something... Maybe...
[10:14] <mihai_> i've got a problem, maybe someone can help me: the time indicator shows "Time" instead of the actual time. This happened last night after i updated from newly installed daily build, using update-manager
[10:18] <bullgard4> SavageWolf: Wrong.
[10:20] <SavageWolf> Uh... How am I wrong?
[10:31] <bullgard4> SavageWolf: Not rwxr-xr-x but drwxrwxrwt.
[11:19] <AlanBell> spd-say "ubuntu oh-neric osselot"
[11:20] <AlanBell> does that sound about right to you?
[11:20] <dr_willis> I wanted it to be Obsessive Otter :)
[11:20] <AlanBell> spd-say "ubuntu oneiric ocelot" <- compare it to that
[11:21] <AlanBell> which makes the installer sound rather daft
[11:21] <dr_willis> and a bit of a tounge twister 'she sells sea shells by the sea shore' :)
[11:45] <zhiwei> hello everyone. how to hide battery icon on panel?
[11:46] <zhiwei> someone said that this is a bug in indicator-power:http://askubuntu.com/questions/56255/hide-battery-status-icon-in-oneiric-ocelot-alpha3
[12:03] <trijntje> what does the unity option 'automatically grid windows on timer in switcher' do? I've enabled it but I dont notice any difference
[13:06] <necreo> erm
[13:06] <necreo> when I start banshee, the GUI freezes and I can only move my mouse pointer
[13:07] <necreo> happens since the last update.. anyone else?
[13:16] <necreo> anyone?
[14:02] <Q-FUNK> re
[14:03] <jMCg> sensors output: http://sprunge.us/DeBf
[14:03] <jMCg> The fan is audibly running all the time, this didn't happen before the update.. All of this while the system is running practically idle: http://sprunge.us/AYbO
[14:03] <Q-FUNK> just upgraded one natty host with a gnome desktop.  X keeps on complaining that it's not able to update ~/.ICEauthority
[14:04] <jMCg> Q-FUNK: does the file/directory exist, is it writable to you?
[14:05] <Q-FUNK> ~/ exists and is writable
[14:07] <vinylfreak89> how can i upgarde from the kubuntu desktop to oneiric
[14:08] <dr_willis> vinylfreak89:  kubuntu is ubuntu with kde.. so yes..
[14:08] <vinylfreak89> in previous releases there was a command u issued equivalent to release-update -d for kubuntu
[14:08] <dr_willis> should be same for kubuntu/ubuntu/lubuntu/ and so on.
[14:08] <dr_willis> !upgrade
[14:11] <vinylfreak89> thanks but i've already seen those guides
[14:12] <vinylfreak89> im specifically referring to the command line param that brings up this tool
[14:14] <vinylfreak89> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NattyUpgrades/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=11.04-natty-upgrade5.png
[14:16] <Q-FUNK> jMCg, is there any log file you can think of that would tell me more about why creating/updating .ICEauthority fails?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:32] <vinylfreak89> hi blueskaj
[14:34] <BluesKaj> hi vinylfreak89
[14:35] <vinylfreak89> blueskaj are you familliar with upgrading kubuntu using the gui method?
[14:38] <BluesKaj> GUI method , do you mean with the upgrade manager ? I'm not aware one can upgrade to a devel version with it .
[14:38] <vinylfreak89> yes
[14:38] <vinylfreak89> in previous releases there was a way you could upgrdae equivalent to using gonme's update-manager
[14:39] <vinylfreak89> but i can't seem to find the command
[14:40] <BluesKaj> it's easier IMO , just to upgrade with , sudo do-release-upgrade -d , in the terminal.
[14:40] <vinylfreak89> it won't screw anything up?
[14:40] <vinylfreak89> upgrades the packages the same way?
