[01:43] <calc> anyone happen to know why curl in natty claims to support https in the package description but when you run it on the command line it says it does not support https?
[09:29] <doko> ScottK, kde/kubuntu review? dvr ftbfs
[09:29] <doko> ScottK, dovecot-metadata-plugin ftbfs
[09:30] <doko> and if you are interested in dovecot, dovecot-antispam
[15:41] <Rovanion> Is wine broken in 11.10 as of now? Seems like there are missing dependencies
[17:14] <charlie-tca> bug 852835 blocks all use of software center in Xubuntu
[17:14] <charlie-tca> well, software center in Oneiric, at least
[18:39] <broder> did oneiric break cd tray locking for anybody else?
[19:49] <soreau> Hi guys, a new version of a package was just released. How can I file a request that there's an update for it in 11.10?
[19:49] <soreau> It's just a game
[19:50] <broder> soreau: you need to go through the FFE process
[19:50] <broder> !ffe
[19:50] <soreau> broder: Well I was kinda meaning that I wanted to request the update for the typical package updates
[19:50] <soreau> or how does that work?
[19:54] <charlie-tca> soreau: too late for Oneiric that way. It will sync in P, if it is updated in Debian.
[19:54] <soreau> charlie-tca: ok
[20:10] <soreau> Is there an easy way to create packages for 32 and 64 bit from a source repository?
[20:11] <broder> soreau: multiarch!
[20:11] <broder> err wait, that might not actually be what you're asking
[20:11] <soreau> !multiarch
[20:11] <soreau> broder: ie. I'
[20:11] <soreau> erm..
[20:12] <broder> soreau: are you trying to create both arch: i386 and arch: amd64 packages at the same time, or are you trying to create, e.g., an amd64 package with i386 binaries in it?
[20:12] <soreau> broder: ie. I do not have 64bit system available but I wanted to know if there's some way to still create packages for both 32 and 64 bit
[20:12] <soreau> broder: The former
[20:12] <broder> i don't think there's any way to do a 64-bit build without having at least a 64-bit kernel (you can always get the 64-bit userspace in a chroot)
[20:12] <broder> ppa builders?
[20:13] <soreau> broder: I was thinking maybe there's some server setup for this purpose, in a snadbox type environment
[20:13] <soreau> sandbox*
[20:14] <broder> soreau: like PPAs?
[20:14] <soreau> broder: I don't really know how ppa's work
[20:14] <soreau> I just wanted to create packages, not a ppa
[20:15] <broder> well, ppas hold packages
[20:17] <soreau> broder: Right, I want to build the packages, not create a package container
[20:17] <broder> soreau: a PPA is an apt repository. it contains packages
[20:17] <jtaylor> ppas also build packages for i386 and amd64
[20:17] <broder> you can build the packages into a ppa, and then download them
[20:17] <soreau> There's no way to do it without creating a ppa?
[20:18] <jtaylor> a virtual machine might work
[20:19] <soreau> jtaylor: How would a vm help?
[20:19] <jtaylor> maybe some vm's can emulate amd64 on i386
[20:20] <jtaylor> but maybe also not, haven't owned a 32 bit machine for avery long time :/
[20:20] <soreau> maybe?
[20:20] <soreau> well I'm looking for answers, not guesses ;)
[20:22] <dtchen> (yes, at least vmware can.)
[20:23] <broder> only if you have VT-x
[20:25] <dtchen> I'm pretty certain my older laptop didn't have VT-x, but I don't have it handy to confirm
[20:36] <soreau> broder: VT-x?
[20:36] <broder> hardware virtualization
[20:36] <soreau> So the easiest way is to just setup a ppa?
[20:36] <broder> dtchen: under binary translation, vmware uses memory segmentation to isolate the guest from accessing host memory, and x86_64 screwed up segmentation enough that they can't do it for 64-bit guests
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[20:39] <cjwatson> your choices are (a) have a 64-bit system already (b) get access to one (for this purpose, the PPA system is a convenient way to do that) (c) virtualise one somehow (d) cross-compile (a process which in principle is possible here but it will start with building an i386->amd64 cross-toolchain and then you'll have to experiment with tools and even then it might not work)