[00:00] <rmg51> jedijf: care to explain why 3 laptops with Nvidia cards aren't using the drivers?
[00:03] <jedijf> google can, try nvidia model and unity, i am sure others have had similar issues
[00:04] <jedijf> it may be resolved automagically in a month anyway
[00:04] <rmg51> that is what I am waiting for
[00:05] <rmg51> but for me it goes deeper
[00:05] <rmg51> I don't like the lose of function on the top panel
[00:05] <jedijf> some stuff uses it...dropbox does
[00:05] <rmg51> I have apps I like to run but they don't work in Unity
[00:06] <jedijf> i guess that depends on the devs...but 11.10 catchup(by devs) may be better
[00:06] <jedijf> like i said, if unity isn't your or your computers bag, time to try other wm's and de's...you may find you soulmate desktop
[00:08] <rmg51> right now Gnome
[02:19] <MutantTurkey> still debating on what laptop to get....
[02:19] <MutantTurkey> :|
[02:19] <MutantTurkey> Adom: that's FING right, unity is crap.
[02:20] <MutantTurkey> Adom: but if you don't like unity, gnome3 isn't much better.
[03:30] <Adom> ive always been a fan of gnome2. sad that eventually it'll be dropped and ill be forced to use gnome3 or unity. because im not a kde guy.
[03:31] <Adom> then again, i could always try out awesome2 finally...hmmm that sounds kinda nice.
[09:32] <rmg51> Morning
[09:40] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:40] <JonathanD> urg, I'm late
[09:42] <rmg51> hi late
[09:42] <JonathanD> Hello rmg51
[09:43] <JonathanD> How did everything go saturday?
[09:43] <JonathanD> I might as well have stayed, we didn't end up going until almost 4 :/
[10:01] <rmg51> it went well
[10:02] <rmg51> seems there was a bad file so the demo of the printer at the main meeting didn't go well
[10:03] <rmg51> but after the main meeting during the linux sig things went well
[11:30] <waltman> Mornin', ye scurvy dogs.
[11:52] <erstazi> waltman: morning
[11:53] <erstazi> Adom: holla!
[11:54] <jedijf> holla is hip hop pirate speak?
[11:55] <waltman> 'Holla' is what pirates say when they sail the Spanish Main!
[12:09] <teddy-dbear> morning
[13:50] <InHisName> Late good morning to you all !
[13:56] <jthan> Morning!
[14:03] <teddy-dbear> o/
[14:18] <jthan> InHisName: you make any progress with your computer?
[14:42] <InHisName> Just starting this morning.
[14:42] <InHisName> When I 'tar' up /home, is there a way to tell it to use a networked destination ?
[14:43] <ChinnoDog> mount the network destination before you tar?
[14:43] <InHisName> Looks like default will include any mount points below /home.   What about 'links' does default include contents of links also.?
[14:43] <ChinnoDog> Unless you are going to tar over netcat.
[14:44] <ChinnoDog> You can tell it not to tar other file systems, which includes all mount points
[14:45] <InHisName> ChinnoDog: do I mount with mount command to a 'local' path when you say mount network destination?
[14:45] <ChinnoDog> yes
[14:45] <ChinnoDog> Mount the remote file system somewhere
[14:46] <ChinnoDog> and then go to that dir and: tar cfp - --one-file-system ./ | (cd /network_file_system; tar xvfp -)
[14:46] <ChinnoDog> s/that dir/the directory you are archiving/
[14:47] <InHisName> I've not mounted network before:    I usually do:   sudo mount /dev/sdd6 /mnt/bignoiseydrive
[14:47] <ChinnoDog> What type of share are you mounting?
[14:47] <InHisName> samba, I think
[14:48] <InHisName> Its two ubuntu machines
[14:50] <ChinnoDog> then it would be something like mount -t cifs //computer/share /mnt/networkdir -o "username=ihn,domain=mydomain,password=ubuntu"
[14:50] <JonathanD> 249
[14:50] <ChinnoDog> I think JonathanD just posted an error code
[14:50] <JonathanD> heh :)
[14:51] <ChinnoDog> tail /var/log/JonathanD.log
[14:53] <InHisName> Not sure if I defined a 'mydomain' on the remote machine.
[14:58] <ChinnoDog> If you are using samba you have to have some domain name. By default it is probably the hostname.
[14:58] <InHisName> I have mounted /dev/sdc1  in lvm as /dev/mapper/vg03-lv03  at /home/rich/.VirtualBox/HardDisks/    do I need to UNmount this first or can I leave it mounted ?    When I mount it to another machine via network ?
