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Jordan_Uterr is now complaining to me in #debian about the fact that I banned them from #ubuntu.01:34
terrJordan_U: I'm here01:36
IdleOnegoing to guess he is typing01:38
IdleOnegive him a sec or two :)01:38
Jordan_Uterr: Hi. I banned you from #ubuntu because you did not stop non-support related discussion when asked to. I happen to agree that Ubuntu isos should be dd able and have personally worked toward making that possible. That does not excuse unproductive ranting in a support channel, and I gave you ample warning.01:38
terrJordan_U: I thought we were just chatting.  I'm new to #ubuntu having only come in about a week ago because I can't get a install done.01:40
terrJordan_U: but I know how to do this and I know how to lift the mbr and I'm a consultant who hires consultants so how come we have these issues?01:41
Jordan_Uterr: #ubuntu is a particularly busy channel. #ubuntu-offtopic is for non support related discussion. More importantly though, I told you this clearly and yet you did not stop.01:41
terrJordan_U: besides which we have lots of offtopic and it spices up discussions.  We are not one dimensional.  goodnerd is a student and wants some C-code help and I can help him.  Can't reach him for now01:42
terrJordan_U: I was only replying to your messages01:42
Jordan_Uterr: If you cannot accept that #ubuntu is only for support then I cannot unban you. Please read the channel guidelines.01:43
terrJordan_U: I'd like to investigate how to improve things01:43
Jordan_U!guidelines | terr01:43
ubottuterr: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines01:43
terrJordan_U: where is a general discussion forum?01:43
Jordan_Uterr: #ubuntu-offtopic.01:44
terrJordan_U: I am new here.  Only last week and only because I ran into serious issues which I should not run into.01:44
terrJordan_U: on this IRC we have 60,000 channels.  I did not know of that one and I cannot even ask for a list01:45
IdleOneterr: Like Jordan_U already said he agrees with you and has helped to get it fixed, for now Ubuntu iso's are not dd able next month with the release of 11.10 it will be.01:45
terrIdleOne: that soon?  WOW01:46
IdleOnesarcasm doesn't help.01:46
terrLike /join #ubuntu-offtopic01:46
IdleOnecorrect.01:46
terrIdleOne: no.  I mean WOW.  I can wait a month!01:47
terrJordan_U: please ask someone to pop to a new channel instead of saying negatives.01:47
IdleOneDo you tell your consultants to leave the meeting when they insist on discussing a strategy you have rejected or do you remind them that you are the one who makes and enforces the rules?01:49
terrIdleOne: I have been planing on installing ubuntu instead of debian for a few years now.  I want to see it.  From what I can tell it looks great01:49
IdleOnepoint here is #ubuntu has guidelines and you were not following them.01:50
terrIdleOne: I try to not enforce rules.  But I have an off topic true story which I will ask your opinion on.01:50
IdleOneI'll chat with you in #ubuntu-offtopic not in here.01:50
terrIdleOne: its also about over 100 million in property and its real time.01:51
IdleOneI'll leave the ban removal or not up to Jordan_U.01:52
Jordan_Uterr: If you agree to read and follow the channel guidelines then I will remove the ban.01:53
terrJordan_U: you have my appologies.01:59
Jordan_Uterr: Apology accepted. Do you agree to follow the channel guidelines if I allow you back in #ubuntu?02:00
terrJordan_U: of course but I don't yet know whta they are02:01
Jordan_U!guidelines | terr02:01
ubottuterr: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines02:01
terrJordan_U: I'm suppose to read all this?02:01
Jordan_Uterr: Yes.02:02
terrJordan_U: if I can get Ubuntu loaded which is what I want to do then I'll write a new shell which will blow your socks off and I happen to know I can do it since we did it before and HP sold it as Transact and you can likely google it.02:09
rwwterr: regardless, please read and then agree to our guidelines ;)02:09
