[00:05] ping! [00:05] er [00:05] !ping [00:05] another contentless ping... sigh... [01:34] terr is now complaining to me in #debian about the fact that I banned them from #ubuntu. [01:36] Jordan_U: I'm here [01:38] going to guess he is typing [01:38] give him a sec or two :) [01:38] terr: Hi. I banned you from #ubuntu because you did not stop non-support related discussion when asked to. I happen to agree that Ubuntu isos should be dd able and have personally worked toward making that possible. That does not excuse unproductive ranting in a support channel, and I gave you ample warning. [01:40] Jordan_U: I thought we were just chatting. I'm new to #ubuntu having only come in about a week ago because I can't get a install done. [01:41] Jordan_U: but I know how to do this and I know how to lift the mbr and I'm a consultant who hires consultants so how come we have these issues? [01:41] terr: #ubuntu is a particularly busy channel. #ubuntu-offtopic is for non support related discussion. More importantly though, I told you this clearly and yet you did not stop. [01:42] Jordan_U: besides which we have lots of offtopic and it spices up discussions. We are not one dimensional. goodnerd is a student and wants some C-code help and I can help him. Can't reach him for now [01:42] Jordan_U: I was only replying to your messages [01:43] terr: If you cannot accept that #ubuntu is only for support then I cannot unban you. Please read the channel guidelines. [01:43] Jordan_U: I'd like to investigate how to improve things [01:43] !guidelines | terr [01:43] terr: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines [01:43] Jordan_U: where is a general discussion forum? [01:44] terr: #ubuntu-offtopic. [01:44] Jordan_U: I am new here. Only last week and only because I ran into serious issues which I should not run into. [01:45] Jordan_U: on this IRC we have 60,000 channels. I did not know of that one and I cannot even ask for a list [01:45] terr: Like Jordan_U already said he agrees with you and has helped to get it fixed, for now Ubuntu iso's are not dd able next month with the release of 11.10 it will be. [01:46] IdleOne: that soon? WOW [01:46] sarcasm doesn't help. [01:46] Like /join #ubuntu-offtopic [01:46] correct. [01:47] IdleOne: no. I mean WOW. I can wait a month! [01:47] Jordan_U: please ask someone to pop to a new channel instead of saying negatives. [01:49] Do you tell your consultants to leave the meeting when they insist on discussing a strategy you have rejected or do you remind them that you are the one who makes and enforces the rules? [01:49] IdleOne: I have been planing on installing ubuntu instead of debian for a few years now. I want to see it. From what I can tell it looks great [01:50] point here is #ubuntu has guidelines and you were not following them. [01:50] IdleOne: I try to not enforce rules. But I have an off topic true story which I will ask your opinion on. [01:50] I'll chat with you in #ubuntu-offtopic not in here. [01:51] IdleOne: its also about over 100 million in property and its real time. [01:52] I'll leave the ban removal or not up to Jordan_U. [01:53] terr: If you agree to read and follow the channel guidelines then I will remove the ban. [01:59] Jordan_U: you have my appologies. [02:00] terr: Apology accepted. Do you agree to follow the channel guidelines if I allow you back in #ubuntu? [02:01] Jordan_U: of course but I don't yet know whta they are [02:01] !guidelines | terr [02:01] terr: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines [02:01] Jordan_U: I'm suppose to read all this? [02:02] terr: Yes. [02:09] Jordan_U: if I can get Ubuntu loaded which is what I want to do then I'll write a new shell which will blow your socks off and I happen to know I can do it since we did it before and HP sold it as Transact and you can likely google it. [02:09] terr: regardless, please read and then agree to our guidelines ;) [02:09] Jordan_U: I just want to get the O/S installed. That is all. I'm quite frustrated [02:10] rww: ok. I will agree to read them tomorrow. I' [02:10] terr: okay. please come back when you've read them, then. [02:11] I'm going to have to install a new MB in a puter any=way and if I can get ubuntu installed then I won't need to come back [02:12] *shrug* [02:12] Jordan_U: rww I don't want to create trouble. Far from it. [02:12] If you're not planning on reading them today, please /part for now and come back when you're able to agree to our guidelines. [02:13] rww: Why should I read them today. Its only common sense [02:14] terr: We need you to either agree to the guidelines so we can remove