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arahello!15:00
roadmrhi!15:00
arawho's around for the UF meeting?15:01
brendandhi!15:01
jedimikehi!15:01
* roadmr UF15:01
araOK, let's get started :)15:02
ara#startmeeting15:02
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araAgenda:15:03
araFeedback priorities15:03
araAOB15:03
ara#topic Feedback priorities15:03
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araFirst of all, thanks to all that provided feedback15:03
araI am sure I missed some of the points, so let's try to cover what we have and add more if we can remember some more15:04
arathe list so far is at:15:04
arahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFriendly/Tools/Checkbox/Feedback15:04
araWe are the final sprint for Oneiric and we have to be careful to make the best decisions. For the feedback that we are receiving for UF there let's try to come up with a solution for each of it.15:04
araPossible solutions15:04
ara* 0.12.815:04
ara* PPA15:04
ara* Won't Fix15:04
ara* Remove test15:04
ara0.12.8 is due in a couple of weeks and it will probably be the last checkbox release in Oneiric, PPA is the rewrite of checkbox that we are developing and that will be released as a PPA, Won't Fix and Remove test are clear enough ;-)15:05
ara#link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFriendly/Tools/Checkbox/Feedback15:05
araSo, going one by one15:05
ara1. Superuser warning should appear at the beginning15:06
roadmro/15:06
araroadmr, go ahead15:06
roadmrthere's currently a known bug in checkbox where it skips the welcome and test selection screens, goes directly into the tests15:06
brendando/15:07
araroadmr, can we have the bug number, please?15:07
roadmrthis exacerbates the problem observed, once the bug is fixed, we could add the warning in the welcome screen's text15:07
roadmrsure: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/85220415:07
ubottuUbuntu bug 852204 in checkbox "Test selection screen does not appear" [Undecided,Confirmed]15:07
roadmr..15:07
arabrendand,15:08
brendandi don't think this should be a high priority. you could argue that putting it before the welcome screen would be more confusing15:08
brendand..15:08
arao/15:09
arabrendand, yes, I think the real problem is the bug for the welcome screen, not the message15:09
araso I think the solution would be to fix that bug for 0.12.815:09
ara..15:10
brendanddefinitely15:10
victorpo/15:10
aravictorp, go ahead15:10
victorpcan we triage that bug15:10
aravictorp, I just did ;-)15:10
victorphehe ...15:10
aracool, one off15:11
ara2. mem_test is crashing for many users15:11
araThe value of this test is very arguable15:11
aramy suggestion would be to raise a bug about it and to remove the test15:12
victorpbug  - https://bugs.launchpad.net/checkbox/+bug/85379915:12
ubottuUbuntu bug 853799 in checkbox "remove memory test from ubuntu friendly whitelist (default)" [Critical,Confirmed]15:12
brendando/15:12
aravictorp, thanks ;-)15:12
arabrendand,15:12
brendandi think there is value in checking if the RAM in the system is usable but i don't think this test is going about it in a way that suits the needs of the ubuntu friendly program15:13
brendandremoving it is an okay short term solution though15:14
brendand...15:14
arabrendand, cool, milestoned as well, thanks15:14
araMoving to the next one15:15
ara3. when a test moves from interactive to non-interactive, the test information should be updated.15:15
araI am sure that there is a old bug about this15:15
aradid anyone try to find it?15:15
roadmro/15:16
araroadmr, you go15:16
brendando/15:16
roadmrThe bug doesn't ring a bell, though we'd have to go look at old bugs, there aren't that many so if it's there we should find it15:16
roadmrWe do need to improve our progress indication when non-interactive tests are running15:16
roadmrwe'd have to look at the amount of work (mainly in the gtk interface) to make this less confusing15:17
roadmr..15:17
arathanks15:17
arabrendand, your turn15:17
victorpo/15:17
brendandnearly 3 years old to be precise...15:17
brendandhttp://launchpad.net/bugs/28392915:17
