[05:57] <czajkowski> morning
[06:06] <MartijnVdS> \o
[06:07]  * MartijnVdS prepares for a 10 mile run today (http://damloop.nl/)
[06:11] <czajkowski> watching england play for rwc
[07:27] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:28] <czajkowski> morning
[07:29] <AlanBell> watching them play with odd shaped balls again?
[07:29] <czajkowski> yes
[07:29] <czajkowski> and you're winning in case you wondered
[07:30] <czajkowski> I'm sure the lord is very happy this morning
[08:19] <geekMePlease> I am upgrading to 11.10 beta. It has been about 30min in "cups: stopping...starting..." and not going forward
[08:19] <geekMePlease> * I have another TTY open with google-chrome there.
[08:21] <geekMePlease> * it should not take that much, since it is only a printing server
[08:21] <geekMePlease> * I do not know what comes after cups. Can I stop the installation process there, seems to be rather at the end.
[08:31] <AlanBell> geekMePlease: I would leave it a few hours rather than interrupt it
[08:32] <AlanBell> or nuke it and reinstall
[08:32] <czajkowski> and at this time of the morning help can be a bit slow
[08:32] <czajkowski> be patien
[08:32] <czajkowski> *patient
[08:34] <geekMePlease> AlanBell: I will do it.
[09:03] <geekMePlease> How can you monitor what the Ubuntu 11.10 installation -process does?
[09:03] <geekMePlease> * need to monitor it from different tty, since cannot stop the current process
[09:07] <nperry> try tailing the log; tail /var/log/apt/term.log
[09:19] <geekMePlease> nperry: The log is ended 17/9/2011 18:30:01 so it has not make log entries for long time.
[09:19] <nperry> you are using apt-get right?
[09:22] <scoundrel50a> hi, I got a lenovo G550-6 laptop with Ubuntu 11.04 and 11.10 partitioned.....I am in the 11.10 partition trying to set it up how I like it as it installing a few things that I want like Google Chrome, but I am having a problem installing it.....I have the right .deb package, but I keep getting this error once Ubuntu Software opens to begin the installation, the there is an internal error, the file "/home/me/Downloads/google-chrome-stable_c
[09:22] <scoundrel50a> urrent.deb" could not be opened....anybody know why that is happening?
[09:23] <popey> scoundrel50a: did you close your browser?
[09:23] <popey> oh, hang on, ignore that
[09:23] <scoundrel50a> yes once the .deb package was downloaded
[09:23] <scoundrel50a> baring in mind this is 11.10
[09:24] <scoundrel50a> It had no problems installing into 11.04
[09:25] <popey> i installed it on 11.10 last night
[09:25] <popey> but I didnt use software centre
[09:26] <scoundrel50a> well, I went to the GC page to download, then once it downloadedthe installer, when you click on the it oopenes the software centre to install it
[09:26] <scoundrel50a> so how did you do it without it opening the software centre
[09:26] <popey> open a terminal
[09:26] <scoundrel50a> ah
[09:26] <scoundrel50a> ok, what command
[09:26] <popey> cd ~/Downloads
[09:27] <popey> sudo dpkg -i google-chrome-stable_current.deb
[09:27] <popey> sudo apt-get -f install
[09:27] <popey> job done.
[09:27] <scoundrel50a> ah, ok, will give that a go, thank you
[09:33] <nperry> I like the alt+tab in unity!
[09:33] <scoundrel50a> ok, iot says I have a dependancy problem, and it wont install
[09:33] <nperry> Run the sudo apt-get -f install
[09:33] <popey> scoundrel50a: run the second command I gave you
[09:34] <scoundrel50a> ah
[09:34] <scoundrel50a> its running now
[09:36] <scoundrel50a> yay, it worked, would you suggest installing all .deb packages via the terminal like that
[09:36] <popey> no
[09:36] <popey> it's just the way I did it, and I know it worked
[09:37] <scoundrel50a> ok, thank you brilliant
[09:38] <nperry> popey: re your last tweet last night. Have you tried for example steam under wine using nouveau. Last time I tried it was awful!