the ban and allow you back in #ubuntu OR /part this channel now. [02:14] terr: because you agreeing to follow them without knowing what they are is pointless [02:14] terr: and if you're not going to agree to follow them, I'm not going to unban you, and there's thus not much point in you being here :) [02:15] rww: you don't need me to help goodnerd with his c-code which is out of channel and which I can help him with out of channel.. but he asked in channel because this is where he finds help. And I can help him [02:16] terr: Again, if you don't plan on reading and agreeing to our guidelines today, please leave and come back when you're able to. [02:16] rww: just like a judge. Of course I agree. [02:16] terr: Have you read them? [02:16] in 2 seconds? [02:16] terr: No, in the fifteen minutes since you were given a link to them. [02:17] rww: I will look tomorrow. [02:17] terr: Then come back tomorrow after you've read them, say you agree to them and have read them, and you'll be unbanned. [02:17] This seems like a rather clear instruction, I'm not sure why I've had to repeat it so many times. [02:18] rww: I know a bit about law. a contract has to be negotiated. I happen to know the dean of law at the UofC and he calls me by my first name. [02:19] rww: because i was carrrying in a conversation with Jordan_U and he bannned me [02:19] terr: Please part now or I will be forced to remove you. [02:19] IdleOne: I will part [02:23] Evening PerfieM [02:23] How may we help you? [02:23] IdleOne: I'm been doing some serious thinking [02:23] right. [02:24] go on :) [02:24] And I've realized if I want to become an ubuntu op, I'm going to have to be unbanned from all the ubuntu channels, no? [02:24] at some point yes [02:24] I think the time has come [02:24] hmm, no it hasn't. [02:24] Are you sure? [02:24] yes [02:24] PerfieM: but... [02:25] 100% sure? [02:25] IdleOne: I like the sound of that, but what? [02:25] I believe I've made my opinion of your #ubuntu bans rather clear, PerfieM. [02:25] I will discuss it with the rest of the team and some of the freenode staff and perhaps in 3 months if we see some marked and sustained behavioral improvement we can see about removing the ban [02:26] 3 months? [02:26] yes. [02:26] Ohhhh godddd [02:26] minimum [02:26] Thats how long it'll take for me to become an oper? [02:26] No, that's how long it'll take before I consider removing the bans I set on you in #ubuntu. [02:26] also, op != oper [02:26] I didn't say anything about you becoming an op. All I said was we will see about removing the ban [02:27] rww: Why you hatin? [02:27] This is so heartbreaking [02:27] PerfieM: because you've been given chances in #ubuntu over and over again and have screwed them up [02:27] my dreams are being crushed and I havent even started dreaming [02:27] rww: I'm a changed person! [02:27] PerfieM: if you are serious about this and I hope you are you will try really hard and 3 months on the internet is nothing. [02:27] PerfieM: You said that at least two times before and weren't. [02:28] rww: Well, I'm a NEW changed person [02:28] PerfieM: focus here. [02:28] fun fact: you've been banned from #ubuntu on at least five separate occasions at this point, and then unbanned with promises of change [02:28] you'll forgive me for not believing you this time [02:28] We need to see a minimum of 3 months of actuall good behavior as set forth in the !coc. [02:28] come back in three months [02:29] rww: I feel like you and Plazma have been talking, he said the same thing to me. [02:29] buncha heartbreakers [02:29] PerfieM: no, actually [02:30] IdleOne: But, if you unban me I can show you good behaviour and than we can take it from there. [02:30] PerfieM: the deal is non negotiable [02:30] * PerfieM facepalms [02:30] I hope to see you back in 3 months. [02:30] Have a good night. [02:32] PerfieM: was there anything else? [02:33] c'mon dude, you know you're not supposed to idle in here this isn't the first time we listen to this record. [02:34] you really want to be an op you are going to have to jump through hoops to get it. [02:34] first hoop is listen to the people handing you an olive branch....errr [02:39] (they ping timeouted shortly after that, btw. it's theoretically possible their client died) [02:40] So, my internet crashed! [02:40] happens [02:41] But where were we? [02:41] Oh right. anyways~ [02:41] come back in three months [02:41] gimme a sec I'll pastebin it [02:41] IdleOne: it's okay, I've got it [02:41] ok. [02:42] PerfieM: the no idle rule. [02:42] please. [02:42] IdleOne: I'm typing up a deal. [02:44] You and your "team" unban me