terrJordan_U: I just want to get the O/S installed.  That is all.  I'm quite frustrated02:09
terrrww: ok.  I will agree to read them tomorrow.  I'02:10
rwwterr: okay. please come back when you've read them, then.02:10
terrI'm going to have to install a new MB in a puter any=way and if I can get ubuntu installed then I won't need to come back02:11
rww*shrug*02:12
terrJordan_U:  rww I don't want to create trouble.  Far from it.02:12
rwwIf you're not planning on reading them today, please /part for now and come back when you're able to agree to our guidelines.02:12
terrrww: Why should I read them today.  Its only common sense02:13
IdleOneterr: We need you to either agree to the guidelines so we can remove the ban and allow you back in #ubuntu OR /part this channel now.02:14
rwwterr: because you agreeing to follow them without knowing what they are is pointless02:14
rwwterr: and if you're not going to agree to follow them, I'm not going to unban you, and there's thus not much point in you being here :)02:14
terrrww: you don't need me to help goodnerd with his c-code which is out of channel and which I can help him with out of channel.. but he asked in channel because this is where he finds help.  And I can help him02:15
rwwterr: Again, if you don't plan on reading and agreeing to our guidelines today, please leave and come back when you're able to.02:16
terrrww:  just like a judge.  Of course I agree.02:16
rwwterr: Have you read them?02:16
terrin 2 seconds?02:16
rwwterr: No, in the fifteen minutes since you were given a link to them.02:16
terrrww:  I will look tomorrow.02:17
rwwterr: Then come back tomorrow after you've read them, say you agree to them and have read them, and you'll be unbanned.02:17
rwwThis seems like a rather clear instruction, I'm not sure why I've had to repeat it so many times.02:17
terrrww:  I know a bit about law.  a contract has to be negotiated.  I happen to know the dean of law at the UofC and he calls me by my first name.02:18
terrrww: because i was carrrying in a conversation with Jordan_U  and he bannned me02:19
IdleOneterr: Please part now or I will be forced to remove you.02:19
terrIdleOne: I will part02:19
IdleOneEvening PerfieM02:23
IdleOneHow may we help you?02:23
PerfieMIdleOne: I'm been doing some serious thinking02:23
IdleOneright.02:23
IdleOnego on :)02:24
PerfieMAnd I've realized if I want to become an ubuntu op, I'm going to have to be unbanned from all the ubuntu channels, no?02:24
IdleOneat some point yes02:24
PerfieMI think the time has come02:24
IdleOnehmm, no it hasn't.02:24
PerfieMAre you sure?02:24
rwwyes02:24
IdleOnePerfieM: but...02:24
PerfieM100% sure?02:25
PerfieMIdleOne: I like the sound of that, but what?02:25
rwwI believe I've made my opinion of your #ubuntu bans rather clear, PerfieM.02:25
IdleOneI will discuss it with the rest of the team and some of the freenode staff and perhaps in 3 months if we see some marked and sustained behavioral improvement we can see about removing the ban02:25
PerfieM3 months?02:26
IdleOneyes.02:26
PerfieMOhhhh godddd02:26
IdleOneminimum02:26
PerfieMThats how long it'll take for me to become an oper?02:26
rwwNo, that's how long it'll take before I consider removing the bans I set on you in #ubuntu.02:26
rwwalso, op != oper02:26
IdleOneI didn't say anything about you becoming an op. All I said was we will see about removing the ban02:26
PerfieMrww: Why you hatin?02:27
PerfieMThis is so heartbreaking02:27
rwwPerfieM: because you've been given chances in #ubuntu over and over again and have screwed them up02:27
PerfieMmy dreams are being crushed and I havent even started dreaming02:27
PerfieMrww: I'm a changed person!02:27
IdleOnePerfieM: if you are serious about this and I hope you are you will try really hard and 3 months on the internet is nothing.02:27
rwwPerfieM: You said that at least two times before and weren't.02:27
PerfieMrww: Well, I'm a NEW changed person02:28
IdleOnePerfieM: focus here.02:28
rwwfun fact: you've been banned from #ubuntu on at least five separate occasions at this point, and then unbanned with promises of change02:28
