[00:11] <bjsnider> i don't think xfce is really new at all
[00:12] <penguin42> erm no; it's a perfectly reasonable phrase though - as in red is the new black
[00:13] <cwillu_at_work> i.e., it's what we use now that gnome is broken by design :p
[00:13] <bjsnider> gnome is not broken by design
[00:14] <penguin42> lets not get back into the argument please?!
[00:14] <bjsnider> there is no argument
[00:15] <bazhang> getting offtopic here
[01:05] <winut> any idea on how to get gnome-keyring to load on login? using kubuntu 11.10 thanks
[01:05] <winut> using evolution mail atm and that requires gnome keyring, as its not programmed to use kwallet
[01:06] <winut> evolution still prompts for the password, albeit just 1 with gnome-keyring installed. however, would be better to open without password. any ideas? thanks
[01:08] <ActionParsnip> I always set a blank keyring password, easier times
[01:09] <winut> does that work? on kubuntu 11.10 and evolution 3?
[01:10] <ActionParsnip> ive not used evolution but if there is a blank password then you will never be bothered for the password
[01:10] <winut> i think this maybe a new feature of evolution 3
[01:11] <winut> I haven't had a chance to test it in ubuntu as the desktop crashed too much
[01:12] <winut> oneiric
[02:18] <IdleOne> !notunity | bonjohnjovi
[02:19] <bonjohnjovi> IdleOne, the thing is, apt-get install gnome-shell tells me no installation candidate available
[02:20] <IdleOne> try apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[02:20] <bonjohnjovi> already done the update part
[02:21] <bonjohnjovi> doing it again.
[02:21] <IdleOne> hmm, you have the universe repo enabled
[02:21] <IdleOne> ?
[02:21] <bonjohnjovi> don't know, isn't it enabled by default?
[02:21] <bonjohnjovi> can't even install synaptic either
[02:21] <IdleOne> should be yes
[02:21] <bonjohnjovi> it doesn't seem to be enabled
[02:21] <bonjohnjovi> i'm on the livecd
[02:21] <bonjohnjovi> lemme check sources.list
[02:21] <IdleOne> what does lsb_release -a give you
[02:22] <IdleOne> oh, you are running live cd, yeah might be disabled there, can't imagine why though
[02:22] <bonjohnjovi> ubuntu oneiric (development)
[02:22] <bonjohnjovi> i just want to test stability before i dive in.
[02:22] <IdleOne> very wise
[02:22] <bonjohnjovi> yea, universe is not available
[02:23] <IdleOne> I dive in head firsty before checking if the pool has water
[02:23] <IdleOne> first*
[02:23] <bonjohnjovi> lol
[02:23] <bonjohnjovi> i'm looking for something stable, so i gotta check first :)
[02:23] <bonjohnjovi> trusting that beta is good enough
[02:23] <bonjohnjovi> and only gets better
[02:24] <IdleOne> well oneiric is still beta and stable enough'ish
[02:24] <bonjohnjovi> yea, i jumped to fedora 6 months ago, but want to get back to ubuntu
[02:24] <bonjohnjovi> it feels way better.
[02:24] <bonjohnjovi> and i can't wait for the stable release
[02:25] <bonjohnjovi> package installing now.
[02:26] <bonjohnjovi> its funny how the livecd is almost faster than an install because everything runs off RAM
[02:34] <bullgard4> bonjohnjovi: Using a Ubuntu live CD will not make "everything" run off RAM.
[02:34] <bonjohnjovi> bullgard4, i know, that
[02:34] <bonjohnjovi> that's why i said *almost*
[02:34] <bonjohnjovi> package installs are certainly faster.
[02:35] <bonjohnjovi> except when waiting to read libs from the cdrom.
[02:36] <bonjohnjovi> right. upgrade done.
[02:36] <bonjohnjovi> time to switch sessions.
[02:37] <bonjohnjovi> ok. now in g-shell
[02:53] <bonjohnjovi> is it possible to make gnome-shell the default?
[02:55] <jbicha> bonjohnjovi: generally, whatever session you opened last is pre-selected
[02:56] <bonjohnjovi> ok. doesn't seem to act like that on the livecd though.
[02:56] <bonjohnjovi> thanks.
