[01:19] <waleed-mcdonald> Hello All
[01:57] <Space-Duck> What's the most secure way to transfer files to a webserver on public networks?
[01:58] <escott_> Space-Duck, scp
[01:58] <escott_> Space-Duck, or rsync over ssh or sftp pretty much anything ssh related
[02:02] <Space-Duck> SSH would be great! Too bad I got crappy shared hosting.
[02:02] <Space-Duck> Maybe SCP will work
[02:03] <pleia2> scp is ssh-based so you'd need an ssh login to use it
[02:03] <Space-Duck> well... crap.
[02:04] <Space-Duck> Can it be done without SSH access?
[02:04] <Space-Duck> transfer files securely, that is.
[02:06] <pleia2> what does your shared hosting offer?
[02:06] <pleia2> ftps is a possibility, but it's not very common
[02:09] <Space-Duck> Maybe it's time to upgrade to a VPS and just use SSH
[07:06] <cryptopsy> hi, does anyone have logs for a person named 'hellow' ?
[13:20] <theAnimal-ZA> afternoon everyone
[13:20] <theAnimal-ZA> I was wondering if someone could help me please?
[13:21] <Abhijit> ask
[13:21] <theAnimal-ZA> I have downloaded a wireless network driver for ubuntu 11.04 and am not sure how to install the driver (I am sure this is a linux driver I am jsut not sure how to install the driver)
[13:23] <theAnimal-ZA> has anyone got any ideas?
[13:23] <holstein> theAnimal-ZA: where did you get the driver?
[13:24] <holstein> typically, hardware "just works"
[13:24] <holstein> if not, you'll see a pop-up sometimes about proprietary software being available
[13:25] <holstein> if its a package you downloaded from a vendor, there should be a readme in there somewhere
[13:25] <theAnimal-ZA> Thanks holstein how do i see what hardware is installed on my machine or ubuntu is aware of a wireless card?
[13:26] <holstein> theAnimal-ZA: what is the wireless hardware? broadcom?
[13:26] <theAnimal-ZA> (I can't see any wireless networks and wireless light is flashing so i know its not working properly)
[13:27] <holstein> if you can wire up to internet temporarily, there might be a blob available
[13:27] <theAnimal-ZA> Windows believes it is a realtek
[13:27] <theAnimal-ZA> and that is what hp has on its site for this model
[13:28] <holstein> theAnimal-ZA: open a terminal
[13:28] <holstein> run... lspci
[13:28] <theAnimal-ZA> I am on the machine now with ethernet holstein
[13:28] <holstein> copy and paste that to http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[13:29] <theAnimal-ZA> "43:00.0 Network controller: Ralink corp. RT3090 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe"
[13:29] <theAnimal-ZA> ok
[13:29] <theAnimal-ZA> will do that holstein
[13:30] <theAnimal-ZA> http://paste.ubuntu.com/692294/
[13:31] <holstein> theAnimal-ZA: this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1314747 suggests
[13:31] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~markus-tisoft/+archive/rt3090/+files/rt3090-dkms_2.3.1.3-0ubuntu0~ppa1_all.deb
[13:33] <theAnimal-ZA> Thanks for your help holstein i appreciate it
[13:33] <theAnimal-ZA> i am have installed it and will restart machine quickly
[13:36] <kristian-aalborg> hurm, my box halted on boot with "call_syscall" something something.... anyone know what that could be about?
[13:37] <theAnimal-ZA> holstein: if you dont mind me asking..... how did you find that so quickly?
[13:37] <holstein> theAnimal-ZA: google-fu :)
[13:37] <theAnimal-ZA> whahaha :)
[13:38] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: :/
[13:38] <holstein> thats not cool
[13:39] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: you have any packages half-installed or whatever?
[13:39] <holstein> maybe an interrupted update/upgrade?
[13:40] <kristian-aalborg> holstein, yo ;)
[13:40] <kristian-aalborg> not that I know of
[13:41]  * kristian-aalborg looks into it
[13:46] <theAnimal-ZA> BRB restarting machine
[13:49] <kristian-aalborg> hmm... command is 'sudo aptitude -f' or something, right?