[14:43] <BluesKaj> vinylfreak89, yes the upgrade manager does the same thing except it uses a GUI, ...make sure you don't have any non default repos or ppas in your /etc/aptsources.list.d
[14:46] <charlie-tca> the update manager works if you use update-manager -d in a terminal
[14:46] <BluesKaj> err /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[14:46] <charlie-tca> It even updates the sources list for you
[14:46] <BluesKaj> charlie-tca, ok cool , din't think of that :)
[14:47] <mrdeb> hi
[14:47] <mrdeb> do you like the new ubuntu
[14:47] <mrdeb> it looks good
[14:49] <SirFunk> has anyone seen a problem running a statically compiled 32bit binary where it just says "No such file or directory"
[14:51] <mrdeb> what
[14:52] <corecode> hi, my aptitude is very confused and shows many packages twice
[14:52] <jtaylor> SirFunk: which binary?
[14:52] <SirFunk> oh wait
[14:52] <SirFunk> well, it's teamviewer which bundles wine with it
[14:52] <jtaylor> corecode: probably aptitude was not fixed for multiarch yet
[14:53] <corecode> is that a known problem?
[14:53] <SirFunk> but my system wide wine is giving the same problem
[14:53] <SirFunk> hmm
[14:53] <jtaylor> its known yes
[14:53] <corecode> jtaylor: what's multiarch?
[14:53] <jtaylor> corecode: allows installing libraries from multiple architectures on the same system
[14:53] <jtaylor> corecode: e.g. i386 and amd64
[14:53] <corecode> i gotta say, unity or gnome totally didn't work for me; had to switch to xmonad
[14:54] <corecode> jtaylor: ah with the same name
[14:54] <jtaylor> corecode: so your package manager know has each package multiple times (depending on the number of arch's you have activated)
[14:54] <corecode> mhm
[14:54] <jtaylor> some tools still need to be adapted to display this correctly
[14:54] <SirFunk> $ wine                      bash: /usr/bin/wine: No such file or directory
[14:54] <SirFunk> wtf
[14:54] <SirFunk> the file is clearly there!
[14:54] <corecode> SirFunk: bash missing?
[14:55] <jtaylor> SirFunk: please to: type wine
[14:55] <jtaylor> do
[14:55] <SirFunk> wine is hashed (/usr/bin/wine) ?
[14:55] <corecode> oh no
[14:55] <corecode> wine is 32 bit?
[14:55] <jtaylor> yes
[14:55]  * corecode scratches head
[14:55] <jtaylor> readelf -h /usr/bin/wine | grep Class
[14:55] <corecode> so you're missing some important libs for wine
[14:56] <SirFunk> corecode: how do i get them?
[14:57] <SirFunk> Class:                             ELF32
[14:57] <mrdeb> so 1110 is past beta now is htqat it
[14:57] <mrdeb> ?
[14:57] <mrdeb> so its good to install
[14:57] <jtaylor> beta 2 will be released soon
[14:57] <jtaylor> 21. sep I think
[14:58] <mrdeb> i used daily
[14:58] <mrdeb> and it seems good
[14:58] <jtaylor> SirFunk: what happens if you type /usr/bin/wine into the terminal
[14:58] <SirFunk> jtaylor: bash: /usr/bin/wine: No such file or directory
[14:59] <jtaylor> do you have wine installed`?
[15:00] <SirFunk> yes sir
[15:01] <jtaylor> wine 1.2 or wine 1.3?
[15:01] <mrdeb> so is it ok to intsall now
[15:01] <mrdeb> also, is it much diff from 1104
[15:02] <jtaylor> depends on how experienced you are and how tolerant to bugs
[15:02] <jtaylor> there are still many in the current state
[15:02] <SirFunk> jtaylor: was 1.2 .. I'm installing 1.3 now
[15:02] <jtaylor> I do not recommend changing to oneiric for your main system until at least the release
[15:03] <jtaylor> use a seperate install or a virtualmachine if you want to try it out
[15:05] <SirFunk> jtaylor: same problem with wine 1.3
[15:05] <jtaylor> what does this output: dpkg -S /usr/bin/wine
[15:06] <mrdeb> do the bugs destroy files
[15:06] <jtaylor> unlikely but possible
[15:06] <jtaylor> make backups
[15:07] <SirFunk> jtaylor: wine1.3: /usr/bin/wine
[15:07] <jtaylor> ok the file is there but when you execute it sais it isn't?
[15:08] <SirFunk> jtaylor: yup
[15:08] <SirFunk> jtaylor: i think i found the problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine1.3/+bug/852101
[15:08] <SirFunk> grrr
[15:09] <mrdeb> why doy ou type usr bin adn wine when yoyu can do wine only
[15:09] <mrdeb> ?
