| jrgifford | jandrusk: Haha not for membership. the america's membership board doesn't meet until mid-October, while it's unlikely, it's not out of the question. :P (yet) | 01:28 |
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| paultag | jrgifford: dude, they're not too hard on you | 01:29 |
| paultag | just do some bug work for a month or two | 01:29 |
| paultag | get a few +1s | 01:29 |
| paultag | done done and done | 01:29 |
| jrgifford | paultag: Haha ok. I suppose being in the top 1% of askubuntu.com users probably wouldn't hurt much either. :P | 01:30 |
| paultag | nah | 01:30 |
| paultag | the canonical guys are pushing it | 01:31 |
| paultag | they want people to see askubuntu's a big deal | 01:31 |
| paultag | so that'd make it easier | 01:31 |
| jrgifford | hehe. | 01:31 |
| paultag | not that canonical's dicating it | 01:31 |
| jrgifford | I haven't seen much canonical influence on the actual site yet, although the ubuntu one questions seem to get a lot of "officially unofficial" attention. >_> | 01:32 |
| paultag | it's mostly officially official jrgifford | 01:33 |
| paultag | jrgifford: they're pushing it hard | 01:33 |
| jandrusk | Hmm. Interesting. | 01:34 |
| jrgifford | paultag: correction: jorge is. | 01:34 |
| paultag | Jorge loves pushing askubuntu | 01:34 |
| jrgifford | I think he's allergic to forums or something. :P | 01:34 |
| paultag | jrgifford: yeah, something like that | 01:34 |
| paultag | forums and free software | 01:34 |
| * jrgifford eyerolls | 01:35 | |
| paultag | speaking of - new site's up - http://anized.org/ | 01:35 |
| jrgifford | the whole "askubuntu is hosted on windows servers so we should boycott it" argument went on for almost four months. :P | 01:35 |
| paultag | nice shell org for me and my buddies | 01:35 |
| paultag | jrgifford: no, I mean, in general | 01:35 |
| paultag | jrgifford: he just doesn't care - it's a job for him | 01:35 |
| paultag | which is cool | 01:35 |
| paultag | but he's not a freetard | 01:35 |
| jrgifford | paultag: nice site design. | 01:36 |
| paultag | thanks jrgifford, took a few minutes. I have a thing for minimal (see my pault.ag site) | 01:36 |
| jrgifford | minimal is awesome. | 01:36 |
| paultag | clear, easy to digest, nothing fancy but nothing directly ugly | 01:36 |
| paultag | my site's a bit of an exception | 01:37 |
| paultag | but I think it's tasteful | 01:37 |
| paultag | jrgifford: oh, want to know the coolest bit? | 01:38 |
| paultag | jrgifford: it's actually using launchphplib to generate that list :) | 01:38 |
| jrgifford | I like pault.ag - it looks a *little* weird when fullscreened, but it's nice and simple. | 01:38 |
| jrgifford | ok, now that's downright awesome paultag. | 01:38 |
| paultag | jrgifford: yeah it has an issue with super wide and skinny screens | 01:38 |
| paultag | jrgifford: thanks :) - it's a cute little binding I wrote in php for launchpad | 01:38 |
| paultag | fuck python for websites honestly | 01:38 |
| paultag | (and I say this as a huge pythonist) | 01:38 |
| jrgifford | die-hard rubyist (not rails) here. ;) | 01:40 |
| paultag | jrgifford: good man. There are way too few of you | 01:40 |
| paultag | jrgifford: I love the concept, just never got into it. I dig OO, so ruby's super nice for that | 01:40 |
| paultag | Never really "got" rails, but I only tried it a few times | 01:41 |
| jrgifford | I mean, I've dabbled in rails, but I'm more of a sinatra guy. starts you off with a basic httpserver, and thats about it. | 01:41 |
| paultag | jrgifford: honestly, it's PHP for stuff that should be and node.js for the rest for me | 01:41 |
| paultag | but I dig rails and I dig ruby hackers | 01:42 |
| jrgifford | haven't dabbled in node.js, but i've heard good stuff. | 01:42 |
| paultag | jrgifford: yeah, it's super nice | 01:42 |
| paultag | i've been meaning to port v8 to a kernel base | 01:42 |
| paultag | write a kernel in javascript | 01:42 |
| jrgifford | that sounds fun. | 01:42 |
| paultag | jrgifford: well, I have the kernel bit done, I just need to port it and slim it down. I just don't think I care enough :) | 01:43 |
| * gilbert is playing around with installing arch in a vbox vm :P | 01:43 | |
| paultag | gilbert: :) | 01:43 |
| paultag | gilbert: they have some cool stuff, I just don't like the front-facing interfaces | 01:44 |
| paultag | gilbert: the fact they worked out how to make a CD ISO dd'able to a USB key is just plain l337 | 01:44 |
