[08:29] <daubers> Morning
[08:39] <AlanBell> morning
[08:39] <sagaci> hi
[08:49] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:12] <daubers> Woot!
[09:13] <daubers> Almost finished my short syncy script to keep a couple of folders of docs in sync with google docs
[09:14] <daubers> Just need to give it some intelligence as it assumes everything is a document at the moment
[09:24] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:26] <Laney> hiya
[09:26] <brobostigon> morning Laney
[09:27] <AlanBell> pronunciation question for you
[09:27] <AlanBell> spd-say "ubuntu"
[09:27] <AlanBell> spd-say "oo bun too"
[09:27] <AlanBell> or something else?
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ladkaalcnedlcimjgaldjoeahnklilnk
[09:36] <AlanBell> and can you get spd-say to pronunce ocelot?
[09:41] <kvarley> What tool should I be using to convert .glade UI's to bash scripts? I used to use gtkdialog but it's no longer in the repos
[10:17] <czajkowski> Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[10:17] <AlanBell> :)
[10:17]  * AlanBell thinks czajkowski just beat the aussies
[10:18] <AlanBell> spd-say  "ubuntu oh nairic ossselot" < does that sound right?
[10:19] <AlanBell> run it from a terminal
[10:19] <czajkowski> we did
[10:19] <czajkowski> :D
[10:19] <AlanBell> spd-say  "ubuntu oh niric osselot" maybe
[10:20] <matti> Hm.
[11:01] <gord> AlanBell, maybe its my northernness creeping in, but "ubuntu on-eric osselot" sounds best to me
[11:08] <czajkowski> aat least it's geting the Ubuntu right
[11:08] <czajkowski> dear gods some folks say it and it's almost cringe worthy
[11:08] <czajkowski> Ubuuutu
[11:09] <AlanBell> spd-say "oo bun too" I kind of do that a bit
[11:10] <AlanBell> spd-say -t female2 "ubuntu on-eric osselot" sounds just like czajkowski :)
[11:11] <AlanBell> "ubuntu oh-neric osselot" seems good
[11:12] <MartijnVdS> which engine does that use?
[11:12] <AlanBell> espeak
[11:12] <AlanBell> by default, but speech dispatcher is a front end for any back end speech synth
[11:12] <MartijnVdS> that sounds very roboty in Dutch
[11:13] <AlanBell> yeah, it isn't great, but it does fit on the disk
[11:14] <AlanBell> http://mary.dfki.de:59125/ open Mary is much better, but is big and java
[11:14] <MartijnVdS> Google Translate's "speak" button is good
[11:15] <AlanBell> sure, but not really the point
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> well if it had an API... :)
[11:16] <AlanBell> the point being I want to patch orca so that it has a few pre-populated entries in the pronunciation dictionary so it doesn't sound so daft in the 10.10 installer
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> 11.10, I guess, but good idea
[11:16] <AlanBell> 11.10 yes
[11:27] <gord> unbuntu!
[11:27] <AlanBell> spd-say "oh-nigh-ric" has been suggested
[11:30] <geekMePlease> What is the dep for non-realtek drivers?
[11:31] <geekMePlease> * for natty 11.04
[11:32] <geekMePlease> * trying to get usb mini nano wireless modem 802.11 working from Dealextreme
[11:32] <geekMePlease> * on Lenovo x60
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> geekMePlease: "non-realtek drivers"?
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> geekMePlease: what kind of chipset does it have?
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> geekMePlease: (use "lsusb" to find out what it reports to the OS)
[11:50] <geekMePlease> MartijnVdS: Bus 001 Device 012: ID 0bda:8176 Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> And it doesn't work out of the box when you plug it in?
[11:51] <geekMePlease> MartijnVdS: does not seem to, see http://pastebin.com/DdvfQW3K
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> I see a wlan0 device
[11:52] <geekMePlease> MartijnVdS: it is my computer wlan, not the given wlan device
[11:52] <geekMePlease> MartijnVdS: there should be 802.11abgn
[11:52] <MartijnVdS> geekMePlease: can you pastebin the output of dmesg?