[15:09] <jtaylor> wine may be some alias or the PATH variable may point to something else
[15:10] <SirFunk> jtaylor: i think it's a missing library problem
[15:10] <jtaylor> possible
[15:10] <jtaylor> its working for me :/
[15:10] <jtaylor> strace /usr/bin/wine output would be interesting
[15:11] <jtaylor> strace /usr/bin/wine 2>&1 | pastebinit   but before you pipe it to pastebin check that there is no personal information in the output
[15:12] <corecode> odd, i can't get flash to work in chromium
[15:13] <SirFunk> hangon
[15:14] <SirFunk> jtaylor: http://paste.ubuntu.com/691613/
[15:15] <SirFunk> jtaylor: did you read that bug report? looks like my problem.. and i'm cnofused why it's working for you, can you tell me the  versions of wine/ia32-libs you have installed?
[15:15] <jtaylor> 1.3.28-0ubuntu1 and 20090808ubuntu22
[15:16] <jtaylor> SirFunk: can you do the same with strace -f -v
[15:17] <SirFunk> jtaylor: http://paste.ubuntu.com/691614/
[15:17] <SirFunk> jtaylor: yeah i have the same versions... weird!
[15:19] <jtaylor> strange problem
[15:19] <jtaylor> which wine gives /usr/bin/wine?
[15:20] <SirFunk> yup
[15:21] <SirFunk> oh jtaylor are you using a 64bit system?
[15:21] <jtaylor> yes
[15:21] <SirFunk> recently updated?
[15:22] <jtaylor> yes
[15:22] <SirFunk> frustrating
[15:23] <oCean> SirFunk: the problem might be the hashbang
[15:24] <SirFunk> hashbang? it's a binary there's no hashbang involved
[15:24] <SirFunk> $ file /usr/bin/wine
[15:24] <SirFunk> /usr/bin/wine: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped
[15:25] <oCean> I say this because of the error, and because of the strace output
[15:26] <oCean> Say I create a script with a faulty hashbang, it would output the exact strace errors
[15:26] <SirFunk> weird
[15:26] <SirFunk> because it's clearly a binary ...
[15:26] <james296> can anyone here give me a reason why as soon as I install Ubuntu 11.10 beta 1, I dont get any updates at all? I know recently when I got it I got a ton of updates
[15:26] <james296> this is the same download of Ubuntu 11.10 beta 1 as I had before, but no updates...
[15:27] <jtaylor> james296: maybe your mirror is lagging
[15:27] <oCean> SirFunk: no, I'm mistaken, nvm
[15:27] <james296> well, it successfully searched the repos and says no updates are found...
[15:27] <jtaylor> which mirror?
[15:27] <james296> I even ran through terminal
[15:27] <james296> main and the US server
[15:27] <jtaylor> whats your gcc-4.6 version?
[15:28] <james296> 4.6.1-2ubuntu5
[15:29] <jtaylor> urg that is old
[15:29] <james296> exactly
[15:29] <james296> alot are old on here
[15:29] <james296> but, no updates are found...
[15:30] <jtaylor> are you using a proxy or cacher?
[15:30] <james296> no
[15:30] <james296> I JUST freshly installed this, nothing different
[15:30] <james296> it is ran through Wubi though, under my Windows partition
[15:31] <james296> that normally never matters though
[15:31] <james296> so now what?
[15:32] <james296> what can I do?
[15:32] <jtaylor> no idea
[15:32] <jtaylor> I had a similar issue once with my cacher, only resolved it by wiping the cache
[15:33] <james296> so Im stuck with an outdated beta?
[15:33] <james296> along with crashes and unfixed bugs?
[15:33] <corecode> chromium+flash on 64bit, anybody got that working?
[15:33] <jtaylor> try apt-get clean and rm -f /var/lib/apt/lists/*
[15:33] <corecode> or should i file a bug report
[15:34] <jtaylor> corecode: does it work with firefox?
[15:34] <jtaylor> and for such issues its very likely there is already a bug open for it
[15:35] <corecode> does it work for you?
[15:35] <SirFunk> jtaylor: any other ideas for me?