[14:58] <InHisName> ok, I have a hostname
[14:59] <ChinnoDog> If you use --one-file-system then it doesn't matter. Tar won't follow links into other file systems.
[15:00] <InHisName> I have only one file system on source machine.  Not issue today.
[15:00] <ChinnoDog> Your mounted disk in the HardDisks folder counts as another file system
[15:00] <InHisName> It's mounted at /
[15:00] <InHisName> The networked system has lots of mounts.
[15:00] <ChinnoDog> So does the fake file systems like /proc
[15:01] <ChinnoDog> If you want it to archive your hard disk and every network drive that is mounted in the child directories then don't use --one-filesystem. If you only want to archive files from the local disk then use --one-file-system
[15:02] <InHisName> I have a 'little' machine with one lvm file system.  One mount point /.   I want to back up /home while I rebuild the simple machine.  Then put it back.
[15:03] <InHisName> The temp storage machine is on network.  It has lots room at /home/rich/.VirtualBox/HardDisks/   also a mount point on sophisticated machine.
[15:05] <InHisName> du reports approx 72Gb for /home       destination has approx 375Gb free.
[15:09] <InHisName> Using hostname for computer and my domain,    Here is what I have  so far:       mount -t cifs //ubuntu/share /mnt/networkdir -o "username=rich,domain=ubuntu,password=mypassord"
[15:11] <InHisName> am I mounting the remote machine's root /  at /mnt/networkdir    ?
[15:14] <InHisName1> Now I am connected thru the machine to backup and rebuild.
[15:14] <rmg51> wow, you command line people sure like to complicate things :P
[15:21] <InHisName> Just Sat you all were saying gui is NOT good enough to back up /home to some place.  Need to tar or something.   NO drag-drop for this.
[15:27] <rmg51> Teddy found the way to do it
[15:27] <rmg51> open home
[15:27] <jedijf> document it, teddy can present next month at pacs
[15:28] <rmg51> look above the files listed
[15:28] <rmg51> you should see the nav bar with the path
[15:29] <rmg51> right click on your user name
[15:29] <rmg51> click copy
[15:30] <rmg51> I would just use an external hard drive
[15:30] <rmg51> then just paste to external
[15:41] <InHisName> Hrmmmm
[15:47] <rmg51> teddy bear simple :-D
[15:47] <InHisName> the gui seems to be having issues.  May need to stay with command line so I can get a good full copy done in one go.
[15:48] <InHisName> Looks like I need to reboot to get gui access again.
[15:59] <InHisName> CIFS VFS cifs_mount failed w/return code=-22
[16:00] <InHisName> I went with recovery mode, sticking with command line for now.    Got an error.
[16:08] <Adom> Afternoon.
[16:09] <TheEvilPhoenix> LIES
[16:09] <TheEvilPhoenix> IT IS NOT "AFTERNOON"
[16:09] <TheEvilPhoenix> IT IS LUNCH TIME!
[16:09] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[16:09] <ChinnoDog> It is 8 minutes past noon. It is after noon.
[16:10] <Adom> ^
[16:10]  * TheEvilPhoenix slaps ChinnoDog and Adom
[16:10] <TheEvilPhoenix> not owhen you're a college student it isnt :P
[16:10] <Adom> when you're a college administrator, it is
[16:11] <ChinnoDog> Time flows differently for college students?
[16:11] <Adom> or rather, a sysadmin *for* a college
[16:11] <TheEvilPhoenix> ChinnoDog:  for me, yes.  for my room mate, yes.  for my suitemates, yes.  for the rest of campus, nfc
[16:11] <ChinnoDog> I'm pretty sure even college students are subject to the laws of physics. And since at any one place it can only be before or after 12pm and afternoon is the state of it being after 12pm, it would have to be afternoon
[16:12] <TheEvilPhoenix> ChinnoDog:  except that our clocks are tuned differently...
[16:12] <TheEvilPhoenix> right now the time is "PRE-EXAM FOOD INTAKE" for me
[16:12] <InHisName> It's afternoon here by my clocks too.
[16:12] <TheEvilPhoenix> after this is "EXAM #1, 2hr", then "Lecture, 2hr", then "Midterm Exam, 1.67 hr"
[16:12] <InHisName> EDT what zone are U, TheEvilPhoenix
[16:13] <TheEvilPhoenix> InHisName:  eastern us
[16:13] <TheEvilPhoenix> however...
[16:13] <TheEvilPhoenix> i dont use standard time for calculating what happens during the day
[16:13] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[16:15]  * Adom cleaned his work desk and is very pleased with the increase in feung shway-ism.
[16:15] <InHisName> TheEvilPhoenix forgot to spring ahead his clocks back in Feb was it?  to add daylight time adjust.  So you must think it is still only 11:16am instead of 12:16pm.
