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philipballewwhat kernel is 11.10 gonna have00:57
rww3.000:58
rwwI think it's Linux 3.0.3 specifically right now00:59
philipballewhum. i need to find out when 3.2 comes out or just manually install a wifi driver for a friend00:59
philipballewhrd to tell sometimes00:59
guaphilipballew: rolling your own packages is kind of nice for situations like that. you can set the package to conflict with the kernel that has the driver, so if/when they upgrade to the kernel that has the driver, your package will be automatically uninstalled01:44
philipballewgua, is there an easy way to turn http://homepage.uibk.ac.at/~c705283/archives/2011/09/04/linux_support_for_broadcom_4331_wireless_chip_macbook_pro_81/index.html what this is telling me to do into a few clicks deb?01:47
philipballewi'm trying to help a friend with his new install of ubuntu01:48
guaphilipballew: anything you can script you can put into a deb01:48
guathere are preinstall and postinstall scripts you can do all kind of fancy things with01:48
guaalthough if creating the package is "easy" or not is up to each person01:49
philipballewhum. i just dont see "the average ubuntu" user compiling anything you know what i mean?01:49
guaphilipballew: yeah, ideally that would be the case01:51
philipballewbut its not gonna be in till the 3.2 kernal or something01:53
guaphilipballew: hm. well for it to remove itself you need to know what version of the kernel will have the driver. so you could have one package that doesn't conflict, but then make an updated version of the package that does conflict when you do know02:07
philipballewmaybe i could make a ppa02:09
philipballewbut gua I need to learn packaging better02:12
guaphilipballew: yeah but this is a good opportunity! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Basic02:17
guafor custom personal packages you can cut corners in a lot of places, if you want02:18
philipballewhow long gua would you say it takes to learn packaging?02:19
guaphilipballew: i'm not really sure. i'm still learning myself.02:20
philipballewto build your own probably not to long02:21
seidosanyone else watch hanna last night?02:53
seidosoh, and hi everybody!02:55
guahi dr nick02:56
seidosgua!02:56
guawho is hanna and why are people watching her?02:56
guaseidos!02:56
seidosit's the title of a movie02:56
seidosand a character in said movie02:56
guaoh right, that looks good02:56
guawas it on tv or something?02:56
seidosi just watched it02:56
seidosi'm going to watch trading places next02:56
guai haven't seen it02:57
guahaha. you're doing the last season i take it02:57
seidoslast season?02:57
guaof movies02:57
guathose both sound like they've been in theatres recently02:57
seidosnah, i'm going with what they are doing with this fadnight madnight thing in ##club-ubuntu02:58
seidos"hanna" was 2011, "trading places" was like 198302:58
guaah that's neat02:59
seidosword02:59
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* nhaines loves ramen.16:31
=== rww is now known as tardis
nhainesakk: do you love ramen too?16:47
akk"love" might be overstating it, but I like it16:48
nhainesI just finished some instant ramen.  It was nice.16:48
kdubyuk16:55
seidosfor some reason ramen that's wrapped in those bags are better than in a cup16:57
seidosplus, you can add peas and corn to it16:57
akkAgreed, the bag kind is much better than the cup kind.16:57
nhainesYou can do that with the cup, too, although this cup ramen already had peas and corn.16:57
seidosit's just not the same16:57
akkI like adding broccoli or mixed veggies.16:57
bkerensaThere is this Sake factory in Berkeley they make amazing Cherry Sake and serve Ramen plus they have a glass floor and the factory is below :D16:57
nhainesUnfortunately I stick to cup ramen at work for the convenience.  At least I have my own chopsticks.16:58
akkThe cup kind, I think, pre-cooks the noodles more and the noodles are shorter (to fit in the cup).16:58
seidosramen and sake?  that's different16:58