[02:56] <bonjohnjovi> laters.
[03:43] <bullgard4_> IdleOne: <ubottu>: "To use GNOME Shell on Oneiric, install the "gnome-shell" package and investigate "gnome-tweak-tool". For GNOME Fallback mode, which is similar to GNOME 2, install "gnome-panel". Both packages will place a new entry in the Sessions dropdown on the login window." What are the names of these entries?
[03:43] <rww> No idea, try it and see >.>
[03:44] <rww> Internet says "GNOME" and "GNOME Classic", respectively.
[03:48] <bullgard4_> rww: I have tried and looked at it before I posted here. I cannot establish the association of the 3 entries "GNOME", "GNOME Classic" and "GNOME Classic (No Effects)" with ubottu's mentioning of 2 packages.
[03:48] <rww> bullgard4_: GNOME is Shell, GNOME Classic is GNOME Fallback with Compiz, GNOME Classic is GNOME Fallback with Metacity
[03:49] <rww> erm, GNOME Classic (no effects) is GNOME Fallback with Metacity
[03:49] <bullgard4_> rww: Thank you for explaining.
[04:28] <zhiwei> hi,all. My Desktop Icon has some errors, who can tell me the reason?
[04:45] <tjoy> I used to have an i386 alternate-install CD for oneiric, where can I download it again?
[04:45] <tjoy> n/m found one
[04:45] <tjoy> http://mirrors.easynews.com/linux/ubuntu-releases//oneiric/ if anyone else needs it
[06:11] <xgt001> why is apt-get downloading all the package data again and again,...in natty and early it , to download something like 12 mb at first and upon further updating it downloaded only the changed packages.. but oneiric beta1 is downloading everything all over agian
[06:14] <tsimpson> xgt001: because you're on a development release and things change often
[06:15] <xgt001> tsimpson: ok so will the apt keep downloading all the  package info all over again unless it becomes a release?
[06:15] <tsimpson> no, apt still only downloads the packages that have changed
[06:15] <tsimpson> it just so happens that everything changes a lot during development
[06:18] <xgt001> tsimpson: not exactly... here i tried twice and it downloaded 22 mb every time despite packages havent changed....is it a bug that i should report?
[06:18] <tsimpson> how do you know packages haven't changed? are they the same version?
[06:19] <sjanssen> in Ubuntu 11.04, I used Nautilus strictly for the automounter, I don't run a desktop environment.  I used "nautilus -n --no-desktop", and this worked properly: no icons on the desktop, no nautilus window, and automounting worked
[06:19] <xgt001> tsimpson: yes... they are the same
[06:19] <sjanssen> in 11.10, "nautilus -n --no-desktop" outputs "Initializing nautilus-gdu extension", pauses for 5 seconds, then prints "Shutting down nautilus-gdu extension"
[06:20] <sjanssen> what's up with that?  Is it part of Ubuntu-specific desktop integration stuff?  I don't want to go bugging the Gnome people if it's Ubuntu-specific
[06:20] <tsimpson> xgt001: then you probably should report a bug, but I don't see how apt would download exactly the same packages more than once
[06:21] <xgt001> tsimpson: not exactly the packages... i mean the  package lists ... that is when we do apt-get update
[06:21] <tsimpson> xgt001: well the package lists change often
[06:22] <tsimpson> new packages, new versions, new descriptions, new translations, removed packages etc
[06:23] <xgt001> btw how to install i386 apps in amd64 in 11.10... i heard there is better support for i386 apps in 11.10 now for amd64
[06:23] <tsimpson> I don't know, I run 386
[06:25] <xgt001> ok folks, i want to triple boot oneiric, maverick and win7, currently i have win7 and oneiric installed in seperate partitions.. i have seperate / and /home partitions, along with a seperate swap... should i resize home partition to install maverick?
[08:24] <Peter_Bilt> what compiler uses ubuntu kernl?
