[07:15] <MartijnVdS> Arrrr!
[07:29] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:30] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Morning. It be International Talk Like a Pirate Day. Arrr! :)
[07:32] <AlanBell> Ahoy!
[07:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Arr Harr!
[07:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just been trying to grope my wife before she heads off to work. But she was not impressed.
[07:52] <AlanBell> http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/press/releases/2011/sep/18/Pirate-Party-German-Scores-Historic-Win/ germany is prepared for boarding
[07:54] <jpds> AlanBell: Considering the amount of music they were blastly out, I'm not surprised.
[08:00] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:16] <oimon> "pirate" is a poor choice of name for a party IMO
[08:21] <danfish> Avast ye scurvy dogs <- (good morning in piratese)
[08:22] <brobostigon> morning danfish
[08:22] <danfish> o/
[08:22] <brobostigon> o/
[08:25] <danfish> my arduino/zoneminder on ubuntu fox repelling system will be constructed tomorrow :)
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> so.. apt-get purge firefox then?
[08:32] <GreenDance> Morning All
[08:32] <kirrus> g'morning
[08:33] <GreenDance> you know the ubuntu-restricted-extras package, is it illegal to bundle that into an ubuntu-respin?
[08:35] <AlanBell> depending on jurisdictions, and whether you pay the patent royalties each time you distribute it, maybe
[08:36] <GreenDance> @ AlanBell : I can't remember which ubuntu-respin it is, but one of them include it in the default-install
[08:36] <AlanBell> linux mint for a start
[08:37] <GreenDance> can't they get sued?
[08:37] <AlanBell> I think they are taking the strategy of having no assets and not being worth suing
[08:38] <AlanBell> but I don't pay much attention to mint
[08:38] <oimon> linux mint offer 2 downloads: 1 for non USA/Japan/Magazines and dsitributors, and one for the rest of us without silly software patent laws
[08:38] <oimon> "A version which fits on a CD, without multimedia support and extra applications. For magazines, companies and distributors in the USA, Japan and countries where the legislation allows patents to apply to software and distribution of restricted technologies may require the acquisition of 3rd party licenses."
[08:39] <AlanBell> yeah, so magazines and distributors don't want to accidentally be liable for royalties
[08:40] <GreenDance> @ AlanBell : would a loop-hole not be, on the desktop to have a link which if activated installs the extras?
[08:40] <diplo> Morning all
[08:40] <AlanBell> GreenDance: or a checkbox in the installer, which there is.
[08:41] <GreenDance> is that a legal loop-hole?
[08:41] <AlanBell> ask a lawyer
[08:41] <GreenDance> their expensive, lol
[08:42] <danfish> MartijnVdS: if only it were that simple!
[08:42] <oimon> GreenDance: is your question hypothetical or is there a more detailed scenario which would help your question?
[08:42] <AlanBell> Canonical are clearly comfortable with it
[08:42] <AlanBell> and I know their lawyer
[08:43] <GreenDance> oimon, it's hypothetical
[08:43] <GreenDance> @ AlanBell : Canonical are comfortable with what...?
[08:44] <daubers> Morning :)
[08:45] <GreenDance> Morning daubers
[08:45] <GreenDance> :)
[08:45] <GreenDance> what did you mean AlanBell ?
[08:45] <oimon> can anyone recommend good cable tidy that i can buy over the net? i've been tasked with getting some
[08:46] <oimon> i think there's probably a better word pair than "cable tidy"
[08:50] <AlanBell> GreenDance: they are comfortable with the legality of the checkbox on the installer
[08:50] <GreenDance> :)
[08:51] <JamesTait> Morning all!
[09:01] <czajkowski> https://twitter.com/#!/RonanKirby/status/115710418034503680
[09:01] <czajkowski> job is based in the UK
[09:10] <oimon> does anyone actually know what jboss is?
[09:27] <directhex> oimon, a crappy java application server
[09:27] <directhex> for Enterprise(tm) java server apps
[09:41] <popey> Someone has just handed me an HP Touchpad to play with
[09:41] <popey> How do you tell it about proxies.
[09:43] <popey> oh god its painful to work via a proxy
[09:52] <Laney> woe is the life of a proxy user
[09:52] <Laney> pretty sure banshee/tomboy will regress in oneiric due to the proxy settings moving to gsettings
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> and chrom(e|ium)
[09:53] <Laney> don't think firefox supports the system settings either
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> Banshee is regressing anyway because it crashes during apt-get upgrade(!)
[09:54] <Laney> bug?
[10:04] <davmor2> morning all
[10:04] <davmor2> MooDoo: you online yet?
[10:46] <biomorph> Hi all...   I am having problems that file volumes are being set in error because the filesystem and database file sizes are different.