akkYou can do the bag kind in a microwave too, but you have to have a big bowl.16:58
seidossake and udon sounds feasible...but ramen?  that's news.16:58
seidosdoes it taste the same akk?16:59
seidosnever microwaved the bag kind16:59
nhainesakk: it's only the bowl I lack, not the desire.  :)16:59
akkIt does! Nuke the water alone for about 6.5 min, then put the noodles & powder in,16:59
akkcover with a plate and let it sit for another 5 or so min.16:59
seidosinteresting, more efficient to microwave.  will have to do that16:59
akkIt's a lot quicker and easier than using a pot on the stove.16:59
nhainesHow are we making bag ramen without a microwave?  Pot of water on the stove?17:00
seidos"we" aren't.17:00
nhainesToday I just used the hot water from the coffee machine.  Might start nuking, though, but I don't have a spouted cup.17:00
seidosthat's another option, we have an electric water boiler17:01
bkerensaMay sound gross but try Parmesan cheese in the Ramen17:01
akkWater from the coffee machine works with cup ramen but probably not with bagged (those precooked noodles).17:01
seidosdoesn't sound gross to me, but i'm a freak17:01
akkI used to know someone who lived almost entirely on noodles&parmesan.17:01
nhainesakk: probably not.  The vegetables weren't rehydrated properly anyway.17:01
seidosit's essentially cheese and bread17:02
* akk hasn't had parmesan in a long time, married to someone who has an anti-parmesan gene, literally17:02
bkerensalol17:02
tardisthat exists?17:02
* bkerensa buys a big thing of it every month17:02
bkerensa:D17:02
bkerensacostco size17:02
akkIt does! There's a gene that makes parmesan smell like vomit and makes lobster and crab completely tasteless.17:03
tardisakk: ... that explains so much17:03
akkSame gene, apparently. (Bodies are so cool.)17:03
bkerensaalthough my eating habits are negligent towards my health17:03
bkerensa:P17:03
* bkerensa also has a mini fridge stocked with fizz beverages always17:03
akkA different gene makes broccoli and cabbage relatives taste bitter to some people.17:04
bkerensaakk: do you like kimchi?17:04
akkno17:04
tardisscience is awesome17:04
akkwell, I like japanese kimchee, not the fermented korean kind17:05
nhainesOh, I've only had the fermented Korean kind.17:05
akkThe Japanese kind is just cabbage mildly picked (in vinegar, I think).17:07
nhainesFrankly if i pickled cabbage and stored it and it came out like kimchi after storage, I wouldn't have eaten it.17:07
seidosfor some reason vinegar reeks on its own, but i <3 pickled things17:07
seidosperhaps it requires spices to taste decent17:08
seidoshey MarkDude17:08
akkSame here -- I dislike the smell of vinegar, and can't stand mustard or tabasco because they're so vinegary17:08
akkbut it's just fine in salad dressing or pickles, go figure17:09
bkerensaHas anyone ever ate Silkworm Pupa?17:09
seidosi <3 mustard and don't hate tabasco17:09
MarkDudeHello seidos , everyone17:09
akkhi MarkDude17:10
nhainesbkerensa: hard to say... I don't always study my salads before I start eating them...17:10
* bkerensa might try Silkworm Pupa for the first time tomorrow.... I said on my blog that if I win the About.me NYC Time Square Contest I would eat a can of Silkworm Pupa from Korea17:10
bkerensa=o17:10
bkerensaand as of right now I'm somewhere in the lead with 1100 votes =)17:10
seidosit can't taste any worse than this green powder drink that i've been drink17:11
bkerensaseidos: idk my cousin's husband ate some during their honeymoon in Korea and almost warfed.... For some reason they brought me a can17:12
* MarkDude might try a pupa, fusion cuising with a pupusa, just for the alliterative value17:12
MarkDudeGood writing on your blog bkerensa17:12
akkpupa pupusas!17:12
* MarkDude thought the headline for the tech crunch thing might have been toooo much, UNTIL I read the stuff their CEO dude said, 17:13
bkerensalol17:14
bkerensayeah17:14
bkerensaEditor17:14
MarkDudeDo you know how hard it is to out douchbag Miki Arrington?17:14
MarkDudesp ^^^^ needs an e17:14