[08:25] <rww> Peter_Bilt: GCC
[08:26] <Peter_Bilt> lol
[08:27] <Peter_Bilt>  know its gcc but the version used to compile
[08:27] <rww> should have said that, then :P
[08:27] <rww> cat /proc/version
[08:31] <Peter_Bilt> its 4.6.1 ok
[08:32] <Peter_Bilt> i got strange errors
[09:23] <rohdef> after I upgraded grub forgot about one of my Windows partitions, and now I can only access the recovery partition, and not the one with the working windows on
[09:23] <rohdef> how can I reconfigure grub, so I  once again get access to my working windows
[09:43] <justinas> Good morning!
[09:43] <justinas> Synaptic autentification dialog does not get the focus in Oneiric.
[09:43] <justinas> In fact, I managed to type in my password in an entirely different application when Synaptic started.
[09:43] <justinas> It really gets irksome.
[09:47] <justinas> I suppose the expected behaviour is that the Synapic authentification dialog blocks all the input to any other application while it runs.
[10:02] <Peter_Bilt> there is no xorg.conf
[10:20] <Peter_Bilt> i got a new pc with dandy birds, and a fatality motherboard from asrock z68 something 3, i cant see a xorg.conf
[10:29] <iceroot> how to remove "ubuntu-desktop" complete on 11.10? is there something else then "sudo apt-get remove --purge" and put there every package from ubuntu-desktop?
[10:56] <bullgard4>  [seahorse] Passwords and Encrption Keys > tab "Passwords" > entry "Name=Passwords:default": What does mean here »default« (in contrast to »login«)?
[10:56] <bullgard4> iceroot: I'm afraid not.
[10:58] <bullgard4> Peter_Bilt: There is no xorg.conf by default.
[11:01] <bullgard4> justinas: With me, Synaptic autentification dialog does get the focus in Oneiric. --  File an error report in Launchpad.
[11:01] <bullgard4> +h
[11:07] <Peter_Bilt> bulldarg, so how should i make my hdmi2 work?
[11:09] <macer1> Peter_Bilt, what problem do you have?
[11:14] <justinas> bullgard4: I am using Gnome classic mode, not that unity crap.
[11:15] <justinas> Probably that's the problem.
[11:16] <bullgard4> justinas: Even in this case you should report this error to Launchpad.
[11:17] <tjoy> how can i force apt to prefer one repository over another even if the software is older?
[11:17] <tjoy> for the same package
[11:18] <iceroot> bullgard4: ok thank you
[11:24] <bullgard4> Peter_Bilt: You can create your own xorg.conf if it does not exist. I only said that xorg.conf does not exist any longer by default.
[11:27] <rigved> is thunderbird able to sync contacts from ubuntu one?
[11:36] <justinas> bullgard4: I would gladly do that if Launchpad did not require me to register there!
[11:36] <justinas> And I'd sooner change then distribution than register in some site.
[11:36] <justinas> s/then/the/g
[11:39] <rigved> in thunderbird, i cannot find a way to sync my ubuntu one contacts. in the ubuntu one control panel, i can see "Enable evolution-couchdb plugin". but i'm using thunderbird, not evolution. so how do i sync my ubuntu one contacts with thunderbird? can anyone help?
[11:42] <macer1> rigved, maybe it is not implemented
[11:43] <rigved> macer1: i was just now googling for this. it seems that there an extension, but it is still experimental.
[11:44] <rigved> in thunderbird, i can create a new network-based calendar, but it is not the same as contacts-sync, afaik.
[11:46] <rigved> sorry, my mistake. calendar and contacts are two different things!
[11:46] <BluesKaj> hey all
[11:55] <Peter_Bilt> i am sadly i can't see my fanrpm
[12:07] <alkisg> I'm running `apport-bug linux` in Oneiric beta 1 live CD, and it tells me that it cannot report the bug because it's not a genuine Ubuntu package...???
[12:10] <winut> Howdy BluesKaj! any luck with muon yet?
[12:11] <rigved> alkisg: there is no package called linux. do you want to collect information against the linux kernel?
[12:12] <alkisg> rigved: yes, and the apport-bug manpage states that "linux" is special-cased just for that
[12:12] <alkisg>        As a special case, to report a bug against the Linux kernel, you do not need to use the full package name (such as linux-image-2.6.28-4-generic); you can just use
[12:12] <alkisg>            apport-bug linux
[12:12] <jtaylor> are you using the stock linux kernel?