rwwyou'll forgive me for not believing you this time02:28
IdleOneWe need to see a minimum of 3 months of actuall good behavior as set forth in the !coc.02:28
rwwcome back in three months02:28
PerfieMrww: I feel like you and Plazma have been talking, he said the same thing to me.02:29
PerfieMbuncha heartbreakers02:29
rwwPerfieM: no, actually02:29
PerfieMIdleOne: But, if you unban me I can show you good behaviour and than we can take it from there.02:30
IdleOnePerfieM: the deal is non negotiable02:30
* PerfieM facepalms02:30
IdleOneI hope to see you back in 3 months.02:30
IdleOneHave a good night.02:30
IdleOnePerfieM: was there anything else?02:32
IdleOnec'mon dude, you know you're not supposed to idle in here this isn't the first time we listen to this record.02:33
IdleOneyou really want to be an op you are going to have to jump through hoops to get it.02:34
IdleOnefirst hoop is listen to the people handing you an olive branch....errr02:34
rww(they ping timeouted shortly after that, btw. it's theoretically possible their client died)02:39
PerfieMSo, my internet crashed!02:40
IdleOnehappens02:40
PerfieMBut where were we?02:41
PerfieMOh right. anyways~02:41
rwwcome back in three months02:41
IdleOnegimme a sec I'll pastebin it02:41
PerfieMIdleOne: it's okay, I've got it02:41
IdleOneok.02:41
IdleOnePerfieM: the no idle rule.02:42
IdleOneplease.02:42
PerfieMIdleOne: I'm typing up a deal.02:42
PerfieMYou and your "team" unban me from just #ubuntu.  I show you what a wonderful addition I would be. BUT if for some reason I seem to be acting out, than you can totally do whatever seems necessary, and we can totally forget about my dreams and goals.02:44
PerfieMSounds good, right?02:44
rwwPerfieM: No. The entirely non-negotiable deal is that if you come back in three months, I will consider unbanning you. If you persist in arguing now, that deal goes away. No other op is going to unban you at this point, because there are a bunch of notices from me in our bantracker saying not to. In all caps.02:45
IdleOnePerfieM: my deal is the only one that we will consider02:45
rwwSo, come back in three months.02:45
PerfieMrww: hater02:45
IdleOnePerfieM: deal is off.02:46
IdleOnepart now. good night.02:46
elkyWe do see you elsewhere on the network anyway. So you have incentive to behave and generally avoid taunting our ops in other channels.02:46
PerfieMwhat? I'm so confused. We made a deal?02:46
IdleOneelky: doesn't matter anymore. deal is off.02:46
PerfieMnoooooo02:46
IdleOnePerfieM: the bans will stay.02:46
PerfieMThis is so unfair02:46
PerfieMIdleOne: until 3 months right?02:46
IdleOneno02:47
PerfieMWhy?02:47
IdleOnebecause calling an op a hater is not part of the deal.02:47
PerfieMBecause I called rww a hater?02:47
IdleOneyou had a chance. I offered you a hell of a chance against the advice of the entire ops team and you messed it up.02:47
PerfieMOh kids, you're so gonna regret this02:48
IdleOneI am now done.02:48
rwwPerfieM: If you /part now and don't come back until the start of 2012, we'll see then. The best thing for you to do right now would be /part without saying anything :)02:48
IdleOnethreats? that is real Ubuntu of you.02:48
PerfieMrww: well you see, the NEW and imporved PerfieM would part. But since IdleOne decided to not give me a "hell of a chance" I'm gonna say this: What ever happens next you all deserve it.02:49
rwwPerfieM: Yeah, that wasn't /parting without saying anything. Shame.02:49
PerfieMAnd here I was, thinking you actually had a soul02:49
PerfieMrww++ well done, chief02:49
rww@mark #ubuntu-ops PerfieM02:50
ubottuThe operation succeeded.02:50
IdleOneG7|Cloud: hello.03:11
G7|CloudHello, I was just reading about this channel.03:11
G7|CloudIf you'd like, I'll leave03:11
IdleOneG7|Cloud: if you don't have any business with us, please do as per the topic03:12
IdleOne:)03:12
G7|CloudNo problem ;)03:12
IdleOnethank you.03:12
rwwI'm guessing phillw is in here to get used to it for when 11.10 comes out?03:13
IdleOnenot sure03:13