[13:49] <holstein> kristian-aalborg: i would just run sudo apt-get update
[13:49] <holstein> i would expect to see errors there
[13:51] <kristian-aalborg> I did have some weird leftover, got rid of it... let's see what happens
[13:52] <holstein> other than that, you'll have to just catch that error message and go from there
[13:54] <kristian-aalborg> I feared it meant borken CPU... as long as it's not that, I can live with it
[13:55] <kristian-aalborg> (of course not borken mobo either, but you get my drift..)
[13:55] <holstein> i guess anything is possible
[14:35] <theAnimal-ZA> afternoon everyone i am back
[14:43] <theAnimal-ZA> what is the command to see ethernet adaptors and wireless nextwork adapters that holstein mentioned earlier in this chat?
[14:45] <theAnimal-ZA> the reason i ask is i am trying to source a driver for my realtek wireless driver (HP 4320) for ubuntu 11.04
[14:56] <MavJS> theAnimal-ZA: lspci
[14:56] <theAnimal-ZA> thanks MavJS
[14:57] <theAnimal-ZA> I tried holstein's fix which unfortunatley did no work
[14:57] <theAnimal-ZA> I am trying to get my hp probook's 4320s realtek wireless adapter working with ubuntu 11.04
[14:57] <theAnimal-ZA> I am checking forums and dont see anything clear cut at present
[14:57] <theAnimal-ZA> any ideas?
[15:02] <holstein> theAnimal-ZA: sure
[15:02] <holstein> you could try a few different live CD's
[15:02] <holstein> you could link me the drivers you downloaded
[15:02] <holstein> theAnimal-ZA: how did that package i linked fail?
[15:03] <holstein> what OS are you using?
[15:04] <theAnimal-ZA> i am running my os off a usb pen drive 8GB, Ubuntu 11.04
[15:04] <coalwater> did you try the doc page ubot has?
[15:04] <holstein> http://www.linlap.com/wiki/hp+probook+4320s
[15:05] <holstein> http://www.lapwik.com/hp_probook_4320s
[15:05] <holstein> this link references following a readme file http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1600498.html
[15:06] <theAnimal-ZA> thanks
[15:06] <holstein> sometimes, you can get a different rev of the hardware, and have different experiences
[15:06] <holstein> are you on a known good network?
[15:06] <holstein> are you new to linux? do you know how the network manger works?
[15:07] <theAnimal-ZA> i am connected via ethernet to my router at home
[15:07] <theAnimal-ZA> yes very new to linux
[15:07] <holstein> right, but is that a known good wifi scenario?
[15:07] <theAnimal-ZA> yes i am connected on phone
[15:07] <theAnimal-ZA> and with another laptop currently
[15:07] <holstein> ok
[15:08] <theAnimal-ZA> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1476007&highlight=RT3090
[15:09] <theAnimal-ZA> I am about to try...
[15:09] <holstein> i use 10.04
[15:09] <holstein> you could try a 10.04 live CD
[15:09] <holstein> that might work for your version though...
[15:12] <theAnimal-ZA> ok
[15:13] <holstein> theAnimal-ZA: also, you might want to just upgrade all your packages
[15:13] <holstein> i installed 10.04 on this netbook (asus eeepc 1001p), sound and wifi did *not* work... i upgraded the packages, and everything "just worked"
[15:17] <theAnimal-ZA> aaahh
[15:17] <theAnimal-ZA> that explains it holstein
[15:17] <holstein> whats that?
[15:17] <theAnimal-ZA> i believe the using the usb pen drive in persistance mode
[15:17] <holstein> i dont do that
[15:17] <holstein> i just install to USB
[15:18] <theAnimal-ZA> its causing some issues as when i did my updates there were errors
[15:18] <holstein> it lets the USB have an ext format, and takes care of all the persistance issues, and user permissions
[15:18] <holstein> theAnimal-ZA: yeah, thats likely.. you need to have everything nice and clean
[15:18] <theAnimal-ZA> also when doing updates i get and error
[15:18] <holstein> theAnimal-ZA: if you want 11.04, i would get the alternate installer
[15:18] <theAnimal-ZA> restart the machine and it works as if the error did not occur
[15:18] <holstein> install to the USB stick
[15:19] <theAnimal-ZA> i used universal usb installer
[15:19] <holstein> then, you can install grub to the USB stick
[15:19] <holstein> theAnimal-ZA: right, that makes you a live USB stick
[15:19] <holstein> thats *not* what im suggesting
[15:19] <holstein> you will just instal ubuntu
[15:19] <holstein> you will end up with a normal installation just installed on the USB stick
[15:19] <theAnimal-ZA> okay
[15:19] <holstein> and the boot loader will be on the USB stick just like you have now
[15:20] <theAnimal-ZA> i am not following you in terms of an alternate installer holstein?
