[00:57] <philipballew> what kernel is 11.10 gonna have
[00:58] <rww> 3.0
[00:59] <rww> I think it's Linux 3.0.3 specifically right now
[00:59] <philipballew> hum. i need to find out when 3.2 comes out or just manually install a wifi driver for a friend
[00:59] <philipballew> hrd to tell sometimes
[01:44] <gua> philipballew: rolling your own packages is kind of nice for situations like that. you can set the package to conflict with the kernel that has the driver, so if/when they upgrade to the kernel that has the driver, your package will be automatically uninstalled
[01:47] <philipballew> gua, is there an easy way to turn http://homepage.uibk.ac.at/~c705283/archives/2011/09/04/linux_support_for_broadcom_4331_wireless_chip_macbook_pro_81/index.html what this is telling me to do into a few clicks deb?
[01:48] <philipballew> i'm trying to help a friend with his new install of ubuntu
[01:48] <gua> philipballew: anything you can script you can put into a deb
[01:48] <gua> there are preinstall and postinstall scripts you can do all kind of fancy things with
[01:49] <gua> although if creating the package is "easy" or not is up to each person
[01:49] <philipballew> hum. i just dont see "the average ubuntu" user compiling anything you know what i mean?
[01:51] <gua> philipballew: yeah, ideally that would be the case
[01:53] <philipballew> but its not gonna be in till the 3.2 kernal or something
[02:07] <gua> philipballew: hm. well for it to remove itself you need to know what version of the kernel will have the driver. so you could have one package that doesn't conflict, but then make an updated version of the package that does conflict when you do know
[02:09] <philipballew> maybe i could make a ppa
[02:12] <philipballew> but gua I need to learn packaging better
[02:17] <gua> philipballew: yeah but this is a good opportunity! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Basic
[02:18] <gua> for custom personal packages you can cut corners in a lot of places, if you want
[02:19] <philipballew> how long gua would you say it takes to learn packaging?
[02:20] <gua> philipballew: i'm not really sure. i'm still learning myself.
[02:21] <philipballew> to build your own probably not to long
[02:53] <seidos> anyone else watch hanna last night?
[02:55] <seidos> oh, and hi everybody!
[02:56] <gua> hi dr nick
[02:56] <seidos> gua!
[02:56] <gua> who is hanna and why are people watching her?
[02:56] <gua> seidos!
[02:56] <seidos> it's the title of a movie
[02:56] <seidos> and a character in said movie
[02:56] <gua> oh right, that looks good
[02:56] <gua> was it on tv or something?
[02:56] <seidos> i just watched it
[02:56] <seidos> i'm going to watch trading places next
[02:57] <gua> i haven't seen it
[02:57] <gua> haha. you're doing the last season i take it
[02:57] <seidos> last season?
[02:57] <gua> of movies
[02:57] <gua> those both sound like they've been in theatres recently
[02:58] <seidos> nah, i'm going with what they are doing with this fadnight madnight thing in ##club-ubuntu
[02:58] <seidos> "hanna" was 2011, "trading places" was like 1983
[02:59] <gua> ah that's neat
[02:59] <seidos> word
[16:31]  * nhaines loves ramen.
[16:47] <nhaines> akk: do you love ramen too?
[16:48] <akk> "love" might be overstating it, but I like it
[16:48] <nhaines> I just finished some instant ramen.  It was nice.
[16:55] <kdub> yuk
[16:57] <seidos> for some reason ramen that's wrapped in those bags are better than in a cup
[16:57] <seidos> plus, you can add peas and corn to it
[16:57] <akk> Agreed, the bag kind is much better than the cup kind.
[16:57] <nhaines> You can do that with the cup, too, although this cup ramen already had peas and corn.
[16:57] <seidos> it's just not the same
[16:57] <akk> I like adding broccoli or mixed veggies.
[16:57] <bkerensa> There is this Sake factory in Berkeley they make amazing Cherry Sake and serve Ramen plus they have a glass floor and the factory is below :D
[16:58] <nhaines> Unfortunately I stick to cup ramen at work for the convenience.  At least I have my own chopsticks.
[16:58] <akk> The cup kind, I think, pre-cooks the noodles more and the noodles are shorter (to fit in the cup).
[16:58] <seidos> ramen and sake?  that's different
[16:58] <akk> You can do the bag kind in a microwave too, but you have to have a big bowl.
[16:58] <seidos> sake and udon sounds feasible...but ramen?  that's news.
[16:59] <seidos> does it taste the same akk?
