[01:28] <jrgifford> jandrusk: Haha not for membership. the america's membership board doesn't meet until mid-October, while it's unlikely, it's not out of the question. :P (yet)
[01:29] <paultag> jrgifford: dude, they're not too hard on you
[01:29] <paultag> just do some bug work for a month or two
[01:29] <paultag> get a few +1s
[01:29] <paultag> done done and done
[01:30] <jrgifford> paultag: Haha ok. I suppose being in the top 1% of askubuntu.com users probably wouldn't hurt much either. :P
[01:30] <paultag> nah
[01:31] <paultag> the canonical guys are pushing it
[01:31] <paultag> they want people to see askubuntu's a big deal
[01:31] <paultag> so that'd make it easier
[01:31] <jrgifford> hehe.
[01:31] <paultag> not that canonical's dicating it
[01:32] <jrgifford> I haven't seen much canonical influence on the actual site yet, although the ubuntu one questions seem to get a lot of "officially unofficial" attention. >_>
[01:33] <paultag> it's mostly officially official jrgifford
[01:33] <paultag> jrgifford: they're pushing it hard
[01:34] <jandrusk> Hmm. Interesting.
[01:34] <jrgifford> paultag: correction: jorge is.
[01:34] <paultag> Jorge loves pushing askubuntu
[01:34] <jrgifford> I think he's allergic to forums or something. :P
[01:34] <paultag> jrgifford: yeah, something like that
[01:34] <paultag> forums and free software
[01:35]  * jrgifford eyerolls
[01:35] <paultag> speaking of - new site's up - http://anized.org/
[01:35] <jrgifford> the whole "askubuntu is hosted on windows servers so we should boycott it" argument went on for almost four months. :P
[01:35] <paultag> nice shell org for me and my buddies
[01:35] <paultag> jrgifford: no, I mean, in general
[01:35] <paultag> jrgifford: he just doesn't care - it's a job for him
[01:35] <paultag> which is cool
[01:35] <paultag> but he's not a freetard
[01:36] <jrgifford> paultag: nice site design.
[01:36] <paultag> thanks jrgifford, took a few minutes. I have a thing for minimal (see my pault.ag site)
[01:36] <jrgifford> minimal is awesome.
[01:36] <paultag> clear, easy to digest, nothing fancy but nothing directly ugly
[01:37] <paultag> my site's a bit of an exception
[01:37] <paultag> but I think it's tasteful
[01:38] <paultag> jrgifford: oh, want to know the coolest bit?
[01:38] <paultag> jrgifford: it's actually using launchphplib to generate that list :)
[01:38] <jrgifford> I like pault.ag - it looks a *little* weird when fullscreened, but it's nice and simple.
[01:38] <jrgifford> ok, now that's downright awesome paultag.
[01:38] <paultag> jrgifford: yeah it has an issue with super wide and skinny screens
[01:38] <paultag> jrgifford: thanks :) - it's a cute little binding I wrote in php for launchpad
[01:38] <paultag> fuck python for websites honestly
[01:38] <paultag> (and I say this as a huge pythonist)
[01:40] <jrgifford> die-hard rubyist (not rails) here. ;)
[01:40] <paultag> jrgifford: good man. There are way too few of you
[01:40] <paultag> jrgifford: I love the concept, just never got into it. I dig OO, so ruby's super nice for that
[01:41] <paultag> Never really "got" rails, but I only tried it a few times
[01:41] <jrgifford> I mean, I've dabbled in rails, but I'm more of a sinatra guy. starts you off with a basic httpserver, and thats about it.
[01:41] <paultag> jrgifford: honestly, it's PHP for stuff that should be and node.js for the rest for me
[01:42] <paultag> but I dig rails and I dig ruby hackers
[01:42] <jrgifford> haven't dabbled in node.js, but i've heard good stuff.
[01:42] <paultag> jrgifford: yeah, it's super nice
[01:42] <paultag> i've been meaning to port v8 to a kernel base
[01:42] <paultag> write a kernel in javascript
[01:42] <jrgifford> that sounds fun.
[01:43] <paultag> jrgifford: well, I have the kernel bit done, I just need to port it and slim it down. I just don't think I care enough :)
[01:43]  * gilbert is playing around with installing arch in a vbox vm :P
[01:43] <paultag> gilbert: :)
[01:44] <paultag> gilbert: they have some cool stuff, I just don't like the front-facing interfaces
[01:44] <paultag> gilbert: the fact they worked out how to make a CD ISO dd'able to a USB key is just plain l337
[01:44] <paultag> a bunch of nerds kicked canonical's ass on that one
[01:45] <gilbert> yeah, pretty awesome :) debian's d-i does that now too ^_^
[01:45] <gilbert> starting w wheezy
[01:45] <jrgifford> arch is cool, I keep meaning to play around with it more, but i've never had enough time.