[12:13] <alkisg> The one that comes with the oneiric beta live cd
[12:13] <alkisg> So I guess yes, not the vanilla one, but the stock ubuntu one
[12:14] <alkisg> It might have been superseeded in the archives since beta1 was released (3.0.0-9)
[12:14] <rigved> alkisg: what happens when you try to use apport against the full package name? use uname -r to get the version number.
[12:15] <alkisg> rigved: exactly the same error message is displayed
[12:16] <alkisg> (apport-bug linux-image-3.0.0-9-generic)
[12:19] <rigved> alkisg: i just now tried the command: apport-bug linux; and it worked. maybe the fact that you are using a LiveCD (no actual installed package) is causing the problem, but not sure about this.
[12:20] <alkisg> Thank you rigved
[12:57] <BluesKaj> no updates today ?
[13:16] <penguin42> BluesKaj: There are  apile waiting here
[13:19] <BluesKaj> penguin42, how long since you updated ?
[13:20] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I did an update yesterday, actually on <--- machine it said no updates, but I hit check and it found some, so I think they probably landed in the last hour or so
[13:23] <BluesKaj> ok , I just had one , os-prober ...was afraid I acquired the same problem of seeming blocked updates/upgrades that some others have encountered
[13:24] <ernstp> Anyone elses Firefox crashing all the time?
[13:24] <ernstp> Even in safe-mode
[13:25]  * penguin42 mostly uses chrome, but firefox seems ok for the 1 or 2 pages I use it for
[13:32] <ernstp> crashes on gmail for example
[13:32] <BluesKaj> whoa , pc just crashed
[13:33] <BluesKaj> as if i hit actrl+al+delete
[13:33] <penguin42> not good
[13:33] <BluesKaj> ernstp, altho FF seems ok here
[13:34] <ernstp> Signature	libgobject-2.0.so.0.2990.0@0x11caa
[13:35] <ernstp> on the crashes
[13:35] <ernstp> so maybe not firefox related..
[13:36] <BluesKaj> I didn't have FF running at the time
[13:52] <winut> any idea why phonon backend vlc wont work with amarok on kubuntu 11.10? thanks (causes it to crash immediately)
[13:54] <Peter_Bilt> i want my fancontrol back
[13:54] <Peter_Bilt> i cant' see rpm
[13:55] <winut> did you lose this feature in a kernel update?
[13:55] <Peter_Bilt> no
[13:55] <winut> what is your os?
[13:55] <Peter_Bilt> 10.10
[13:55] <Peter_Bilt> and i got a asrock fatality
[13:55] <winut> when/how did you lose it?
[13:55] <Peter_Bilt> on toilet
[13:56] <winut> if you lose it on the toilet, that fine as its in private! lol
[13:57] <Peter_Bilt> no clue
[13:57] <Peter_Bilt> i think its a sensors issue
[13:57] <Peter_Bilt> let me check lm-sensors version
[13:57] <Peter_Bilt> sensors version 3.3.0 with libsensors version 3.3.0
[13:58] <winut> so you've had it working before on 10.10?
[14:09] <Peter_Bilt> those module init tools aren't working on z68
[14:19] <nperry> Where are auto-start application list kept now?
[14:28] <TheBuntu> Does Nvidia drivers work yet in 11.10
[14:29] <ernstp> nperry, the utility menu in the top right corner has startup applications
[14:29] <blostoks1> guys i just installed ubuntu+1, and i was wondering how i could disable compiz
[14:30] <blostoks1> sorry closed my connection
[14:31] <blostoks1> anybody any idea
[14:32] <TheBuntu> if i dident want compiz i would unstall it
[14:32] <nperry> ernstp: I might be being blind, cant see it
[14:32] <nperry> oh now i can
[14:32] <nperry> I was being blind
[14:33] <TheBuntu> In 11.10 does Nvidia work yet
[14:33] <BluesKaj> TheBuntu, nvidia-current driver is working fine here
[14:34] <TheBuntu> was just woundering sence in alpha it dident
[14:34] <BluesKaj> which nvidia card , TheBuntu ?
[14:35] <blostoks1> guys how do i disable compiz
[14:35] <TheBuntu> 8400GS
[14:36] <charlie-tca> compiz is required by unity desktop. Disabling it means it can't run the Ubuntu session
[14:36] <IdleOne> blostoks1: Unity requires compiz to run
[14:36] <IdleOne> blostoks1: what is your end goal?