[10:46] <biomorph> Should bscan fix this for me?  It doesn't seem to update the database.
[11:14] <biomorph> OK - it looks like I need to do update volume from bconsole, but I can't find which argument to pass to the command.
[11:28] <biomorph> Grrrr....   Sorry all.  Wrong channel.
[11:41] <kirrus> Very quiet here today. Busy monday?
[11:41] <popey> Shh!
 exams? </whisper> :P
[11:43] <Aquix> http://www.talklikeapirate.com/
[11:43] <Aquix> Nevaaarrrg
[12:18] <The_Fred> Hello
[12:22] <oimon> lots of freshers on campus today. 80s fashion is getting more extreme
[12:29] <biomorph> OK - I've got a really dumb question.  I want to start script "b" from script "a" and then continue running script "a"
[12:30] <biomorph> In script a I have a line "/pathto/b &"
[12:30] <biomorph> But script a goes into zombie state and never exits.
[12:31] <biomorph> I've also tried "nohup /pathto/b &" same result.
[12:32] <oimon>  why do yuo have the "&" ?
[12:35] <biomorph> oimon: to put it in the background.  I want script b to continue running after a has exited.
[12:35] <oimon> ah, i misundertood your original statment
[12:36] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1257/detail/ drinks on thursday if anyone is about
[12:37] <biomorph> Sorry - I'm not being as clear as I could be.  Really feel I'm missing a basic concept of unix here that I should know.
[12:38] <AlanBell> I am pretty useless with bash stuff, does the output need to be piped to /dev/null to stop it waiting for a return value or something maybe?
[12:40] <hamitron> biomorph, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nohup#Overcoming_hanging
[12:51] <biomorph> AlanBell: hamitron:  Thanks guys, I think it is to do with piping stuff.
[12:59] <davmor2> MooDoo: prod
[13:00] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod just cause I don't want you feeling left out
[13:03] <AlanBell> isn't it sweet how much davmor2 is missing MooDoo
[13:04]  * czajkowski pours a bucket of ice cold water over davmor2 
[13:08] <davmor2> AlanBell: I only want to congratulate him properly
[13:17] <biomorph> ok "sh /pathto/b &" seems to work fine.  I'm just embarrassed I've never done it before.
[14:54] <czajkowski> http://www.theranktank.com/ funky
[15:12] <oimon> the spotify play limit doesn't get reset each month :(
[15:13] <oimon> listen to a song five times and that's it.
[15:14] <kirrus> Thought it did.. is it 31 days after you last listened to something? Not that I'd know, I started paying ages ago
[15:18] <oimon> kirrus: play count definitely hasn't been reset, although my hours have.
[15:18] <oimon> my behaviour is usually: listen to album 5-10 times on spotify, then buy
[15:22] <kirrus> oimon: could well be a bug. Worth emailing them?
[15:22] <oimon> "Once a track has been played five times, it will become unavailable -- not until the end of the month, but until you pay to subscribe."
[15:23] <oimon> isn't there another spotify competitor coming online ?
[15:24] <kirrus> Haven't heard of one. Amazon/apple/ubuntu are all doing the 'let-you-stream-your-music-for-a-fee' model thing
[15:25] <oimon> http://venturebeat.com/2011/09/14/mog-free-streaming-music-spotify/
[15:25] <oimon> arggh US only :(
[15:40] <popey> I'd ask them on irc
[15:40] <popey> #spotify
[15:41] <oimon> i'm pretty sure it's a feature.
[15:41] <oimon> anyway, i discovered grooveshark now :)
[16:11] <MartijnVdS> ARGH
[16:12] <MartijnVdS> why does Banshee _hang_ every time after I do an apt-get upgrade
[16:15] <shauno> maybe they're trying to copy itunes, and that's the closest they could come to having to accept the tims eula *every* single time it updates
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> :)
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> but it even hangs if I don't upgrade anything Mono or Banshee-related
[16:30] <Laney> where's your bug report?
[16:30] <Laney> also, #banshee @ gimpnet
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> Laney: I'm trying to find a way to reproduce it more reliably (than 50%-ish of the time)
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> Laney: I've started it from a terminal with --debug now, for a stack trace
[16:33] <Laney> sweet
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> though I wonder why apport isn't picking up on it
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> (probably because it doesn't really "crash" as such, but goes into "400% CPU" mode
[17:52] <issyl0> popey, AlanBell: I won't be coming to tomorrow night's thing, sorry.
[17:52]  * issyl0 has decided (probably unwisely) to go to the college freshers thing instead.  :-/
[17:52] <issyl0> Oh well.  Put myself in social situations and hopefully not feel *too* much like a fish out of water...