bkerensaand Erick Schonfeld is a nobody... He just sucked up to Arianna Huffington in a attempt to stab Michael Arrington on his way out17:14
bkerensaMarkDude: It is pretty hard17:14
MarkDudeArrington is the gold standard17:15
MarkDudeSo this dude might be platinum17:15
MarkDude:D17:15
bkerensaMarkDude: I might steam down to San Francisco from Charleston, OR with my cousin in a month or two if I go work on his boat for a bit17:17
MarkDudeAwesome17:18
MarkDudeplease tell me it somehow involves you wearing 3 piece old timey suit, as well as top hat17:18
MarkDudePossibly a monocle17:19
bkerensaYeah :D I wanna go out to sea... Its been awhile but I don't like the idea of sleeping on the sea on a medium vessel17:19
bkerensalol17:19
bkerensanah will be doing some crabbing17:19
* MarkDude will help start kickstarter for such a purpose17:19
bkerensa:P17:20
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MarkDudeSilkworms are most likely tasty when fried17:26
MarkDudeas most things are17:26
MarkDudeMmmm, crunchy17:26
akkOr drenched in garlic butter -- if it works for snails, it'll surely work for silkworms.17:26
* MarkDude is hella glad this was all logged, future generations to have ideas of our culinary sensibilities :D17:27
MarkDudeGarlic butter - FTW17:27
* akk pities anyone who reads the logs for this channel17:27
MarkDudelol17:28
MarkDude20% MarkDude ramblin' crap17:28
MarkDudeXD17:28
MarkDudeBetter than when my % was higher17:28
* MarkDude suggests the topic here could read, now with 50% MarkDude's crazy ramblings17:29
* bkerensa will never eat snails17:29
bkerensaalthough I did eat Foie Gras at the Yelp Party on Saturday http://youtu.be/rXkt7USXIPw17:30
seidosakk what's worse, reading the logs, or chatting live?  o_o17:31
bkerensaand it was good but not something I would ever buy.... It tasted like a salty yet fruity mousse17:31
seidoswhat's everyone doing today?  i need some ideas17:31
seidosi was considering riding down wilshire and walking into buildings that looked interesting17:32
nhainesI'm working.17:32
seidoseither that or finding solitude in a public park17:32
akkWe'll be (I hope) picking up a CD of PETscan results, after which I can spend the next month trying to figure out how to read them in Linux.17:32
seidosj-o-b17:32
bkerensaseidos: Uhh... reviewing gadgets today17:33
nhainesI should review gadgets.17:33
bkerensaindeed17:34
* bkerensa is kinda irritated at once company right now17:34
bkerensathey sent me two of their fancy mouses and they do not work on Linux17:34
bkerensaI guess at this point I might soon setup a Windows 7 box just for Windows specific products =/ but this kinda hit me from left field17:36
rwwMice that don't work on Linux? Even Microsoft isn't that silly.17:36
* rww snuggles his Intellimouse17:36
bkerensaLOL17:36
bkerensarww: Yeah Smartfish17:36
* bkerensa needs to make friends with a PR nerd from Logitech... Maybe MarkDude knows someone ;)17:37
MarkDudeUh, Nixie Pixel17:39
MarkDudeShe wants to help the Cali Ubuntu team more17:39
MarkDudeOregon is not that far away, plus your publicity skills are 2nd to none bkerensa17:40
MarkDudehttps://picasaweb.google.com/105095769731159704550/NixiePixelLogitechTreyarch#553740655154171248217:41
bkerensaMarkDude: I just need to know who the AOR is for Logitech17:42
MarkDudeI am talking to Nixie this week sometime, I can ask her17:43
MarkDudeShe found a place in SF, most likely17:44
MarkDudeNear Death Guild no less ( a goth club)17:44
pleia2isn't it DNA Lounge which hosts Death Guild?17:46
pleia2yeah17:47
MarkDudeYep17:47
MarkDudeWhere we had the Karmic Koala party17:47
* pleia2 nods17:47
pleia2I have friends there, but we all remember what I said about parties ;)17:48
bkerensaMarkDude: Have you ever been to the MoonStar restaurant in SF?17:54
* MarkDude went there with Nixie and like 10 geeks. One of the most bizarre experiences in my life. 18:02
* MarkDude know weird, so consider the relativeness18:03