[01:45] <paultag> gilbert: nice! I'm super stoked to see it, I had issues with getting USB keys to work with Debian, so I mostly make Ubuntu USB keys and debootstrap sid
[01:45] <paultag> sed s/make/made/g
[01:45] <gilbert> jrgifford: virtualbox is amazing for experimenting
[01:46] <paultag> virtualbox++;
[01:47] <jrgifford> gilbert: should probably get around to installing that again...
[01:47] <gilbert> jrgifford: installing what?
[01:48] <paultag> vb
[01:48] <jrgifford> virtualbox. oneiric borked it last week and I had to remove it.
[01:48] <gilbert> o right of course exactly the thing we're talking about :?
[01:49] <gilbert> duhr
[01:49] <gilbert> paultag: have any recommendation on which arch repositories are good?  i'm thinking core+testing+extra?
[01:50] <paultag> gilbert: I have no clue :( - I tried it for a while, but never did get the hang of pacman
[01:50] <gilbert> ok, probably not testing
[01:50] <gilbert> testing is like their sid
[01:51] <paultag> oh jeez
[01:51] <gilbert> and it's listed first in their selection box!
[01:51] <paultag> hahahaha
[02:01] <gilbert> hah, restarting their setup yells at me when i try to continue where i left off...
[02:01] <gilbert> great, do i risk starting over or do i start from scratch?
[02:01] <gilbert> well i guess i'll just wipe out partitions and itll be all good...
[02:03] <gilbert> hmmm, can't unmount /mnt target...
[02:03] <gilbert> guess i'm starting from scratch...
[02:04] <paultag> hahahaha
[02:04] <paultag> oh no
[02:05] <gilbert> oh, i know what i did wrong: selected mirrors.kernel.org as source, and that's down due to security breach :(
[02:05] <paultag> haha, oh yeah
[02:05] <paultag> P.S. - fail!
[02:06] <paultag> randomized passwords + ssh keys ftw
[02:06] <paultag> do it debian style
[02:06] <paultag> manage keys via email interface accepting gpg clearsigned mail
[02:07] <gilbert> yaya
[02:08] <gilbert> yay, downloading fo reelz this time :)
[02:08] <paultag> :)
[02:09] <gilbert> installers really need to fetch their mirrors at install time rather than having it hardcoded
[02:09] <paultag> +1
[02:12] <gilbert> i was playing around with a gentoo install before this, but found that their python in the latest snapshot was broken (which bits of the installation process require)
[02:13] <paultag> gilbert: I don't mind portage + stage3 tarballs
[02:13] <gilbert> yeah, that's what i was doing, but the mirrorlist script was broken, and i didn't know what syntax it wanted...
[02:13] <paultag> just kinda tedious for normal usage
[02:13] <paultag> gilbert: yeah, it's odd
[02:14] <paultag> their wiki rules
[02:14] <gilbert> so i abandoned it for arch, which i've also wanted to try for a while
[02:15] <gilbert> and started a download of their stable installer
[02:15] <gilbert> which i'll try maybe later
[02:15] <gilbert> hopefully python won't be broke there
[02:15] <gilbert> but @ 2.6 gigs its taking a while :(
[02:15] <paultag> gilbert: gentoo is in rough shape
[02:16] <paultag> they had a problem with leadership in 2006ish IIRC
[02:16] <gilbert> yeah, i just read the lwn article about it
[02:16] <paultag> might have been later, I can't recall
[02:16] <paultag> that's when I left for Debian
[02:16] <gilbert> ah
[02:16] <paultag> then left shortly after for Ubuntu
[02:16] <gilbert> well, they don't do "real" releases anymore, so they don't generate any buzz anymore
[02:16] <paultag> gilbert: ah, aye
[02:17] <gilbert> well, i guess you could call this 11.2 livedvd i'm installing a release, but they didn't make any fanfare about it
[02:17] <gilbert> and there hasn't been a security announcement since 2009 :(
[02:17] <paultag> >:(
[02:18] <paultag> fucking gentoo.
[02:18] <paultag> I love gentoo, but hate it so much.
[02:18] <paultag> jeez, I've gone through some pretty huge Slackware and Gentoo phases
[02:18] <paultag> even did slackware devel work
[02:19] <paultag> I guess not, actually - it was Wolvix
[02:19] <gilbert> for some reason i've just never had any interest in slackware
[02:19] <paultag> gilbert: it's meh
[02:19] <paultag> wolvix was nice
[02:19] <gilbert> seems boring and a mess with just extracting tarballs
[02:20] <paultag> gilbert: humm?