[09:38] <popey> no ☺
[09:38] <popey> i am on nouveau atm
[09:38] <popey> nvidia just wont work
[09:47] <geekMePlease> nperry: I am using sudo do-realease-upgrade -d, so probably apt-get if the given app uses it
[10:04] <AlanBell> geekMePlease: you might be at the reboot and hope stage now
[10:05] <popey> i wouldnt reboot
[10:05] <popey> I'd kill it and do sudo dpkg --configure -a
[10:05] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:47] <geekMePlease> popey: I get the following error in running sudo dpkg --configure -a: dpkg: error: dpkg status database is locked by another process
[11:48] <geekMePlease> ok, I need to remove only a lock -file
[12:14] <geekMePlease> popey: I get erros in configuring: mountal, inittramfs-tools and ucf, for instance
[12:15] <geekMePlease> popey: Dependency problems
[12:17] <geekMePlease> * initscripts, plymouth, sysv-rc, libcairo2, upstart, libpaper1, libgail-common, libgs9, ghostscript-x, libfontconfig1, ifupdown, libgail18, gtk2-engines-pixbuf, libpam0g, plymouth-label, initscripts and module-init-tools
[12:18] <geekMePlease> popey: Up.
[12:18] <geekMePlease> It left the given packages unconfiguresd. Should I do force configuration. May break the whole system.
[12:35] <popey> geekMePlease: interesting
[12:35] <popey> geekMePlease: does sudo apt-get -f install
[12:35] <popey> does that work?
[12:44] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[12:44] <pr0ph3t> long time no speak
[12:44] <popey> hello
[12:44] <popey> hows your sunday?
[12:45] <pr0ph3t> hey popey
[12:45] <pr0ph3t> just chillin
[12:45] <pr0ph3t> how's yours
[12:45] <popey> wise
[12:45] <popey> same :D
[12:46] <pr0ph3t> actually fiddling with gnome-shell
[12:46] <pr0ph3t> on 11.10
[12:46] <popey> working out okay?
[12:47] <pr0ph3t> it looks interesting
[12:47] <pr0ph3t> quite fast
[12:47] <bigcalm_lappy486> Is it possible to keep gnome 2 when moving to 11.10?
[12:48] <gord> nope, unless you mean gnome-panel, then yeah you could set that up
[12:48] <geekMePlease> popey: I have the same problem as in the bug #260319
[12:49] <pr0ph3t> why would you want to keep gnome2 bigcalm_lappy486?
[12:49] <geekMePlease> popey: or #34946
[12:49] <pr0ph3t> to run it on that laptop? :P
[12:50] <geekMePlease> popey: s/#34946/#349469/
[12:51] <bigcalm_lappy486> pr0ph3t: because I don't want unity or gnome3
[12:52] <geekMePlease> popey: Managed to fix the problem by running first sudo rm -rf /var/cache/debconf/*
[12:53] <pr0ph3t> I wasn't impressed by unity, but I find gnome-shell kinda captivating for me
[12:54] <pr0ph3t> has anyone else been using it?
[12:54] <popey> bigcalm_lappy486: there is a fallback mode for gnome 3 in 11.10
[12:54] <popey> which is like gnome 2 2-panel
[12:55] <pr0ph3t> although I used to like the gnome panel on top and cairo dock at the bottom, all personalised
[12:55] <bigcalm_lappy486> popey: ah, ok
[12:55] <Laney> where did the option to turn off the login sound go?
[12:57] <popey> remove ubuntu-sounds package? :D
[12:58] <bigcalm_lappy486> Change it to be the sound of silence?
[12:58] <popey> bug 349469
[13:01]  * popey tickles Laney with bug 853098
[13:01] <Laney> yeah people are looking at that
[13:02] <popey> also
[13:02] <popey> why do we have an Ubuntu One option for sync which doesnt work
[13:02] <popey> it says 'already registered' but sync fails
[13:02] <AlanBell> will the P cycle be more stable from the start?
[13:02] <Laney> the U1 patches aren't my fault :(
[13:02] <popey> ☹
[13:03]  * Laney runs off crying like a girl
[13:03]  * popey cuddles Laney 
[13:03]  * popey wonders if P will be based on debian testing again
[13:03] <Laney> but yeh, people are supposedly fixing those particular broken things
[13:04]  * Laney hopes we always base on testing
[13:04] <AlanBell> it would be nice to have the thing remotely testable before freezes start happening
[13:07] <Laney> such is the life with a 6-month cycle :(
[13:07] <Laney> maybe I'll land this libproxy and break things some more (H)
[13:14] <theAnimal-ZA> hello all
[13:16] <pr0ph3t> I dont understand this gnome shell
[13:19] <pr0ph3t> what do you call the menu under the title bar, with File Edit etc?
[13:20] <pr0ph3t> the one that in Unity is transferred to the top panel
[13:39] <pr0ph3t> re all
[13:40] <pr0ph3t> flash player keeps using the standard output instead of the hdmi output like the rest of the system does
[13:41] <pr0ph3t> i'm talking about sound, any of you had the same problem with 11.10?