[15:36] <jtaylor> I don't use chromium
[15:36] <james296> still doesnt work
[15:36] <jtaylor> SirFunk: no I don't understand the error
[15:36] <james296> this is so frustrating
[15:37] <james296> is there any explanation behind this?
[15:37] <jtaylor> james296: did you do apt-get update again?
[15:37] <corecode> hmmm
[15:37] <james296> let me try
[15:37] <corecode> doesn't work in firefox either
[15:37] <corecode> what is going on
[15:37] <jtaylor> do you get an error message?
[15:37] <jtaylor> amd64 system? do you ahve multiarch enabled?
[15:37] <Peter_Bilt> hi
[15:37] <Peter_Bilt> i got a problem
[15:38] <Peter_Bilt> # CCcam CCcam: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[15:38] <james296> no, no errors
[15:38] <Peter_Bilt> its 64bit arch on the local machine
[15:40] <james296> I just installed synaptic, no updates there either
[15:40] <james296> so, guess I have to be stuck just waiting for beta 2?
[15:40] <jtaylor> try using a different mirror
[15:41] <corecode> jtaylor: is multiarch enabled automatically?
[15:41] <jtaylor> corecode: depends whether your fresh installed or upgraded
[15:41] <corecode> fresh install
[15:41] <jtaylor> Peter_Bilt: you probably need to install lib32stdc++6
[15:42] <Peter_Bilt> its installed
[15:42] <Peter_Bilt> maybe not in path
[15:42] <corecode> firefox just shows that the plugin is needed
[15:42] <Peter_Bilt> usr/lib/ure/lib/libstdc++.so.6
[15:42] <SirFunk> jtaylor: ok, i'll just watch that bug report, sounds like the same problem
[15:42] <SirFunk> thanks for the help
[15:43] <jtaylor> Peter_Bilt: why aren't you using the system version?
[15:43] <Peter_Bilt> i don't change anything
[15:43] <Peter_Bilt> i just installed it today fresh w/o any change on ppa or so
[15:44] <Peter_Bilt> i just see that in apt cache
[15:44] <Peter_Bilt> var/cache/apt/archives/libstdc++6_4.6.1-9ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[15:44] <jtaylor> libstdc++ installes in /usr/lib/<triplet>
[15:45] <Peter_Bilt> yeah i supposed that too
[15:45] <BluesKaj> Peter_Bilt, james296,  did you remove the old ppas before upgrading to 11.10?
[15:45] <Peter_Bilt> i didnt upgrade
[15:45] <Peter_Bilt> i fresh installed
[15:47] <BluesKaj> Peter_Bilt, ok, your the second person to have this problem this morning , but the other guy is on kubuntu 11.04
[15:48] <Peter_Bilt> strange
[15:48] <BluesKaj> I also read an article about apt breaking on some installs
[15:48] <Peter_Bilt> i got a sandy bridge corei5 with 16gb ram
[15:48] <Peter_Bilt> i re-install this thing from apt cache now
[15:49] <bjsnider> i don't know if ubuntu will run on only 16gb of ram
[15:49] <james296> no old PPAs to remove, I reinstalled beta 1 directly
[15:52] <Peter_Bilt> strange the stuf is in apt-cache but doesnt find it
[15:54] <Peter_Bilt> it seems to be the libstdc package is borked or something
[15:54] <Peter_Bilt> because after installing it didnt apper on /usr/lib
[16:00] <Peter_Bilt> strange
[16:00] <Peter_Bilt> its in usr lib but why it didnt copy it?
[16:00] <jtaylor> did you install libstdc++6:i386?
[16:00] <corecode> hm.
[16:00] <corecode> firefox doesn't look in the directory flashplugin-installer installs in
[16:01] <Peter_Bilt> i tried the deb package
[16:01] <bjsnider> flash is installed and heavily linked using alternatives
[16:01] <corecode> yea
[16:01] <corecode> still
[16:01] <Peter_Bilt> but something is borked, i will have to copy it manually by extracting it and link
[16:01] <bjsnider> the links show up in every possible browser location
[16:01] <corecode> and the odd thing is that it is a 32bit package
[16:02] <corecode> well, 32bit library
[16:02] <Peter_Bilt> weird
[16:02] <Peter_Bilt> maybe a cup too much lol
[16:03] <corecode> bjsnider: well, they didn't
[16:03] <bjsnider> the link firefox uses is in /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins
[16:04] <corecode> not here
[16:05] <bjsnider> it's empty?