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> Practice makes perfect, issyl0
[17:53] <issyl0> MartijnVdS: Heh.  :-)
[17:54]  * issyl0 carries on with an English essay.
[19:15] <brobostigon> meeting in 3/4 of an hour, #ubuntu-uk-meeting
[19:20] <AlanBell> a very good point :)
[19:21] <brobostigon> :)
[19:42] <feisar> hi peeps, is it possible to spin down a usb or firewire attached hd after a set time?
[19:57] <AlanBell> evening all
[19:59] <Pendulum> hiya AlanBell
[20:01] <AlanBell> team meeting in #ubuntu-uk-meeting when everyone is ready with beer/wine/coffee/tea
[20:08]  * popey tickles Daviey with bug 854189
[22:34] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[22:58] <exobuzz> wow. testing oneiric is stressful. unity is so broken currently, (im awqare of the fixing coming up), its almost unusable. ouch
[22:58] <popey> not so bad here
[22:59] <directhex> i assume unity is broken
[22:59] <directhex> before or after release
[22:59] <exobuzz> minimise a window :)
[22:59] <exobuzz> switching windows/minimizing/maximising and it gets intoa mess its a known uissue. patch for X and patch for unity. coming hopefully anymoment now before i lose my mind
[22:59] <popey> hah exobuzz
[22:59] <popey> i minimised the irc window
[22:59] <popey> hence the delay in replying
[23:00] <exobuzz> it's just being kind to olympic ironers
[23:00] <exobuzz> ps. see my facebook spam
[23:00] <exobuzz> hehe
[23:00] <popey> ☺
[23:00] <directhex> i think the reason the system tray was disabled in natty isn't the "design choice" nonsense, but because it totally doesn't work properly
[23:00]  * bigcalm looks forward to not embracing Unity on his workstation :)
[23:01] <directhex> if you enable the systray, then notification area icons aren't clickable (you can click the rightmost one, then the open menu follows your mouse into the icons to the left, but UX--)
[23:02] <exobuzz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/848237 plus other issues are current
[23:03] <exobuzz> fix is "around the corner"
[23:03] <gord> directhex, you think wrong
[23:03] <anto9us> Hello
[23:04] <directhex> gord: wake me when window decorations gain magical icons in the top-right, as we were told to expect
[23:04] <exobuzz> haha
[23:04] <exobuzz> yeh where are they
[23:04] <exobuzz> the big reason for everything heh
[23:04] <exobuzz> well. since i was on ubuntu i upgraded to try. ill report some bugs, then ill seeya all on kde or so
[23:05] <exobuzz> unless ubuntu gets brilliant and works and gives me a big tech snog of functionality
[23:05] <gord> the ubuntu community is so negative lately =\
[23:05] <exobuzz> i mean unity
[23:05] <exobuzz> gord, that blog post reagrding release times and payment from ex ubuntu guy summed up the issues for me
[23:06] <directhex> exobuzz: scott's post?
[23:06] <exobuzz> i forgot the link now
[23:06] <exobuzz> but it made sense
[23:08] <exobuzz> i hope 11.10 unity 2d will be usable on the joggler. else ill have to hack something else on like fallback + netbook remix gui
[23:08] <exobuzz> no middle click on touchscreens by default
[23:08] <directhex> oh, netbook remix
[23:08] <directhex> how i miss netbook remix
[23:08] <exobuzz> hell, right click from long touch is still broken on natty.. still. i give up.. they only have to downgrade mousetweaks from the gnome 3 version
[23:09] <directhex> i would totally use the old netbook-launcher on gnome2, rather than unity
[23:09] <exobuzz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/mousetweaks/+bug/762806
[23:09] <directhex> note: kubuntu netbook isn't far from being that
[23:10] <exobuzz> directhex, yeh
[23:10] <exobuzz> i should try that
[23:10] <directhex> the kubuntu netbook remix plasma desktop is very much like UNR used to be
[23:10] <directhex> very very buggy, but the UX is better
[23:11] <exobuzz> bbl. going to have a wine
[23:27] <directhex> final New Vegas DLC is out today \o/ o// \\o
[23:33] <buzz_> if anyone is interested, i packaged up latest sidplay-fp code for ubuntu https://launchpad.net/~jools/+archive/ppa/+index?field.series_filter=
[23:34] <buzz_> that url is longer than it needed to be
[23:34] <buzz_> no sidplay.ini gets copied anywhere. so you need to grab that and tweak it if you want from the svn repo. i should stick that in /usr/share/docs - was a quick job
[23:35] <buzz_> (it also installs alongside sidplay2 in ubuntu)
[23:35] <buzz_> but the ini are incompatible probably
[23:35] <buzz_> </c64 related spam>