| paultag | a bunch of nerds kicked canonical's ass on that one | 01:44 |
| gilbert | yeah, pretty awesome :) debian's d-i does that now too ^_^ | 01:45 |
| gilbert | starting w wheezy | 01:45 |
| jrgifford | arch is cool, I keep meaning to play around with it more, but i've never had enough time. | 01:45 |
| paultag | gilbert: nice! I'm super stoked to see it, I had issues with getting USB keys to work with Debian, so I mostly make Ubuntu USB keys and debootstrap sid | 01:45 |
| paultag | sed s/make/made/g | 01:45 |
| gilbert | jrgifford: virtualbox is amazing for experimenting | 01:45 |
| paultag | virtualbox++; | 01:46 |
| jrgifford | gilbert: should probably get around to installing that again... | 01:47 |
| gilbert | jrgifford: installing what? | 01:47 |
| paultag | vb | 01:48 |
| jrgifford | virtualbox. oneiric borked it last week and I had to remove it. | 01:48 |
| gilbert | o right of course exactly the thing we're talking about :? | 01:48 |
| gilbert | duhr | 01:49 |
| gilbert | paultag: have any recommendation on which arch repositories are good? i'm thinking core+testing+extra? | 01:49 |
| paultag | gilbert: I have no clue :( - I tried it for a while, but never did get the hang of pacman | 01:50 |
| gilbert | ok, probably not testing | 01:50 |
| gilbert | testing is like their sid | 01:50 |
| paultag | oh jeez | 01:51 |
| gilbert | and it's listed first in their selection box! | 01:51 |
| paultag | hahahaha | 01:51 |
| gilbert | hah, restarting their setup yells at me when i try to continue where i left off... | 02:01 |
| gilbert | great, do i risk starting over or do i start from scratch? | 02:01 |
| gilbert | well i guess i'll just wipe out partitions and itll be all good... | 02:01 |
| gilbert | hmmm, can't unmount /mnt target... | 02:03 |
| gilbert | guess i'm starting from scratch... | 02:03 |
| paultag | hahahaha | 02:04 |
| paultag | oh no | 02:04 |
| gilbert | oh, i know what i did wrong: selected mirrors.kernel.org as source, and that's down due to security breach :( | 02:05 |
| paultag | haha, oh yeah | 02:05 |
| paultag | P.S. - fail! | 02:05 |
| paultag | randomized passwords + ssh keys ftw | 02:06 |
| paultag | do it debian style | 02:06 |
| paultag | manage keys via email interface accepting gpg clearsigned mail | 02:06 |
| gilbert | yaya | 02:07 |
| gilbert | yay, downloading fo reelz this time :) | 02:08 |
| paultag | :) | 02:08 |
| gilbert | installers really need to fetch their mirrors at install time rather than having it hardcoded | 02:09 |
| paultag | +1 | 02:09 |
| gilbert | i was playing around with a gentoo install before this, but found that their python in the latest snapshot was broken (which bits of the installation process require) | 02:12 |
| paultag | gilbert: I don't mind portage + stage3 tarballs | 02:13 |
| gilbert | yeah, that's what i was doing, but the mirrorlist script was broken, and i didn't know what syntax it wanted... | 02:13 |
| paultag | just kinda tedious for normal usage | 02:13 |
| paultag | gilbert: yeah, it's odd | 02:13 |
| paultag | their wiki rules | 02:14 |
| gilbert | so i abandoned it for arch, which i've also wanted to try for a while | 02:14 |
| gilbert | and started a download of their stable installer | 02:15 |
| gilbert | which i'll try maybe later | 02:15 |
| gilbert | hopefully python won't be broke there | 02:15 |
| gilbert | but @ 2.6 gigs its taking a while :( | 02:15 |
| paultag | gilbert: gentoo is in rough shape | 02:15 |
| paultag | they had a problem with leadership in 2006ish IIRC | 02:16 |
| gilbert | yeah, i just read the lwn article about it | 02:16 |
| paultag | might have been later, I can't recall | 02:16 |
| paultag | that's when I left for Debian | 02:16 |
| gilbert | ah | 02:16 |
| paultag | then left shortly after for Ubuntu | 02:16 |
| gilbert | well, they don't do "real" releases anymore, so they don't generate any buzz anymore | 02:16 |
| paultag | gilbert: ah, aye | 02:16 |
| gilbert | well, i guess you could call this 11.2 livedvd i'm installing a release, but they didn't make any fanfare about it | 02:17 |
| gilbert | and there hasn't been a security announcement since 2009 :( | 02:17 |
| paultag | >:( | 02:17 |
| paultag | fucking gentoo. | 02:18 |
| paultag | I love gentoo, but hate it so much. | 02:18 |
| paultag | jeez, I've gone through some pretty huge Slackware and Gentoo phases | 02:18 |
| paultag | even did slackware devel work | 02:18 |
| paultag | I guess not, actually - it was Wolvix | 02:19 |
