[03:04] <idlemind> anyone know the footprint of a stock 10.04 lts server?
[03:23] <Tohuw> I'm getting a constant sendbytes: nak bailout when booting into my 11.04 server, kernel is 2.6.8-11-server
[03:24] <Tohuw> This happens before any user login, right after booting the kernel out of GRUB
[03:29] <idlemind> sorry tohuw don't know what that error is
[03:52] <Tohuw> 2.6.28-11-server returns i2c i2c-2 sendbytes: NAK bailout on booting. It loops until system halt and prevents logging in even in single-user mode. What is this?
[04:17] <Durg> I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but I'll take a random stab at it; I've got a theoretical question for you guys - I've got a SaaS type service that moves data from one point to another; sometimes, that data is behind a VPN. I've got multiple clients on a single server, so plugging that entire box into the VPN isn't an ideal solution; do you guys think it'd be possible
[04:17] <Durg> to connect an external "worker box" to the VPN and then connect through that box via a proxy connection? Would that work or am I pounding sand?
[06:01] <e_t_> Durg: doesn't that just give you the same problem on the "worker box" ?
[07:43] <scubes13> is anyone using davical on ubuntu with Active Directory authentication?
[09:24] <Psi-Jack> Now, here's a curious topic. Anyone ever worked with puppet and/or chef for server automation?
[09:41] <zastaph> Psi-Jack I looked into them but they seemed horribly complex to setup for a process I just wanted to simplify
[09:41] <Psi-Jack> heh
[09:41] <zastaph> I use etckeeper for /etc and mercurial for ~ .. and then virtualbox snapshots and clones do the rest
[10:25] <macer1> Hello.
[10:26] <macer1> I wonder about the choice of OS on the server, between Gentoo and Ubuntu Server...
[10:27] <ersi> Depends on what you want, and how you want to do things.
[10:27] <ersi> Have you any experiance running any of your choices? Either pick the one your familar with and keep learning with that, or pick the other to get 'another view'
[10:28] <macer1> Hmm. Main think I don't like about Ubuntu Server is old software versions.
[10:30] <RoyK> macer1: ubuntu 11.04 has quite recent versions
[10:31] <macer1> I am now running and learning Gentoo on server, but oneiric will have some new cool server features, so I am considering that  :)
[10:31] <macer1> what is a version of nginx in 11.04?
[10:31] <RoyK> macer1: but then, even though 10.04 has oldish versions, it's supported until april 2015, so no need to spend hours on upgrading every too often
[10:33] <macer1> i natty there is 0.8.54
[10:33] <RoyK> macer1: for most servers, an oldish base install is what you _want_, since it's proven and stable
[10:34] <macer1> in oneiric 1.0.5...
[10:34] <macer1> but most nginx updates are bugfixes
[10:34] <RoyK> bugfixes are usually backported
[10:34] <RoyK> for supported packages
[10:35] <RoyK> but then, if you want to run package xyz from svn or git or something, just install it from source and not from apt
[10:35] <RoyK> that's what I do for certain packages
[10:36] <RoyK> either that, or make your own packages (usually the best if you have a bunch of servers needing that version of that package)
[10:36] <macer1> maybe private ppa?
[10:36] <RoyK> !ppa
[10:37] <macer1> Yes i know what is a PPA
[10:37] <RoyK> macer1: yeah, I have one for that purpose
[10:37] <RoyK> macer1: I'd forgotten what the acronym was for
[10:37] <macer1> ok ;)
[10:37] <ersi> macer1: Ubuntu is really not That far behind on software versions.
[10:38] <ersi> You have to understand that there's aspects of getting things working together, and providing a quality assurance filter
[10:38] <RoyK> ersi: if using LTS it tends to lag behind, which is normal
[10:38] <ersi> True. But it has it's own benefits
[10:38] <RoyK> !bug 27520
[10:38] <macer1> Gentoo has cool things to control package version. If Gentoo Team think that package is stable, it is in main. But there are always new software version witch you can unmask and have always new packages.