ubottuUbuntu bug 283929 in checkbox "Answer from previous question is shown while automated tests are run" [Low,Triaged]15:17
brendand..15:18
arabrendand, thanks!15:18
aravictorp, you go now15:18
victorpseems that this is a gui thing... if we are going to rewrite the UI seems better to fix it then15:18
brendando/15:19
victorpunless is a blocker15:19
victorp..15:19
araI don't think it is a blocker, I would vote to fix it in the PPA15:19
arabrendand15:19
* victorp wonders if we can create a milestone for that15:20
akgranero/15:20
brendandi'd say PPA too. the controls are disabled while the automated test is running so even if it is confusing, there's no scope for the user to do anything wrong.15:20
brendand...15:20
araakgraner, you go15:20
akgranerIf you fix it in a ppa will end users know how to update easily?15:20
akgranerI don't use PPA that much15:21
akgraner...15:21
arao/15:21
victorpara - can we stop calling it a ppa and say 12.04 instead15:21
victorpoops o/15:21
victorp:)15:21
victorp..15:22
araThe so-called ppa  is intended to be a "nicer" checkbox that will be released in P15:22
araso, yes, we can call it something else :)15:22
ara..15:22
ara(not sure if 12.04 is the best way to call it, though)15:22
araakgraner, the default checkbox will be usable and we will let people know how to upgrade if the want to use the fancy one15:24
ara..15:24
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aranext one15:24
ara4. graphics/resolution test failed with a dual monitor set up15:24
brendando/15:25
arabrendand, go ahead15:25
brendandis there a bug? has anyone confirmed this?15:25
brendand...15:25
arabrendand, this is coming from Carlos, but I am not sure if he raised a bug15:25
araso the first action here would be to confirm it and raise a bug ;-)15:26
arabut if we confirm it I would vote to fix it in Oneiric15:26
victorpo/15:26
aravictorp, go15:26
victorpI would think then as Carlos to do so and move on15:27
victorp..15:27
brendando/15:27
victorps/as/ask/15:27
arabrendand15:27
brendandi did just check and it is confirmable (you get two lines with an * instead of one)15:27
brendandas victorp said, ping hggdh to raise a bug and then deal with it15:28
brendandwhich i think should be in 0.12.815:28
brendandsince i imagine a lot of people will run with a display connected15:28
brendand...15:28
araOK, let's do that then15:28
araNext one15:28
ara5. suspend/resume should warn the user that it might fail15:28
araI think the test already warns the user, doesn't it?15:29
brendando/15:29
roadmro/15:29
arabrendand, go15:30
brendandi don't think so15:30
* brendand checks15:30
araroadmr, ?15:30
roadmrfrom the test description: "If your system fails to wake at all and must be rebooted,15:30
roadmrrestart System Testing after reboot and mark this test as Failed."15:30
brendanda little bit. could be clearer15:30
roadmryep, not sure how changing a test description at this point affects things. Well that's all I had on this test.15:31
roadmr..15:31
arao/15:31
bladernro/15:31
araI think for Oneiric is good enough15:31
ara..15:31
arabladernr, go15:31
bladernrwas just going to say that changing the actual test descriptions would require a translation change, and thus an exception pushed through at this point...15:32
bladernrat least that's my understanding of it15:32
bladernr...15:32
arao/15:32
araYes I think that's the case15:32
araI think we can mark this one as "won't fix"15:33
ara..15:33
araCool, next one15:33
ara6. ftp test is not working15:33
victorpo/15:33
aravictorp, go ahead :)15:33
victorpftp test!!! realy?15:34
victorpreally I meant15:34
victorpI dont really sure what this tells us about the system15:34
victorpI say remove it15:34
victorp..15:34
ara+115:34
roadmr+1 on killing ftp test15:34
bladernr+115:35
brendand+115:35
araCool, I will raise a bug and will milestone it for 0.12.815:35
ara7. Some testing that I do not have hardware for like PCMCIA are still being asked for15:35
roadmro/15:35
araroadmr, go ahead15:36