[16:59] <seidos> never microwaved the bag kind
[16:59] <nhaines> akk: it's only the bowl I lack, not the desire.  :)
[16:59] <akk> It does! Nuke the water alone for about 6.5 min, then put the noodles & powder in,
[16:59] <akk> cover with a plate and let it sit for another 5 or so min.
[16:59] <seidos> interesting, more efficient to microwave.  will have to do that
[16:59] <akk> It's a lot quicker and easier than using a pot on the stove.
[17:00] <nhaines> How are we making bag ramen without a microwave?  Pot of water on the stove?
[17:00] <seidos> "we" aren't.
[17:00] <nhaines> Today I just used the hot water from the coffee machine.  Might start nuking, though, but I don't have a spouted cup.
[17:01] <seidos> that's another option, we have an electric water boiler
[17:01] <bkerensa> May sound gross but try Parmesan cheese in the Ramen
[17:01] <akk> Water from the coffee machine works with cup ramen but probably not with bagged (those precooked noodles).
[17:01] <seidos> doesn't sound gross to me, but i'm a freak
[17:01] <akk> I used to know someone who lived almost entirely on noodles&parmesan.
[17:01] <nhaines> akk: probably not.  The vegetables weren't rehydrated properly anyway.
[17:02] <seidos> it's essentially cheese and bread
[17:02]  * akk hasn't had parmesan in a long time, married to someone who has an anti-parmesan gene, literally
[17:02] <bkerensa> lol
[17:02] <tardis> that exists?
[17:02]  * bkerensa buys a big thing of it every month
[17:02] <bkerensa> :D
[17:02] <bkerensa> costco size
[17:03] <akk> It does! There's a gene that makes parmesan smell like vomit and makes lobster and crab completely tasteless.
[17:03] <tardis> akk: ... that explains so much
[17:03] <akk> Same gene, apparently. (Bodies are so cool.)
[17:03] <bkerensa> although my eating habits are negligent towards my health
[17:03] <bkerensa> :P
[17:03]  * bkerensa also has a mini fridge stocked with fizz beverages always
[17:04] <akk> A different gene makes broccoli and cabbage relatives taste bitter to some people.
[17:04] <bkerensa> akk: do you like kimchi?
[17:04] <akk> no
[17:04] <tardis> science is awesome
[17:05] <akk> well, I like japanese kimchee, not the fermented korean kind
[17:05] <nhaines> Oh, I've only had the fermented Korean kind.
[17:07] <akk> The Japanese kind is just cabbage mildly picked (in vinegar, I think).
[17:07] <nhaines> Frankly if i pickled cabbage and stored it and it came out like kimchi after storage, I wouldn't have eaten it.
[17:07] <seidos> for some reason vinegar reeks on its own, but i <3 pickled things
[17:08] <seidos> perhaps it requires spices to taste decent
[17:08] <seidos> hey MarkDude
[17:08] <akk> Same here -- I dislike the smell of vinegar, and can't stand mustard or tabasco because they're so vinegary
[17:09] <akk> but it's just fine in salad dressing or pickles, go figure
[17:09] <bkerensa> Has anyone ever ate Silkworm Pupa?
[17:09] <seidos> i <3 mustard and don't hate tabasco
[17:09] <MarkDude> Hello seidos , everyone
[17:10] <akk> hi MarkDude
[17:10] <nhaines> bkerensa: hard to say... I don't always study my salads before I start eating them...
[17:10]  * bkerensa might try Silkworm Pupa for the first time tomorrow.... I said on my blog that if I win the About.me NYC Time Square Contest I would eat a can of Silkworm Pupa from Korea
[17:10] <bkerensa> =o
[17:10] <bkerensa> and as of right now I'm somewhere in the lead with 1100 votes =)
[17:11] <seidos> it can't taste any worse than this green powder drink that i've been drink
[17:12] <bkerensa> seidos: idk my cousin's husband ate some during their honeymoon in Korea and almost warfed.... For some reason they brought me a can
[17:12]  * MarkDude might try a pupa, fusion cuising with a pupusa, just for the alliterative value
[17:12] <MarkDude> Good writing on your blog bkerensa
[17:12] <akk> pupa pupusas!
[17:13]  * MarkDude thought the headline for the tech crunch thing might have been toooo much, UNTIL I read the stuff their CEO dude said, 
[17:14] <bkerensa> lol
[17:14] <bkerensa> yeah
[17:14] <bkerensa> Editor
[17:14] <MarkDude> Do you know how hard it is to out douchbag Miki Arrington?
