[13:56] good morning [14:06] Good morning [14:07] I will be running destkop tests today [14:32] ok [14:32] will do alternate test [15:16] any particular test you want me to do charlie-tca ? [15:17] all or as many as you can. [15:17] doing free software whit encrypted /home then :D two for the price of one! [15:17] I would like to get all the tests covered between yesterday and today [15:18] oh! and i will also do autoresize in the same test! 3 for the price of 1! :D [15:46] ooookay [15:47] i figured out why yesterday shotdown happened, somehow power shutdown for just half a second [15:48] in my whole house, and my nephew's [15:50] so yeah [15:51] Yeah, that's usually enough here to throw my computers off [15:51] yep [15:51] restarting tests [15:52] You running VirtualBox, right? [15:52] WOW! new plymouth screens are amazing! [15:53] They are working on my hardware too [16:42] im getting an error while partitioning [16:43] which image? [16:43] alternate [16:43] is that the convoluted test you are trying to make work? [16:43] http://imagebin.org/172970 [16:43] yes [16:43] :P [16:44] i should restart whit standard install? [16:45] yeah, going to have to try each one and see if one thing causes it. might be the encrypted /home [16:45] which requires /swap to encrypt too [16:45] but anyway so far i just did, only free software, and auto rezise, the virtual disk already has 2 partitions of oneiric and swap [16:45] doing an auto-resize leaves an unencrypted swap [16:45] i never said to encrypt the disk to it [16:46] :/ [16:46] hm, I wonder if free software and encrypted home are compatible? [16:46] the encrypted home may require non-free software [16:47] How big is the virtual disk? [16:48] 25gb [16:48] it did it, it just took time [16:48] :D [16:49] so it is working now? [16:51] yes [16:51] :) [16:51] i overreacted [16:51] :) [16:51] Yeah, I do that sometimes... get tired of waiting :) [17:20] Software Center crashes when you open it in Xubuntu [17:22] and, we still don't have any header text when choosing "Install Xubuntu" from the desktop cd menu [17:27] astraljava: bug 841365 appears to be fixed. The slider is between the shown partitions now. [17:27] Launchpad bug 841365 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "No divider for space allocation in Xubuntu oneiric "alongside" installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/841365 [17:27] (at least on 64bit hardware installs) [17:33] It is very difficult to get the arrow to show up, but it can be done [17:34] what arrow? [17:35] When you hover the mouse between the existing and proposed partitions, it should change to an arrow, to allow resizing the partitions [17:35] It has to be right on the divider, though [17:35] oh, that sort of things happen a lot whit linux [17:35] seems to be about a single pixel to hit [17:35] yes [17:36] Yeah, OS of the young and steady hand [17:36] that is, i get very frustrated all the time i want to resize a windows, my mouse aint very presize at that, :/ [17:36] Which is why I keep going back to clearlooks themes, the scroll bar is wide enough for me to see and hit [17:36] :P [17:37] even the window edges are easier in clearlooks [17:37] It must use two or three pixels for the target [17:38] that sounds razonable [17:39] So much easier than the 1 pixel target! [17:39] indeed [17:39] :D my lasagna is already in oven :D [17:40] charlie-tca: Excellent, I'll check myself later tonight. [17:42] I just ate lunch here [17:57] mmm detecto solo un sistema operati... lol xD [17:57] it detected just one of the OS [17:57] it should have 2 other installs of oneiric, lets see how it shows when it reboots [17:58] yup [17:58] They are all oneiric, it detects oneiric, but sees all installs of it [17:58] yes [17:58] 2 other installs on grub [17:59] PINK [18:00] must be 386 [18:01] how to check free software? [18:01] i don't seem to be missing anything, it looks like any other install [18:01] same background, same theme (greybird), same programs [18:03] GridCube: http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/AlternateFree start at step 25 [18:04] That's the "how to " reference in the top of the spreadsheet ? [18:04] well food time, will do later [18:04] Okeydokey [18:18] umm...meeting tomorrow, right? [18:18] right [18:19] monday at 19:00 === ChanServ changed the topic of #xubuntu-devel to: Xubuntu Development | Oneiric Ocelot Feature Freeze in effect | #xubuntu for support | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | Xubuntu Community meeting 2011-09-19 at 19:00 UTC | Oneiric Ocelot images at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ [18:22] micahg: bluetooth no longer shows in the menu in Oneiric [18:22] charlie-tca: :( [18:22] Is that because it doesn't detect any devices, or because we have to add blueman? [18:23] possibly because no devices are detected, let me upgrade my machine with bluetooth [18:23] okay [18:54] okay, so freesoftware failed [18:58] www.pastebin.com/DSwwxwp4 [19:00] no, they are still commented [19:00] oh [19:00] so it worked? [19:01] dpkg -l linux-restricted-* | grep -vE "^[a-z]n|D|\||+++|===" [19:01] returned an empty prompt, so it worked [19:02] yes [19:02] ok [19:02] :) [19:02] 3 tests done then :D [19:03] free software, encrypted /home, autoresize [19:03] if it uncomments multiverse or returns anything, it would be fail [19:04] :) ok [19:06] That's one of the hardest tests to check if it passes [19:08] what tests you need help now? [19:09] Olbi: can you do 64bit? [19:09] Want to get the alternate 64 tests done if possible [19:09] ok, so