[13:44] <penguin42> pa seems a little touchy on 11.10 for me
[15:21] <geekMePlease> How can you make USB-stick with has booting Ubuntu in Terminal?
[15:21] <geekMePlease> * I have X60, no CD drive and my current Ubuntu works only in Recovery mode
[15:31] <MartijnVdS> it should be possible
[16:02] <Lcawte> Need more release partys :P
[16:02]  * MartijnVdS is a bit tired after that 10 mile run
[16:39] <kvarley> My whole ubuntu partition is set to read-only, how can I find that? :( Chown doesn't work
[17:49] <brobostigon> live-build.debian.net, what does that use, to build debian images?
[17:55] <scoundrel50a> ok, I have a lenovoG550-6 laptop with Ubuntu 11.04 and 11.10 preinstalled on a partition. So far things are ok with the 11.04 partition, it seems stable enough, but 11.10 is not stable at all, with things forcibly stopping all the time. One of the big things is, I have no reboot option on the drop down menu, there is no option to reboot anywhere.....is that a 11.10 thing, or is it a bug?
[17:56] <penguin42> scoundrel50a: If you choose the 'shutdown' option it gives you the choice to shutdown or restart
[17:57] <penguin42> (IMHO not very obvious)
[17:57] <scoundrel50a> nope no option to restart
[17:58] <penguin42> scoundrel50a: So you have at the top right an on/off symbol with a gear, click the shutdown option and you get a dialog box? What does it say?
[17:59] <scoundrel50a> it says lock screen, log out, suspend, hybernate and shut down
[17:59] <scoundrel50a> and if I choose the log out and try to reboot that way, it still has no reboot option
[17:59] <penguin42> scoundrel50a: No, choose the shutdown option
[17:59] <scoundrel50a> yes, and it onoy gives option to shut down
[18:00] <daubers> scoundrel50a: Far left of the dialog that brings up
[18:00] <penguin42> scoundrel50a: Oh, for me if I choose the Shutdown option I get a dialog that says 'Are you sure you want to close all programs and shut down the computer?' and the buttons are restart, cancel, shutdown
[18:00] <scoundrel50a> ok, will take a look one sec,
[18:01] <scoundrel50a> ah
[18:01] <scoundrel50a> I see
[18:01] <scoundrel50a> dint see that
[18:01] <scoundrel50a> bit roundabout
[18:01] <scoundrel50a> thank you
[18:01] <penguin42> no problem
[18:01] <penguin42> scoundrel50a: Now, if you can find where my shutdown button went on KDE .....
[18:02] <scoundrel50a> ah, I am just getting ued to this, if I try to install KDE I'll be completely lost, I have to say, i do like 11.10 better than 11.04
[18:02] <daubers> penguin42: It's in the terminal under "sudo halt" :)
[18:03] <penguin42> scoundrel50a: can you say why?
[18:03] <penguin42> daubers: oh, not the big button on the front?
[18:03] <daubers> penguin42: Or that
[18:03] <scoundrel50a> it doesnt say why, it just says something has forcibley closed.....
[18:03] <penguin42> actually, that might work - not tried it...
[18:04] <scoundrel50a> brb, need to log off, and reboot into 11.04 a sec
[18:07]  * popey tickles marxjohnson 
[18:07] <marxjohnson> yo yo sup
[18:08] <marxjohnson> or something
[18:08] <popey> Indeed.
[18:08]  * daubers takes a crash course in web design
[18:08] <daubers> 1) Animated gifs are good
[18:08] <daubers> 2) <marquee> is teh best tag eva
[18:09] <daubers> 3) See 2)
[18:09]  * marxjohnson explodes
[18:09] <daubers> \o/
[18:09] <daubers> That was a significant part of my GNVQ in ICT if I recall correctly
[18:10]  * daubers goes to watch Doctor Who 
[18:10] <marxjohnson> Ah, ICT. What a subject
[18:11] <scoundrel50a> back...ok, in Ubuntu 11.04 you have the option in the bar at the side to open applications and files and folders, but in 11.10 those options are not there, is that just in mine or is that 11.10
[18:12] <AlanBell> I think you want the files lens
[18:12] <scoundrel50a> is that what they are called?
[18:13] <scoundrel50a> a lense?
[18:13] <scoundrel50a> if possible I would like them both back, makes things easier, and if so how do I get them back?
[18:15] <scoundrel50a> also, is there only 4 desktops allowed or can you get more, and is there a instuction manual for 11.04 anywhere?
