[05:26] <CluelessPerson> BOOM
[06:01] <Error404NotFound> how would i display all pvs belonging to a specific vg?
[06:02] <Error404NotFound> got it
[09:09] <madalin> hello, can anyone tell me how i can get the dhcpserver to lease forever ?
[11:10] <RoyK> anyone that knows any good speech syntesis software? or even better, a horrible one to make eightees-speech syntesis?
[11:15] <Daviey> flite, festival?
[11:28] <Daviey> or spd-say
[13:23] <linxeh> hi there, I'm just doing an install of 11.04 server, and there is an option of "basic ubuntu server" in the list of software to install. Is there a list of the packages this will install anywhere?
[13:25] <linxeh> just look at the "server" meta package?
[13:27] <linxeh> ok nm, tasksel to the rescue
[14:09] <T3CHKOMMIE> good morning everyone. can anyone help me troubleshoot my dovecot IMAP server... thiings dont seem to be working :(
[14:18] <patdk-lap> depends
[14:23] <T3CHKOMMIE> patdk-lap, ive got postfix working and using webmin i can send and recieve just fine. i just cant get dovecot to server up the mailboxes via IMAP or IMAPS im using ubuntu server 10.04
[14:24] <patdk-lap> dunno anything about webmin
[14:24] <patdk-lap> and without any other info I can't help you
[14:25] <T3CHKOMMIE> patdk-lap, do you know of a good tutorial for configuring dovecot with ssl?
[14:26] <ersi> I'd suggest reading either at ubuntu server guide or at dovecots documentation
[14:26] <ersi> there's a ton of reading about postfix, dovecot and so
[14:27] <patdk-lap> the postfix and dovecot websites are really the best, they have all kinds of info
[14:27] <ersi> indeed, a ton of reading there
[14:29] <T3CHKOMMIE> ok thanks ill get to it.
[14:58] <Myrtti> webmin isn't supported anymore, anyways
[14:59] <SpamapS> !zentyal
[15:49] <savid> Hi, I'm looking into possibly using upstart to manage my website processes (using nginx + gunicorn), but I don't want to have a separate script for each website.  Is it possible to have a single script manage multiple processes based on a given name
[15:59] <savid> for example, if my upstart service is called "website",  I would want:  "service website www.example.com start",   and I would want upstart to be able to monitor and respawn that individual process for that website separately.
[16:03] <SpamapS> savid: just make multiple jobs that start on starting website and stop on stopping website
[16:04] <SpamapS> savid: you can even make website an empty job that just has 'start on runlevel [2345]' and 'stop on runlevel [016]' ...
[16:04] <SpamapS> savid: I hate to leave you hanging but I have to run.. maybe check out http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/ as well :)
[16:04] <savid> SpamapS, cool, makes sense.   Would I still need to have a script for every website, though?
[16:05] <savid> ah, ok.  thanks
[16:39] <Xptical> Hi all.  Anyone awake in here?
[16:39] <Myrtti> to some degree
[16:39] <Xptical> LOL.  Understandable.
[16:40] <Xptical> I recently changed my residential cable to a business account to get around the 250GB monthly cap.
[16:40] <Xptical> I got a static IP along with that and I was thinking of setting up a personal web server.
[16:41] <Xptical> But I'm unsure about everything I'll need.
[16:41] <Xptical> I know I want to use Cherokee server.  Probably PureFTP
[16:41] <Xptical> I'd like to use Postgres or some other SQL server to get away from MySQL
[16:42] <Xptical> And maybe Drupal as a CMS
[16:42] <Xptical> Am I missing anything?  Maybe something to handle outgoing mail for Drupal's notifications...
[16:44] <Myrtti> can't really think of any valid reason to have anything to do with FTP apart from if you need to receive files from an embedded device that can do only that
[16:45] <Myrtti> or if you're hosting a mirror of something
[16:46] <Xptical> I think most FTP clients can do FTP over SSH.  Right?
[16:48] <Xptical> Some "dropbox" type service would be nice too...
[16:49] <Xptical> dropbox is blocked at my office...
[16:49] <patdk-lap> xptical, there is no ftp over ssh, unless you meaqn ssh tunneling
[16:49] <patdk-lap> there is sftp, but it really has nothing to do with ftp
[16:50] <Xptical> I was playing with FireFTP last night.  If you tell it to use SFTP, it uses port 22.
[16:51] <patdk-lap> yes, that is sftp, not ftp over ssh
[16:51] <Xptical> So, yeah, probably no need for an actual FTP server
[16:51] <Xptical> What about outgoing mail?
