[13:56] <GridCube> good morning
[14:06] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:07] <charlie-tca> I will be running destkop tests today
[14:32] <GridCube> ok
[14:32] <GridCube> will do alternate test
[15:16] <GridCube> any particular test you want me to do charlie-tca ?
[15:17] <charlie-tca> all or as many as you can.
[15:17] <GridCube> doing free software whit encrypted /home then :D two for the price of one!
[15:17] <charlie-tca> I would like to get all the tests covered between yesterday and today
[15:18] <GridCube> oh! and i will also do autoresize in the same test! 3 for the price of 1! :D
[15:46] <GridCube> ooookay
[15:47] <GridCube> i figured out why yesterday shotdown happened, somehow power shutdown for just half a second 
[15:48] <GridCube> in my whole house, and my nephew's
[15:50] <GridCube> so yeah
[15:51] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that's usually enough here to throw my computers off
[15:51] <GridCube> yep
[15:51] <GridCube> restarting tests
[15:52] <charlie-tca> You running VirtualBox, right?
[15:52] <charlie-tca> WOW! new plymouth screens are amazing!
[15:53] <charlie-tca> They are working on my hardware too
[16:42] <GridCube> im getting an error while partitioning
[16:43] <charlie-tca> which image?
[16:43] <GridCube> alternate
[16:43] <charlie-tca> is that the convoluted test you are trying to make work?
[16:43] <GridCube> http://imagebin.org/172970
[16:43] <GridCube> yes
[16:43] <GridCube> :P
[16:44] <GridCube> i should restart whit standard install?
[16:45] <charlie-tca> yeah, going to have to try each one and see if one thing causes it. might be the encrypted /home
[16:45] <charlie-tca> which requires /swap to encrypt too
[16:45] <GridCube> but anyway so far i just did, only free software, and auto rezise, the virtual disk already has 2 partitions of oneiric and swap
[16:45] <charlie-tca> doing an auto-resize leaves an unencrypted swap
[16:45] <GridCube> i never said to encrypt the disk to it
[16:46] <GridCube> :/
[16:46] <charlie-tca> hm, I wonder if free software and encrypted home are compatible?
[16:46] <charlie-tca> the encrypted home may require non-free software
[16:47] <charlie-tca> How big is the virtual disk?
[16:48] <GridCube> 25gb
[16:48] <GridCube> it did it, it just took time 
[16:48] <GridCube> :D
[16:49] <charlie-tca> so it is working now?
[16:51] <GridCube> yes
[16:51] <GridCube> :)
[16:51] <GridCube> i overreacted
[16:51] <charlie-tca> :)
[16:51] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I do that sometimes... get tired of waiting :)
[17:20] <charlie-tca> Software Center crashes when you open it in Xubuntu
[17:22] <charlie-tca> and, we still don't have any header text when choosing "Install Xubuntu"  from the desktop cd menu
[17:27] <charlie-tca> astraljava: bug 841365 appears to be fixed. The slider is between the shown partitions now.
[17:27] <charlie-tca> (at least on 64bit hardware installs)
[17:33] <charlie-tca> It is very difficult to get the arrow to show up, but it can be done
[17:34] <GridCube> what arrow?
[17:35] <charlie-tca> When you hover the mouse between the existing and proposed partitions, it should change to an arrow, to allow resizing the partitions
[17:35] <charlie-tca> It has to be right on the divider, though
[17:35] <GridCube> oh, that sort of things happen a lot whit linux
[17:35] <charlie-tca> seems to be about a single pixel to hit
[17:35] <GridCube> yes
[17:36] <charlie-tca> Yeah, OS of the young and steady hand
[17:36] <GridCube> that is, i get very frustrated all the time i want to resize a windows, my mouse aint very presize at that, :/
[17:36] <charlie-tca> Which is why I keep going back to clearlooks themes, the scroll bar is wide enough for me to see and hit
[17:36] <GridCube> :P
[17:37] <charlie-tca> even the window edges are easier in clearlooks
[17:37] <charlie-tca> It must use two or three pixels for the target
[17:38] <GridCube> that sounds razonable
[17:39] <charlie-tca> So much easier than the 1 pixel target!
[17:39] <GridCube> indeed 
[17:39] <GridCube> :D my lasagna is already in oven :D
[17:40] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Excellent, I'll check myself later tonight.