[15:20] <holstein> http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/
[15:20] <holstein> theAnimal-ZA: you'll see 'alternate'
[15:20] <holstein> the normal one will assume you want grub on the main hard drive
[15:21] <holstein> thats OK, but your master boot record will get replaced
[15:21] <holstein> if you have windows on the drive, you will be able to boot windows, but you will have to have the USB stick inserted to boot
[15:21] <holstein> *not* ideal
[15:21] <holstein> you use the alternate, and at the end of the installation process, you will be asked about installing grub
[15:22] <holstein> you tell the installer to install grub on the USB stick
[15:22] <holstein> then, you have exactly what you have now, except, its a full, normal installation
[15:22] <theAnimal-ZA> awesome!
[15:22] <holstein> theAnimal-ZA: im my opinion, if i were going to install on USB, and i had enough resources (2gb of ram, and a modern processor) i would just install in virtual box
[15:23] <holstein> that is arguably easier, and you'll have no driver issues
[15:23] <theAnimal-ZA> ok
[15:23] <theAnimal-ZA> this is a work pc
[15:23] <holstein> sure... you can install software though right?
[15:24] <theAnimal-ZA> nope its locked down
[15:24] <theAnimal-ZA> i will ask for a vm to be installed and see what they say
[15:24] <theAnimal-ZA> i have feeling i am going to be shot down tho
[15:24] <holstein> dual boot then
[15:24] <holstein> just install normally, and let it shrink that partition
[15:25] <theAnimal-ZA> hahahaha
[15:25] <holstein> if you bork it, its someone esles responsibility
[15:25] <theAnimal-ZA> holstein: you are evil geniud
[15:25] <theAnimal-ZA> *genius
[15:25] <theAnimal-ZA> I am going to go ahead with that
[15:25] <theAnimal-ZA> :)
[15:25] <holstein> :)
[15:26] <holstein> if i were installing right now, i would have a hard time deciding between 10.04, and 11.10
[15:27] <holstein> 11.10 is almost released... just a few weeks really
[15:27] <holstein> then, you get 18 months of support
[15:27] <holstein> 11.04 is 6 months old, so you only get a year of support from now
[15:28] <holstein> 10.04 is the last LTS (long term support) and that will have support for another 18 months too
[15:28] <holstein> theAnimal-ZA: i wouldnt lose any sleep over it though... just know how to fix it
[15:28] <theAnimal-ZA> when you say support are you talking drivers etc?
[15:29] <theAnimal-ZA> how clean iwill an upgrade be?
[15:29] <theAnimal-ZA> or does that potentially cause problems
[15:30] <holstein> theAnimal-ZA: im talking about the repositories
[15:30] <holstein> when you run sudo apt-get update, that updates the cache of pacakges ubuntu is supplying for us free of charge
[15:31] <holstein> and those packges get updated, and maintained
[15:31] <holstein> 18months for the normal releases, and 3 years for the LTS's, (5 years for the server)
[15:32] <holstein> theAnimal-ZA: im not sure i follow the upgrade question
[15:32] <holstein> if you ran an upgrade, and have errors, thats not good
[15:32] <holstein> you'll want to address those errors
[15:32] <holstein> anything else you install could just not work becuase of that...
[15:36] <theAnimal-ZA> okay!
[15:36] <theAnimal-ZA> i understand
[15:37] <theAnimal-ZA> holstein: Thank you for your help you are a champion
[15:37] <theAnimal-ZA> I am going to do the install now
[15:37] <theAnimal-ZA> and will disconnect
[15:37] <theAnimal-ZA> you see guys around soon
[15:37] <theAnimal-ZA> :)
[15:38] <holstein> theAnimal-ZA: good luck :)
[17:32] <luxhart> Hello. I have a problem with my graphics. I'm running Xubuntu version 11.04 desktop. When I try to go into TTY1-6 (ctrl-alt-Fn), my sa
[17:32] <luxhart> msung monitor/tv shows "not supported mode". This also happens when I run a fullscreen game, and I end up having to restart the computer (except for TTY, I just go back to GUI mode TTY7). The screen is blank, of course, besides the floating words "not supported mode". I recently built my barebones desktop computer. Specs: AMD Phenom II x4 CPU; NVIDIA GeForce 7025 & nForce 630a chipset; 8GB DDR3 dual RAM; 64-bit.