[16:58] <ersi> Xptical: There's FTPS, which is FTP over a SSL encrypted channel. There's SCP (Secure Copy), FTP clients usually can't handle that thouhgh
[17:03] <patdk-lap> I don't know what scp is called secure copy
[17:03] <patdk-lap> it's really just a normal ssh session, that and you run normal commands
[17:03] <patdk-lap> makes it hell to secure
[17:14] <ersi> patdk-lap: Well well, it's called 'secury copy' none the less
[18:26] <HelloWorld321> I think I've installed Glassfish (and NetBeans) via Ubuntu Software Center, and I see lots of glassfish folders in /usr/share/doc, and I see lots of glassfish jars in /usr/share/java but I can't find asadmin anywhere.   Where should I be looking for asadmin?
[18:40] <jmarsden> HelloWorld321: You can use dpkg -L PACKAGENAME  |grep asadmin    # to list the contents of a package you installed, and look for asadmin in the output...
[18:46] <HelloWorld321> tx
[18:48] <Dulcin> Hi, I have a question, I'm setting up an ubuntu server and currently setting up apache. https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/serverguide/C/httpd.html
[18:48] <Dulcin> Under 'Basic Settings' it mentions a 'Listen' directive, but I can not find this in the default virtual host file
[18:49] <ersi> It's not in the virtual host file, it's in another configuration file
[18:49] <oCean> Dulcin: it's in ports.conf if I'm not mistaken
[18:49] <ersi> oh yeah, that's the name of it
[18:49] <Dulcin> ok so it's included by default and my virtual host files can just leave that out?
[18:50] <Dulcin> that clears things up a little
[18:50] <ersi> depends on how your virtual host is configured :)
[18:50] <ersi> if it's answering on everything, ie *, then yes
[18:51] <Dulcin> Well I'm trying to set up a subdomain, so I copied the default file and am now editing it as the manual tells me to
[18:51] <Dulcin> but I couldn't find the Listen directive which it says should be there, so I was confused
[19:01] <DLCN> does it matter if my subdomain is an A record or CNAME when setting up the virtual host?
[19:02] <ersi> Nope
[19:02] <ersi> As long as the browser sends the correct "Host:" headers - it doesn't matter at all
[19:03] <ersi> record type doesn't have anything to do with that, afaik. It's just how the resolving of the names will occour
[19:06] <DLCN> Ok, I was just checking because the apache docs kept mentioning CNAME records
[19:06] <DLCN> But I was being stupid, forgot I was editing in the sites-available folder and not sites-enabled
[19:06] <DLCN> I got it to work now :)
[19:06] <ersi> ah :)
[19:06] <ersi> yeah, that shit has confused me a few times as well
[19:07] <ersi> (I was used to having one huge vhost config files before)
[19:07] <DLCN> heh
[19:15] <Dulcin> so now that the file is copied, which one do i edit?
[19:17] <Dulcin> (sites-enabled or sites-available?)
[19:20] <Dulcin> looking at the file rights, I assume sites-available :)
[19:20] <Dulcin> I mean, symlink
[19:32] <HelloWorld321> I just did a fresh install of Derby.  Do I need to do something to make it auto-start?  Will NetBeans launch it for me?
[20:46] <zastaph> under F4 Modes, would I choose "Install a minimal virtual machine" if I want to run Ubuntu server as Guest OS in VirtualBox ?
[20:51] <qman__> can, don't have to
[20:51] <qman__> that's what used to be known as the JeOS option, it strips out most drivers and things that aren't needed in a VM
[20:51] <qman__> standard installation will work equally well, it'll just be larger
[20:53] <zastaph> am setting up an "ubuntu server LTS master" that I can clone for all kinds of purposes, so kind of important choice :)
[20:54] <guntbert> zastaph: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JeOSVMBuilder  for an explanation
[20:54] <zastaph> and i think what is more relevant is if JeOS will work equally well as Normal .. that it wont have any disadvantages
[21:07] <Dulcin> Hmm, for some reason my apache virtual host file is not pointing to the right directory. The /var/www/index.html is displayed instead of /var/www/html/index.php - even though nothing in the virtual host file points to the old directory
[21:09] <Dulcin> ah got it working
[21:12] <leonel> hey ! xulrunner is gone in 11.10 .. what library replaces it ?
[21:14] <jmarsden> leonel: ask in #ubuntu+1
[21:15] <leonel> jmarsden: thanks  asking ...
[21:20] <Dulcin> Gah, these virtual host files are driving my crazy.