IdleOnei think he may be waiting for topyli03:14
ubottuIn #ubuntu, Dns said: !question what is the comand to change file.log to file.txt ?03:14
topyliresent the reply, i previously seem to have replied to list only04:46
syrinx_hi everyone05:44
syrinx_I have an issue i'd like to raise.05:44
elkyWhat would that be?05:45
syrinx_why was I banned?05:46
syrinx_do some research, check your logs, etc, and let me know05:46
syrinx_???05:49
syrinx_no offense, but I signed the CoC, followed the rules for a LONG time, even applied for op, I think I deserve an answer.05:49
Flannelsyrinx_: I think this is the part where people are 'checking your logs, etc', please be patient.05:51
syrinx_ill be here05:52
ikoniasyrinx_: you know why you where banned05:56
syrinx_I do not, actually.05:56
ikoniasyrinx_: you also sent me a message informing me you'd like to stay band as you don't like those channels and have them on auto join by default05:56
syrinx_I did; I never asked to be reinstated, I just want to know "why"05:57
ikoniasyrinx_: I explained to you05:57
ikoniaso lets not do this to start another argument05:57
syrinx_no second opinions, eh?05:57
ikoniayou don't want to be unbanned, you know why you where banned, lets move on05:57
ikoniathere is no need for a second opinion, I'm the one who banned you and I know why I did it, and I explained it to you05:58
syrinx_for "recruiting", when no evidence of recruiting is present.05:58
ikoniasyrinx_: apart from you activly admiting it05:58
Coreysyrinx_: What's your actual issue?05:58
syrinx_ikonia: admitting it where, exactly?05:59
ikoniasyrinx_: please, lets not waste time going over this again, it's just going to start a row that's uncalled for. you know why, you know you did it, you don't want to be unbanned, lets move on. Please.05:59
syrinx_I love your policies. Send IdleOne and chu_ my regards.06:00
ikoniahello bioterror09:18
bioterrorhi09:18
ikoniahow can we help you today ?09:19
ikoniaahh, I see you are an operator in #lubuntu09:19
bioterroryou're too fast ; )09:19
ikonialooks like that's not been setup yet in here09:19
bioterroryes, I saw this morning email on the list about this and I decided to pop-in and see what's in here09:20
ikoniawell, hello there then09:20
Tm_Tbioterror: welcome to our cave, please find a nice, dry spot next to the bonfire to keep you warm (:09:22
bioterrorthanks tm_t ;)09:22
bioterrorshould I take acoustis guitar with me?-)09:22
bioterroracoustic09:22
Tm_Tit'll help keeping the wolves out so why not09:23
ikonia(that wasn't meant sarcastic)09:23
Tm_Tsarcasm on IRC is a myth, it just doesn't exist (;09:25
elkyI do believe you're being sarcastic there, Tm_T09:28
Tm_TI do believe you're right09:29
Tm_Thmmm, I wonder if there's any scientific data if singing and playing on bonfire do actually keep wolves out09:30
elkyi'd imagine fire itself would09:31
Tm_Tsure, but if you rule that out09:33
knomesinging loudly scares wolves?09:33
bioterrorand way out of note ;)09:34
Tm_Tknome: we haven't tested yet, but you clearly volunteered09:34
Garymy singing would!09:34
knomeheh09:34
Garyit scares most things09:35
ikoniahello rhce7320 can we help you ?11:24
rhce7320Hi, I do some tech support for #l10n-bem translator team (still finding our feet...).   I've just started looking into the IRC side of the effort.  What is required to get a bot on #l10n-bem?11:25
ikoniaubuntu wouldn't really host a bot on non-ubuntu projects11:25
rhce7320It is the ubuntu Bemba translator team11:26
ikoniait's not an ubuntu channel though11:26
ikoniaand there is no-one in that channel11:26
rhce7320tks.  So I guess that I should be asking around the translator channel?11:27
ikoniaI'm not aware of a translator channel11:27
ikoniaso I don't know11:27
rhce7320tks. bye11:27
ikoniabye11:27
elkybem? rhce? bots? whaaaaa...11:28
ikoniahello terr_14:38
terr_ikonia: hello to you.14:38
mneptokelky: 14 eels Sunday ventriloquism Donatist controversy14:38
ikoniaterr_: how can we help you today ?14:38
terr_ikonia: unban me?14:39
ikoniafrom where, and why where yo ubanned ?14:39