[16:05] <bjsnider> are you using the 64-bit browser?
[16:05] <corecode> firefox searched only in /usr/lib/firefox-7.0/plugins
[16:06] <corecode> which is a symlink to /usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins
[16:21] <Peter_Bilt> do i have to install the ia32 lib too?
[16:21] <Peter_Bilt> for stdc?
[16:24] <jtaylor> no
[16:24] <jtaylor> for oneiric it was multiarched
[16:24] <jtaylor> for older therre is a lib32 pakcage
[16:29] <Peter_Bilt> i hate those libstdc errors they may cause a fatal error later
[17:21] <maxagaz> hi
[17:21] <maxagaz> still possible to test gnome-shell in a virtualbox ?
[17:21] <maxagaz> s/possible/impossible
[17:26] <Peter_Bilt> yes
[18:08] <maxagaz> does it work better in vmware ?
[18:10] <penguin42> maxagaz: I guess it comes down to hell well 3d graphics work
[18:12] <maxagaz> I'm trying it anyway...
[18:12] <maxagaz> hope it will work
[18:12] <maxagaz> I'm impatient to see gnome-shell
[18:13] <maxagaz> unity is very nice, but I'm might prefer gnome-shell even if it's a little bit worst
[18:28] <oly_> hi, are there any known issues with 3d caused by the latest updates getting unable to initalise opengl error at the moment on an nvidia card ?
[19:22] <BluesKaj> I set the fonts in system settings as kdesudo but when I access files in dolphin and kate as kdesudo the fonts aren't applied. I'm on a big screen monitor so Ineed the fonts to be large
[19:23] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Hmm I'm betting that when run as sudo they can't access your settings files, they probably access roots
[19:26] <teh5abiking> hello everyone. sorry to irritate you guys, but i just installed ubuntu oneiric ocelot beta 1 on my computer, and when I tried to sync my 4th gen iPod touch, Banshee said that my iPod has the songs on it, but for some reason, it doesn't show up on my iPod's music app.
[19:34] <BluesKaj> penguin42, I set the fonts as root , which used to work in the past when i accessed files as root . Could this a user uid problem ?
[19:34] <BluesKaj> be
[19:34] <penguin42> oh, not sure
[19:35] <BluesKaj> well, time to do some searching , I guess
[19:59] <escott> BluesKaj, often a settings daemon has to be running. at least that is the case for gnome
[20:01] <escott> BluesKaj, there is a .gtkrc file where you could put config settings (it is seldom used) that operates independent of gnome-settings-daemon. perhaps kde has something similar
[20:10] <guntbert> what does "distribution updates" in update-manager mean? My UM tells me "system is up to date", but there are 9 packages (libreoffice) marked as "distribution updates"
[20:10] <jtaylor> it means installing these packages will add new additional packages or remove others
[20:11] <jtaylor> normally that does not happen during the lifetime of a stable release
[20:11] <jtaylor> only when you upgrade from one distribution to the next => distribution upgrade
[20:11] <jtaylor> for the development version that happens all the time
[20:13] <jtaylor> but you must take care about removals, sometimes the archives goes out of sync for related packages and an dist-upgrade will attempt to remove important packages
[20:13] <BluesKaj> escott, let me check
[20:13] <lucious> could I have some help confirming a bug, please?
[20:13] <guntbert> jtaylor: clear enough, thx - those packages are displayed but not selectable (even when "distribution updates" is checked) - thx for the warning, i almost always use aptitude safe-upgrade :)
[20:13] <bullgard4> guntbert: I believe it is equivalent to '~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[20:15] <guntbert> bullgard4: thx
[20:17] <howlymowly_> hi poeple..   shortf question: I just tried updating to oneiric, using the update-manager  and got this error message:
[20:17] <lucious> Whenever I take a screen capture with gnome-screenshot, the resulting image is the lightdm login screen. I am running a VM, so I hope someone could confirm if the same happens on real hardware? Scrot did the same.