iheartubuntuhi all. Im trying to help a wheelchair bound ubuntu user here in SoCal. He visited us at the recent Ubuntu Hour and is having dial up problems.18:06
iheartubuntu I visited him to try and solve his issues, but got no where :)18:06
iheartubuntuwhen using gnome-ppp or kppp (or even wvdial) i get a NO CARRIER message18:07
iheartubuntuthe modem works and dials out fine, but never connects to his ISP18:07
nhainesThis is a strange definition of "works" to me.18:08
iheartubuntuI signed up to another ISP and get the same NO CARRIER results18:08
* rww gets horrifying flashbacks to AOL dialup on Linux18:08
iheartubuntuWell, many winmodems just dont work in linux so his does appear to work fine as it does dial out, attempts the connection, etc18:08
iheartubuntuhis dialup did work about a month ago18:09
seidoswas he using linux a month ago?18:09
iheartubuntuyes18:09
seidoswhat changed?18:09
iheartubuntuhe has used ubuntu for 5 years using this same modem18:09
nhainesIf the modem doesn't connect regardless of the other end and times out, his modem doesn't actually appear to work.18:10
iheartubuntuim having a difficult time finding another modem (that doesnt cost $50)18:10
nhainesDoes the modem work with DOS or Windows?18:10
seidosit works to a degree if it dials18:10
iheartubuntui was unable to test this18:10
nhaines(And yes, modems cost around $50.)18:10
iheartubuntuhe has an external modem18:11
iheartubuntuim going to start a ticket with his ISP to see if the problem is on their end also, but the other ISP i signed up for does not connect either18:11
seidosso the version of ubuntu changed, and now he can't connect iheartubuntu ?18:11
nhainesThat makes it pretty clear it's not the ISP.18:11
iheartubuntuhe has been using 10.04 LTS for a while now18:11
nhainesI'd test to see if it worked with a different OS, and I'd check to see if it works with different phone lines.18:12
iheartubuntuI have tried various init strings also with no positive effect18:12
iheartubuntuhe is on an extremely fixed income so DSL is a last resort18:13
nhainesNo one suggested that.18:14
iheartubuntuhe did18:14
seidosit's the elephant in the room18:14
nhainesIt's not really.  The modem hasn't been properly tested.18:14
nhainesDo that first, then worry about replacing it.18:14
iheartubuntuthere are several wifi networks in his area18:15
iheartubuntui recommended paying $5 to a neighbor or something for a connection18:15
nhainesYou can probably get cheap DSL for $20 with slow speeds, so that might not be out of the question.  But the modem hasn't been properly tested.18:15
iheartubuntuHe is paying like $7 for dial up right now18:15
iheartubuntunhaines... picking your brain... your next step would be test them modem elsewhere? another computer? another OS? another phone line?18:16
nhainesYes, in that order.18:17
iheartubuntuanother problem he is having.... during boot up the modem attempts to dial out18:17
iheartubuntubefore the computer reaches the login screen18:17
iheartubuntuhe said this is a new thing that started happening a month ago also18:17
nhainesThat's a computer configuration issue.18:17
iheartubuntuhe said someone came over to help him and he did not remember if the person installed stuff or not18:18
iheartubuntui did not see anything added out of the norm18:18
iheartubuntuthe computer itself is buggy and the cdrom never worked to run ubuntu as a livecd18:19
nhainesThen there's no reason to expect anything else to work either.18:20
nhainesHow did he install Linux?18:20
iheartubuntusomeone did it for him18:21
iheartubuntuand they all arent returning his calls anymore18:21
iheartubuntuthe USB was buggy too18:22
iheartubuntusometimes it would work, sometimes it wouldnt18:22
iheartubuntuthanks nhaines i will give it shot18:32
* greg-g is finally back in SF from Warsaw18:40
pleia2welcome back18:40
iheartubuntuhow was warsaw?18:42
greg-gwarsaw was awesome. Definitely a great city to visit18:58
greg-gI wish i had more time there18:58
nhainesSounds like the system may be failing, and Linux is often much less forgiving of bad hardware than Windows.  Might be time for him to start saving for a new computer.18:58