[17:14] <MarkDude> sp ^^^^ needs an e
[17:14] <bkerensa> and Erick Schonfeld is a nobody... He just sucked up to Arianna Huffington in a attempt to stab Michael Arrington on his way out
[17:14] <bkerensa> MarkDude: It is pretty hard
[17:15] <MarkDude> Arrington is the gold standard
[17:15] <MarkDude> So this dude might be platinum
[17:15] <MarkDude> :D
[17:17] <bkerensa> MarkDude: I might steam down to San Francisco from Charleston, OR with my cousin in a month or two if I go work on his boat for a bit
[17:18] <MarkDude> Awesome
[17:18] <MarkDude> please tell me it somehow involves you wearing 3 piece old timey suit, as well as top hat
[17:19] <MarkDude> Possibly a monocle
[17:19] <bkerensa> Yeah :D I wanna go out to sea... Its been awhile but I don't like the idea of sleeping on the sea on a medium vessel
[17:19] <bkerensa> lol
[17:19] <bkerensa> nah will be doing some crabbing
[17:19]  * MarkDude will help start kickstarter for such a purpose
[17:20] <bkerensa> :P
[17:26] <MarkDude> Silkworms are most likely tasty when fried
[17:26] <MarkDude> as most things are
[17:26] <MarkDude> Mmmm, crunchy
[17:26] <akk> Or drenched in garlic butter -- if it works for snails, it'll surely work for silkworms.
[17:27]  * MarkDude is hella glad this was all logged, future generations to have ideas of our culinary sensibilities :D
[17:27] <MarkDude> Garlic butter - FTW
[17:27]  * akk pities anyone who reads the logs for this channel
[17:28] <MarkDude> lol
[17:28] <MarkDude> 20% MarkDude ramblin' crap
[17:28] <MarkDude> XD
[17:28] <MarkDude> Better than when my % was higher
[17:29]  * MarkDude suggests the topic here could read, now with 50% MarkDude's crazy ramblings
[17:29]  * bkerensa will never eat snails
[17:30] <bkerensa> although I did eat Foie Gras at the Yelp Party on Saturday http://youtu.be/rXkt7USXIPw
[17:31] <seidos> akk what's worse, reading the logs, or chatting live?  o_o
[17:31] <bkerensa> and it was good but not something I would ever buy.... It tasted like a salty yet fruity mousse
[17:31] <seidos> what's everyone doing today?  i need some ideas
[17:32] <seidos> i was considering riding down wilshire and walking into buildings that looked interesting
[17:32] <nhaines> I'm working.
[17:32] <seidos> either that or finding solitude in a public park
[17:32] <akk> We'll be (I hope) picking up a CD of PETscan results, after which I can spend the next month trying to figure out how to read them in Linux.
[17:32] <seidos> j-o-b
[17:33] <bkerensa> seidos: Uhh... reviewing gadgets today
[17:33] <nhaines> I should review gadgets.
[17:34] <bkerensa> indeed
[17:34]  * bkerensa is kinda irritated at once company right now
[17:34] <bkerensa> they sent me two of their fancy mouses and they do not work on Linux
[17:36] <bkerensa> I guess at this point I might soon setup a Windows 7 box just for Windows specific products =/ but this kinda hit me from left field
[17:36] <rww> Mice that don't work on Linux? Even Microsoft isn't that silly.
[17:36]  * rww snuggles his Intellimouse
[17:36] <bkerensa> LOL
[17:36] <bkerensa> rww: Yeah Smartfish
[17:37]  * bkerensa needs to make friends with a PR nerd from Logitech... Maybe MarkDude knows someone ;)
[17:39] <MarkDude> Uh, Nixie Pixel
[17:39] <MarkDude> She wants to help the Cali Ubuntu team more
[17:40] <MarkDude> Oregon is not that far away, plus your publicity skills are 2nd to none bkerensa
[17:41] <MarkDude> https://picasaweb.google.com/105095769731159704550/NixiePixelLogitechTreyarch#5537406551541712482
[17:42] <bkerensa> MarkDude: I just need to know who the AOR is for Logitech
[17:43] <MarkDude> I am talking to Nixie this week sometime, I can ask her
[17:44] <MarkDude> She found a place in SF, most likely
[17:44] <MarkDude> Near Death Guild no less ( a goth club)
[17:46] <pleia2> isn't it DNA Lounge which hosts Death Guild?
[17:47] <pleia2> yeah
[17:47] <MarkDude> Yep
[17:47] <MarkDude> Where we had the Karmic Koala party
[17:47]  * pleia2 nods
[17:48] <pleia2> I have friends there, but we all remember what I said about parties ;)
[17:54] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Have you ever been to the MoonStar restaurant in SF?
[18:02]  * MarkDude went there with Nixie and like 10 geeks. One of the most bizarre experiences in my life. 