[16:16] <TheEvilPhoenix> InHisName:  no, actually i'm on a 26-hours-a-day internal clock cycle somehow :/
[16:18] <ChinnoDog> Using a different clock doesn't change the flow of time.
[16:19] <TheEvilPhoenix> given the 26-hours-a-day, its not yet the afternoon, so meh :P
[16:19] <Adom> whenever I agree to watch Gilmore Girls with my gf, time seems to slow down to a crawl. why is that?
[16:19] <ChinnoDog> If you were using a 26 hour clock then noon would be 13:00 which would have passed 18 earth minutes ago
[16:20] <ChinnoDog> lol Adom
[16:20] <TheEvilPhoenix> you assume the 26-hours are compressed into the 24-hour period of time
[16:21]  * TheEvilPhoenix MAY have had a tad too much coffee :P
[16:54] <InHisName> A few changes later, I have:       mount -t ext4 //ubuntu/share /mnt/networkdir -o "username=rich,domain=ubuntu,password=mypassord"
[16:54] <InHisName> mount: special device //ubuntu/share does not exist.
[16:56] <InHisName> I have also tried //ubuntu/home   //ubuntu/home/rich/.VirtualBox/HardDrives    but they all have same answer  ......does not exist
[16:56] <ChinnoDog> Network shares are not ext4
[16:57] <ChinnoDog> It is exposed through the remote file system. That is the file system you need to mount. If it is samba then you can use the smb or cifs driver. cifs is newer.
[16:58] <InHisName> I'll try those two....
[16:59] <InHisName> CIFS VFS cifs_mount failed w/return code=-22
[16:59] <InHisName> trying the other
[16:59] <InHisName> unknown file system type 'smb'
[17:36] <InHisName> looking in:   man 8 mount.cifs for more hints
[17:36] <InHisName> No clue for return code=-22
[17:49] <jedijf> real busy with work, but i think i saw lvm mentioned ...that's your problem....mount /dev/volgroup yada yada yada ...look into that
[17:53] <InHisName> cifs and smb go thru the network, not real sure if /dev/volgroup/etc can travel thru network or not.
[18:21] <InHisName> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem/TAR   is site that helped get a working command.
[18:21] <InHisName> on destination:  nc -l 029 > backup.tar.gz
[18:22] <InHisName> On origin: tar -cpvz /home | nc -q 0 192.168.101.106 1029
[18:23] <InHisName> is producing copy-ing going on.
[18:23] <InHisName> Unfortunately I am in gui in terminal window, so may hang.  We'll see.   Only 72 Gigs.
[18:34] <InHisName> gui hung at 2.4 gigs.   Restarted in recovery mode.  Seems to be working there in command mode just fine.
[18:37] <InHisName> which should go first:  the items apt-get after install or put back /home dir ?
[18:38] <InHisName> Must be several dozen stuff put on by synaptic or apt-get since install.  Will my settings stay unmolested if I put /home in first ?
[19:23] <InHisName> Sorta new topic:   How to keep record of all ADDED software, i.e. from synaptic, aptitude, and apt-get ?  Or the whole installed list. Then I can add back in what I want to.
[19:28] <rmg51> in synaptic you can click on status and see everything that is installed
[19:29] <rmg51> not sure if you can print the list
[19:30] <rmg51> software center lets you do the same
[19:32] <InHisName> Rather than print > tofile.txt
[19:33] <rmg51> if you know the answer why ask the question?
[19:36] <InHisName> that's not good enough syntax.
[19:52] <InHisName> dpkg --get-selections > installedstuff.txt
[19:52] <InHisName> 3056 items
[19:52] <InHisName> in big computer.   Little one should be smaller.
[19:54] <InHisName> uggh 2585 lines
[20:04] <InHisName> Ohhh, can use dpkg to import the list and install all, NIFTY !
[20:15] <MutantTurkey> [Do/
[20:17] <InHisName> Umm, MutantTurkey what was that ?
[21:14] <rmg51> stupid Comcast
[21:15] <rmg51> can't connect to Comcast tonight
[21:15] <rmg51> had to go with Clear
[21:17] <InHisName> Awwwww
[21:20] <rmg51> at least all my computers work ;-)
[21:22] <jedijf> oooooh
[21:24] <rmg51> now all I have to do is remember to take Clear with me in the morning :P
[21:24] <rmg51> I really don't want to call Comcast :P:P:P
[21:25] <rmg51> time to find some dinner
[21:29] <jedijf> i think i'm hitting qdoba on way home
[21:29] <jedijf> starving
[22:24] <rmg51> that's better