akkI missed the middle of the convo, but sometimes dialup sites change a protocol or something, and dialup software has to be adjusted to compensate.19:01
akkI remember needing to do that now and then when I used dialup.19:01
akk(Come to think of it, I've had to do something similar with wifi too.)19:02
nhainesakk: there's a bit where it's slowly revealed that the CD drive didn't work to run a live CD, the USB ports are buggy, the system generally is buggy, and the user didn't install Linux himself.19:03
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* kdub 's shiny new desktop parts come today 19:03
DarkwingDuckIf things work out, this is going to be an EPIC SCaLE19:04
akkoh, that does sound bad, nhaines19:04
iheartubuntusince i have to make a trip to his place, im going to contact his ISP in a futile attempt to save driving time. maybe they can offer some advice... although his ISP is low cost and the one I found is free dialup... both have the end result of "no carrier"19:05
iheartubuntuhe is using lafn.org19:05
iheartubuntuand i signed up for http://www.socalfree.net/19:06
DarkwingDucknhaines: UbuCon is good to go for SCaLE.19:07
raevolDarkwingDuck: :D19:22
iheartubuntunahaines - could you suggest anything I could do to check why the dialup modem would be dialing out on boot up? It seems odd to me any program would attempt this on boot up. Both gnome-ppp and kppp require user to open the program first to connect.19:41
akkDoesn't ubuntu try to do various networky things when it starts up ... thus triggering any "automatically start the network" scripts that might be set up?19:44
akkNTP, perhaps19:45
iheartubuntuthe person Im helping said it never did this "before"19:49
iheartubuntuand the only thing i can think of is... before someone last came and helped him19:49
iheartubuntuhe doesnt have much to back up... evolution file, bookmarks, and some docs. He has an 8GB chip which should be overkill unless his evolution file contains 20 years worth of emails (which it might!)19:50
iheartubuntuim even considering wiping and doing a fresh install19:51
iheartubuntumaybe i can bring an external DVD drive and an USB drive with ubuntu on it and do the install19:51
iheartubuntuone of those will work, eventually.19:51
iheartubuntui think this would clear up whatever other people have done to his machine19:52
nhaineshe has what kind of chip?19:52
iheartubuntuin the modem19:52
iheartubuntu?19:53
iheartubuntunot sure19:53
iheartubuntuthis might help me create the proper init string too if i knew19:53
nhainesIf it's external, it doesn't matter.19:53
nhainesYou said he has an 8GB chip.19:53
iheartubuntuno? yes, its external19:53
iheartubuntuyes he does19:53
nhainesWhat kind of chip?19:54
iheartubuntu8gb USB chip19:54
iheartubuntu:) kettle cooked potato chip :)19:54
iheartubuntunot sure if the comp could even boot from a USB stick anyways19:55
nhainesAn 8GB flash drive?19:55
iheartubuntucorrect19:57
nhainesWell, if his networking is set up properly, the machine will dial out any time it wants to access the network.  And the system will try to bring up networking during startup.  So this is totally normal.20:03
nhainesI would check /etc/network/interfaces to make sure it's not configured there.20:03
iheartubuntui thought dialup is no longer added in network manager anymore20:06
iheartubuntuso i was using gnome-ppp instead20:06
iheartubuntuI got through to his ISP20:15
iheartubuntuthey said the modem had not made any connections to them in the last month, signifying the modem is failing and to replace it20:15
iheartubuntuare there any .conf or config files i can check to see if any programs are trying to dial out upon boot up?20:16
MarkDudeTry puppy Linux too, if you can iheartubuntu20:33
MarkDudeThe networking options are great. Since boot is so quick, you can try a few ways of doing it20:34
iheartubuntuI wonder if anyone would have an extra 56k external modem to donate?20:34