[10:39] <RoyK> that bug is a real PITA
[10:39] <macer1> for example there is rails 2.3 in main gentoo repo, but I can unmask 3.1 version and install it.
[10:43] <macer1> i am going away for a moment
[10:43] <ersi> macer1: I've ran Gentoo for more than two years on my personal desktop. I'd never run Gentoo in a production environment
[10:44] <ersi> Man, that question was sorta like asking how long a string is. It depends :) Go with your gut feeling
[10:55] <macer1> why not gentoo on production, ersi ?
[10:57] <ersi> A lot of factors really. It's hard to keep up with a rolling pace. I'm not hired to constantly upgrade stuff, test it in staging environments all day so I know I won't break everything when I upgrade trivial things. Besides, since we're doing enterprise software - we're keeping to Ubuntu, Red Hat and SuSE.
[10:58] <ersi> I'm not bashing on Gentoo. I'm just saying it doesn't suit our production envionment and our use requirements.
[10:58] <ersi> If it suits yours, go with that. If it doesn't, don't :)
[11:00] <macer1> I really like to have newest software :D becuase of that i am running oneiric on desktop now :D
[11:02] <ersi> IMHO desktop and server systems have different requirements
[11:02] <ersi> I like being up to date on my desktop systems as well
[11:07] <macer1> does ubuntu server have cool gentoo hardened feautures like grsecurity ?
[11:09] <ersi> That's really not a Gentoo feature.
[11:09] <macer1> not a gentoo feauture, but integrated into gentoo ;)
[11:09] <ersi> I don't know, I've never fiddled with that on Ubuntu. But searching a little seems to indicate that
[11:10] <ersi> Seems to be a package/meta package called harden and harden-environment, more than that I don't know
[11:10] <macer1> oh cool!
[11:11] <ersi> Hm, maybe there's some hints in the server guide
[11:11] <macer1> I will look for that
[11:11] <macer1> I think it is a good idea to run Gentoo on server for a month with nothing important there, some simple sites, and see if it don't break :D
[11:12] <ersi> Well, learning by doing is almost never wrong
[11:12] <ersi> So I say go for it. If it seems to suit you and it feels right
[11:13] <macer1> Thanks ;) I will keep Ubuntu for desktop, but I think Gentoo Hardened will be better server choice for me ;)
[11:13] <PKHG> Hi, I am just busy to to install UBUNTU on a virtual box ... where will GRUB be installed? on the REAL C:  or in the virtural box disk ??
[11:13] <macer1> If Gentoo will break I will look for Ubuntu Server :D
[11:13] <macer1> PKHG, in VirtualBox
[11:14] <PKHG> macerl, so I can safely say yes ...?? (terrified to loose my Vista)
[11:14] <macer1> Yes PKHG, now worries.
[11:14] <cloakable> PKHG: yes
[11:15] <PKHG> Thanks will believe and try ;-)
[11:15] <cloakable> Someone doesn't know how virtual machines work :P
[11:15] <macer1> everything you will do in VB will stay in VB :)
[11:15] <PKHG> ok ... necessary to know .. ;)
[11:26] <Dulcin> If I have not set a port to 'deny' in UFW, how secure is it / how does it work?
[11:30] <PKHG> macerl, Hi, now I get an VM error: I have to enable PAE mode, could you please tell me WHERE I can find that?
[11:33] <PKHG> some one else knows (and tells me ;-) ) to activate PAEmode in the virtual box?
[11:34] <macer1> PKHG, in VM settings
[11:35] <PKHG> yes it says Use General/Advanced, but I cannot recognize something like PAEmode ???
[11:35] <zastaph> ersi, about my ubuntu server master and openSSH .. before cloning I delete /etc/ssh/ssh_host_(dsa|rsa)(.pub) (4 files in total) ?
[11:36] <zastaph> i thought they were supposed to be in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[11:36] <ersi> zastaph: Yeah.
[11:36] <ersi> zastaph: No, that's YOUR ssh-keys
[11:36] <ersi> ssh_host keys are the "IDs" of the server
[11:37] <zastaph> and once i clone those 4 files will be generated when SSH starts?