[14:37] <BluesKaj> heh TheBuntu that's the same card I have , have you installed the recommended driver in admin>additional drivers?
[14:37] <blostoks1> well i am installing ubuntu on this old eeepc 901 for my seven year old son, but its a bit slow IdleOne so i was wondering if i could disale it
[14:38] <IdleOne> blostoks1: hmm perhaps try Lubuntu if it has low specs
[14:38] <blostoks1> besides that i get an error when i start ubuntu, that some programs has experienced some problem
[14:38] <TheBuntu> BluesKaj: still on 11.04.. thats why i was asking if nvidia worked yet befor i upgraded
[14:38] <blostoks1> is that a known problem IdleOne
[14:39] <IdleOne> blostoks1: that is expected with a beta version
[14:39] <blostoks1> lol, oke
[14:39] <IdleOne> errors are expected I mean
[14:39] <blostoks1> yeah i know,
[14:39] <blostoks1> last question how doi i add programs to the left sidebar
[14:40] <IdleOne> run the app and then right click on the icon > keep in launcher
[14:41] <blostoks1> kee and in the same way i could remove apps i suppose
[14:41] <BluesKaj> TheBuntu, I'm not on unity or any other gnome desktops ,, i run KDE and i don't need compiz , so your situation will be differnt altho with the 8400gs , you shouldn't have any problems
[14:42] <TheBuntu> BluesKaj: im kde as well
[14:43] <blostoks1> thanks IdleOne :) btw is the ubuntu software center already working
[14:43] <blostoks1> because i tried to install vlc through it but it did not install
[14:45] <thoeger> Hi folks, still have the problem that I seem to only get a Unity2D session no matter what entry I chooese in LightDM and same thing in GDM. Any suggestions as to how I can troubleshoot?
[14:45] <BluesKaj> TheBuntu, then you should be fine , look in the kmenu>apps>settings>additional drivers for the recommended driver , the 280.13 is also recommended on 11,04
[14:47] <TheBuntu> i know that.... im upgradeing to 11.10 right now..... i was just checking to to if the driver worked yet.... sence it dident in 11.10 alpha stage
[14:48] <TheBuntu> 270 is 11.04
[14:49] <BluesKaj> TheBuntu, 280.13  is also quite stable on 11.10 , tho you may need to use nomodeset in /etc/default/grub "quiet splash "
[14:49] <IdleOne> blostoks1: no clue. I never use it.
[14:50] <BluesKaj> TheBuntu, I'm runniung 280 on my other kubuntu pc with 11.04 ...it has a 7600gt graphics
[14:51] <TheBuntu> oh ok..... i installed 11.04 yesterday and it gave me 270
[14:53] <BluesKaj> that's fine TheBuntu , if it runs ok no need to upgrade .
[14:57] <don-i> hey i got some 11.10 problems
[14:57] <blostoks1> like what don-i
[14:57] <don-i> i upgrade from 11.04 and it worked, but it was slow and sluggish, i think i broke it before i even upgraded by installing gnome 3
[14:58] <don-i> so i did a clean install and everything was good (meaning no errors during the install process)
[14:58] <don-i> now ubuntu wont boot
[14:58] <blostoks1> yeah that is a problem
[14:58] <macer1> don-i, uefi? bios?