MarkDudeThe newest 1st, followed by 4.20+, and 2.16+20:35
* MarkDude does20:35
MarkDudeUnless I got rid of them , since I figured they were not used. I am pretty sure I have at least 2 tho20:35
iheartubuntuthe computer he has came from a company, so it is a very small box, no room for an internal modem20:35
kdubwats a "56k modem"?20:56
iheartubuntuamen to that20:57
kdubi think i have one, but the drivers are on a 5" floppy disk ;-)20:57
kdubzing20:57
seidos5.25" zing zing21:01
nhainesI didn't say anything about Network Manager, I said try checking the setup for /etc/network/interfaces21:02
seidosiheartubuntu: maybe check craigslist.  it's a long shot, but thrift shops may have something if there are any where you live.21:05
iheartubuntuhey great idea. i have a few on my way home from work21:06
seidosyeah!  tell me what they have, maybe i'll get something.  i have $6.  :P21:07
seidoshi philipballew21:08
iheartubuntuOK :)21:08
iheartubuntui picked up a digital dart board for $5 last time :)21:08
iheartubuntunow if they only sold beer21:08
seidosthey may have tea21:08
iheartubuntufrom the 1970s21:08
seidosi <3 tea21:08
seidoshmmm, would it still be good?21:09
seidosonly one way to find out!21:09
philipballewhey seidos !!!21:09
seidosi was drinking a glass of green tea at starbucks last week, and it looked like a glass of pale ale21:09
seidostoo bad they don't have a bar to sit at21:10
seidoshey philipballew, are things well?21:11
nhainesI need to reinstate my plan to buy a DEC VT320.21:11
philipballewi think seidos just doin the college thing21:12
seidosso many things to buy, so little $21:12
seidosword21:12
seidosphilipballew: i was thinking of going to west la college to find a nice tree to study under21:13
philipballewstudy what?21:15
seidosgravity21:15
seidos:D21:15
philipballewwill a apple fall on your head!21:16
seidosthey probably don't have fruit trees :(21:16
philipballewplant one :)21:16
seidosand i can't ride my bike to oxford or cambridge21:17
seidosthere's an idea21:17
iheartubuntuu need fruit?21:17
iheartubuntuthere are some sites on the net with maps marking fruit trees on public properties21:18
seidosnah, there's a peach in the fridge.  we're stocked here21:18
seidosthere are som fig trees in the neighborhood21:18
seidosya, you showed me those.  haven't used them21:18
iheartubuntufresh fig jam is selling for $10 a jar in pasadena21:19
iheartubuntuthere is always dumpster diving... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VlFJsuBjA021:19
* seidos muses about public farms21:19
seidosi am not desperate enough to dumpster dive21:19
iheartubuntu(interesting video)21:19
iheartubuntuwatch it. might change your mind21:19
seidosi was thinking if i had to i would just sit at a place, and wait for people to either a. buy me stuff, or b.  throw away stuff21:20
seidosthere's an ashram down the street that does free lunch daily21:20
seidoswell, donations are welcome21:20
iheartubuntusomeone here might like this. converting an old radio into an mp3 speaker... http://artofmanliness.com/2011/09/19/how-to-make-an-old-time-radio-into-an-mp3-player-speaker/21:43
seidosdownload files, can't unrar :(22:01
seidosunrar-free didn't do the trick22:01
seidosbetter download diff files, and stay away from rar archives :D22:04
kdubdang, i missed philballew22:09
kdubwas gonna see if he still needed a grahpics card22:09
seidoshe'll be back, or send him a memo22:10
MarkDudeWay cool link iheartubuntu22:14
iheartubuntuthe vid?22:15
MarkDudeThe mps radio thing22:17
iheartubuntuAfter seeing other peoples dumpster diving treasures on youtube, i might just have to try it out :)22:18
iheartubuntuone guy sports a LCD monitor and a wifi card. maybe i can get my modem there :)22:18
seidosmaybe i could find a pair of pants, i need a new pair after i got paint on my jeans22:31
seidosthey had like 3 pairs of pants at good will, for like $7 ea22:32
seidosbut free is better than $22:32
seidosthere is some anime version of marvel comics on g4 tv o_o22:33