[11:37] <ersi> Yupp!
[11:37] <macer1> PKHG, it must be there
[11:37] <PKHG> no checkbox for PAE ???
[11:37] <zastaph> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys says that keys must be generated on the client.. Previously I did it on Putty, so that's also how I should do it?
[11:38] <ersi> zastaph: You're confusing two different things
[11:38] <zastaph> probably :)
[11:38] <ersi> Usually when someone says SSH key, they mean the ssh authentication keys as in private/public key pair
[11:39] <ersi> When talking about the host (daemon/service) keys, it's more like a certificate
[11:39] <zastaph> so, can I use the same private/public key set for all my clones?
[11:39] <ersi> And if you change the host keys, on a system you use to connect to - it'll warn you that the identifier has changed. "WARNING, it doesn't have the same id as before! someone might have tampered with the machine!"
[11:39] <ersi> Yes, definately! :)
[11:40] <zastaph> and that's why private/public key sets are generated on the client
[11:40] <ersi> You could use the same SSH (client) keys on all machines in the world if you'd like. (Not recommended though, it's recommended to isolate privileges just in case)
[11:40] <PKHG> macerl, it is at a different place, found in System ;-)
[11:40] <PKHG> will see if Ubuntu will start now ...
[11:40] <ersi> zastaph: Indeed. But those need only to be generated once ;)
[11:41] <macer1> Yes, System/Processor ;)
[11:41] <macer1> I wanted to do screenshot now, but you found it ;)
[11:41] <PKHG> NOT General ... ha ha, THAT was mesleading ...
[11:42] <PKHG> yes thanks a lot ... (found via searching)
[11:43] <PKHG> oh now I got a kernel panic error ...
[11:44] <PKHG> wrong choice of running? (first time revovery mode needed?)
[11:46] <PKHG> cannot open sda1 ...
[11:46] <PKHG> or unknown blok
[11:47] <PKHG> will try later again ... bye (helpers!)
[11:47] <Dulcin> Hmm could someone here help me 1on1 with some Bind9 questions?
[13:00] <PKHG> Hallo once again me ;-) ,,, I succeeded to get a minimal Ubutu in a virtualbox , probably forgotton to get X11 like things, only a console with nearly no real program ..., is there a way to get  something really working?
[13:02] <PKHG> ;-(
[13:15] <zastaph> how would I copy the contents easily into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys that was generated on my windows host into my ubuntu server guest os? i didnt setup samba or anything
[13:15] <zastaph> i read about ssh-copy-id but i think thats from a linux client
[13:16] <zastaph> i can't copy paste into my vbox window for ubuntu server.. i think it needs gnome for that
[13:19] <Dulcin> right mouse button doesn't work?
[13:20] <Dulcin> for pasting?
[13:21] <zastaph> no, and actually on ubuntu desktop where it works i use middle button
[13:21] <zastaph> i tried changing bidirectional to host-to-guest only
[13:21] <zastaph> but no-go
[13:22] <zastaph> very hard to work with :)
[13:22] <zastaph> i also tried with guest additions installed
[13:28] <jmarsden> zastaph: You can use an ssh client on Windows to copy the file into the VM.  In Putty the command is pscp
[13:29] <zastaph> even before I setup the public key on server?
[13:30] <jmarsden> More generally, for a server VM, do not use the VirtualBox console, just ssh in using your favourite ssh program in the host, and cut and paste (in the host OS) to and from that.
[13:30] <jmarsden> zastaph: Sure, use password authentication until you have the key up there.
[13:31] <zastaph> hmm then I need to read up on that first :) but I think i disabled that in ssh config
[13:31] <jmarsden> Don't disable password auth until you have the public key on the server, that's... like locking yourself out of your own house :)
[13:31] <zastaph> nah coz I can vbox
[13:32] <jmarsden> OK, so use vbox to re-enable password auth, and go from there.