from just #ubuntu. I show you what a wonderful addition I would be. BUT if for some reason I seem to be acting out, than you can totally do whatever seems necessary, and we can totally forget about my dreams and goals. [02:44] Sounds good, right? [02:45] PerfieM: No. The entirely non-negotiable deal is that if you come back in three months, I will consider unbanning you. If you persist in arguing now, that deal goes away. No other op is going to unban you at this point, because there are a bunch of notices from me in our bantracker saying not to. In all caps. [02:45] PerfieM: my deal is the only one that we will consider [02:45] So, come back in three months. [02:45] rww: hater [02:46] PerfieM: deal is off. [02:46] part now. good night. [02:46] We do see you elsewhere on the network anyway. So you have incentive to behave and generally avoid taunting our ops in other channels. [02:46] what? I'm so confused. We made a deal? [02:46] elky: doesn't matter anymore. deal is off. [02:46] noooooo [02:46] PerfieM: the bans will stay. [02:46] This is so unfair [02:46] IdleOne: until 3 months right? [02:47] no [02:47] Why? [02:47] because calling an op a hater is not part of the deal. [02:47] Because I called rww a hater? [02:47] you had a chance. I offered you a hell of a chance against the advice of the entire ops team and you messed it up. [02:48] Oh kids, you're so gonna regret this [02:48] I am now done. [02:48] PerfieM: If you /part now and don't come back until the start of 2012, we'll see then. The best thing for you to do right now would be /part without saying anything :) [02:48] threats? that is real Ubuntu of you. [02:49] rww: well you see, the NEW and imporved PerfieM would part. But since IdleOne decided to not give me a "hell of a chance" I'm gonna say this: What ever happens next you all deserve it. [02:49] PerfieM: Yeah, that wasn't /parting without saying anything. Shame. [02:49] And here I was, thinking you actually had a soul [02:49] rww++ well done, chief [02:50] @mark #ubuntu-ops PerfieM [02:50] The operation succeeded. [03:11] G7|Cloud: hello. [03:11] Hello, I was just reading about this channel. [03:11] If you'd like, I'll leave [03:12] G7|Cloud: if you don't have any business with us, please do as per the topic [03:12] :) [03:12] No problem ;) [03:12] thank you. [03:13] I'm guessing phillw is in here to get used to it for when 11.10 comes out? [03:13] not sure [03:14] i think he may be waiting for topyli [03:14] In #ubuntu, Dns said: !question what is the comand to change file.log to file.txt ? [04:46] resent the reply, i previously seem to have replied to list only [05:44] hi everyone [05:44] I have an issue i'd like to raise. [05:45] What would that be? [05:46] why was I banned? [05:46] do some research, check your logs, etc, and let me know [05:49] ??? [05:49] no offense, but I signed the CoC, followed the rules for a LONG time, even applied for op, I think I deserve an answer. [05:51] syrinx_: I think this is the part where people are 'checking your logs, etc', please be patient. [05:52] ill be here [05:56] syrinx_: you know why you where banned [05:56] I do not, actually. [05:56] syrinx_: you also sent me a message informing me you'd like to stay band as you don't like those channels and have them on auto join by default [05:57] I did; I never asked to be reinstated, I just want to know "why" [05:57] syrinx_: I explained to you [05:57] so lets not do this to start another argument [05:57] no second opinions, eh? [05:57] you don't want to be unbanned, you know why you where banned, lets move on [05:58] there is no need for a second opinion, I'm the one who banned you and I know why I did it, and I explained it to you [05:58] for "recruiting", when no evidence of recruiting is present. [05:58] syrinx_: apart from you activly admiting it [05:58] syrinx_: What's your actual issue? [05:59] ikonia: admitting it where, exactly? [05:59] syrinx_: please, lets not waste time going over this again, it's just going to start a row that's uncalled for. you know why, you know you did it, you don't want to be unbanned, lets move on. Please. [06:00] I love your policies. Send IdleOne and chu_ my regards. [09:18] hello bioterror [09:18] hi [09:19] how can we help you today ? [09:19] ahh, I see you are an operator in #lubuntu [09:19] you're too fast ; ) [09:19] looks like that's not been setup yet in here [09:20] yes, I saw this morning email on the list about this and I decided to pop-in and see what's in here [09:20] well, hello there then [09:22] bioterror: welcome to our cave, please find a nice, dry spot next to the bonfire to keep you warm (: [09:22] thanks tm_t ;) [09:22] should I take acoustis guitar with me?