[17:42] <charlie-tca> I just ate lunch here
[17:57] <GridCube> mmm detecto solo un sistema operati... lol xD 
[17:57] <GridCube> it detected just one of the OS
[17:57] <GridCube> it should have 2 other installs of oneiric, lets see how it shows when it reboots
[17:58] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:58] <charlie-tca> They are all oneiric, it detects oneiric, but sees all installs of it
[17:58] <GridCube> yes
[17:58] <GridCube> 2 other installs on grub
[17:59] <GridCube> PINK
[18:00] <charlie-tca> must be 386
[18:01] <GridCube> how to check free software?
[18:01] <GridCube> i don't seem to be missing anything, it looks like any other install
[18:01] <GridCube> same background, same theme (greybird), same programs
[18:03] <charlie-tca> GridCube: http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/AlternateFree start at step 25
[18:04] <charlie-tca> That's the "how to " reference in the top of the spreadsheet ?
[18:04] <GridCube> well food time, will do later
[18:04] <charlie-tca> Okeydokey
[18:18] <micahg> umm...meeting tomorrow, right?
[18:18] <charlie-tca> right
[18:19] <charlie-tca> monday at 19:00
[18:22] <charlie-tca> micahg: bluetooth no longer shows in the menu in Oneiric
[18:22] <micahg> charlie-tca: :(
[18:22] <charlie-tca> Is that because it doesn't detect any devices, or because we have to add blueman?
[18:23] <micahg> possibly because no devices are detected, let me upgrade my machine with bluetooth
[18:23] <charlie-tca> okay
[18:54] <GridCube|test> okay, so freesoftware failed
[18:58] <GridCube|test> www.pastebin.com/DSwwxwp4
[19:00] <charlie-tca> no, they are still commented
[19:00] <GridCube> oh
[19:00] <GridCube> so it worked?
[19:01] <charlie-tca> dpkg -l linux-restricted-* | grep -vE "^[a-z]n|D|\||+++|[19:01] <charlie-tca> returned an empty prompt, so it worked
[19:02] <GridCube> yes
[19:02] <GridCube> ok
[19:02] <GridCube> :)
[19:02] <GridCube> 3 tests done then :D
[19:03] <GridCube> free software, encrypted /home, autoresize
[19:03] <charlie-tca> if it uncomments multiverse or returns anything, it would be fail
[19:04] <GridCube> :) ok
[19:06] <charlie-tca> That's one of the hardest tests to check if it passes
[19:08] <Olbi> what tests you need help now?
[19:09] <charlie-tca> Olbi: can you do 64bit?
[19:09] <charlie-tca> Want to get the alternate 64 tests done if possible
[19:09] <Olbi> ok, so download now alternate CD
[19:09] <GridCube> oh there is no plymouth at boot
[19:10] <charlie-tca> not in VBox
[19:10] <GridCube> :(
[19:11] <charlie-tca> but there is on hardware :)
[20:31] <micahg> GridCube: charlie-tca: latest software center seems to have fixed bug 852835
[20:31] <charlie-tca> Has not fixed it on any install today
[20:32] <charlie-tca> even after updates, it still crashes
[20:32] <micahg> I just tried with software-center before and after 4.1.23.3, before I got a crash, after not
[20:33] <charlie-tca> What ever the one in updates is today, it crashed every install I did. I installed, ran updates, restarted, tried to run software center.
[20:33] <charlie-tca> all hardware installs
[20:34] <charlie-tca> Did they release a new version in the last two hours?
[20:34] <micahg> ah ,just got a crash when I tried a different piece of software
[20:34] <charlie-tca> It's been crashing here just trying to start it
[20:34] <micahg> this is a different one though (dbus)
[20:35] <micahg> oh, hmm, well, I have some gnome libs on this one, maybe it's missing a dependency
[20:35] <GridCube> mmhm
[20:35] <GridCube> its trying to run in gtk3 mode
[20:37] <micahg> shouldn't be a problem, we ship GTK3
[20:38] <GridCube> oh well
[20:39]  * GridCube just helped on #xubuntu-es to an ipod user on xubuntu, install ifuse, mount whit gigolo, manage whit rythmbox
[20:39] <charlie-tca> good job
[20:39] <charlie-tca> !cookie | GridCube 
[20:40] <GridCube> hehehe :D
[20:40] <Unit193> !msg the bot | :P
[20:42] <micahg> charlie-tca: I still see the bluetooth menu under settings on machines w/and w/out bluetooth
[20:43] <GridCube> weird, i do not.