[11:54] <geekMePlease> MartijnVdS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/691478/
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> yeah it's not recognised.. hmm
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> geekMePlease: there's a bug about this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/795770
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> geekMePlease: it should work in 11.10 -- you can try the latest beta from a live CD
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> geekMePlease: the bug also lists a backport/workaround
[12:01] <geekMePlease> What is the terminal commnad to upgrade to 11.10 beta?
[12:01] <geekMePlease> not apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:01] <geekMePlease> - some option misning
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> geekMePlease: it's a beta, it's not quite finished, things WILL break
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> but if you really want to
[12:02] <MartijnVdS> do-release-upgrade -d
[12:04] <geekMePlease> MartijnVdS: Thank you!
[13:11] <isleofmandan> Good afternoon. I've just done apt-get upgrade on my Oneric box. Now have a "System program problem detected" dialogue box, that won't stop bugging me. Anyone know how to shut it up?
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> isleofmandan: what's crashing?
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> it should give you a program name if you give it a password
[13:12] <isleofmandan> er, how do it find out? *blush*
[13:12] <isleofmandan> appears as soon as I log in
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> yes
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> and the dialog box has 2 options
[13:12] <isleofmandan> it prompts for password
[13:12] <isleofmandan> but then nothing happens
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> it should show you a bug report tool with the crashing program's name in it
[13:12] <isleofmandan> 3 seconds later, a new "system problem..." dialogue pops up. Cycle repeats forever!
[13:13] <MartijnVdS> what happens if you choose the other option
[13:13] <AlanBell> isleofmandan: yes, that is a completel pain
[13:13] <MartijnVdS> "cancel"?
[13:13] <isleofmandan> it pops up again...
[13:13] <isleofmandan> :)
[13:13] <isleofmandan> hence my trip here :)
[13:13] <AlanBell> you can turn off apport somehow
[13:13] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Completel? http://www.completel.fr/? We work with them at work :P
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: that still doesn't stop the crashing he's seeing
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: if something's respawning and dieing, turning off apport won't stop that, only hide it
[13:14] <AlanBell> yeah, I know. Unity is a bit of a crashfest
[13:14] <isleofmandan> If i leave the dialogue open, and hide it behind other windows it's not too bad. I guess that will have to do until the clever people fix it.
[13:15] <AlanBell> I was finding the global menu was a bit crashy and respawny
[13:19] <gord> hrrm, i put "crewe bus times" into google and it automatically found the bus i wanted... i'm terrified
[13:19] <isleofmandan> Ah ha. Using xkill on the dialogue box is a permanent fix :)
[14:11] <shavington> Hi all very quiet today
[14:17]  * AlanBell files bug 852583
[14:17] <czajkowski> AlanBell: get it to say czajkowski
[14:18] <AlanBell> see zaj kowski
[14:18] <AlanBell> spd-say "chycofski"
[14:19] <AlanBell> add a comment to the bug if you want that distro patched in to orca :)
[14:19] <czajkowski> lol
[14:19] <czajkowski> I'll be good
[14:25] <shauno> can you install different voices/languages for orca?
[14:25] <StevenR> yes
[14:27] <AlanBell> shauno: yeah, speech dispatcher is just a front end for any kind of synth
[14:27] <AlanBell> you can use it with hardware voice synthesisers, refreshable braille devices, all sorts
[14:28] <AlanBell> and I knocked together a speech dispatcher module that just outputs to a file so you can tail that in a window and I can test things silently and get a full transcript of what it is trying to say
[14:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hi AlanBell - Just thought I drop in and say "load average: 75.00," ;-) Now off to make a lasagne. ttfn
[14:29] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: great, hope it crashes soon!