roadmrI don't recall what the agreement was on this, but I think we can't detect pcmcia so we have to ask for it. We could phrase it as "does your system have pcmcia?" instead of what we have now, which leaves the impression we are asking for stuff the system doesn't have15:36
roadmrin general we should make sure we don't ask for hardware we can otherwise detect, but if we can't detect it, asking is better than just doing nothing.15:37
roadmr..15:37
arao/15:37
bladernro/15:37
araI think this can be deferred for checkbox gui rewrite15:38
ara..15:38
arabladernr, your turn15:38
bladernrlet me conflate a couple things... I think you suggested marking hte suspend test description change as wont fix, i'd suggest postponing that one and this one for P and handle it then (or not)15:39
bladernrbut both seem to be useful changes, but probably not achievable for Oneiric...15:39
bladernrhowever, I'd like to make sure both live so we don't forget them for P15:39
bladernr..15:39
arasounds good to me15:39
victorp+115:39
araCool, next one15:40
ara8. USB storage transfer takes forever15:40
victorpo/15:40
aravictorp, go ahead15:40
victorpmaybe that was just me? has anyone else experience the same ? akgraner?15:41
victorp..15:41
bladernro/15:41
arabladernr, go15:41
bladernris that the automated USB storage transfer test?15:41
bladernrif so, it takes a while because it creates an arbitrarily big file to transfer to usb storage and then checksums it to compare with the copy on hard disk...15:42
bladernrthe file size could be made smaller, thus significantly speeding up the test... the file size was purely arbitrary15:42
bladernr..15:42
arao/15:42
arathen I vote to fix it (make it smaller) for P, but I don't see a very high value in fixing it for Oneiric at this point15:43
ara..15:43
brendando/15:43
arabrendand, yes?15:43
brendandi think that's some pretty tasty low-hanging fruit :)15:44
victorp0/15:44
victorpo15:44
brendandam i right bladernr?15:44
brendand...15:44
aravictorp, go15:44
bladernr+1 brendand15:44
victorp5 minutes out of 15-20 minutes run seems pretty bad to me and worth doing if just it requires changing a magic number15:45
victorpplus the file shouldn't be bigger that 1K if we are checking crc here, I dont think size matters ;)15:45
victorp..15:45
bladernrthat's what she said15:46
victorps/that/than/15:46
bladernro/15:46
victorpno15:46
victorpshe said fixit for P I am saying O15:46
arabladernr, go ahead15:46
victorpo/15:47
bladernrA: nevermind, bad joke... as for the magic number, it's a very easy fix as brendan said, so +1 for fixing on 0. The default is 32mb, so we could definintely make the default smaller (1MB or 1K or 100K or whatever)15:47
bladernr..15:47
bladernrer... O not 015:47
aramy only concern is that they'll accept it or not15:47
aravictorp, go ahead15:47
victorpI vote for milestoning thisfor 0.12.815:48
* victorp gets the bad joke now... really bad15:48
victorpara- why would they accept the other fixes (mem test) and not this one?15:48
victorp..15:48
aravictorp, I don't know, in this case we are changing a test, in the other case we are removing it15:49
arabut I am happy to try15:49
victorpah, well we should ask in any case15:49
aracool15:49
aranext one15:49
* victorp ..15:49
aralast one15:50
ara9. Submitting results is not clear15:50
arathis is a problem by itself15:50
victorpo/15:50
araif you leave that blank it won't accept the submission (unless something changed in between)15:50
ara..15:50
aravictorp, ?15:50
victorpI must say that is "submitting results with you LP id" is not clear15:50
victorp..15:51
arabut if you leave it blank? does it submit?15:51
roadmr o/15:51
victorpanonymous submissions?15:51
* victorp has not tried that15:51
araroadmr, go ahead15:51
roadmrIf you don't enter an email address, a dialog says "not submitting to launchpad" and you end up in the "successfully finished testing!" screen15:52
roadmrif you then press "previous" and do enter an email address, it can submit to launchpad15:52
araroadmr, but if you leave it blank it won't submit15:52
roadmrI agree that the UI/sequence is a bit confusing, but it works and it does warn you that it won't submit if left blank15:52
arawhich it was my point15:52
victorpo/15:52