[20:44] <charlie-tca> I don't have it here on any installs done today, live session, and the the install I been using since alpha1
[20:45] <charlie-tca> bluetooth is still installed/available, but it is not in the menus
[20:46] <GridCube> updating to 4.1.23.3 does not solve the software-center problem
[20:46]  * charlie-tca thinks this is micahg's day to be perturbed
[20:47] <Olbi> :D
[20:47]  * micahg doesn't want to be perturbed today...will  be a long week as it is
[20:47] <charlie-tca> Sorry, sir
[20:48] <charlie-tca> wishing I could fix these things, though. 
[20:48]  * charlie-tca knows sometimes wishing makes it happen, but it is so seldom!
[20:48] <micahg> these are also systems that have been upgraded a few releases, so there might be left overs on them
[20:48] <charlie-tca> That is true
[20:49] <charlie-tca> I copy the existing system and upgrade each release, so I get a pretty new system every year
[20:49] <charlie-tca> I said that wrong
[20:50] <charlie-tca> When Oneiric releases, I will do a fresh install on a new partition, copy /home, then upgrade at alpha1 to P
[20:56] <Olbi> super, plymount work only when I shutdown system :P
[20:56] <GridCube> :D
[20:56] <GridCube> it does that!
[20:56] <GridCube> madnick work is excelent :)
[21:31] <Pjotr> Recently, a couple of important packages have been released again. This has already much improved the quality of the Dutch translations of Xubuntu 11.10 Oneiric, which is great! Thank you, developers!
[21:31] <Pjotr> However, the job isn't entirely done yet. Some important packages still have the bad old translation.
[21:32] <Pjotr> mr_pouit: Do you know which Xfce packages are still waiting to be released?
[21:38] <Pjotr> Another problem, not Xfce-related this time: lightdm. This is still 100 % English in Xubuntu 11.10. Upstream the translation has been finished by the Dutch Ubuntu translators: https://translations.launchpad.net/lightdm/
[21:38] <Pjotr> It's an important package for localization, because it's very conspicuous. Is there any chance that the Dutch translation will be issued to Xubuntu 11.10?
[21:39] <micahg> Pjotr: you have to talk to the desktop team about that
[21:39] <Pjotr> micahg: concerning lightdm you mean?
[21:40] <micahg> Pjotr: yes
[21:40] <Pjotr> OK... Where can I reach them on IRC?
[21:40] <micahg> Pjotr: #ubuntu-desktop, robert_ancell should be coming online in a few hours
[21:41] <Pjotr> Thanks, I'll do that.  :-)
[21:42] <Pjotr> Meanwhile, I hope that someone here can tell me the answer to my first question, concerning the Xfce packages... :P
[21:43] <Olbi> Polish translations is done for lightdm ....
[21:43] <micahg> Pjotr: I just pull in whatever Debian packages (assuming it's not going to break stuff)
[21:44] <mr_pouit> hey there
[21:44] <mr_pouit> Pjotr: I think xfce4-panel, thunar and xfwm4 are still waiting to be released (need more testing afaik)
[21:45] <Pjotr> mr_pouit: OK.... will they be in time for Xubuntu 11.10 final, you think?
[21:46] <micahg> final freeze is a week and a half (sep 29)
[21:47] <Pjotr> still some time left, then.... we'll see. :-)
[21:48] <Pjotr> I asked Nick about some Goodies as well, notably xfce4-power-manager
[21:49] <Pjotr> Do you know anything about that, or should I contact Nick?
[22:36] <GridCube> well im bored im gonna go do something
[22:36] <GridCube> good evening, and good night, and i will see you again, hopefully tomorrow for the meeting
[22:36] <GridCube> if not then in a few days XD
[23:21] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: bug 845549 Will not be fixed. robert_ancell has no idea how to make lightdm work without out, and the suggestion is we have to replace it instead of the way we are doing it now.
[23:23] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: and when replacing it, do not lose any pre-set defaults or it will fail
[23:24] <charlie-tca> basically, it will be up to us to figure out how to actually make lightdm work our way.
[23:29] <charlie-tca> robert is open to suggestions and patches to make it actually work