[20:17] <howlymowly_> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[20:17] <howlymowly_> Please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the following error message:
[20:17] <howlymowly_> 'E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.'
[20:17] <howlymowly_> any idea?
[20:17] <howlymowly_> what this is all about?
[20:20] <lost_cause> Hi folks!  I can't seem to get 11.10 to install.  It just keep going right into Windows rather than a GRUB2 menu.
[20:20] <bullgard4> howlymowly_: You are requested to send an error report to Launchpad.
[20:20] <lost_cause> I've tried re-installing and chrooting to upgrade grub but no dice.
[20:20] <jtaylor> howlymowly_: I'd wait until tomorrow and try again
[20:20] <jtaylor> today there where some inconsistencies with gcc in the archive
[20:21] <howlymowly_> i see ...  what does "held packages" mean ? jtaylor
[20:21] <jtaylor> you could also try to upgrade via the command line, that should give you a better error message
[20:21] <jtaylor> it means apt will not upgrade package because they would break others
[20:21] <howlymowly_> jtaylor: actually  no..  i tried that but it gives me almost the same error message
[20:21] <howlymowly_> ahh  ok, i see
[20:21] <howlymowly_> thx
[20:22] <howlymowly_> would be easier if the error message told me what packages cause the problem
[20:22] <jtaylor> yes :/
[20:22] <howlymowly_> commandline doesn't do that either
[20:22] <jtaylor> strange
[20:22] <jtaylor> if its still a problem after an update tomorrow it might be worth reporting a bug
[20:23] <howlymowly_> and I also looked into  vim /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log  and couldn't find anything
[20:23] <howlymowly_> kk
[20:23] <bullgard4> howlymowly_: The package 'update-manager' caused the problem.
[20:24] <howlymowly_> now..   that's bad coincidence isn't it ^^
[20:24] <howlymowly_> thx bullgard4 for information
[20:25] <lucious> could someone check to see if snapshot is working properly?
[20:27] <corecode> hm. sessreg isn't working for me - any idea how i should use it?
[20:34] <lost_cause> Hi folks!  I can't seem to get 11.10 to install.  It just keep going right into Windows rather than a GRUB2 menu.
[20:34] <FernandoMiguel> oi
[20:34] <lost_cause> I've tried re-installing and chrooting to upgrade grub but no dice.
[20:34] <lost_cause> http://pastebin.com/BZKuGTYz
[20:35] <FernandoMiguel> who here is using IPv6 that can give me a tips on teredo/miredo?
[20:35] <lost_cause> ^^^^  boot info
[20:40] <BluesKaj> interesting if I do sudo kate in the terminal , the font settings are applied ...if I do kdesudo kate in the terminal , the fonts aren't applied. Same goes for dolphin
[20:41] <guntbert>  BluesKaj sudo kate might be harmful
[20:41] <lucious> could some test gnome-screenshot?
[20:42] <BluesKaj> and I get this when I do sudo kate : Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-kaj" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[20:42] <BluesKaj> obviously I need an ownership change
[20:43] <guntbert> !kdesudo | BluesKaj
[20:46] <BluesKaj> guntbert, but I'm using a large screen monitor and I'm 3M away , so I need to have the same fonts applied to sudo'd apps as I set in system settings . I already tried setting the fonts system settings as kdesudo , a procedure which use to work , but now doesn't.
[20:46] <BluesKaj> used to work
[20:48] <guntbert> BluesKaj: sorry, I'm not familiar with the details of kdesudo vs gksudo, and I never cared about fonts too much :-)
[20:48] <BluesKaj> and why the error I posted above
[20:49] <BluesKaj> guntbert, I didn't care about fonts much until I setup this media server connected to our TV
[20:50] <guntbert> understandable, BluesKaj , but I still cannot help :)
[20:53] <BluesKaj> QInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths: inotify_add_watch failed: No such file or directory QFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths: /root/.config/ibus/bus kaj@Media-Server:~$
[20:54] <BluesKaj> kdesudo kate spits that error
[20:55]  * guntbert uses gnome, not kde
[20:57] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I think ibus is something to do with input handling
[20:57] <BluesKaj> well, some ppl here use kde , but maybe they haven't encountered this ...what bugs me is that setting the fonts as root used apply them to password required files as well
[20:58] <lost_cause> Hi folks!  I can't seem to get 11.10 to install.  It just keep going right into Windows rather than a GRUB2 menu.