seidosthe voice work is pretty sad :(22:34
MarkDudeG4 has gotten more sad since they no longer have Leo22:35
* MarkDude watches that show Morgan Webb is on, and the one with Kevin whats his name22:36
MarkDudeand their usually roving not too good of a role model woman they rotate, Show is decent, although it still offends my UW and Geek Feminism sensibilities22:37
kduboh oh, i know. attack of the show22:40
MarkDudeyep that is it22:49
MarkDudeSome of their bits are pretty funny22:49
pleia215:48:44 <&R2D2>  Current Temperature for San Francisco, California: 90 F/32.2 C22:52
pleia2dislike :(22:52
pleia2kdub: take your weather back, I don't want it22:52
rwwit's 33°C here :P22:52
akkpleia2: It's probably not much hotter than that in Burbank!22:52
MarkDudeSF is melting now22:53
pleia2I suspect this is that one week per year when I hate living in a high rise with no A/C and we start planning massive air conditioning contraptions to fix it :)22:53
pleia2but then it gets cool again and we say "we surivived! no contraptions needed!"22:54
MarkDudeIt rarely gets that hot22:54
* MarkDude does not understand how icce cream stores there stay making money22:54
MarkDudeGet a little kid pool for your living room, maybe cats will join you22:55
pleia2lol22:55
pleia2I'll just go hang out on the roof deck after work, even when it's hot the breeze is nice up there :)22:55
MarkDudeYou have nice cool ocean sorta close also22:56
MarkDudeOr just go hangout at coffee shop that is cool22:56
pleia2the ocean is aaaaalll the way on the other side of the city22:56
MarkDudeSF is 7 miles by 722:56
MarkDude:D22:56
MarkDudeNot LA miles either22:57
pleia2yeah, so it's like 6.5 miles away22:57
pleia2hehe22:57
philipballewIts weird how its cold here in sd yet hot in nor cal23:04
* MarkDude does not miss Santa Ana winds in SD23:06
MarkDude100+ degrees at night time is not fun23:06
philipballewyeah. in auburn over summer  it was hitin 95 at like 10 pm23:07
pleia2but SD has air conditioning :)23:07
philipballewi can see the ocean from here. but i have never ever been.23:07
pleia2ocean++23:07
philipballewI took a shower today, it seems about that same23:08
philipballewsame effect right?23:08
pleia2no, ocean is salty and has fish in it, and sand!23:08
* philipballew is a ocean noob23:08
philipballewdolphins!23:09
pleia2I grew up next to the other one23:09
philipballewive been to the other one before. Probably goin to nh this summer23:09
seidoscoral!23:09
philipballewNemo!!!23:09
seidoslol23:09
pleia2nh barely has a coast23:09
pleia2it's like 2 ft long23:09
philipballewi can see maines border from its cost!23:10
philipballewmaine is cooler imo23:10
pleia2I agree23:10
philipballewi like nh ans there no seatbelt laws23:10
philipballew*and23:10
philipballewbut thats just me growing up in ca all my life and having something opposite23:11
philipballewits a different place there23:11
pleia2http://princessleia.com/images/maine/park4.jpg is from the park across the street from where I grew up23:11
pleia2I practically lived at that park as a kid23:12
philipballewTHats a really good view23:12
* MarkDude has a friend that lived in Hawaii for 7 years and does NOT know how to swim, 23:12
MarkDudethought that was pretty epic23:12
MarkDudeShe grew up in Cali also. Dont most of learn to swim when we are younger?23:13
akkThat's really sad.23:13
akkI have known quite a few californians who couldn't swim.23:13
philipballewhttp://www.pointloma.edu/sites/default/files/imagecache/landing2_1col_banner/landing2_banner/wiley_0.jpg23:13
MarkDudeIt is. She apprently still went in water tho,23:13
akkIt's apparently fairly common in low income/black/hispanic backgrounds.23:14
pleia2I love water, so learning how to swim was pretty much required23:14
philipballew^where I live as well currently23:14
akk(no easy pool access)23:14
philipballewdo you go swimming now ever pleia2 ?23:14
pleia2philipballew: nice!23:14
pleia2well, not in the ocean :)23:14
MarkDudeHow often does Maine get really hot?23:14
pleia2but we travel enough to hotels with pools23:14