| gilbert | for some reason i've just never had any interest in slackware | 02:19 |
| paultag | gilbert: it's meh | 02:19 |
| paultag | wolvix was nice | 02:19 |
| gilbert | seems boring and a mess with just extracting tarballs | 02:19 |
| paultag | gilbert: humm? | 02:20 |
| paultag | gilbert: we used slapt-get - an apt-get clone for slackware packages | 02:20 |
| gilbert | never heard about that | 02:20 |
| paultag | gilbert: yar | 02:21 |
| gilbert | i have heard good things about pacman | 02:21 |
| paultag | gilbert: stupid interface | 02:21 |
| paultag | gilbert: all the flags are fscked up | 02:21 |
| gilbert | o | 02:21 |
| paultag | yeah | 02:22 |
| gilbert | so i guess gentoo also got rid of the stage1/2 install process. that's no fun, i wanted to build the whole friggin thing from source... | 02:24 |
| paultag | haha | 02:24 |
| paultag | gilbert: there's always Syn | 02:24 |
| gilbert | taking the whole 2 days to go thru it ;) | 02:24 |
| paultag | gilbert: Syn will actually build fairly quickly | 02:24 |
| paultag | a bootstrap should take ~12 hours on my 1.6 GhZ single core atom with a gig of ram | 02:25 |
| gilbert | what is Syn? is that a distro? | 02:25 |
| paultag | I need huge help with bug hunting :) | 02:25 |
| paultag | gilbert: Synnamon is :) | 02:25 |
| paultag | gilbert: Syn's the package manager | 02:26 |
| paultag | gilbert: I wrote it, it's very debian similar, but it makes sense and it's in python | 02:26 |
| gilbert | oh, craziness dude | 02:27 |
| paultag | gilbert: http://github.com/whube/syn | 02:27 |
| paultag | gilbert: it works and I booted it up the other day. init's fucked up (no scripts) so it was just the kenerl | 02:27 |
| paultag | but it works | 02:27 |
| paultag | has debian built in | 02:27 |
| paultag | debian | 02:27 |
| paultag | wtf | 02:27 |
| paultag | git :) | 02:27 |
| paultag | gilbert: Oh, and all the files are JSON or machine parsable in an easy way, so a daemon can auto-maintain most packages most of the time | 02:29 |
| gilbert | crazy cool dude. | 02:29 |
| gilbert | yay, arch installed, now hth do i fetch and install updates??? | 02:31 |
| paultag | -S or something, right? | 02:31 |
| paultag | I have no fucking idea | 02:32 |
| gilbert | holy fuck: pacman -U $(pacman -Q | cut -d' ' -f1) | 02:33 |
| paultag | gilbert: welcome to arch! :) | 02:34 |
| gilbert | ooh, rpm-like #### progress bars :/ | 02:36 |
| paultag | hahaha | 02:36 |
| gilbert | oh, i guess there's a simpler upgrade command: pacman -Syu | 02:39 |
| gilbert | wtf | 02:40 |
| paultag | 02:21 <+paultag> gilbert: stupid interface | 02:41 |
| paultag | 02:21 <+paultag> gilbert: all the flags are fscked up | 02:41 |
| gilbert | now that i've given it a chance, i kind of like arch | 04:53 |
| Unit193 | Welcome back, internet cutout? | 05:01 |
| Cheri703 | I guess? I was at work | 05:38 |
| Unit193 | Yet another thing that I think may be wrong https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour#USA | 09:54 |
| Cheri703 | were there any Ubuntu lanyards left over from OLF? if so, could one or more get sent up here to Mansfield? jacob or gilbert or whoever else? | 13:54 |
| === sunkittn is now known as starkittn | ||
| starkittn | all right, who keeps tossing locobot_1 out? hehe | 17:31 |
| Unit193 | He's an old logbot | 17:32 |
| starkittn | well someone get him a walker or a can or something :p | 17:38 |
| starkittn | *cane | 17:38 |
| dzho | haha | 17:38 |
| Unit193 | I just looked, also has some other features | 17:38 |
| dzho | locobot_1: help | 17:39 |
| dzho | I guess that's not one of them | 17:39 |
| dzho | !help | 17:39 |
| Unit193 | No encyclopedia | 17:39 |
| dzho | pffft | 17:39 |
| Unit193 | locobot_1: last --from tnseditor | 17:41 |
| Cheri703 | if anyone hears anything about the lanyards, that'd be awesome :) | 17:43 |
| canthus13 | Cheri703: The only thing I've heard about them is that you're looking for them. :) | 17:44 |
| Cheri703 | :) I ask because a. I could do with another one, b. some of the reloco folks might want one/some | 17:45 |
| Cheri703 | I had two, but one got left behind at UDS with my one flash drive :( :( | 17:45 |
| Cheri703 | I have one on my keys, but I want one for my work ID | 17:46 |
| * canthus13 could use another one, too. His is pretty dirty. | 18:09 | |
| gilbert | howdy :) | 18:12 |
| gilbert | Cheri703: all the lanyards got scooped up | 18:13 |
| Cheri703 | ok, I figured :) | 18:13 |
| Cheri703 | thanks | 18:13 |
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