[00:42] <jwrigley> hi ppl, is there some easy way to install the packages of lubuntu in ubuntu?
[00:43] <Unit193> Are you looking to replace Ubuntu with Lubuntu?
[00:43] <Unit193> Are you using 11.04?
[00:43] <jwrigley> yes to both questions
[00:44] <jwrigley> but preferably without reinstalling
[00:44] <Unit193> !purelxde
[00:45] <Unit193> Or just   sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop --no-install-recommends
[00:47] <jwrigley> thanks, that was just it, I was just looking for it under tasks, thanks!
[00:48] <Unit193> Awesome, have a great convert ;)
[00:49] <jwrigley> thanks :)
[03:22] <silverarrow> hi
[03:22] <silverarrow> is there any known conflicts that affects windows media plugin?
[04:52] <daniel__> hey :) is there a way to generate (manually) thumbnails for PCManFM, the filemanager?
[04:52] <daniel__> i need thumbnails from my raw camera photos
[04:53] <jmarsden> daniel__: Do you know specifically what file format you need the thumbnail images to be in?
[04:54] <silverarrow> how do you go about checking plugin conflicts in gnome mplayer?
[04:55] <daniel__> i just need to know where PCManFM stores the thumbnails so i can use imagemagick to create the thumbnails :)
[04:56] <silverarrow> I think I must have some kind of winlib32 trouble
[04:56] <silverarrow> libwin32
[04:56] <jmarsden> daniel__: OK... so you can probably just get pcmanfm to create one and do something like find ~ -mtime -1    to see all files created in the last day... or you can read the pcmanfm sources to see what it does.  I'll see if it is easy to find out...
[04:56] <daniel__> jmarsden, ah nice idea, thanks
[04:57] <jmarsden> daniel__: You're welcome.
[04:59] <silverarrow> mplaye /gecko used to stream fine, but after an update something went wrong. It works for most stuff, but not online tv
[04:59] <silverarrow> I am searching for a way to tackle what I imagine is some kind of plugin / update conflict
[04:59] <silverarrow> any idea?
[04:59] <jmarsden> daniel__: Looks like ~/.thumbnails/ is the place you seek.
[05:00] <daniel__> uh, but with weird names, i guess it's using some sort of hash name
[05:00] <jmarsden> silverarrow: Remove all plugins.  See if issue is now gone.  add them back one at a time, testing each time.  Then you will know which one causes the problem.
[05:01] <silverarrow> sounds good
[05:01] <silverarrow> I am afraid some of my terminal install stuff might not be showing in package manager
[05:02] <silverarrow> me and terminal is a bit like shots in the dark
[05:02] <jmarsden> daniel__: Indeed.  You'll need to read the pcmanfm sources to figure out how it is hashing the filenames, I suspect.  Or you could just let pcmanfm generate them insyead?
[05:02] <silverarrow> i suppose terminal maneuvering is classified under dark arts
[05:02] <daniel__> jmarsden, pcmanfm doesn't support ".cr2" raw files, it seems :-/
[05:02] <jmarsden> silverarrow: Then don't play russian roulette, (a) learn more about Linux and (b) ask for help before using the terminal!
[05:04] <silverarrow> yeah that might be the ideal order of things, but I am afraid I learn rather randomly by trying and failing
[05:04] <jmarsden> daniel__: Ah, OK.  That would make sense.  I think there is a special library for handling raw files, and I would guess pcmanfm does not link to it.
[05:04] <jmarsden> silverarrow: Then at least learn by randomly trying and doing things that are listed in a Linux tutorial :)
[05:05] <silverarrow> promise
[05:05] <daniel__> jmarsden, indeed. i installed that (libraw) and that's why i could use other apps to create thumbs. Will check if md5 crc works + imagemagick convert ;)
[05:08] <silverarrow> I can boot much the same set up of gnome mplayer and gecko in puppy linux, so I know it still works technically
[05:08] <silverarrow> puppy linux is not nearly as solid as lubuntu, so it's really not an alternative
[05:09] <silverarrow> a bit flimsy and erratic os
[05:12] <silverarrow> where has 525 download gone?