[20:58] <lost_cause> I've tried re-installing and chrooting to upgrade grub but no dice.
[20:58] <lost_cause> http://pastebin.com/BZKuGTYz
[20:58] <lost_cause> http://pastebin.com/BZKuGTYz
[20:58] <lost_cause> ^^^^  boot info
[20:58] <penguin42> BluesKaj: sudo kate is running for me
[20:59] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Although some of this install is from last week; I've done an update but not restarted
[20:59] <BluesKaj> penguin42, yeah, it runs , but is dangerous
[20:59] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Why?
[21:00] <BluesKaj> penguin42, http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo
[21:02] <BluesKaj> penguin42, kate runs as fine kdesudo , but the fonts I set as root in systemsettings won't apply as they did in the past
[21:02] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I'm not sure that's due to that inotify error, that looks unrelated
[21:04] <BluesKaj> penguin42, what about the uid error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-kaj" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0...is that due to usage of sudo instead of kdesudo
[21:05] <BluesKaj> ?
[21:06] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Hmm ok, it looks like kdesudo is doing more than I expected - I thought it was just gui wrapper on sudo, but it looks like it's wrangling some other stuff as well
[21:07] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Probably both the inotify error and the kdecache one are due to it trying to get to your own stuff rather than roots - where the fonts are supposed to come from though I don't know
[21:09]  * penguin42 disappears for a little while
[21:09] <BluesKaj> yeah, penguin42 , that makes sense
[21:15] <leonel> Hello  xulrunner is gone in 11.10 .. what library replaces it ?  Trying to build Couchdb 1.1.0 on 11.10
[21:17] <jbicha> leonel: perhaps firefox-dev
[21:18] <jtaylor> I don't think its gone, only not in main anymore
[21:19] <leonel> searched in packages.ubuntu.com  and no package for oneiric
[21:22] <jbicha> leonel: or maybe mozjs
[21:23] <jtaylor> hm yes, its probably firefox-dev
[21:23] <jbicha> leonel: https://code.launchpad.net/~wibblymat/ubuntu/oneiric/couchdb/update-to-1.1.0
[21:27] <leonel> jbicha: thank you very much !
[21:30] <tarvid> after running testdrive and installing oneiric server, how do I bring it under kvm?
[22:23] <cjohnston> is it possible to login to +1 with the classic interface?
[22:23] <cjohnston> I don't like unity on my desktop
[22:25] <IdleOne> !notunity
[22:25] <IdleOne> as close as you will get
[22:25] <cjohnston> hmmm....
[22:26] <cjohnston> I use one keyboard/mouse across my systems, so I don't really like the unity panel on my desktop, which is the host, but I like it on the laptop.. hmm
[22:27]  * penguin42 hasn't tried the gnome-panel one - maybe I should
[22:27] <penguin42> cjohnston: You can of course mix and match - I run unity on this laptop but KDE on my desktop - both next to each other wired with synergy
[22:28] <cjohnston> I'm not a big kde fan either.. lol
[22:28] <penguin42> cjohnston: lxde, xfce,.....
[22:28] <cjohnston> ya..
[22:28] <cjohnston> I guess I'm going to have to find one.
[22:29] <penguin42> cjohnston: I'm finding KDE4 pretty stable now and working OK; my preference order is currently gnome2>KDE4>unity>gnome shell
[22:29] <cjohnston> I was never able to get used to KDE
[22:30] <penguin42> cjohnston: Try it again, it's changed quite a bit - worth a go
[22:30] <cjohnston> is that whats shipped on +1 beta?
[22:30] <penguin42> yeh, just install kubuntu desktop to try it
[22:33] <cjohnston> Do you you use synergy or have you moved on to what of the other variations of it
[22:35] <g30> hi
[22:36] <penguin42> cjohnston: plain synergy
[23:44] <mongy> xfce is the new gnome2, and I like
[23:44] <penguin42> mongy: It's not bad at all