[14:58] <don-i> i can get to grub, and if wait for the grub timeout, it chooses the default option, the screen goes black and i just have a flashing cursor
[14:58] <blostoks1> well i am a archlinux user myself, only installing ubuntu for my son
[14:59] <blostoks1> but it feels slow a sluggy on this old eeepc 901
[14:59] <blostoks1> but i like it very much i must say
[14:59] <don-i> if i manually choose the option in grub, it spits out stuff on a black screen and stops there
[14:59] <don-i> i just wanted gnome 3
[14:59] <don-i> lol
[14:59] <don-i> i hated unity
[14:59] <don-i> i know they are similar
[14:59] <don-i> but gnome 3 has a better feel to it
[14:59] <macer1> unity is better in oneiric, btw
[15:00] <don-i> lol
[15:00] <don-i> well...id like to get into ubuntu first..really at this point anything would be good
[15:00] <don-i> when i go into recovery, same thing, spits out some stuff on a black screen and hangs there
[15:01] <blostoks1> yeah, well for me the compiz is a problem on this old system
[15:01] <blostoks1> for example i started ubuntu software center, and now it wont close and does not work
[15:02] <don-i> guess its still pretty beta
[15:02] <don-i> lol
[15:03] <penguin42> yofel_: On your kubuntu install is the shutdown button still there on 'leave'? It's gone for me - just shows sleep and hibernate on the bottom half of the menu
[15:03] <blostoks1> does kununtu allso has ubuntu software center
[15:04] <penguin42> it seems to have a Muon software centre instead
[15:07] <don-i> oh ok got it
[15:07] <don-i> had to add to my grub file acpi=off
[15:10] <blostoks1> kee thanks penguin42
[15:16] <thoeger> So, when I try to do "compiz --replace" in a terminal, I get the following output: "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0". - three times.
[15:20] <penguin42> thoeger: Ah, you have a graphics driver problem
[15:27] <yofel_> penguin42: still there, but not updated in 2 days (got home from vacation yesterday)
[15:31] <penguin42> yofel: Thanks
[15:37] <penguin42> reported it as bug 853294
[15:56] <chris123> greets
[15:57] <chris123> Somehow the file extension association system got broken in my install of 11.10 Every time I try to open a file in the file manger it launches VLC player. Where do I reset the file extensions and associated programs. Many thanks
[16:01] <glebihan> chris123, deleting ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list should fix this, you may have to log out and back in for changes to take effect
[16:02] <chris123> OK let me give that a try...logging out would be a good thing...:)
[16:08] <winut_> chris, had the same problem! lol
[16:10] <winut_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=936044
[16:11] <winut_> oh, he's not back yet! doh
[16:11] <chris123> Thanks guys that did the trick
[16:12] <chris123> much appreciated....nice work on 11.10 ..:)
[16:12] <chris123> ciao
[16:23] <Peter_Bilt> arkanoid the revenge of doh!
[17:00] <Peter_Bilt> re there any proprietary drivers for sandy?
[17:02] <Peter_Bilt> someone wrote the sandy bridge need  30 percent more power on oneric compared to natty
[17:16] <james296> has anyone else here noticed under System Settings there are 2 Ubuntu One apps in there?
[17:18] <james296> anyone?
[17:18] <macer1> yes
[17:18] <macer1> a bug
[17:19] <james296> why is that? Is there any way to remove the other?
[17:19] <macer1> i was looking to fix this, but i don't know where to look
[17:19] <james296> has it already been noted?
[17:19] <jbicha> yes, bug 838778
[17:20] <james296> also, is there a way to stick with Firefox 6 stable on here instead of Firefox 7?
[17:20] <james296> easily?
[17:20] <macer1> firefox 7 is here because it will be stable before releasing 11.10 ;)
[17:21] <james296> will it really? damn that will be quick
[17:21] <jbicha> james296: downgrades aren't really supported
[17:21] <jbicha> james296: https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar
[17:22] <james296> it looks like theres a fix in that link you posted to me jbicha
[17:22] <jbicha> Firefox 6 will have known security vulnerabilities by next week so it's not a good idea just for that
[17:22] <jbicha> yes, the Ubuntu One issue will be fixed whenever they get around to pushing the update
[17:23] <james296> I dont know how to apply the fix though
[17:23] <jbicha> I wouldn't worry about it, it will definitely be fixed before release
[17:24] <james296> but I want it fixed now, lol
[17:24] <james296> also, is it a bug that you cant view view purchased apps in the software center?
[17:25] <james296> the reason why I wanted to go back to Firefox 6 is because I hate that stupid feedback button being in the way
[17:26] <james296> nevermind
[17:26] <james296> removed it
[17:26] <james296> lol
[17:38] <gabspeck> hello everyone
[17:38] <gabspeck> yesterday i set up an external monitor for use with my laptop
[17:38] <gabspeck> after restarting, whenever i plug my external monitor, both the laptop display and the external monitor get no image!