arawe should accept blank emails15:52
aravictorp, yes15:52
roadmrok ok, if that's the idea then we do need some changes :015:52
roadmr..15:52
victorpa simple solution would be to put in the test box by default [enter your email here]15:53
victorps/test/text/ !!!15:53
victorpwhat is up with me today15:53
victorp..15:53
arao/15:53
arabut what should we do with blank emails?15:53
victorpgo ahead ara ;)15:53
ara..15:53
victorpo/15:54
aravictorp, just go if nobody is talking15:54
victorpI am +1 on anonymous submissions unless we see most people are using it15:54
roadmro/15:54
araroadmr, yup15:54
victorpso what am I saying is go ahead with accepting it and introduce a ban on them later on15:54
victorp..15:54
roadmrone very simple solution would be forcing a "dummy" email address for blank submissions15:55
roadmrso if it's blank, checkbox sends it as if coming from anonymouscoward@somewhere.com, and we know that all submissions from that address were anonymously sent15:55
victorpanonymous@ubuntu.com15:55
roadmr..15:55
ara+115:56
victorpo/15:56
aravictorp, yes?15:56
victorpis that doable for 0.12.8 or shall we leave it to P?15:56
victorp..15:56
arao/15:57
araI think it is quite a bit change, I am afraid :(15:57
ara..15:57
victorpo/15:57
victorpI would say do it in P15:57
bladernro/15:58
victorpwe dont seem to have a lack of submissions15:58
victorpthere is 48 for oneiric at the moment15:58
victorp..15:58
arabladernr, yes?15:58
bladernrto avoid trying to work this into checkbox for O, would it be possible to do that server-side instead of the client side?15:59
bladernr..15:59
arabladernr, the UI won't submit without email15:59
araI would say, do it in P15:59
ara..15:59
bladernrahhh... I thought that may have changed for anonymous subs...16:00
bladernr..16:00
araCool, I think this covers the first topic16:00
araMoving on quickly (we are already out of time)16:00
ara#topic Ubuntu Friendly website: http://bit.ly/UbuntuFriendly16:00
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aravictorp has suggested to cover this topic during this meeting16:01
aravictorp, anything you want to mention specifically?16:01
victorpo?16:01
victorpI like it!16:01
victorp;)16:01
victorp..16:01
jedimikeo/16:01
arajedimike, go!16:01
jedimikei like it too16:01
jedimike..16:01
* victorp thinks jedimike and cr3 are doing a great job16:01
* ara likes it as well :)16:02
araanyway, just a reminder that feedback and bugs (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-friendly) are more than welcome :)16:03
victorpAny one has contrustive feedback , please?16:03
victorpara - can you set up answers in there16:03
aravictorp, sure16:03
aradone16:04
roadmrother than polishing things (the search controls on the left) I'd say it's looking very nice so far16:04
victorpI think that will be useful to things like this, rather than bugs16:04
ara#topic Any Other Business?16:05
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victorpakgraner, have you had time to look at it?16:05
aragoing once...16:06
aragoing twice...16:06
aragone!16:07
ara#endmeeting16:07
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Sep 19 16:07:45 2011 UTC.16:07
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arathanks all!16:07
roadmrit's gone, gone, gone :( and I can't go oooon!16:07
jdstrandhi!17:06
mdeslaurhello!17:06
micahgo/17:06
jjohansen\o17:07
jdstrandlet's get started17:07
jdstrand#startmeeting17:07
meetingologyMeeting started Mon Sep 19 17:07:24 2011 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.17:07
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jdstrandThe meeting agenda can be found at:17:07
jdstrand[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting17:07
jdstrand[TOPIC] Announcements17:08
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* bliss burns a candle for kees17:08
jdstrandThanks to zooko and jtaylor for their help on security updates for the community supported taylor-lafs last week. Great job! :)17:08
mdeslaurbliss: hehe17:08
jdstranderr, that isn't the right package name17:08
jdstrandtahoe-lafs17:09
jdstrandand yes, kees departure17:09