[14:29] <shauno> mine handles foreign text better if I use a voice that's intended for that language .. doesn't sound like there's a direct parallel for that tho
[14:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[14:30] <AlanBell> shauno: speech dispatcher can pass through the language and voice settings
[14:30] <shauno> so it's up to whatever synth you use to do something useful with that
[14:31] <AlanBell> try spd-say français
[14:31] <AlanBell> and spd-say -l fr français
[14:33] <AlanBell> or even spd-say -t female3 -l fr "je m'appelle issyl0 et je parle français"
[14:34] <MartijnVdS> issyl0 is a robot?! :)
[14:36] <shauno> hm.  so cz<tab> is much more convincing with -l pl
[14:38] <AlanBell> it is indeed
[14:41] <czajkowski> eh?
[14:41] <BigRedS> wait, you can call *people* with arguments now?
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> ?
[14:41] <BigRedS> If there's anyone I'd not do that to, it'd cz<tab>
[14:42] <shauno> calling people with arguments is my speciality :/
[14:42] <BigRedS> haha
[14:42] <BigRedS> Oh, I've read back now. That's less fun.
[14:42] <AlanBell> spd-say -l pl "czajkowski"
[14:42] <czajkowski> BigRedS: only with rugby
[14:42] <shauno> yeah.  just getting festival to make less of a hash of it by throwing it some hints
[14:43] <czajkowski> best not to argue with me about that
[14:43] <shauno> I've been having to do something similar with mine, but it uses different voices for different languages, which can be rather jarring
[14:43] <mgdm> shauno -rf /
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: now you've shaunoed all over your filesystem..
[14:47] <AlanBell> shauno: I would quite like to do an audio irc client as an irssi plugin that assigns a different voice for each person
[14:49] <shauno> the worrying thing is I'd be tempted to use such a thing
[14:49] <BigRedS> so long as there's a ranty voice for all-caps words
[14:50] <BigRedS> and the bots sound like glados from portal
[14:54] <shauno> I use voice notifications for far, far too many things.  my current irk is that I can't get it to use different languages for specific parts of a message
[14:54] <shauno> so I can either have it mangle their name, or put the whole statement in that language
[14:55] <MartijnVdS> shauno: HTML, <span lang=""></span> + fancy speech-enabled web browser?
[14:56] <shauno> my web browser would be on the short list of things that don't talk to me ;)
[14:56] <MartijnVdS> .. yet
[14:56] <shauno> but some sort of equivalent markup would be handy, yes
[14:59] <brobostigon> ok, why would it make any difference, if i can read from an sd card, with a usb adaptor, and cant just putting the sd card, into my eeepc's sd card slow, and then showing ntfs errors. whereas shows none, with the usb adaptor.
[14:59] <MartijnVdS> Sounds like the SD card and the Eee don't like each other
[14:59] <MartijnVdS> that happens sometimes
[15:00] <brobostigon> why is the usb adaptor making any difference here?
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> it might contain a different SD reader chip
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> or non-dusty contacts
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> stuff like that
[15:01] <brobostigon> ok, let me try a different sd card, one moment.
[15:03] <brobostigon> weird, that mounted fine.
[15:03] <brobostigon> hmm,
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> card/controller combination it is then
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> is it a very new/old card?
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> or a very new/old reader (or Eee PC)
[15:05] <brobostigon> the card is about 3 years old. the usb adaptor i bought last year, and my eeepc is dated, 2009.
[15:07] <shauno> looking at places I've had to override the language, seems my IM client is the biggest offender. I have 'new message from' or 'mesaj nou de la' depending on badly I want the name butchered
[15:14] <shauno> 'martijn' seems to work fine.  the english voice turns ijn into een.  but icelandic & romanian names in particular, it renders unintelligible
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> shauno: try with -l nl
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> shauno: that's what it's supposed to sound like (minus the robotness)
[15:15] <shauno> heh, festival doesn't do ijn so well in english :)  (mart-i-gen)
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> exactly ;)
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> I'm not marty-gen :)
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> or marty jen
[15:17] <shauno> http://oneil.me.uk/martijn.aiff  that's what mine comes up with (osx)
[15:18] <shauno> not sure I have a dutch voice installed to try
[15:18] <MartijnVdS> can't play that here
[15:18] <MartijnVdS> martijn.aiff: could not find codec parameters
[15:19] <shauno> seriously?  even my amiga can play those :/
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> really
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> even vlc doesn't work
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> (you know it's bad when..)