[05:12] <silverarrow> sorry
[05:12] <jmarsden> daniel__: I think you need to look at the code in libfm/src/base/fm-path.c, the function fm_path_hash()
[05:13] <silverarrow> is there a way to list plugins or setups in terminal ?
[05:13] <daniel__> thanks alot
[05:13] <jmarsden> daniel__: You're welcome.
[05:13] <silverarrow> I am wondering about the rumors of a lubuntu release in october
[05:13] <daniel__> jmarsden, there's nothing better than open source where you can just take a look at the source :)
[05:14] <daniel__> silverarrow, lubuntu will release at the same time ubuntu releases
[05:14] <jmarsden> silverarrow: They had better not be just rumours :)  Lubuntu 11.10 will come out along with all other official Ubuntu flavors :)
[05:15] <silverarrow> lubuntu is the one I like best these days
[05:15] <jmarsden> silverarrow: There probably is a way to list plugins, but it depends how gnome-mplayer handles them, and I am not familiar with it at anywhere close to that kinds of detail.
[05:15] <silverarrow> Regular Ubuntu runs fine on my new laptop, and totem is good
[05:16] <silverarrow> yes it is a trick thing
[05:16] <silverarrow> and made even more foggy when I cannot remember what I installed extra
[05:16] <jmarsden> daniel__: Re open source... that is why I spend so much time with Linux and open source, and have since 1992 :)
[05:17] <jmarsden> silverarrow: Oh, to see what packages you installed?  look in /var/log/dpkg* for that.
[05:17] <silverarrow> thanks
[05:18] <jmarsden> silverarrow: Or use dpkg -l | grep ^ii for a list of currently installed packages, so maybe   dpkg -l | grep ^ii | grep mplayer    might help??
[05:18] <silverarrow> var?
[05:19] <silverarrow> I'm in filemanager, showing hidden
[05:19] <jmarsden> silverarrow: /var is a directory in Linux... /var/log is where the log files are.  /var/log/dpkg.log is the current log of what dpkg has done on your machine.
[05:20] <jmarsden> I just use the shell, filemanagers are not much use to me, even though I spend a bit of time helping out with pcmanfm sometimes :)
[05:21] <jmarsden> silverarrow: So I would do    less /var/log/dpkg.log     to see the current dpkg log file, for example.  No file manager needed.
[05:21] <silverarrow> thanks, found it ;- )
[05:21] <silverarrow> terminal gave an enormous list
[05:22] <jmarsden> I said /var/log/dpkg* ....   does ls /var/log/dpkg*   give "an enormous list" ??  Really?
[05:24] <silverarrow> http://pastebin.com/4ZmtcTQm
[05:25] <jmarsden> That's not a list of files, that is the contents of one file :)
[05:25] <silverarrow> oh, there is a difference?
[05:25] <jmarsden> silverarrow: do    ls /var/log/dpkg*       and then do    less /var/log/dpkg*    to see the difference.
[05:26] <jmarsden> The first lists the files matching that pathname/filename, the second reads them using less.
[05:27] <jmarsden> Now you can reduce the amount of info you need to read, using grep... something like    grep mplayer /var/log/dpkg.log   for example.
[05:28] <jmarsden> To further reduce that, you could decide you only care about "status installed" entries, and so do    grep mplayer /var/log/dpkg.log |grep "status installed"
[05:29] <jmarsden> Usual normal searching for strings in text files, in other words.
[05:29] <silverarrow> nothing much turns up
[05:29] <jmarsden> Ok, so what kinds of names do your plugin packages have?  Maybe thet do not have "mplayer" in their names?
[05:30] <silverarrow> except dpkg -l | grep ^ii     resulted in a lot
[05:30] <jmarsden> Well, that's a list of all installed packages, so that should be a lot :)
[05:30] <silverarrow> they should have mplayer in their name, at least some of them, or perhaps gecko
[05:31] <silverarrow> my windows media plugin keeps crashing
[05:31] <silverarrow> it's a message I get in browser
[05:32] <jmarsden> So what package is it, do you have any idea?  And if so, uninstall it and see if the problem goes away :)
[05:33] <silverarrow> I have of course the lubuntu restriceds found in package manager
[05:33] <silverarrow> then I think I went for some medibuntu packages
[05:34] <silverarrow> which might be the main stuff
[05:34] <silverarrow> I have the plugin for mplayer and gecko in browser
[05:36] <jmarsden> You need the *name* of the package...