[18:03]  * MarkDude know weird, so consider the relativeness
[18:06] <iheartubuntu> hi all. Im trying to help a wheelchair bound ubuntu user here in SoCal. He visited us at the recent Ubuntu Hour and is having dial up problems.
[18:06] <iheartubuntu>  I visited him to try and solve his issues, but got no where :)
[18:07] <iheartubuntu> when using gnome-ppp or kppp (or even wvdial) i get a NO CARRIER message
[18:07] <iheartubuntu> the modem works and dials out fine, but never connects to his ISP
[18:08] <nhaines> This is a strange definition of "works" to me.
[18:08] <iheartubuntu> I signed up to another ISP and get the same NO CARRIER results
[18:08]  * rww gets horrifying flashbacks to AOL dialup on Linux
[18:08] <iheartubuntu> Well, many winmodems just dont work in linux so his does appear to work fine as it does dial out, attempts the connection, etc
[18:09] <iheartubuntu> his dialup did work about a month ago
[18:09] <seidos> was he using linux a month ago?
[18:09] <iheartubuntu> yes
[18:09] <seidos> what changed?
[18:09] <iheartubuntu> he has used ubuntu for 5 years using this same modem
[18:10] <nhaines> If the modem doesn't connect regardless of the other end and times out, his modem doesn't actually appear to work.
[18:10] <iheartubuntu> im having a difficult time finding another modem (that doesnt cost $50)
[18:10] <nhaines> Does the modem work with DOS or Windows?
[18:10] <seidos> it works to a degree if it dials
[18:10] <iheartubuntu> i was unable to test this
[18:10] <nhaines> (And yes, modems cost around $50.)
[18:11] <iheartubuntu> he has an external modem
[18:11] <iheartubuntu> im going to start a ticket with his ISP to see if the problem is on their end also, but the other ISP i signed up for does not connect either
[18:11] <seidos> so the version of ubuntu changed, and now he can't connect iheartubuntu ?
[18:11] <nhaines> That makes it pretty clear it's not the ISP.
[18:11] <iheartubuntu> he has been using 10.04 LTS for a while now
[18:12] <nhaines> I'd test to see if it worked with a different OS, and I'd check to see if it works with different phone lines.
[18:12] <iheartubuntu> I have tried various init strings also with no positive effect
[18:13] <iheartubuntu> he is on an extremely fixed income so DSL is a last resort
[18:14] <nhaines> No one suggested that.
[18:14] <iheartubuntu> he did
[18:14] <seidos> it's the elephant in the room
[18:14] <nhaines> It's not really.  The modem hasn't been properly tested.
[18:14] <nhaines> Do that first, then worry about replacing it.
[18:15] <iheartubuntu> there are several wifi networks in his area
[18:15] <iheartubuntu> i recommended paying $5 to a neighbor or something for a connection
[18:15] <nhaines> You can probably get cheap DSL for $20 with slow speeds, so that might not be out of the question.  But the modem hasn't been properly tested.
[18:15] <iheartubuntu> He is paying like $7 for dial up right now
[18:16] <iheartubuntu> nhaines... picking your brain... your next step would be test them modem elsewhere? another computer? another OS? another phone line?
[18:17] <nhaines> Yes, in that order.
[18:17] <iheartubuntu> another problem he is having.... during boot up the modem attempts to dial out
[18:17] <iheartubuntu> before the computer reaches the login screen
[18:17] <iheartubuntu> he said this is a new thing that started happening a month ago also
[18:17] <nhaines> That's a computer configuration issue.
[18:18] <iheartubuntu> he said someone came over to help him and he did not remember if the person installed stuff or not
[18:18] <iheartubuntu> i did not see anything added out of the norm
[18:19] <iheartubuntu> the computer itself is buggy and the cdrom never worked to run ubuntu as a livecd
[18:20] <nhaines> Then there's no reason to expect anything else to work either.
[18:20] <nhaines> How did he install Linux?
[18:21] <iheartubuntu> someone did it for him
[18:21] <iheartubuntu> and they all arent returning his calls anymore
[18:22] <iheartubuntu> the USB was buggy too
[18:22] <iheartubuntu> sometimes it would work, sometimes it wouldnt
[18:32] <iheartubuntu> thanks nhaines i will give it shot
[18:40]  * greg-g is finally back in SF from Warsaw
[18:40] <pleia2> welcome back
[18:42] <iheartubuntu> how was warsaw?
[18:58] <greg-g> warsaw was awesome. Definitely a great city to visit
[18:58] <greg-g> I wish i had more time there
[18:58] <nhaines> Sounds like the system may be failing, and Linux is often much less forgiving of bad hardware than Windows.  Might be time for him to start saving for a new computer.