[15:21] <shauno> http://oneil.me.uk/martijn.mp3
[15:21] <shauno> (lame, sox & libaudiofile have no problems with aiff :)  it's this nasty gstreamer nonsense!)
[15:22] <MartijnVdS> shauno: file martijn.mp3 tells me it's still AIFF :)
[15:22] <MartijnVdS> ah: "play" from sox does work
[15:22] <shauno> hah, tab fail
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> but it says "marteen", which is WRONG :)
[15:23] <shauno> heh, it's close enough for me :)  (and sounds more natural than marti-gen)
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> that it does
[15:24] <shauno> trying not to install too many voices, because / is on an ssd, and they're 500Mb-ish each
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> yike
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> that's a lot
[15:26] <shauno> but names in particular I'm fussy about, else I find myself using the computer's version IRL
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> shauno: try on Ubuntu "spd-say -l nl Martijn" and you'll get a good idea :)
[15:29] <shauno> yeah, I did.  the end comes out more like ayn
[15:29] <MartijnVdS> ish. yes
[15:30] <MartijnVdS> Weird Dutch phoneme :)
[15:30] <MartijnVdS> we pronounce "ei" (egg) the same way
[15:31] <shauno> well, no-one ever claimed dutch was normal :p
[15:32] <mgdm> The couple of Dutch friends I have make no such claims :P
[15:32] <MartijnVdS> at least it's not Frisian :)
[15:33] <MartijnVdS> That's just English with a bad case of the Scandinavians :)
[15:34] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Frisian_language
[15:35] <MartijnVdS> + #Folklore_about_relation_to_English_and_Dutch
[16:11] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Im a wedding photographer - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/09/17/im-a-wedding-photographer-in-hampshire/
[16:12] <shauno> oh good lord.  good luck with that one
[16:12] <Myrtti> he doesn't really need it
[16:13] <shauno> weddings terrify me.  tried it once, never again
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> What, going to, or participating in?
[16:14] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: photographing
[16:14] <Myrtti> for munnies
[16:15] <MartijnVdS> ah
[16:15] <MartijnVdS> I've never cared enough about my pictures to try to do it for money
[16:16] <shauno> Myrtti: 'all of the above'.  but specifically shooting them
[16:18] <Myrtti> I don't mind personally
[16:20] <Myrtti> I've got good enough camera to enjoy it again
[16:20] <Myrtti> well, photography in general
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> Oh I like taking pictures
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> it's just that when doing it for money, you need (a) skill, (b) some way to write bills (i.e. your own company, i.e. lots of boring administrative work)
[16:21] <shauno> I helped a friend with one in the states.  quickly became apparent that I'm simply not cut out for it
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> also, when you do it for the money, it can take away the "fun" bit
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> same reason I don't code as often as I used to at home
[16:22] <Myrtti> having a sole propri... pro... whatever isn't too difficult in Finland, even easier in UK (I hear)
[16:22] <shauno> alcohol-assisted family feuds are not a conductive place to throw a very quiet geek :)
[16:22] <Myrtti> and I like bookkeeping :-)
[16:30] <MartijnVdS> see, I don't :)
[16:30] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Are you talking about weddings, or small businesses :)
[16:32] <Myrtti> double-entry bookkeeping is easy as 1-2-3 after a bit of training and proper software :-)
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: see, I don't have either
[16:33] <Myrtti> I even found a Finnish one with ready made accounts that I does fine in Ubuntu
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> there's a Dutch command line one in Perl
[16:33] <Myrtti> ledger is in the repos
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> if anything, I'd use that
[16:34] <Myrtti> hm, ledger wasn't the one I was thinking of
[16:36] <Myrtti> oh well
[16:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> Will Ubuntu  run on a Pentium PIII?