jdstrandAs kees mentioned via his blog last week, he has left Canonical to pursue other opportunities. We wish him well and look forward to continuing to work with him on Ubuntu in the community.17:09
jdstrandI'm happy to say that the talents of the Ubuntu Security team run deep and we are in good shape. Moving forward, people should direct questions regarding userspace/toolchain hardening to sbeattie.17:09
jdstrandWe are in the process of finalizing the details for the kernel security position, so in the meantime questions on kernel publication should be directed to mdeslaur and kernel hardening can be asked of the team in #ubuntu-hardened.17:09
jdstrand[TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report17:10
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jdstrandI'll go first17:10
jdstrandI'm on triage this week. Part of my work on that will include training tyhicks` on UCT17:10
jdstrandI've got a small pile of MIRs I need to tend to17:11
jdstranda few work items are left, which I hope to try to work on17:11
jdstrandand I have some apparmor policy updates I am working on17:12
jdstrandmdeslaur: you're next17:12
mdeslaurI plan on publishing ffmpeg/libav updates today17:12
mdeslaurand will go down the list to pick something else17:12
mdeslaurI think there's iso testing also this week that I'll do17:12
mdeslaurand, I'm doing the kernel workflow also17:13
mdeslaurthat's it from me17:13
mdeslaursbeattie: tag, you're it17:13
sbeattieI'm on community this week17:13
sbeattieI'm poking at php5 in part prompted by a community member contributing a fix for an open issues there.17:14
sbeattieAlso, I'm still poking at apache as well, both for the security issue fixied in 2.2.21 and some of the byterange regressions fixed as well.17:15
sbeattieI'll also be doing some testing for beta 2 (I have a couple of systems to upgrade to O) and hopefully some iso testing as well.17:15
sbeattieI think that covers it for me.17:16
sbeattiemicahg: ping17:16
micahgupdate chromium and prepare mozilla updates for next week's release train17:16
micahgthat's it17:17
micahgtyhicks`: ping17:17
tyhicks`I'm still working on the mutt update. I hit some snags in my setup last week and didn't make it as far as I had predicted.17:17
tyhicks`I'm confident that I can finish that up this week and I'll also be working with jdstrand on UCT to understand the triaging role.17:18
tyhicks`jdstrand: That is it for me.17:18
jdstrandcool17:18
jdstrand[TOPIC] Highlighted packages17:18
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jdstrandThe Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. The highlighted packages for this week are:17:18
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/teamspeak-server.html17:18
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/condor.html17:19
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/zonecheck.html17:19
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/monotone.html17:19
jdstrandhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/midori.html17:19
jdstrand[TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions17:19
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jdstrandDoes anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?17:19
micahgpeople can ignore midori on that list17:21
sbeattiewell, another great thing people could work on is going back through and confirming that older open CVEs have or have not been fixed in newer releases.17:22
jdstrandyes, that is always helpful17:23
jdstrand[ACTION] jdstrand to update highlighted packages to also mention UCT in general17:24
meetingologyACTION: jdstrand to update highlighted packages to also mention UCT in general17:24
jdstrandok, thanks guys!17:25
jdstrand#endmeeting17:25
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Sep 19 17:25:48 2011 UTC.17:25
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mdeslaurthanks jdstrand!17:26
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rcunninghamI am planning on participating in a Community Council meeting soon.23:37

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