[21:21] <HelloWorld321> how many Kbps in a 100BaseT network?
[21:21] <Dulcin> When I set my server domain to 'example.com' it does not redirect to the right folder
[21:22] <Dulcin> but if I make it 'test.example.com' it works?
[21:23] <qman__> you do know what 100BaseT stands for, right?
[21:23] <Dulcin> I mean ServerName*
[21:23] <qman__> 100 megabits
[21:24] <qman__> your hosts file has to match up for it to work properly
[21:24] <qman__> but that looks more like something else syntactically at fault
[21:24] <qman__> maybe overlapping virtualhost definitions
[21:25] <Dulcin> I only have localhost + my domain in my hosts file
[21:27] <HelloWorld321> so if I never want an application to use more than half the bandwidth, and it throttled in kbps, I could use 50,000 kbps?
[21:28] <qman__> not exactly
[21:28] <qman__> that's the line's data rate
[21:28] <qman__> there are other things to consider like protocol overhead
[21:29] <qman__> half or full duplex, and whether all devices are capable of saturating the line
[21:29] <qman__> you should run a real world test to see just how much data it can actually push through
[21:29] <qman__> halve that, and use it
[21:30] <Dulcin> hmm does ubuntu have something like fedoras fpaste?
[21:30] <jmarsden> Dulcin: pastebinit maybe?  What exactly does fpaste do?
[21:30] <qman__> and you should also reserve a few percent of your bandwidth outside of any allotments, to avoid saturation lagging you out
[21:31] <Dulcin> jmarsden: upload output to fpaste pastebin and returns an url
[21:31] <jmarsden> Yes, pastebinit is the equivalent.
[21:31] <Dulcin> cool thanks
[21:31] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[21:34] <Dulcin> Here's my file, do you see any errors?: http://paste.ubuntu.com/691863/
[21:35] <qman__> yes
[21:36] <qman__> the first directory statement isn't in quotes
[21:36] <qman__> I don't know for a fact that it needs to be, but being syntactically consistent is important to avoid weird problems
[21:37] <Dulcin> hmmm, ok ill change it, but this was an exact copy of the default virtual host file
[21:37] <jmarsden> qman__: The /etc/apache/sites-available/default has it without quotes... :)
[21:38] <qman__> fair enough
[21:39] <qman__> you also don't have a "<Directory />"
[21:39] <qman__> again, I don't know that it's required, but all of mine have it
[21:40] <Dulcin> they all have a </Directory> right?
[21:40] <qman__> yes, I just meant there's no entry there for /
[21:40] <Dulcin> oh right, i removed that,
[21:41] <qman__> nevermind that, I just looked on a different server
[21:41] <qman__> none there
[21:41] <Dulcin> i will add that, but was confused with its meaning as i already pointed to the directory
[21:41] <Dulcin> oh ok
[21:42] <Dulcin> what I find strange is that it points to /var/www/[index] at the moment, instead of /var/www/html/[index]
[21:43] <Dulcin> maybe its because of the 000-default file that's in the enabled directory?
[21:43] <qman__> well, here's two sites on one of my servers, which both work:  http://pastebin.com/1zC6107S
[21:43] <qman__> oh, you have both enabled?
[21:43] <qman__> the sites must be overlapping
[21:44] <qman__> disable the default and see if it works
[21:44] <Dulcin> yeah it's working!
[21:45] <Dulcin> that was kind of stupid of me
[21:46] <Dulcin> thanks for looking at it with me qman__
[22:28] <zastaph> one of the first questions when installing ubuntu server is the hostname.. now, if I clone this VM shouldn't I change the hostname for each clone to avoid any network conflicts?
[22:40] <ersi> zastaph: Well, sure - if you're using DHCP. Otherwise the only thing I'd change is removing the dbus rule that holds the MAC address of your current virtual NIC
[22:41] <zastaph> the MAC address is changed when cloning (by vbox)
[22:46] <jmarsden> zastaph: Yes, but vbox is not smart enough to edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules for you, as far as I know.
[22:47] <zastaph> well i thought I would just edit /etc/hosts and another filed called hostname if I recall
[22:49] <jmarsden> zastaph: That's hostname stuff, not MAC address stuff.  In Ubuntu, there are usually MAC addresses in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules -- so as far as I know, you will want to get rid of them before cloning.
[22:50] <zastaph> oh, before
[22:50] <ersi> This is valid for Red Hat and SuSE as well.