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: That's 686, so I think so, yes
[16:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> TY - A mate just dropped round an old lappy he'd like me to stick Ubuntu on for him. It's a PIII 500Mhz ;-)
[16:43] <MartijnVdS> awww :)
[16:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> No boot from USB... No CD
[16:43] <Myrtti> oof
[16:43] <BigRedS> so boot off floppy
[16:43] <BigRedS> :)
[16:46] <MartijnVdS> SBM floppy \o/
[17:50] <penguin42> TheOpenSourcerer: Net boot?
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> almost doctor time!
[17:59] <brobostigon> :)
[18:00]  * brobostigon expressivly flails his hands into the air.
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I'm imaging you making a "wubwubwub" sound like Zoidberg ;)
[18:09] <brobostigon> lol, no. :)
[18:09] <brobostigon> new dr who :)
[18:10]  * brobostigon gets a beer topup.
[18:10]  * MartijnVdS gets the mint tea
[18:21]  * popey tickles MartijnVdS 
[18:30] <daubers> Evening
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> popey: h,
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> hm
[18:38] <brobostigon> interesting, clearly certain inspiration in this episode.
[18:39] <popey> no spoilers pls
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> popey: of course :)
[18:39] <brobostigon> i didnt give away anything, :)
[18:40]  * popey sighs
[18:40] <brobostigon> of course, no spoilers, :)
[18:42]  * hamitron pokes Azelphur 
[18:43]  * Azelphur counter pokes
[18:43] <hamitron> is IRC up?
[18:43] <Azelphur> mine? yea
[18:43] <hamitron> I just disconnected from it, and can't connect
[18:44] <hamitron> working again
[18:44] <Azelphur> :D
[18:55] <HazRPG> Hmm, I've just wrote an e-mail to someone who wants to start developing chrome extensions... I'm wondering if I should C&P and put it onto my blog...
[18:55] <HazRPG> because it's a basic "hello world" extension...
[19:05] <bigcalm_lappy486> Always a good place to start
[19:11] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andrew] nVidia GeForce 210 on Ubuntu 11.04 - http://whyareyoureadingthisurl.wordpress.com/2011/09/17/nvidia-geforce-210-on-ubuntu-11-04/
[19:20] <czajkowski> dr.who wasn't bad
[19:23]  * hamitron gags czajkowski
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> watching Confidential now
[19:24] <hamitron> I got it recorded, but not watch last weeks yet
[19:24] <hamitron> :/
[19:24] <hamitron> and boxing is on soon
[19:24] <czajkowski> hamitron: hurry up so
[19:28] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: any thoughts on what was behind #11
[19:29]  * AlanBell will be watching Dr Who later
[19:30] <penguin42> hmph bbc radio webiste seems to be slow at the moment
[21:04] <mgdm> This Dr Who is rubbish
[21:05]  * mgdm digs out some proper old-school stuff 
[21:10] <bigcalm_lappy486> Good evening mgdm
[21:10] <bigcalm_lappy486> Said you'd enjoy the zip wire :D
[21:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> anyone done any netboot installs?
[21:10] <mgdm> bigcalm_lappy486: indeed :)
[21:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> What's wrong with this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/691851/
[21:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> never gets past pxelinux.0
[21:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> i.e. pxelinux.cfg...
[21:11] <mgdm> bigcalm_lappy486: Oddly enough, I was more nervous before my talks at FrOSCon than I was before stepping off a crane 150ft in the air.
[21:11] <mgdm> bigcalm_lappy486: says something about my psyche, that does.
[21:12] <bigcalm_lappy486> Ah, completely different
[21:12] <bigcalm_lappy486> The worst that could happen with the zip line is death
[21:12] <bigcalm_lappy486> Yet you could have been humiliated at Froscon
[21:13] <mgdm> Heh heh heh
[21:22] <shavington> What version are we up to
[21:23] <ali1234> TheOpenSourcerer: ignore logs, break out tcpdump
[21:23] <ali1234> most likely the problem is one of: permission error, typo in config file, or completely missing file
[21:24] <bigcalm_lappy486> mgdm: how recently have you played with cakephp?