[05:38] <silverarrow> http://imagebin.org/173041
[05:39] <silverarrow> I need to get more clever at this
[05:39] <jmarsden> That just says you do not have any other packages installed with mplayer in their names.
[05:39] <jmarsden> Do you know *when* you added these plugin packages?  Date?
[05:40] <jmarsden> if so you can search the dpkg.log by date to find them.
[05:40] <silverarrow> about 60 days ago or so
[05:41] <jmarsden> OK, so look in the dpkg.log file for things installed around July 20th and see if they look like the plugins.
[05:45] <silverarrow>  it turned out a bit tricky
[05:46] <jmarsden> silverarrow: Why?  WHat is tricky about reading and searching a text file?
[05:47] <silverarrow> http://pastebin.com/Vtccd9Qy
[05:49] <jmarsden> That does not look like output from dpkg.log on a particular date.  So either I am confused, or you are... ?
[05:50] <jmarsden> For example, does    grep 2011-07-20 /var/log/dpkg.log |grep "status installed"       show you anything relevant?
[05:50] <silverarrow> probably me
[05:53] <silverarrow> no, it doesn't give any results
[05:53] <jmarsden> silverarrow: OK, so hunt for other dates near that one...
[05:54] <silverarrow> well I change the moths +/- 1 and nothing changed
[05:54] <silverarrow> maybe day
[05:54] <jmarsden> If you have to, drop the -20 and see everything dpkg installed in July...
[05:55] <jmarsden> You are the one who was complaining about too much output earlier, so I was trying to give you nice exact searches... :)
[05:58] <silverarrow> thank
[05:58] <silverarrow> sorry, I cannot make them work
[05:58] <silverarrow> I need a break
[05:59] <silverarrow> and I need to get going too
[05:59] <jmarsden> OK... well, we tried :)
[05:59] <silverarrow> I shall have to give it a new go when I get home in the evening
[05:59] <silverarrow> yes, and thanks for the help
[06:00] <silverarrow> I'm sure I we trace things better with a few attempts
[06:00] <jmarsden> silverarrow: OK.  One lesson to learn: document what you do to your system, especially when it is something unusual like installing non-standard packlages from a non-standard repository... just keeping a text file about what you did would have avoided all this.
[06:02] <silverarrow> I will do that next time
[06:02] <jmarsden> OK.  11PM here... goodnight :)
[06:02] <silverarrow> I think I will do a clean cd install on next lubuntu release
[06:02] <silverarrow> good night
[06:02] <silverarrow> 8 in the morning here
[11:23] <gilles> hi .. how to i make an application to auto start then OS starts ?
[11:23] <gilles> lunbutu 10.4
[11:24] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ#How_I_can_autostart_a_program_when_logging_in_to_Desktop
[11:24] <bioterror> urxvtd is just an example
[11:25] <bioterror> if you dont have a .desktop file for your desired application, you can make one
[11:27] <gilles> ok .. im new so this sounds complicated for me already
[11:27] <gilles> i have downloaded a program
[11:28] <gilles> teamviewer
[11:28] <gilles> want it to start
[12:23] <gilles> hpw do i upgrade from 10.04 to 11.04 withouth formatting ?
[12:28] <gilles> ?
[12:31] <m6locks> does apt-get dist-upgrade work in lubuntu?
[12:32] <m6locks> at least using update manager one should be able to upgrade
[12:33] <m6locks> gilles: have you tried it? system tools -> update maanger
[12:33] <gilles> there is no update mngr
[12:34] <gilles> in 10.4
[12:34] <m6locks> oh ok
[12:35] <m6locks> well i guess it does the same thing as apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:35] <m6locks> it does not always work
[12:35] <gilles> ok
[12:35] <gilles> how to i get an application to start up with my system
[12:35] <gilles> was looking only .. but to get a desktop config file ..
[12:35] <gilles> im not sure .. im new
[12:36] <gilles> its updating now ..
[12:36] <m6locks> good luck :D
[12:36] <gilles> thx ..