[22:51] <ersi> I'm speaking by experiance. And I use vbox as well. Took me several hours/a day to figure that interface names out :P
[22:52] <ersi> that's really all you need to think about when clonin', if it's a really basic vm :)
[22:55] <zastaph> do you use LVM for your guest OS's ?
[23:02] <zastaph> I installed the minimal virtual machine of ubuntu, and now under software selection with "DNS server, LAMP server, etc." there's also one called "Basic Ubuntu server" .. i dont think that option is with the normal install.. what would I miss if I didn't install that?
[23:03] <ersi> no, I havn't yet used LVM with my guests
[23:04] <zastaph> yeah i also thought it would be overkill as vbox allows you to dynamically resize and do snapshots
[23:05] <jmarsden> zastaph: Use tasksel to see what tasks are available and what they install.  For your case,   tasksel --task-packages server
[23:05] <zastaph> dont have access to shell yet
[23:05] <ersi> zastaph: I was considering it, but it felt overkill. Havn't had the need yet :)
[23:05] <jmarsden> Then install a boring default server, and add what you really need later :)
[23:06] <jmarsden> zastaph: Usually one has a workstation before one installs a server...
[23:06] <ersi> Mainly using it to have a system that is easily snapshotted and rolled back (for testing several of the companies software products and compliances)
[23:06] <zastaph> jmarsden, so to install "Basic Ubuntu server" or not?
[23:06] <zastaph> ersi yes but vbox already gives that functionality
[23:06] <jmarsden> zastaph: Up to you.  You can always add it later using tasksel , as I said.  i do not know your use case, so what you choose to install is up to you...
[23:06] <ersi> If you for some reason ever consider having SuSE 10.3 as a guest.. Stop right there and shoot yourself in the foot directly.. way more pleasant btw
[23:07] <ersi> zastaph: yeah
[23:07]  * ersi shakes fist in SuSE 10.3's general direction
[23:07] <zastaph> jmarsden, im making a "Ubuntu server LTS master" that I can clone for different server purposes.. so I dont want to install more than I need.. but "Basic Ubuntu server" sounds like basic things to me
[23:08] <zastaph> ersi, no im staying with Ubuntu, it runs very good in vbox
[23:09] <jmarsden> zastaph: Either way works.  You have some learning to do :)  http://paste.ubuntu.com/691913/ has a list of packages from the 'server' task on my 10.04.3 LTS workstation, if that will help you to decide.
[23:10] <jmarsden> Really, whether you install that task at install time, or later using tasksel, does not matter.
[23:11] <zastaph> let me ask in another way then.. in the very beginning i pressed F4 and instead of "Normal" i chose Minimal virtual machine which seems to omit some drivers and apps not required for VM's .. now if I install "Basic Ubuntu server", won't I be back to normal then?
[23:11] <jmarsden> I have no way to determine whether any of those packages would be useful to you, "different server purposes" is way too generic for me to be able to tell.
[23:12] <jmarsden> I have no idea, but I don't think those are the same thing.  read the package list and decide whether or not you want them :)
[23:12] <ersi> zastaph: Indeed it does.
[23:14] <zastaph> whats the difference if I install OpenSSH server here (in "Software selection") or if I do it using apt-get once I log in?
[23:14] <jmarsden> none
[23:14] <zastaph> and what difference if I install openssh with apt-get or tasksel
[23:14] <jmarsden> none.  tasksel is just a way of grouping sets of packages together for convenience.
[23:14] <jmarsden> man tasksel
[23:14] <ersi> Prepare the guest with as much of what you believe will be the common software among your guests
[23:15] <zastaph> ok ill omit them all for now :)
[23:15] <ersi> If I clone a system, I want an exact copy to keep building on
[23:15] <ersi> and I always want to SSH into them
[23:15] <zastaph> right
[23:16] <jmarsden> ersi: But you need to regen your SSH host keys if you clone after install openssh-server, otherwise they all have the same host key, which is at least in theory a security weakness.
[23:17] <ersi> Yeah, I just deleted the keys in my 'master copy' ;)
[23:17] <ersi> It generates key on startup if no keys are found
[23:17] <zastaph> I just install openSSH on master, and don't generate keys for it, then clone
[23:18] <ersi> It'll try to be smart and generate keys for you, if I'm not mistaken
[23:18] <zastaph> hmm.. then I should not have installed it on my master?
[23:19] <jmarsden> zastaph: Just delete the keys before you clone it.
[23:19] <ersi> Or just shut sshd down, remove the keys and then clone it
[23:20] <zastaph> would be easier to just apt-get it on the clones
[23:22] <zastaph> bedtime, thanks for your advice