[17:39] <penguin42> sounds like a display driver bug - what video hardware do you have?
[17:41] <gabspeck> it's an nvidia
[17:41] <gabspeck> i'm currently using the nouveau driver
[17:42] <gabspeck> until yesterday it worked... i plugged the external display and went to the 'displays' settings applet, and configured it to disable the laptop's display and set the external device as the main monitor
[18:13] <synackfin> does anyone else have trouble booting 11.10 server ?
[18:14] <synackfin> it gets to init-bottom, then after a long while it spams hundreds of "mknod: permission-denied filesystem is read-only" errors, and since /dev is broken, it just hangs after that point
[18:14] <synackfin> I'm runing 11.10 server on a raid+lvm setup
[18:15] <synackfin> it seems as if there's a missing 'mount -o rw /' somewhere
[18:15] <ikonia> synackfin: what type of raid
[18:16] <synackfin> raid1 on classic <2TB msdos partitions
[18:16] <ikonia> hardware raid, motherboard raid, or software raid ?
[18:16] <synackfin> software raid, mdadm
[18:16] <ikonia> synackfin: ok, so my advice is to strip it back with 3 painful, but reasonable tests
[18:17] <ikonia> synackfin: 1.)install on 1 disk, no lvm
[18:17] <ikonia> synackfin: 2.) install on 2 disks mdadm mirrored, but no lvm
[18:17] <ikonia> see if any of those trigger it
[18:17] <ikonia> 3.) install on 1 disk no mirror, with lvm
[18:17] <ikonia> then we can work forward
[18:19] <synackfin> ikonia: the "hard" part of lvm+raid is done since grub was able to boot the kernel, and the initramfs does see my partitions if I do mount -t udev devfs /dev
[18:19] <synackfin> so it seems that raid+lvm initialized fine and passed through grub+kernel+early stage of initramfs
[18:22] <synackfin> is there a way to capture the errors?  The hundreds of "mknod: permission denied - filesystem is readonly" errors erase the more 'useful' errors printing to the monitor
[18:22] <synackfin> the output doesn't seem buffered; pgup / shft-pgup don't let me scroll up
[18:23] <synackfin> also the display is set to 640x480, which means I can only see 40 lines of text
[18:25] <synackfin> also, I was trying the nightly build;  I'm going to retry using beta1 to see if that helps
[18:32] <synackfin> ikonia: oh, and the installer ought to check if there's enough free space for grub before doing the entire install.  The installer errored out at the -very- last stage (installing grub) because I didn't reserve 8MB of free space preceding the first partition
[18:33] <synackfin> I redid the partitions and it succeeded once I left room for grub
[18:42] <bullgard4> penguin42: Launchpad bug #852469
[18:42] <synackfin> ikonia: 1) fine,  2+3) permission denied errors
[18:46] <synackfin> is there any way to step-through the initramfs line by line?
[18:46] <synackfin> I want to see exactly what it's executing and the warnings/errors each line produces
[18:47] <synackfin> it issues a lot of mount/mknod/chroot commands and I want to sanity check them
[18:47] <ikonia>  synackfin very interesting
[18:47] <ikonia> synackfin: I don't see it as an init ram fs error
[18:47] <ikonia> synackfin: what happens if you boot into the recovery shell
[18:48] <synackfin> ikonia: isn't it an initramfs error if '/' remains readonly ?
[18:48] <ikonia> I don't believe so at this time,
[18:49] <synackfin> ikonia: at the very least, initramfs should error if it's unable to remount '/' as rw
[18:49] <synackfin> ikonia: otherwise it just goes on to generate hundreds of other errors
[18:49] <ikonia> I don't believe initramfs is a problem
[18:49] <penguin42> synackfin: You say / is ro - but otherwise started up ok?
[18:50] <synackfin> penguin42: no, the mknod failed on /dev and so mingetty can't get a /dev/pts/tty and a host of other issues due to /dev/ being mostly empty
[18:51] <penguin42> synackfin: Any idea what the very first error you see is ?