[17:33] <holstein> luxhart: i would want to boot a live CD in safe graphics mode
[17:33] <holstein> sometimes i boot puppy linux or knoppix and copy the xorg.conf files for buntu use :)
[17:36] <luxhart> holstein, those work for Ubuntu too? That's interesting. How about if I use the XUbuntu's liveCD? Also, I have the same problem when using Lubuntu as well.
[17:36] <holstein> right, thats why i use puppy for that
[17:36] <holstein> the xorg.conf *should* wolk
[17:36] <holstein> work*
[17:36] <holstein> i would expect the buntu's to configure similarly
[17:36] <holstein> you could have a driver issue
[17:37] <holstein> could be the resolution is just not right for the monitor
[17:37] <holstein> i suggest using live CD's so you dont break your current install troubleshooting
[17:37] <luxhart> True. I've installed the current NVIDIA driver to no avail.
[17:38] <luxhart> Okay, I'll try it out now. THanks, holstein!
[17:38] <holstein> you might have an xorg.conf then
[17:38] <holstein> i think some of the nvidia drivers give you one
[17:38] <holstein> you could look from TTY
[17:38] <holstein> nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf or whatever it is
[17:38] <luxhart> let me see...
[17:38] <holstein> see what the resolution is, and if its strange, make it more normal
[17:39] <holstein> luxhart: as long as you back that up, and know how to recover...
[17:40] <luxhart> Here's what's in the file:
[17:40] <luxhart> Section "Device"
[17:40] <luxhart> Identifier	"Default Device"
[17:40] <luxhart> Option	"NoLogo"	"True"
[17:41] <luxhart> EndSection
[17:41] <luxhart> ...That's it
[17:47] <luxhart> Okay, testing the liveCD. I'll update you on my results after. Thanks!
[19:45] <semitones> so I'm trying kubuntu out, after seeing my friend's really cool setup
[19:46] <semitones> but lots of it is broken and confusing, like the sound, and the networking
[19:47] <semitones> I get the feeling that there's something oddly configured on my system that breaks things
[19:47] <semitones> and if I did a clean install everything would work fine...
[19:47] <semitones> except nothing would be configured
[19:48] <philipballew> semitones, what exactly is not working?
[19:49] <semitones> of the two things I've mentioned, the sound applet doesn't satisfactorily control the sound, and the speakers play when headphones are plugged in
[19:50] <semitones> that and I can't figure out how to make wifi turn off when ethernet is plugged in, but i don't care as much about that
[19:54] <philipballew> id install and i can help you or attempt to help ypur sound semitones
[19:54] <philipballew> *your
[19:55] <philipballew> how new is your computer?
[19:56] <semitones> thanks for your willingness to help, philipballew, but I don't think it will be an obvious solution... the computer itself is only a year old (hp pavilion dm3)
[19:57] <semitones> and I have to run in about 5 minutes -- but i made a post on ubuntu forums, if you'd like to take a look
[19:57] <philipballew> after you install ill see what guides there are for this
[19:57] <philipballew> whats the url
[19:58] <philipballew> ill help you on there
[19:58] <semitones> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1846130
[19:59] <semitones> thanks a lot :)
[19:59] <philipballew> ill provide support there for you over the next few days
[20:38] <Luxhart> holstein: Hello? are you there?
[20:42] <Luxhart> holstein, I've copied files from the liveCD to "/etc/grub.d" and "/etc/X11". I've reinstalled Xubuntu, as well as the additional NVIDIA drivers. Nothing different happened.
[20:53] <Luxhart> Ah, I've looked at something right now. I'm a little angry at this, but I came across some settings that said my graphics card supports 32bit! I'm running Xubuntu 64bit! Okay, one last thing to do is to reinstall Xubuntu 11.04 Desktop 32bit.
[20:54] <Luxhart> I could of sworn the manufacturer said 64 bit...
[21:53] <Gene> Hi pleia2, long time no chat.
[23:17] <pleia2> hi Gene
[23:18] <Gene> pleia2, you remember chatting with me when i first got into ubuntu almost 2 yrs ago?