[19:01] <akk> I missed the middle of the convo, but sometimes dialup sites change a protocol or something, and dialup software has to be adjusted to compensate.
[19:01] <akk> I remember needing to do that now and then when I used dialup.
[19:02] <akk> (Come to think of it, I've had to do something similar with wifi too.)
[19:03] <nhaines> akk: there's a bit where it's slowly revealed that the CD drive didn't work to run a live CD, the USB ports are buggy, the system generally is buggy, and the user didn't install Linux himself.
[19:03]  * kdub 's shiny new desktop parts come today 
[19:04] <DarkwingDuck> If things work out, this is going to be an EPIC SCaLE
[19:04] <akk> oh, that does sound bad, nhaines
[19:05] <iheartubuntu> since i have to make a trip to his place, im going to contact his ISP in a futile attempt to save driving time. maybe they can offer some advice... although his ISP is low cost and the one I found is free dialup... both have the end result of "no carrier"
[19:05] <iheartubuntu> he is using lafn.org
[19:06] <iheartubuntu> and i signed up for http://www.socalfree.net/
[19:07] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: UbuCon is good to go for SCaLE.
[19:22] <raevol> DarkwingDuck: :D
[19:41] <iheartubuntu> nahaines - could you suggest anything I could do to check why the dialup modem would be dialing out on boot up? It seems odd to me any program would attempt this on boot up. Both gnome-ppp and kppp require user to open the program first to connect.
[19:44] <akk> Doesn't ubuntu try to do various networky things when it starts up ... thus triggering any "automatically start the network" scripts that might be set up?
[19:45] <akk> NTP, perhaps
[19:49] <iheartubuntu> the person Im helping said it never did this "before"
[19:49] <iheartubuntu> and the only thing i can think of is... before someone last came and helped him
[19:50] <iheartubuntu> he doesnt have much to back up... evolution file, bookmarks, and some docs. He has an 8GB chip which should be overkill unless his evolution file contains 20 years worth of emails (which it might!)
[19:51] <iheartubuntu> im even considering wiping and doing a fresh install
[19:51] <iheartubuntu> maybe i can bring an external DVD drive and an USB drive with ubuntu on it and do the install
[19:51] <iheartubuntu> one of those will work, eventually.
[19:52] <iheartubuntu> i think this would clear up whatever other people have done to his machine
[19:52] <nhaines> he has what kind of chip?
[19:52] <iheartubuntu> in the modem
[19:53] <iheartubuntu> ?
[19:53] <iheartubuntu> not sure
[19:53] <iheartubuntu> this might help me create the proper init string too if i knew
[19:53] <nhaines> If it's external, it doesn't matter.
[19:53] <nhaines> You said he has an 8GB chip.
[19:53] <iheartubuntu> no? yes, its external
[19:53] <iheartubuntu> yes he does
[19:54] <nhaines> What kind of chip?
[19:54] <iheartubuntu> 8gb USB chip
[19:54] <iheartubuntu> :) kettle cooked potato chip :)
[19:55] <iheartubuntu> not sure if the comp could even boot from a USB stick anyways
[19:55] <nhaines> An 8GB flash drive?
[19:57] <iheartubuntu> correct
[20:03] <nhaines> Well, if his networking is set up properly, the machine will dial out any time it wants to access the network.  And the system will try to bring up networking during startup.  So this is totally normal.
[20:03] <nhaines> I would check /etc/network/interfaces to make sure it's not configured there.
[20:06] <iheartubuntu> i thought dialup is no longer added in network manager anymore
[20:06] <iheartubuntu> so i was using gnome-ppp instead
[20:15] <iheartubuntu> I got through to his ISP
[20:15] <iheartubuntu> they said the modem had not made any connections to them in the last month, signifying the modem is failing and to replace it
[20:16] <iheartubuntu> are there any .conf or config files i can check to see if any programs are trying to dial out upon boot up?
[20:33] <MarkDude> Try puppy Linux too, if you can iheartubuntu
[20:34] <MarkDude> The networking options are great. Since boot is so quick, you can try a few ways of doing it
[20:34] <iheartubuntu> I wonder if anyone would have an extra 56k external modem to donate?
[20:35] <MarkDude> The newest 1st, followed by 4.20+, and 2.16+
[20:35]  * MarkDude does
[20:35] <MarkDude> Unless I got rid of them , since I figured they were not used. I am pretty sure I have at least 2 tho
[20:35] <iheartubuntu> the computer he has came from a company, so it is a very small box, no room for an internal modem
[20:56] <kdub> wats a "56k modem"?