[12:36] <gilles> how to i get an app to auto start with my os ?
[12:36] <gilles> like start up in windows
[12:37] <m6locks> you need a boot manager, grub or LILO are the most used
[12:37] <gilles> ok ? and i need little more details
[12:37] <gilles> on how to get it to work
[12:37] <m6locks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[12:37] <m6locks> something like that
[12:38] <gilles> i meed like when the os boots .. once on desktop .. it loads terminal for example automatically
[12:38] <m6locks> oh ok
[12:40] <m6locks> the are a variety of programs, also you can enter the executing commands straight to boot scripts
[12:41] <gilles> ok programs would probably more easier
[12:41] <m6locks> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75749
[12:45] <m6locks> desktop session settigns does not seem to have selecting your own applications available
[12:45] <m6locks> like in ubuntu
[12:55] <gilles> i know .. what are you using ?
[12:56] <m6locks> lubuntu 11.04
[12:56] <m6locks> on asus eee pc 700
[13:15] <gilles> can you start up apps ?
[13:15] <gilles> wit hthe desktop ssession
[15:27] <giuseppe__> ciao
[15:28] <giuseppe__> i'm italian
[15:29] <giuseppe__> how can I set the display resolution LCD 15.6 HD?
[15:29] <giuseppe__> help me
[15:31] <giuseppe__> please
[15:32] <giuseppe__> i need help
[15:37] <JohnDoe_71Rus> giuseppe__: lxrandr
[15:38] <giuseppe__> 1366 x 768 is not my settinh
[15:38] <giuseppe__> setting
[15:38] <giuseppe__> i need to set 1800x 1200
[15:40] <giuseppe__> <JohnDoe_71Rus  i must to install catalyst driver?
[19:51] <m6locks> so...
[19:52] <m6locks> any ideas what packages to remove to make space? I'm running out of it
[19:52] <m6locks> the base install is a wee bit too big for this eee pc system
[20:01] <bioterror> m6locks, there's not that much packages to be removed
[20:02] <bioterror> m6locks, if you're really low on space, you could install ubuntu from mini.iso and then install just lubuntu-core and pull what ever you need
[20:02] <GTRsdk> m6locks: what don't you need?
[20:04] <Unit193> You could go on a du -h rampage in your /home/user :P
[20:05] <bioterror> I remember when I had my redhat on 4GB deathstar hdd, I usually first removed man pages :D
[20:14] <m6locks> well there are some applications I don't need, I was wondering if I could get rid of some 'useless' libs and stuff
[20:15] <bioterror> remember to run apt-cache clean sometimes too
[20:15] <m6locks> thanks for tip, will do
[20:16] <m6locks> hmm invalid operation clean
[20:17] <bioterror> sorry, apt-get clean
[20:17] <m6locks> oh all right
[20:19] <m6locks> I'd really love to see a LXDE version of eeexubuntu, with 11.04 repositories
[20:19] <m6locks> but I guess they don't develop it anymore
[20:20] <m6locks> I could fit it in 1,7G, but it didn't have chromium or other cool features
[20:21] <m6locks> well, the 7.10 version at least
[20:25] <phillw> m6locks: you could try minimal install and lubuntu-core. That is about as small as lubuntu can get.
[20:25] <m6locks> well this is minimal install, and it was some 2,7G or so
[20:26] <m6locks> hold on, minimal install on ubuntu or lubuntu?
[20:27] <bioterror> !mini
[20:27] <phillw> m6locks: minimal install puts linux on, and little else. you can then add to it. Instead of lubuntu-desktop, just add lubuntu-core. From there you can add what you need
[20:28] <m6locks> hmm ok, it should have xmodmap available, I have this keyboard issue with this one
[20:28] <m6locks> alt gr turns on without pressing the key, so it needs to be remapped
[20:28] <m6locks> console installs are kinda out of the question
[20:30] <bioterror> I mostly need alt gr for @, and during installations that's not needed ;)
[20:30] <m6locks> aye, but it is locked on and all I can see after that is greek characters when typing
[20:30] <bioterror> :(
[20:34] <m6locks> yeah it is totally nerve-wrecking when it happens