download now alternate CD [19:09] oh there is no plymouth at boot [19:10] not in VBox [19:10] :( [19:11] but there is on hardware :) [20:31] GridCube: charlie-tca: latest software center seems to have fixed bug 852835 [20:31] Launchpad bug 852835 in software-center (Ubuntu) "software-center crashed with TypeError in _parse_menu_tag(): 'NoneType' object is not iterable" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/852835 [20:31] Has not fixed it on any install today [20:32] even after updates, it still crashes [20:32] I just tried with software-center before and after 4.1.23.3, before I got a crash, after not [20:33] What ever the one in updates is today, it crashed every install I did. I installed, ran updates, restarted, tried to run software center. [20:33] all hardware installs [20:34] Did they release a new version in the last two hours? [20:34] ah ,just got a crash when I tried a different piece of software [20:34] It's been crashing here just trying to start it [20:34] this is a different one though (dbus) [20:35] oh, hmm, well, I have some gnome libs on this one, maybe it's missing a dependency [20:35] mmhm [20:35] its trying to run in gtk3 mode [20:37] shouldn't be a problem, we ship GTK3 [20:38] oh well [20:39] * GridCube just helped on #xubuntu-es to an ipod user on xubuntu, install ifuse, mount whit gigolo, manage whit rythmbox [20:39] good job [20:39] !cookie | GridCube [20:39] GridCube: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! [20:40] hehehe :D [20:40] !msg the bot | :P [20:40] :P: Please investigate with me only with "/msg ubottu Bot" or in #ubuntu-bots. Search for factoids with "/msg ubottu !search factoid". [20:42] charlie-tca: I still see the bluetooth menu under settings on machines w/and w/out bluetooth [20:43] weird, i do not. [20:44] I don't have it here on any installs done today, live session, and the the install I been using since alpha1 [20:45] bluetooth is still installed/available, but it is not in the menus [20:46] updating to 4.1.23.3 does not solve the software-center problem [20:46] * charlie-tca thinks this is micahg's day to be perturbed [20:47] :D [20:47] * micahg doesn't want to be perturbed today...will be a long week as it is [20:47] Sorry, sir [20:48] wishing I could fix these things, though. [20:48] * charlie-tca knows sometimes wishing makes it happen, but it is so seldom! [20:48] these are also systems that have been upgraded a few releases, so there might be left overs on them [20:48] That is true [20:49] I copy the existing system and upgrade each release, so I get a pretty new system every year [20:49] I said that wrong [20:50] When Oneiric releases, I will do a fresh install on a new partition, copy /home, then upgrade at alpha1 to P [20:56] super, plymount work only when I shutdown system :P [20:56] :D [20:56] it does that! [20:56] madnick work is excelent :) [21:31] Recently, a couple of important packages have been released again. This has already much improved the quality of the Dutch translations of Xubuntu 11.10 Oneiric, which is great! Thank you, developers! [21:31] However, the job isn't entirely done yet. Some important packages still have the bad old translation. [21:32] mr_pouit: Do you know which Xfce packages are still waiting to be released? [21:38] Another problem, not Xfce-related this time: lightdm. This is still 100 % English in Xubuntu 11.10. Upstream the translation has been finished by the Dutch Ubuntu translators: https://translations.launchpad.net/lightdm/ [21:38] It's an important package for localization, because it's very conspicuous. Is there any chance that the Dutch translation will be issued to Xubuntu 11.10? [21:39] Pjotr: you have to talk to the desktop team about that [21:39] micahg: concerning lightdm you mean? [21:40] Pjotr: yes [21:40] OK... Where can I reach them on IRC? [21:40] Pjotr: #ubuntu-desktop, robert_ancell should be coming online in a few hours [21:41] Thanks, I'll do that. :-) [21:42] Meanwhile, I hope that someone here can tell me the answer to my first question, concerning the Xfce packages... :P [21:43] Polish translations is done for lightdm .... [21:43] Pjotr: I just pull in whatever Debian packages (assuming it's not going to break stuff) [21:44] hey there [21:44] Pjotr: I think xfce4-panel, thunar and xfwm4 are still waiting to be released (need more testing afaik) [21:45] mr_pouit: OK.... will they be in time for Xubuntu 11.10 final, you think? [21:46] final freeze is a week and a half (sep 29) [21:47] still some time left, then.... we'll see. :-) [21:48] I asked Nick about some Goodies as well, notably xfce4-power-manager [21:49] Do you know anything about that, or should I contact Nick? === GridCube is now known as hashrate === hashrate is now known as GridCube [22:36] well im bored im gonna go do something [22:36] good evening, and good night, and i will see you again, hopefully tomorrow for the meeting [22:36] if not then in a few days XD [23:21] mr_pouit: bug 845549 Will not be fixed. robert_ancell has no idea how to make lightdm work without out, and the suggestion is we have to replace it instead of the way we are doing it now. [23:21] Launchpad bug 845549 in lightdm (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Do not ship /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/845549 [23:23] mr_pouit: and when replacing it, do not lose any pre-set defaults or it will fail [23:24] basically, it will be up to us to figure out how to actually make lightdm work our way. [23:29] robert is open to suggestions and patches to make it actually work