[21:24] <mgdm> bigcalm_lappy486: never
[21:24] <bigcalm_lappy486> Aha :)
[21:25] <bigcalm_lappy486> I got bored again while on holiday
[21:25] <mgdm> oh aye
[21:26] <bigcalm_lappy486> One of my main client's project is in cake 1.1. So I'm used to cake, but thought I'd take a look at 1.3. Obviously things have changed, but the model/controller creation script seems to have gone. A bit of a silly thing to remove. CakePHP called their script Bake :)
[21:27] <mgdm> Heh
[21:27] <bigcalm_lappy486> Aye, having another go at my receipt logging app in another MVC, CakePHP this time
[21:27] <mgdm> bigcalm_lappy486: the closest I got to CakePHP was a slice of http://www.flickr.com/photos/afilina/5490242693/ in Canada last year
[21:27] <mgdm> oops, this year
[21:28] <mgdm> (it wasn't actually very nice- the icing was boggin')
[21:28] <bigcalm_lappy486> Hehehe
[21:28] <bigcalm_lappy486> Do you take your ElePHPant with you everywhere?
[21:29] <mgdm> That wasn't mine
[21:30] <bigcalm_lappy486> I was somewhat chuffed when my boss gave me an ElePHPant
[21:30] <mgdm> \o/
[21:30] <mgdm> apparently you get pink ones now
[21:30] <bigcalm_lappy486> A normal sized one. He got one for himself as well as one of the BIG ones for his kids :D
[21:31] <bigcalm_lappy486> Ah, I like my blue one
[21:31] <mgdm> I have a normal sized one too, got it a few years ago, I believe it's one of the first
[21:31] <Myrtti> PINK?!?!
[21:31] <mgdm> Myrtti: indeed!
[21:31] <Myrtti> mmmm cake
[21:31] <bigcalm_lappy486> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigcuthy/sets/72157604110762041/
[21:32] <bigcalm_lappy486> Hiya Myrtti :)
[21:32] <mgdm> Myrtti: http://www.flickr.com/photos/derickrethans/6123855470/in/photostream
[21:33] <Myrtti> awww
[21:34] <Myrtti> PHP is actually the language I've managed to get most stuff done
[21:34] <Myrtti> surprisingly
[21:34] <mgdm> me too
[21:34] <mgdm> it pays the bills, and has done for a while
[21:34] <Myrtti> ha.
[21:34] <Myrtti> what I mean is that I've actually done more than just a hello world with it
[21:34] <mgdm> Ah :)
[21:35] <bigcalm_lappy486> mgdm: mine appears to have been given to me in March 2008
[21:35] <bigcalm_lappy486> Despite people bad mouthing PHP, I still do it and it still pays the bills
[21:35] <mgdm> bigcalm_lappy486: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mgdm/2197674301/ was not long after I got my SLR, and I had the ElePHPant a while prior
[21:36] <bigcalm_lappy486> Aha, so late 2007?
[21:37] <mgdm> I suspect so
[21:38] <bigcalm_lappy486> I think this one and the next makes me smile the most http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigcuthy/2331031908/in/set-72157604110762041/
[21:39] <mgdm> hehe h
[21:40] <popey> ebening all
[21:40] <bigcalm_lappy486> Evening popey lad
[21:40] <Myrtti> I wonder do I still have the code of my homebrewed CMS somewhere
[21:41] <mgdm> bigcalm_lappy486: http://t.co/lYbqPCH
[21:41] <bigcalm_lappy486> Sounds like a damn fine framework to me :)
[21:41] <mgdm> bigcalm_lappy486: (not my elephpant, but my dram :P)
[21:41] <mgdm> Hi popey
[21:58] <bigcalm_lappy486> Just found how to bake in CakePHP 1.3. They had moved things about more than I had expected
[22:14] <bigcalm_lappy486> I can actually recommend CakePHP. It's the most dev friendly framework I've been using so far
[22:14] <bigcalm_lappy486> -sp