[13:35] <zastaph> http://superuser.com/questions/195436/ubuntu-server-vm-copy-paste
[13:39] <zastaph> hmm starting ssh didn't re-generate the 4 RSA/DSA keys in /etc/ssh as I thought it would
[13:39] <ikonia> the keys are not generated every restart
[13:40] <zastaph> so i hope it will do it whenever it needs them
[13:41] <zastaph> ssh isn't simple :)
[13:42] <cloakable> zastaph: sudo dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server ?
[13:43] <zastaph> well i backed them up.. just ersi said I should delete them before cloning my VM
[13:43] <zastaph> dont want to reconfigure thatll probably overwrite my ssh config too
[13:44] <cloakable> yea
[13:46] <zastaph> so, should I keep them? is it important that they differ on each clone?
[14:53] <CluelessPerson> hey all :D
[14:53] <CluelessPerson> I've been thinking about a mail server for awhile.
[14:53] <CluelessPerson> What would be the best mail server to use?  In your humble opinions?
[14:57] <zastaph> CluelessPerson, I would use an exchange alternative like zimbra or zarafa
[15:28] <RoyK> guys, girls, you should buy CDs and not download them. Piracy kills people! "Insurers Suggest Podium & Stage Collapse Tragedies Are The Inevitable Result Of File Sharing?" http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110916/12183515986/
[16:01] <zastaph> am installing http://www.mongodb.org/display/DOCS/Ubuntu+and+Debian+packages and it asks me if I'm on a Debianoid with SysV or Upstart .. I use 6.x (Squeeze)
[16:01] <zastaph> duh, no I don't .. I use Ubuntu :)
[16:01] <zastaph> but which do I choose?
[16:02] <zastaph> ah ok it says recent Ubuntus use Upstart.. can you confirm this for 10.04 LTS ?
[16:36] <jeeves_moss> is there a way to convert in place a raidz-2 to a standard raidz in ZFS?
[18:08] <Daviey> smoser: seen http://pb.daviey.com/yuwe/ before?
[18:32] <dominicdinada> how to reboot a server remotely into tty and maintain network connection :/
[18:36] <qman__> you can't keep a connection through a reboot
[18:36] <qman__> a reboot by definition restarts the whole system
[18:38] <qman__> the only way to remain connected to the server through a reboot is to use an external device to administer it, like an IP KVM, or a modem to a serial connection
[18:40] <DrNick__> http://www.frexx.de/
[18:48] <ikonia> DrNick__: any reason to post that ?
[18:49] <DrNick__> i just found it amusing
[18:49] <ikonia> please don't post it then, this channels for ubuntu server discussion
[18:51] <DrNick__> appologies.  a rare moment of stupidity.
[18:51] <logo> hy
[18:51] <logo> how are u
[18:52] <ikonia> DrNick__: not a big deal at all.
[19:16] <logo> hy whats up
[19:48] <HelloWorld321> What is the lifecylce of a derby database?  I'm using derby in a java ee6 tutorial and when I run it, I see database creates, drops, alters, etc., but when I try to connect it always says "Database not found".  Is there a way to browse the active databases?
[20:57] <HelloWorld321> The tutorial is using jdbc:derby:memory, and that seems to basically decimate the lifecycle of my database
[22:07] <tarvid> I created a VM with testdrive, How can I control it through kvm or qemu?
[22:09] <tarvid> virsh - list comes up empty
[22:37] <scubes13> I am stuck… trying to install calendarserver (DCS) on Ubuntu 10.04 - get the following errors: http://pastebin.com/zuMvMd7P
[22:37] <scubes13> following the steps here: http://www.dreness.com/blog/?p=153
[22:37] <scubes13> replacing: svn co http://svn.macosforge.org/repository/calendarserver/CalendarServer/trunk CalendarServer
[22:37] <scubes13> with: svn co http://svn.macosforge.org/repository/calendarserver/CalendarServer/tags/release/CalendarServer-3.0 CalendarServer
[22:37] <scubes13> anyone have any thoughts?
[22:38] <scubes13> (had also tried with trunk… originally received the same error with trunk)