[20:57] <iheartubuntu> amen to that
[20:57] <kdub> i think i have one, but the drivers are on a 5" floppy disk ;-)
[20:57] <kdub> zing
[21:01] <seidos> 5.25" zing zing
[21:02] <nhaines> I didn't say anything about Network Manager, I said try checking the setup for /etc/network/interfaces
[21:05] <seidos> iheartubuntu: maybe check craigslist.  it's a long shot, but thrift shops may have something if there are any where you live.
[21:06] <iheartubuntu> hey great idea. i have a few on my way home from work
[21:07] <seidos> yeah!  tell me what they have, maybe i'll get something.  i have $6.  :P
[21:08] <seidos> hi philipballew
[21:08] <iheartubuntu> OK :)
[21:08] <iheartubuntu> i picked up a digital dart board for $5 last time :)
[21:08] <iheartubuntu> now if they only sold beer
[21:08] <seidos> they may have tea
[21:08] <iheartubuntu> from the 1970s
[21:08] <seidos> i <3 tea
[21:09] <seidos> hmmm, would it still be good?
[21:09] <seidos> only one way to find out!
[21:09] <philipballew> hey seidos !!!
[21:09] <seidos> i was drinking a glass of green tea at starbucks last week, and it looked like a glass of pale ale
[21:10] <seidos> too bad they don't have a bar to sit at
[21:11] <seidos> hey philipballew, are things well?
[21:11] <nhaines> I need to reinstate my plan to buy a DEC VT320.
[21:12] <philipballew> i think seidos just doin the college thing
[21:12] <seidos> so many things to buy, so little $
[21:12] <seidos> word
[21:13] <seidos> philipballew: i was thinking of going to west la college to find a nice tree to study under
[21:15] <philipballew> study what?
[21:15] <seidos> gravity
[21:15] <seidos> :D
[21:16] <philipballew> will a apple fall on your head!
[21:16] <seidos> they probably don't have fruit trees :(
[21:16] <philipballew> plant one :)
[21:17] <seidos> and i can't ride my bike to oxford or cambridge
[21:17] <seidos> there's an idea
[21:17] <iheartubuntu> u need fruit?
[21:18] <iheartubuntu> there are some sites on the net with maps marking fruit trees on public properties
[21:18] <seidos> nah, there's a peach in the fridge.  we're stocked here
[21:18] <seidos> there are som fig trees in the neighborhood
[21:18] <seidos> ya, you showed me those.  haven't used them
[21:19] <iheartubuntu> fresh fig jam is selling for $10 a jar in pasadena
[21:19] <iheartubuntu> there is always dumpster diving... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VlFJsuBjA0
[21:19]  * seidos muses about public farms
[21:19] <seidos> i am not desperate enough to dumpster dive
[21:19] <iheartubuntu> (interesting video)
[21:19] <iheartubuntu> watch it. might change your mind
[21:20] <seidos> i was thinking if i had to i would just sit at a place, and wait for people to either a. buy me stuff, or b.  throw away stuff
[21:20] <seidos> there's an ashram down the street that does free lunch daily
[21:20] <seidos> well, donations are welcome
[21:43] <iheartubuntu> someone here might like this. converting an old radio into an mp3 speaker... http://artofmanliness.com/2011/09/19/how-to-make-an-old-time-radio-into-an-mp3-player-speaker/
[22:01] <seidos> download files, can't unrar :(
[22:01] <seidos> unrar-free didn't do the trick
[22:04] <seidos> better download diff files, and stay away from rar archives :D
[22:09] <kdub> dang, i missed philballew
[22:09] <kdub> was gonna see if he still needed a grahpics card
[22:10] <seidos> he'll be back, or send him a memo
[22:14] <MarkDude> Way cool link iheartubuntu
[22:15] <iheartubuntu> the vid?
[22:17] <MarkDude> The mps radio thing
[22:18] <iheartubuntu> After seeing other peoples dumpster diving treasures on youtube, i might just have to try it out :)
[22:18] <iheartubuntu> one guy sports a LCD monitor and a wifi card. maybe i can get my modem there :)
[22:31] <seidos> maybe i could find a pair of pants, i need a new pair after i got paint on my jeans
[22:32] <seidos> they had like 3 pairs of pants at good will, for like $7 ea
[22:32] <seidos> but free is better than $
[22:33] <seidos> there is some anime version of marvel comics on g4 tv o_o
[22:34] <seidos> the voice work is pretty sad :(
[22:35] <MarkDude> G4 has gotten more sad since they no longer have Leo
[22:36]  * MarkDude watches that show Morgan Webb is on, and the one with Kevin whats his name
[22:37] <MarkDude> and their usually roving not too good of a role model woman they rotate, Show is decent, although it still offends my UW and Geek Feminism sensibilities
[22:40] <kdub> oh oh, i know. attack of the show
[22:49] <MarkDude> yep that is it
[22:49] <MarkDude> Some of their bits are pretty funny
[22:52] <pleia2> 15:48:44 <&R2D2>  Current Temperature for San Francisco, California: 90 F/32.2 C
[22:52] <pleia2> dislike :(
[22:52] <pleia2> kdub: take your weather back, I don't want it
[22:52] <rww> it's 33°C here :P
[22:52] <akk> pleia2: It's probably not much hotter than that in Burbank!