terr_ikonia: I'm still a wee bit ticked.  I point out a serious problem and I'm at fault?14:39
mneptokterr_: depends on *how* you pointed it out. and where.14:40
ikoniacould you refresh my memory, and I'll pull up the details14:40
terr_ikonia: because I told Jordan_U That we have serious install issues14:40
ikoniacould you expand a little while I grab the details14:40
mneptokterr_: try telling someone that cigarettes cause cancer by jamming a gun in their mouth. you're right about the smokes, but you're still going to jail.14:41
terr_ikonia: look at the log.  I was talking with Jordan and suggested that we really need to improve things and he got ticked and took it personally14:41
ikoniaterr_: 2 minutes please.14:41
terr_mneptok: I don't even buy cookeis from girl scouts because I know the tobacco industry (like imasco) make them.14:41
mneptokterr_: do you see my point, though?14:43
terr_ikonia: look.  I don't like to fight.  I want to install ubuntu because I've heard great things about it.  But I don't need this greif.  I'll just install Debian instead.14:43
ikoniaterr_: ok then. Bye.14:43
Kohelethits been a week, am I still banned?14:43
ikoniaKoheleth: totally, it's not a time thing, it's your attitude thing14:44
Kohelethikonia:  you still miffed a bit?14:44
ikoniawhen you attitude changes, we'll look at removing the ban14:44
mneptokterr_: #ubuntu is a support channel. for users to get help with problems. if you have identified a problem, discuss it in #ubuntu-devel, #ubuntu+1 or, better yet, file a bug on Launchpad.14:44
mneptok*sigh*14:44
KohelethI dont change tho?14:44
Kohelethit's just the situations I come across, sry14:44
KohelethI love to help people getting programs to run, it(s my speciality :)14:47
ikoniawell, not in #ubuntu it wasn't14:47
Kohelethdid, BlueWolf but he split14:48
Kohelethgreat game actually14:48
ikoniawell, look, come back when your attitude changes and we'll remove the ban14:48
Kohelethit has changed14:49
ikoniaoh, when did this happen ?14:49
KohelethI just want back in and behave14:49
Kohelethikonia:  you have the guage14:49
KohelethI love helping guys14:50
ikoniaevery time you come to this channel to discuss your ban, you behave in an silly manner14:50
Kohelethits my manner!14:50
ikoniathat doesn't leave me to believe you really have changed14:50
ikoniaand the fact that #ubuntu-offtopic isn't a support channel but you keep offering help isn't really helping14:50
Kohelethloads ask for personal help there14:50
Kohelethbesides I am always on a beta not stable14:51
ikoniawell, one of the other operators may choose to unban you, but at this time I just don't believe your intentions, being honest.14:51
Kohelethok14:51
Kohelethikonia:  hope your well and having a great day anyway :)14:53
ikoniathank you. I am14:54
Kohelethwhere you live, or is that offtopic?14:54
ikonianot important.14:54
ikoniajuding by the response of this channel, none of the other operators are available, or wish to remove the ban at this time, I suggest trying back later14:54
ikoniajudging even14:54
Kohelethyeah, syntax is important :)14:55
Kohelethanyway its been a week as promised so will try14:57
ikoniait's not been a week14:57
ikoniayou've been in here a few times being a fool and trying to give silly answers to normal questions,14:57
Kohelethlifetime for me14:57
ikoniayou where in here on Wednesday doing it.14:58
KohelethI am no fool pal14:58
ikoniaKoheleth: ok, then seen you when someone else is free who has a different opinion of you than me14:58
Kohelethok14:58
ikoniaKoheleth: I suggest leaving the channel and coming back later/tomorrow, and it will help if you just come with a normal response to questions.14:59
Kohelethok14:59
mneptokterr_ needs to travel back in time, and help me set up Xubuntu on this UEFI laptop. it would change perspective. :)15:13
ikoniawhats teh difference between UEFI and EFI ?15:14
mneptokUEFI spent the $9.99/month for a vowel upgrade15:17
mneptok(i.e. "I have no idea.")15:17
ikoniaI've just found Terr's problem15:17