-) [09:22] acoustic [09:23] it'll help keeping the wolves out so why not [09:23] (that wasn't meant sarcastic) [09:25] sarcasm on IRC is a myth, it just doesn't exist (; [09:28] I do believe you're being sarcastic there, Tm_T [09:29] I do believe you're right [09:30] hmmm, I wonder if there's any scientific data if singing and playing on bonfire do actually keep wolves out [09:31] i'd imagine fire itself would [09:33] sure, but if you rule that out [09:33] singing loudly scares wolves? [09:34] and way out of note ;) [09:34] knome: we haven't tested yet, but you clearly volunteered [09:34] my singing would! [09:34] heh [09:35] it scares most things [11:24] hello rhce7320 can we help you ? [11:25] Hi, I do some tech support for #l10n-bem translator team (still finding our feet...). I've just started looking into the IRC side of the effort. What is required to get a bot on #l10n-bem? [11:25] ubuntu wouldn't really host a bot on non-ubuntu projects [11:26] It is the ubuntu Bemba translator team [11:26] it's not an ubuntu channel though [11:26] and there is no-one in that channel [11:27] tks. So I guess that I should be asking around the translator channel? [11:27] I'm not aware of a translator channel [11:27] so I don't know [11:27] tks. bye [11:27] bye [11:28] bem? rhce? bots? whaaaaa... [14:38] hello terr_ [14:38] ikonia: hello to you. [14:38] elky: 14 eels Sunday ventriloquism Donatist controversy [14:38] terr_: how can we help you today ? [14:39] ikonia: unban me? [14:39] from where, and why where yo ubanned ? [14:39] ikonia: I'm still a wee bit ticked. I point out a serious problem and I'm at fault? [14:40] terr_: depends on *how* you pointed it out. and where. [14:40] could you refresh my memory, and I'll pull up the details [14:40] ikonia: because I told Jordan_U That we have serious install issues [14:40] could you expand a little while I grab the details [14:41] terr_: try telling someone that cigarettes cause cancer by jamming a gun in their mouth. you're right about the smokes, but you're still going to jail. [14:41] ikonia: look at the log. I was talking with Jordan and suggested that we really need to improve things and he got ticked and took it personally [14:41] terr_: 2 minutes please. [14:41] mneptok: I don't even buy cookeis from girl scouts because I know the tobacco industry (like imasco) make them. [14:43] terr_: do you see my point, though? [14:43] ikonia: look. I don't like to fight. I want to install ubuntu because I've heard great things about it. But I don't need this greif. I'll just install Debian instead. [14:43] terr_: ok then. Bye. [14:43] its been a week, am I still banned? [14:44] Koheleth: totally, it's not a time thing, it's your attitude thing [14:44] ikonia: you still miffed a bit? [14:44] when you attitude changes, we'll look at removing the ban [14:44] terr_: #ubuntu is a support channel. for users to get help with problems. if you have identified a problem, discuss it in #ubuntu-devel, #ubuntu+1 or, better yet, file a bug on Launchpad. [14:44] *sigh* [14:44] I dont change tho? [14:44] it's just the situations I come across, sry [14:47] I love to help people getting programs to run, it(s my speciality :) [14:47] well, not in #ubuntu it wasn't [14:48] did, BlueWolf but he split [14:48] great game actually [14:48] well, look, come back when your attitude changes and we'll remove the ban [14:49] it has changed [14:49] oh, when did this happen ? [14:49] I just want back in and behave [14:49] ikonia: you have the guage [14:50] I love helping guys [14:50] every time you come to this channel to discuss your ban, you behave in an silly manner [14:50] its my manner! [14:50] that doesn't leave me to believe you really have changed [14:50] and the fact that #ubuntu-offtopic isn't a support channel but you keep offering help isn't really helping [14:50] loads ask for personal help there [14:51] besides I am always on a beta not stable [14:51] well, one of the other operators may choose to unban you, but at this time I just don't believe your intentions, being honest. [14:51] ok [14:53] ikonia: hope your well and having a great day anyway :) [14:54] thank you. I am [14:54] where you live, or is that offtopic? [14:54] not important. [14:54] juding by the response of this channel, none of the other operators are available, or wish to remove the ban at this time, I suggest trying back later [14:54] judging even [14:55] yeah, syntax is important :) [14:57] anyway its been a week as promised so will try [14:57] it's not been a week [14:57] you've been in here a few times being a fool and trying to give silly answers to normal questions, [14:57] lifetime for me [14:58] you where in here on Wednesday doing it. [14:58] I am no fool pal [14:58] Koheleth: ok, then seen you when someone else is free who has a different opinion of you than me [14:58] ok [14:59] Koheleth: I suggest leaving the channel and coming back later/tomorrow, and it will help if you just come with a normal response to questions. [14:59] ok [15:13] terr_ needs to travel back in time, and help me set up Xubuntu on this UEFI laptop. it would change perspective. :) [15:14] whats teh difference between UEFI and EFI ? [15:17] UEFI spent the $9.99/month for a vowel upgrade [15:17] (i.e. "I have no idea.") [15:17] I've just found Terr's problem [15:17] he's using it on a DX/Pentium 1 machine, which as i386 has been removed support of may be a problem for him [15:18] yup, unless it's Pentium Pro or newer [15:19] so the massive bug with the installers is.....he doesn't meet the hardware requirements by about 12 years [15:19] eh ... shorter cut-off. whoever bought that machine in 1995 should have waited 6 months. [15:21] he needs to use one of 10.04LTS releases for i386 support :) [15:22] I think he's beyond that [15:23] IDK, lubuntu 10.04 even though it was only ever released as a stable beta may well work for him. [15:23] 16 meg of ram [15:23] and a DX4 [15:24] oooh... 16 meg RAM :( [15:24] he should spend the time it would take setting up that old machine in more fruitful ways. like weeding lawns to earn money for a newer computer. [15:26] Could probably even pick up a P3 or P4 box from the thrift store for about $30 [15:50] * jrib is confused by gredeu's parting message... === rww is now known as tardis [17:08] theres new devices that need that kernel too [17:09] geodes [17:09] ? [17:10] i386 [17:10] Viglen MPC-L [17:10] ooh [17:11] Doesn't OLPC use them as well? [17:21] * Pici sighs [17:21] after I helped him too [17:21] you help someone, and then he tries to take down peoples machines === tardis is now known as rww [17:21] how dissapointing [17:22] It didn't help that they were just doing the same thing a second ago in #debian [17:22] who, pudger? [17:22] that's odd, my #debian window had closed [17:22] if so, that's negger, who's been acting like an idiot in #ubuntu and #debian for days [17:22] ooh [17:22] I helped him earlier in #ubuntu [17:22] :/ [17:23] didn't realise it was the same guy [17:23] stalker.pl <3 [17:23] I should get that, and learn to use it. [17:23] also realname, but yeah [17:24] didn't whois him, just thought he was cluelesss [17:25] Howcome -b? [17:26] flooded himself off, I suspect he won't be back quickly [17:26] plus probably come back with a different IP [17:26] leave it on for a while if you think worth while [17:37] !msgthebot > GTRsdk [17:38] rww: you win. [17:44] rww: btw ubottu will respond to a pm even if she isn't sharing a channel with you. [17:45] Pici: no, she won't [17:45] the lies continue [17:45] rww: I just did it. [17:45] a new twist! [17:45] gives an error message about "Sorry, I don't know rww..." when I do it :\ [17:45] ... [17:46] msgthebot > user wont work, of course. [17:46] doesn't work for me [17:46] messaing her for help and she's ignoring me [17:46] messaging [17:46] 1) open new client, in no channels 2) /msg ubottu !test 3) get message about lack of knowledge [17:47] rww: she doesn't know me [17:47] ohhh [17:47] Thats a bug then. [17:48] Shall I log one? [17:49] doeet [17:57] tsimpson: Before I log a bug, is it intended that ubottu not reply in pm to users that don't share any channels with her? [18:01] Pici: I believe so, to prevent outside users flooding a user with factoids [18:01] * rww suspects "lol supybot" will be answer [18:43] steven___ called the ops in #ubuntu () [18:43] Called the ops, lol'd, then left. [18:46] steve troll? [18:46] yep. [18:46] Myrtti: ^ [20:49] Darn. I feel the sudden need for blinky icons now too. [20:49] heh. [20:49] * h00k installs marquee-everything-always on genii-around's computer [20:50] ooooooo [20:51] I feel like he's just a troll. [22:47] todd__ is getting a little tiresome. [22:56] what's with the pirate talk? [22:57] it's pirate talk day [22:57] every other week? [22:58] every year [22:58] geez has it been a year already [23:01] IdleOne: Avast, ye be behind the times there, matey! [23:01] just not into the pirate thing [23:02] I have been known to wear an eye patch once or twice [23:04] IdleOne: Aye, but that be because ye has trouble with complex equipment such as forks, ye scallywag! [23:06] and spoons :/