[18:51] <synackfin> penguin42: that's what I'm trying to figure out;  the hundreds of mknod permission denied errors scrolled away anything useful
[18:52] <synackfin> penguin42: if I can step through the initramfs I can at least see what the 1st error is
[18:52] <penguin42> synackfin: I'd boot off a rescue cd/thumb and fsck the rootfs
[18:52] <synackfin> penguin42: the rootfs is fine; I can chroot from a livecd and it works nicely
[18:53] <penguin42> synackfin: Huh, weird
[18:53] <synackfin> penguin42: chroot'ing into oneiric avoids oneiric's initramfs
[18:54] <penguin42> synackfin: Yeh, it's just that reasons for staying ro are a bit weird, normally things like a corrupt fs will cause the kernel to switch it to ro
[18:54] <synackfin> penguin42: I can manually make it rw by doing mount -t udev devfs /dev && mount -o rw /
[18:55] <penguin42> synackfin: Anything in dmesg ?
[18:55] <synackfin> penguin42: I'll check soon.. trying beta1 (was doing nightly build)
[18:57] <synackfin> penguin42: but ideally, I'd like it to drop me a shell on the 1st error instead of continuing
[18:58] <synackfin> penguin42: that would both let me see exactly what the root cause is, and be able to intervene
[19:00] <penguin42> nod
[19:00] <synackfin> penguin42: I'm just puzzled because I'm able to manually remount '/' as rw
[19:01] <synackfin> penguin42: do you know of any "step-through" option?
[19:01] <penguin42> nod, you could try doing the mknod
[19:01] <penguin42> anyway, got to go
[19:01] <synackfin> penguin42: instead of mknod, I just did `mount -t udev devtmpfs /dev` and that had everything I needed
[19:02] <synackfin> penguin42: it could be that initramfs for some reason forgot to mount /dev and all those mknod permission denied errors were due to that
[19:04] <synackfin> unless /dev is mounted, any mknod attempt would operate on the root partition '/', and that would result in all the permission-denied errors since it problem remounts '/' as rw much later
[19:04] <synackfin> it probably* remounts
[19:10] <synackfin> it might be the parallel-init that oneiric does
[19:22] <mongy> -offtopic
[19:22] <mongy> oops
[19:52] <vooze> hey guys, whats the default font in ubuntu with gnome shell?
[19:52] <vooze> you can see in in gnome-tweak-tool under Fonts
[20:28] <vooze> Sorry for quit before, did anything answer?
[20:28] <vooze> hey guys, whats the default font in ubuntu with gnome shell? you can see in gnome-tweak-tool
[21:50] <FernandoMiguel> brOas
[22:10] <utusan> how can I make the lower-right corner or any corner act like the upper-left corner in gnome-shell? kinda hard when you have a large screen :)
[22:11] <utusan> or is there a short-cut key?
[22:13] <tomodachi> utusan: if you have a multi touch touchpad (on a laptop it's all four fingers)
[22:13] <utusan> on a desktop?
[22:14] <utusan> tomodachi, ^^
[22:56] <Chotaz> Hello everyone
[22:57] <Chotaz> Is the Oneiric Beta 1 stable for everyday computing needs?
[23:17] <funkyHat> ugh. apt is totally failing to resolve dependencies for upgrding to oneiric (after update-manager failed to do it too and dropped out without reverting)
[23:21] <hacked_kernel> GDM crashes, i'm using KDM only,  and also I can't start Unity 3D or Gnome-Shell, they all crashes
[23:21] <hacked_kernel> I installed Ubuntu-desktop and gnome-shell on kubuntu
[23:28] <hacked_kernel> any ideas?
[23:28] <synackfin> there's something wrong with the order of the scripts in initramfs -- it isn't properly creating /dev prior to mounting / as rw (causing the remount of / as rw to fail on LVM)
[23:40] <synackfin> also, in recovery mode, "remount / as rw and mount all other filesystems" is hanging
[23:40] <synackfin> what commands does it run?
[23:46] <synackfin> it appears that /var/mapper/* is not properly being initialized
[23:46] <synackfin> has anyone else tried booting with LVM?
[23:48] <necreo> banshee still freezes my system when launching it
[23:48] <necreo> anyone else? any fix?
[23:52] <necreo> even moving ~/.config/banshee-1, thus resetting the configuration does nothing
[23:52] <necreo> still freezes up here
[23:52] <necreo> does this happen to anyone else