[22:53] <MarkDude> SF is melting now
[22:53] <pleia2> I suspect this is that one week per year when I hate living in a high rise with no A/C and we start planning massive air conditioning contraptions to fix it :)
[22:54] <pleia2> but then it gets cool again and we say "we surivived! no contraptions needed!"
[22:54] <MarkDude> It rarely gets that hot
[22:54]  * MarkDude does not understand how icce cream stores there stay making money
[22:55] <MarkDude> Get a little kid pool for your living room, maybe cats will join you
[22:55] <pleia2> lol
[22:55] <pleia2> I'll just go hang out on the roof deck after work, even when it's hot the breeze is nice up there :)
[22:56] <MarkDude> You have nice cool ocean sorta close also
[22:56] <MarkDude> Or just go hangout at coffee shop that is cool
[22:56] <pleia2> the ocean is aaaaalll the way on the other side of the city
[22:56] <MarkDude> SF is 7 miles by 7
[22:56] <MarkDude> :D
[22:57] <MarkDude> Not LA miles either
[22:57] <pleia2> yeah, so it's like 6.5 miles away
[22:57] <pleia2> hehe
[23:04] <philipballew> Its weird how its cold here in sd yet hot in nor cal
[23:06]  * MarkDude does not miss Santa Ana winds in SD
[23:06] <MarkDude> 100+ degrees at night time is not fun
[23:07] <philipballew> yeah. in auburn over summer  it was hitin 95 at like 10 pm
[23:07] <pleia2> but SD has air conditioning :)
[23:07] <philipballew> i can see the ocean from here. but i have never ever been.
[23:07] <pleia2> ocean++
[23:08] <philipballew> I took a shower today, it seems about that same
[23:08] <philipballew> same effect right?
[23:08] <pleia2> no, ocean is salty and has fish in it, and sand!
[23:08]  * philipballew is a ocean noob
[23:09] <philipballew> dolphins!
[23:09] <pleia2> I grew up next to the other one
[23:09] <philipballew> ive been to the other one before. Probably goin to nh this summer
[23:09] <seidos> coral!
[23:09] <philipballew> Nemo!!!
[23:09] <seidos> lol
[23:09] <pleia2> nh barely has a coast
[23:09] <pleia2> it's like 2 ft long
[23:10] <philipballew> i can see maines border from its cost!
[23:10] <philipballew> maine is cooler imo
[23:10] <pleia2> I agree
[23:10] <philipballew> i like nh ans there no seatbelt laws
[23:10] <philipballew> *and
[23:11] <philipballew> but thats just me growing up in ca all my life and having something opposite
[23:11] <philipballew> its a different place there
[23:11] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/images/maine/park4.jpg is from the park across the street from where I grew up
[23:12] <pleia2> I practically lived at that park as a kid
[23:12] <philipballew> THats a really good view
[23:12]  * MarkDude has a friend that lived in Hawaii for 7 years and does NOT know how to swim, 
[23:12] <MarkDude> thought that was pretty epic
[23:13] <MarkDude> She grew up in Cali also. Dont most of learn to swim when we are younger?
[23:13] <akk> That's really sad.
[23:13] <akk> I have known quite a few californians who couldn't swim.
[23:13] <philipballew> http://www.pointloma.edu/sites/default/files/imagecache/landing2_1col_banner/landing2_banner/wiley_0.jpg
[23:13] <MarkDude> It is. She apprently still went in water tho,
[23:14] <akk> It's apparently fairly common in low income/black/hispanic backgrounds.
[23:14] <pleia2> I love water, so learning how to swim was pretty much required
[23:14] <philipballew> ^where I live as well currently
[23:14] <akk> (no easy pool access)
[23:14] <philipballew> do you go swimming now ever pleia2 ?
[23:14] <pleia2> philipballew: nice!
[23:14] <pleia2> well, not in the ocean :)
[23:14] <MarkDude> How often does Maine get really hot?