[02:20] <paultag> gilbert: we used slapt-get - an apt-get clone for slackware packages
[02:20] <gilbert> never heard about that
[02:21] <paultag> gilbert: yar
[02:21] <gilbert> i have heard good things about pacman
[02:21] <paultag> gilbert: stupid interface
[02:21] <paultag> gilbert: all the flags are fscked up
[02:21] <gilbert> o
[02:22] <paultag> yeah
[02:24] <gilbert> so i guess gentoo also got rid of the stage1/2 install process.  that's no fun, i wanted to build the whole friggin thing from source...
[02:24] <paultag> haha
[02:24] <paultag> gilbert: there's always Syn
[02:24] <gilbert> taking the whole 2 days to go thru it ;)
[02:24] <paultag> gilbert: Syn will actually build fairly quickly
[02:25] <paultag> a bootstrap should take ~12 hours on my 1.6 GhZ single core atom with a gig of ram
[02:25] <gilbert> what is Syn?  is that a distro?
[02:25] <paultag> I need huge help with bug hunting :)
[02:25] <paultag> gilbert: Synnamon is :)
[02:26] <paultag> gilbert: Syn's the package manager
[02:26] <paultag> gilbert: I wrote it, it's very debian similar, but it makes sense and it's in python
[02:27] <gilbert> oh, craziness dude
[02:27] <paultag> gilbert: http://github.com/whube/syn
[02:27] <paultag> gilbert: it works and I booted it up the other day. init's fucked up (no scripts) so it was just the kenerl
[02:27] <paultag> but it works
[02:27] <paultag> has debian built in
[02:27] <paultag> debian
[02:27] <paultag> wtf
[02:27] <paultag> git :)
[02:29] <paultag> gilbert: Oh, and all the files are JSON or machine parsable in an easy way, so a daemon can auto-maintain most packages most of the time
[02:29] <gilbert> crazy cool dude.
[02:31] <gilbert> yay, arch installed, now hth do i fetch and install updates???
[02:31] <paultag> -S or something, right?
[02:32] <paultag> I have no fucking idea
[02:33] <gilbert> holy fuck: pacman -U $(pacman -Q | cut -d' ' -f1)
[02:34] <paultag> gilbert: welcome to arch! :)
[02:36] <gilbert> ooh, rpm-like #### progress bars :/
[02:36] <paultag> hahaha
[02:39] <gilbert> oh, i guess there's a simpler upgrade command: pacman -Syu
[02:40] <gilbert> wtf
[02:41] <paultag> 02:21 <+paultag> gilbert: stupid interface
[02:41] <paultag> 02:21 <+paultag> gilbert: all the flags are fscked up
[04:53] <gilbert> now that i've given it a chance, i kind of like arch
[05:01] <Unit193> Welcome back, internet cutout?
[05:38] <Cheri703> I guess? I was at work
[09:54] <Unit193> Yet another thing that I think may be wrong https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour#USA
[13:54] <Cheri703> were there any Ubuntu lanyards left over from OLF? if so, could one or more get sent up here to Mansfield? jacob or gilbert or whoever else?
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[17:31] <starkittn> all right, who keeps tossing locobot_1 out? hehe
[17:32] <Unit193> He's an old logbot
[17:38] <starkittn> well someone get him a walker or a can or something :p
[17:38] <starkittn> *cane
[17:38] <dzho> haha
[17:38] <Unit193> I just looked, also has some other features
[17:39] <dzho> locobot_1: help
[17:39] <dzho> I guess that's not one of them
[17:39] <dzho> !help
[17:39] <Unit193> No encyclopedia
[17:39] <dzho> pffft
[17:41] <Unit193> locobot_1: last --from tnseditor
[17:43] <Cheri703> if anyone hears anything about the lanyards, that'd be awesome :)
[17:44] <canthus13> Cheri703: The only thing I've heard about them is that you're looking for them. :)
[17:45] <Cheri703> :) I ask because a. I could do with another one, b. some of the reloco folks might want one/some
[17:45] <Cheri703> I had two, but one got left behind at UDS with my one flash drive :( :(
[17:46] <Cheri703> I have one on my keys, but I want one for my work ID
[18:09]  * canthus13 could use another one, too. His is pretty dirty.
[18:12] <gilbert> howdy :)
[18:13] <gilbert> Cheri703: all the lanyards got scooped up
[18:13] <Cheri703> ok, I figured :)
[18:13] <Cheri703> thanks