[23:19] <pleia2> Gene: yes, in one of the state channels, I believe? Hope everything is going well :)
[23:20] <Gene> kclug, and kslug. things are ok, learning about other linuxs, a bit at a time
[23:21] <Gene> candi and i don't like 11 with the 'unity' theme. we've both swiched back to 10.10
[23:22] <pleia2> in 11.04 if you select "Gnome Classic" on the login screen it doesn't use Unity
[23:22] <pleia2> Unity certainly does take some getting used to
[23:22] <Gene> i tried that and the os was all messed up
[23:22] <pleia2> oh :(
[23:23] <Gene> have you any available advice about any other versions other than ubuntu? i've been having an almost impossible time trying to find help on something else.
[23:25] <Gene> Candi and i have an old friend with an old laptop, too small for ubuntu and have been exploring other things that we could put on it for him, but, running into problems getting grub2 to install properly
[23:26] <pleia2> I primarily use Xubuntu
[23:26] <Gene> it has windows me on it and i took half of the drive and put 'tinycore' linux on it, but not having any luck getting grub to work right
[23:26] <Gene> it only has 128 mb of ram
[23:26] <pleia2> Lubuntu is a good option for older laptops
[23:26] <pleia2> might also want to try Puppy Linux
[23:27] <Gene> puppy linux's grub didn't work right either. tiny core works very fast, and with chrome browser, it's good enough but the problem is getting grub2 to work.
[23:28] <pleia2> strange that grub2 isn't working, might be worthwhile figuring out what the error is to see if it can be fixed somehow
[23:28] <Gene> have you ever looked at tinycore? it's very interesting. ?
[23:28] <pleia2> nope, I haven't
[23:28] <Gene> yes, i don't know enough to do it myself unfortunately, i'm a newbe
[23:29] <pleia2> do you get errors with grub? I'd just put the error message into a google search (or ubuntuforums.org search) and see what comes up
[23:29] <Gene> http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/welcome.html
[23:30] <Gene> i did everything just like it said to, but when it boots, it just gives me a 'grub' line, no choice of os's
[23:30] <Gene> tinycore works entirely in ram, so it's very fast.
[23:31] <pleia2> hm, sounds like it doesn't get to the point of loading grub itself
[23:31] <Gene> not on that page, they give you several different options, one for running 'within windows', another from usb, etc
[23:32] <pleia2> neat
[23:32] <Gene> but the one where you install it to it's own partition works, but i can't get the grub to work right
[23:32] <Gene> with that old p3 and 128 meg of ram it loads a web page as fast as my big machine
[23:33] <pleia2> :)
[23:33] <Gene> I tried the tinycore irc, and they were no help, and the grub irc, they wouldn't help either.
[23:34] <Gene> if i could get it working right i have a bunch of old comps that would be usable.
[23:35] <pleia2> it's doing this on multiple computers?
[23:35] <Gene> I've only tried it on this one laptop so far.
[23:36] <pleia2> I've had really good luck with grub2, even on older systems, so I wouldn't count them all out just because that one laptop is having trouble :)
[23:37] <Gene> perhaps not, i'm just focusing on this laptop first because the owner is a friend
[23:37] <Gene> he's retired and raising 2 granddaughters.
[23:37]  * pleia2 nods
[23:37] <Gene> he just wants something he can do a few things on like check his e-mail
[23:38] <Gene> he needs no bells and whistles
[23:39] <pleia2> busy day for me today, I need to head out again, take care Gene - and good luck!
[23:39] <Gene> have a good night, hope we'll chat again soon. bye
[23:43] <holstein> any italc users?
[23:44] <bookpage> is it bad to use /mnt directory to do things instead of mounting to another place?
[23:45] <holstein> bookpage: what are you doing?
[23:49] <bookpage> trying to make my filesystem faster
[23:50] <bookpage> on my cloud provider that is, holstein
[23:51] <holstein> right on... you'll need to elaborate on what you are doing with mount other than mounting for me to come up with an opinion as to if it is "bad" or not
[23:52] <bookpage> well, I've attached a volume through EBS on EC2 to my instance, but instead of mounting it (from /dev/sdg) to a directory that I've created, it has been mounted to /mnt ... I'm wondering whether or not that is a bad thing?
[23:53] <bookpage> to me it doesn't seem like it should matter, unless there's something different about the /mnt directory that is inbuilt to the OS?
[23:54] <holstein> not that i can think of, nor am aware of
[23:56] <bookpage> okay cool, thanks.