pleia2MarkDude: about one week per year it'll get up in the the 90s for a few days23:15
MarkDudepleia2: lies, I heard she surfs at Half Moon Bay frequently23:15
MarkDude:D23:15
pleia2but the rest of the time it's in the 70s and low 80s in the summer23:15
pleia2oh yeah, that's me, surfer extraordinaire23:15
pleia2:P23:15
MarkDudeLyz and great white sharks23:15
pleia2sharks are awesome23:15
MarkDudewell awesome at distance23:16
pleia2or behind glass :)23:16
MarkDudeup close I imagine they could kinda suck23:16
pleia2sharks in aquariums are fun!23:16
akkor in documentaries23:16
MarkDudeyes23:16
seidosworse, they could kinda' bite23:16
philipballewhaha, if your ever in sd ill show you good beaches23:16
akkphilipballew: Bay area ocean water is MUCH colder than LA/SD.23:17
akkthat current coming down from Alaska23:17
seidosi saw some surfers coming out of the beach when i was last in SF23:17
* MarkDude heard mark S has a sharktank under his desk, and he can push a button to drop people from seat into it (like james Bond villain) 23:17
seidoswetsuits, of course23:17
MarkDudeEven Venice beach was pretty cold23:17
seidosMarkDude: that's scary.  if Mark S is villain, then who's Bond?23:18
MarkDudeSD really has nice water with suits not normally needed23:18
iheartubuntuNH is nice!23:18
MarkDudewell, not that he is is bad guy23:18
seidosthe water is cold here, it's been warm once or twice that i've been23:18
seidosinterestingly, the water cleared up when it warmed up too23:18
MarkDudemore that just having options is a rich persons pleasure23:18
seidosStallman...Richard Stallman23:19
pleia2MarkDude: I think you're projecting, YOU want a shark tank under your desk :)23:19
seidosit kind of works23:19
* MarkDude is sure you would settle more for spring powered ejection seat if you had much money seidos 23:19
MarkDudeNot that part Lyz23:19
seidosi would want a trap door at starbucks23:19
seidosnobody ever visits me here :P23:19
iheartubuntuIve not been to maine though. mostly VT and NH23:19
MarkDudeBut the joke I have about Mark S having his own military with Ubuntu logos on their jumpsuits and also jetpacks23:20
seidosnever been to Maine here either.  MD and D.C.'s about it23:20
MarkDudethat is for sure projection on my part23:20
MarkDude:D. It is one of the reasons I respect him so much. To have ALL that money, and not just be selfish, but to create sumthin like Ubuntu is VERY cool23:21
* MarkDude thinks most of us would think we would do similar, but, may not if actually given the chance23:21
seidosi'd probably spend all the money and end up penniless23:22
seidosor, have $623:22
MarkDudeSince the dude had enough money to buy island, and leave society23:22
MarkDudeI could see you doing that seidos23:22
MarkDude$ is passing23:23
seidosprobably wouldn't be so bad if i spent it on the right things/orgs/people :P23:23
seidosironically, not 4 years ago i couldn't see myself doing something like that23:24
jyoDean Kamen (Segway dude) actually bought an island.23:24
seidosand died?23:25
seidosnope, different guy23:28
iheartubuntuyou wont be able to dumpster dive if youre the only person on the island though23:29
MarkDudeWell seidos - growth happens23:29
* MarkDude was able to get thru that segway dude dying without making comments about irony23:31
MarkDudeshall continue to do so now (not easy tho.)23:31
iheartubuntuthanks all for the help today!23:31
* MarkDude will look to see if I have old school modem23:32
MarkDudebtw iheartubuntu , the seeds i got from you have turned out epic23:32
MarkDudetomoatoes were great. I kept one, gave to 2 other friends23:32
iheartubuntuwow awesome! my tomatoes are slow this year. maybe i started them too late23:35
iheartubuntuthen again they are all in wine barrels now and not in the ground23:35
akkWhere do you get wine barrels?23:36
MarkDudeNapa23:36
MarkDude;)23:36
MarkDudeI have mine in 5 gallon container, and have bottom 20% in ground, they really like that23:37

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