ikoniahe's using it on a DX/Pentium 1 machine, which as i386 has been removed support of may be a problem for him15:17
mneptokyup, unless it's Pentium Pro or newer15:18
ikoniaso the massive bug with the installers is.....he doesn't meet the hardware requirements by about 12 years15:19
mneptokeh ... shorter cut-off. whoever bought that machine in 1995 should have waited 6 months.15:19
phillwhe needs to use one of 10.04LTS releases for i386 support :)15:21
ikoniaI think he's beyond that15:22
phillwIDK, lubuntu 10.04 even though it was only ever released as a stable beta may well work for him.15:23
ikonia16 meg of ram15:23
ikoniaand a DX415:23
phillwoooh... 16 meg RAM :(15:24
mneptokhe should spend the time it would take setting up that old machine in more fruitful ways. like weeding lawns to earn money for a newer computer.15:24
genii-aroundCould probably even pick up a P3 or P4 box from the thrift store for about $3015:26
* jrib is confused by gredeu's parting message...15:50
=== rww is now known as tardis
Myrttitheres new devices that need that kernel too17:08
Myrttigeodes17:09
ikonia?17:09
Myrttii38617:10
MyrttiViglen MPC-L17:10
ikoniaooh17:10
genii-aroundDoesn't OLPC use them as well?17:11
* Pici sighs17:21
ikoniaafter I helped him too17:21
ikoniayou help someone, and then he tries to take down peoples machines17:21
=== tardis is now known as rww
ikoniahow dissapointing17:21
PiciIt didn't help that they were just doing the same thing a second ago in #debian17:22
rwwwho, pudger?17:22
ikoniathat's odd, my #debian window had closed17:22
rwwif so, that's negger, who's been acting like an idiot in #ubuntu and #debian for days17:22
ikoniaooh17:22
ikoniaI helped him earlier in #ubuntu17:22
h00k:/17:22
ikoniadidn't realise it was the same guy17:23
rwwstalker.pl <317:23
h00kI should get that, and learn to use it.17:23
rwwalso realname, but yeah17:23
ikoniadidn't whois him, just thought he was cluelesss17:24
h00kHowcome -b?17:25
ikoniaflooded himself off, I suspect he won't be back quickly17:26
ikoniaplus probably come back with a different IP17:26
ikonialeave it on for a while if you think worth while17:26
rww!msgthebot > GTRsdk17:37
h00krww: you win.17:38
Picirww: btw ubottu will respond to a pm even if she isn't sharing a channel with you.17:44
rwwPici: no, she won't17:45
ikoniathe lies continue17:45
Picirww: I just did it.17:45
h00ka new twist!17:45
rwwgives an error message about "Sorry, I don't know rww..." when I do it :\17:45
Pici...17:45
Picimsgthebot > user  wont work, of course.17:46
ikoniadoesn't work for me17:46
ikoniamessaing her for help and she's ignoring me17:46
ikoniamessaging17:46
rww1) open new client, in no channels 2) /msg ubottu !test 3) get message about lack of knowledge17:46
ikoniarww: she doesn't know me17:47
Piciohhh17:47
PiciThats a bug then.17:47
PiciShall I log one?17:48
h00kdoeet17:49
Picitsimpson: Before I log a bug, is it intended that ubottu not reply in pm to users that don't share any channels with her?17:57
IdleOnePici: I believe so, to prevent outside users flooding a user with factoids18:01
* rww suspects "lol supybot" will be answer18:01
ubottusteven___ called the ops in #ubuntu ()18:43
h00kCalled the ops, lol'd, then left.18:43
Myrttisteve troll?18:46
h00kyep.18:46
h00kMyrtti: ^18:46
genii-aroundDarn. I feel the sudden need for blinky icons now too.20:49
h00kheh.20:49
* h00k installs marquee-everything-always on genii-around's computer20:49
genii-aroundooooooo20:50
h00kI feel like he's just a troll.20:51
Coreytodd__ is getting a little tiresome.22:47
IdleOnewhat's with the pirate talk?22:56
rwwit's pirate talk day22:57
IdleOneevery other week?22:57
Picievery year22:58
IdleOnegeez has it been a year already22:58
CoreyIdleOne: Avast, ye be behind the times there, matey!23:01
IdleOnejust not into the pirate thing23:01
IdleOneI have been known to wear an eye patch once or twice23:02
CoreyIdleOne: Aye, but that be because ye has trouble with complex equipment such as forks, ye scallywag!23:04
IdleOneand spoons :/23:06

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