[18:22] <scoundrel50a> does anybody have any ideas?
[18:22] <Azelphur> scoundrel50a: I believe you can have up to 32*32 desktops
[18:23] <Azelphur> but if your using desktop cube it gets knocked down to 32 :)
[18:23] <Azelphur> scoundrel50a: you should install ccsm from the software centre, it has all the gui tweaky buttons you could ever want
[18:27] <scoundrel50a> oh ok, will have a look
[18:27] <scoundrel50a> how do you add the desktops though, I cant find anywhere to do it
[18:28] <scoundrel50a> plus will that program give me my Applications and Files & Folders things back in the left panel in 11.10
[18:28] <Azelphur> no, that's a unity thing but I don't use unity so don't really know about it
[18:29] <scoundrel50a> is there a manual for Natty and 11.10?
[18:29] <Azelphur> I doubt there's much of anything for 11.10, it hasn't even hit alpha yet
[18:29] <Azelphur> !ubuntu+1 | scoundrel50a
[18:29] <scoundrel50a> oh, I thought it was in beta?
[18:30] <Azelphur> maybe I'm a bit behind :p
[18:30] <Azelphur> ah, Beta 1 today
[18:31] <popey> uh, no
[18:32] <popey> beta 1 was over 2 weeks ago
[18:32] <popey> scoundrel50a: as Azelphur says, compizconfig-settings-manager is quite good for tweaking GUI options
[18:32] <Azelphur> and that was me reading the release schedule table wrong :D
[18:32] <popey> hehe
[18:32] <Azelphur> week 18, not 18th september \o/
[18:32] <popey> i went for the date stamps on the files in releases.ubuntu.com :D
[18:32] <popey> planned vs actual
[18:33] <Azelphur> :)
[18:33] <scoundrel50a> um, just installed it, but cant find it, where do I find ccsm
[18:33] <Azelphur> scoundrel50a: you can just hit the button in the top left and type ccsm
[18:34] <popey> I hit the windows button and then type "com", it shows up in the list
[18:34] <scoundrel50a> ah, clever
[18:35] <scoundrel50a> thank you
[18:35]  * Azelphur has a fun UI which involves no window decorations, mouse gestures, cairo-dock and gnome-do
[18:38] <scoundrel50a> how do I add desktops?
[18:38] <Azelphur> scoundrel50a: in ccsm, in the general tab, check out the desktop size tab
[18:38] <Azelphur> scoundrel50a: are you using desktop cube or wall?
[18:39] <scoundrel50a> wall
[18:39] <Azelphur> scoundrel50a: so yea, increase horizontal/vertical accordingly :)
[18:40] <popey> i see no such option
[18:40] <scoundrel50a> Desktop size, yeh?
[18:41] <Azelphur> ccsm > general options > desktop size > horizontal/vertical size
[18:41] <Azelphur> :D
[18:41] <popey> oh,
[18:41] <scoundrel50a> brilliant
[18:41] <scoundrel50a> thank you
[18:41] <popey> sorry, looking in the wrong place
[18:45] <scoundrel50a> how do you take a picture of your desktop, I got the vid option, but cant work out just the picture
[18:48] <penguin42> hit print-screen
[18:49] <scoundrel50a> ah, just found the button, I thought there was a button to add for print screen
[18:50] <scoundrel50a> that was on 10.10
[18:50] <scoundrel50a> just added some more desktops, that looks odd now, like a fly with loads of eyes
[18:55] <HazRPG> I don't get why this isn't working :( http://pastebin.com/RmiRFGja (its a chrome extension I'm trying to do)
[19:05] <gord> two factor gmail stuff is weird... sometimes i have to do it, sometimes i don't
[20:22] <daubers> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/16/uk_school_it_curriculum_trials_teaching_students_to_code/ <- Finally
[20:23] <mgdm> \o/
[20:40] <daubers> I did 6th form at Park House
[20:41] <Myrtti> I'd be happy if the kids here would get even rudimentary skills in spreadsheets
[20:51] <daubers> Anyone have a spider oak code? If I'm signing up might as well give someone some more space
[20:52] <mgdm> Never heard of it, myself
[20:52] <daubers> 's like dropbox or U1
[20:53]  * daubers clicks the button
[20:56] <Myrtti> I have one
[20:57] <Myrtti> doh
[20:57] <daubers> heh :) Never mind
[20:57] <Myrtti> :-<
[20:57] <Myrtti> oh well
[20:57] <Azelphur> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Open-Sesame.aspx :D
[23:23] <john__> JDmaX