[23:14] <pleia2> but we travel enough to hotels with pools
[23:15] <pleia2> MarkDude: about one week per year it'll get up in the the 90s for a few days
[23:15] <MarkDude> pleia2: lies, I heard she surfs at Half Moon Bay frequently
[23:15] <MarkDude> :D
[23:15] <pleia2> but the rest of the time it's in the 70s and low 80s in the summer
[23:15] <pleia2> oh yeah, that's me, surfer extraordinaire
[23:15] <pleia2> :P
[23:15] <MarkDude> Lyz and great white sharks
[23:15] <pleia2> sharks are awesome
[23:16] <MarkDude> well awesome at distance
[23:16] <pleia2> or behind glass :)
[23:16] <MarkDude> up close I imagine they could kinda suck
[23:16] <pleia2> sharks in aquariums are fun!
[23:16] <akk> or in documentaries
[23:16] <MarkDude> yes
[23:16] <seidos> worse, they could kinda' bite
[23:16] <philipballew> haha, if your ever in sd ill show you good beaches
[23:17] <akk> philipballew: Bay area ocean water is MUCH colder than LA/SD.
[23:17] <akk> that current coming down from Alaska
[23:17] <seidos> i saw some surfers coming out of the beach when i was last in SF
[23:17]  * MarkDude heard mark S has a sharktank under his desk, and he can push a button to drop people from seat into it (like james Bond villain) 
[23:17] <seidos> wetsuits, of course
[23:17] <MarkDude> Even Venice beach was pretty cold
[23:18] <seidos> MarkDude: that's scary.  if Mark S is villain, then who's Bond?
[23:18] <MarkDude> SD really has nice water with suits not normally needed
[23:18] <iheartubuntu> NH is nice!
[23:18] <MarkDude> well, not that he is is bad guy
[23:18] <seidos> the water is cold here, it's been warm once or twice that i've been
[23:18] <seidos> interestingly, the water cleared up when it warmed up too
[23:18] <MarkDude> more that just having options is a rich persons pleasure
[23:19] <seidos> Stallman...Richard Stallman
[23:19] <pleia2> MarkDude: I think you're projecting, YOU want a shark tank under your desk :)
[23:19] <seidos> it kind of works
[23:19]  * MarkDude is sure you would settle more for spring powered ejection seat if you had much money seidos 
[23:19] <MarkDude> Not that part Lyz
[23:19] <seidos> i would want a trap door at starbucks
[23:19] <seidos> nobody ever visits me here :P
[23:19] <iheartubuntu> Ive not been to maine though. mostly VT and NH
[23:20] <MarkDude> But the joke I have about Mark S having his own military with Ubuntu logos on their jumpsuits and also jetpacks
[23:20] <seidos> never been to Maine here either.  MD and D.C.'s about it
[23:20] <MarkDude> that is for sure projection on my part
[23:21] <MarkDude> :D. It is one of the reasons I respect him so much. To have ALL that money, and not just be selfish, but to create sumthin like Ubuntu is VERY cool
[23:21]  * MarkDude thinks most of us would think we would do similar, but, may not if actually given the chance
[23:22] <seidos> i'd probably spend all the money and end up penniless
[23:22] <seidos> or, have $6
[23:22] <MarkDude> Since the dude had enough money to buy island, and leave society
[23:22] <MarkDude> I could see you doing that seidos
[23:23] <MarkDude> $ is passing
[23:23] <seidos> probably wouldn't be so bad if i spent it on the right things/orgs/people :P
[23:24] <seidos> ironically, not 4 years ago i couldn't see myself doing something like that
[23:24] <jyo> Dean Kamen (Segway dude) actually bought an island.
[23:25] <seidos> and died?
[23:28] <seidos> nope, different guy
[23:29] <iheartubuntu> you wont be able to dumpster dive if youre the only person on the island though
[23:29] <MarkDude> Well seidos - growth happens
[23:31]  * MarkDude was able to get thru that segway dude dying without making comments about irony
[23:31] <MarkDude> shall continue to do so now (not easy tho.)
[23:31] <iheartubuntu> thanks all for the help today!
[23:32]  * MarkDude will look to see if I have old school modem
[23:32] <MarkDude> btw iheartubuntu , the seeds i got from you have turned out epic
[23:32] <MarkDude> tomoatoes were great. I kept one, gave to 2 other friends
[23:35] <iheartubuntu> wow awesome! my tomatoes are slow this year. maybe i started them too late
[23:35] <iheartubuntu> then again they are all in wine barrels now and not in the ground
[23:36] <akk> Where do you get wine barrels?
[23:36] <MarkDude> Napa
[23:36] <MarkDude> ;)
[23:37] <MarkDude> I have mine in 5 gallon container, and have bottom 20% in ground, they really like that